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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:57:00 -
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My corp is at war with a corp called Blood Sweat and Tears,
They are a dedicated PVP corp, who war decs corps for ransom cash, or Protection money or disbandedment.
Now while my war with them is ongoing, I come to ask how likely these corps will keep their word.
From my personal experience , they technically do. Example: Promises Corp X withdraws the war for 10 isk, creates corp y and keep the war going. Kept their word in all technicality.
All members in my corp agree we will not pay up the 500 million isk they are asking for.
They went through the usual I am different from all the previous corps that attacked us, we honor our word, we can even show you pass contacts, etc etc.
I have caught their members lie to me already once, and their ceo does not reinforce the image that he is honorable. He also seems to lack some control over his members. He said no smack talk, but his guys do such things still.
How would a corp like this prove themselves, because while they have failed to live up to expectations on these small things, how could one possible trust them on the big thing?
They feel we are a rich fat cow, worth milking, but the truth is we are not. This is a Leadership and Management corp, I spend my time training people, not making isk.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:59:00 -
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Either hire mercs or the A-Team. Or fight them or not. Not much else you can do really.
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:02:00 -
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I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word. -----------
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Irrilian
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:03:00 -
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You might find this a useful read: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defence.
Get organised, get voice coms, use cheaply outfitted frigs and cruisers etc, go heavy on the ew (they really wont like it and its a great equalizer) and start blowing up their expensive toys. They may briefly rally, but keep up the pressure and they'll probably quietly slink off.
PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Irrilian
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word.
If you mark yourself out as a sheep, be prepared to be shorn regularly. If you pay up then they will be back in some form or another eventually asking for more ISK. Even if its just an ex member who's joined some other corp and has told them about likely targets to shake down.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Irrilian
Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word.
If you mark yourself out as a sheep, be prepared to be shorn regularly. If you pay up then they will be back in some form or another eventually asking for more ISK. Even if its just an ex member who's joined some other corp and has told them about likely targets to shake down.
Irrilian is right. Even if you can trust them (maybe you can, I don't know, never heard of them before), word will get out you're an easy target if you pay.
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Sonos SAGD
Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:14:00 -
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well your options are
1. pay up 2. hide in the station until they get bored 3. fight 4. hire your own mercs 5. make some alts to move your stuff and find a new system
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:16:00 -
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I would hire mercs if i was you, but then again i am a little biased=)
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:16:00 -
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We are fighting, we are not weaklings, but we are not super pvpers either.
I rather they blow up 500 million isk in equipement then pay them the 500 million isk. -----------
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Irrilian
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Either hire mercs or the A-Team.
Ive often thought that something along those lines would be a great use of an alliance as a tool. They could keep an eye on whats going on and when some new/starter corp gets war dec'ed invite them temporarily into the "a-team" alliance to help them fight back against the aggressor.
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Irrilian
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: evistin We are fighting, we are not weaklings, but we are not super pvpers either.
I rather they blow up 500 million isk in equipement then pay them the 500 million isk.
Good for you! Good hunting.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: evistin We are fighting, we are not weaklings, but we are not super pvpers either.
I rather they blow up 500 million isk in equipement then pay them the 500 million isk.
Pride is expensive it seems.
I know blood sweat and tears they are nice guys. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -ISD Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!? |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/01/2007 15:23:59 If you pay you have no guarantee that next week the next corp doesn't war decs you, no matter if this corp keeps their word. I wouldn't pay. If the only way to avoid destruction of your corp is to pay whenever some an pvp-experienced corp asks for money, then something it obviously wrong. That can't be the way to go. ______________ *need new sig* |
Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:49:00 -
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id say laugh at their request. then do ur best to cause them, or at leasat one of their members, some serious financial losses. Alot of empire griefer corps seem to fly pretty expensive ships to do their griefing in. cause enough damage n theyll retract, specially if u do it in inferior T1 ships.
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Archilies
Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:50:00 -
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join an alliance
Recruitment Thread
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:55:00 -
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If you're wondering if there's a way to prove that they are trustworthy, there's no other way to find out than to pay them and see.
So if you're willing to fork over the 500 mil to them, do the following: Have a convo with the CEO, and fraps/take screenshots with the deal you make. Make sure you mention that you never want to be war dec'd by them again in any form, or something concrete like that.
If they don't lift the war dec, name and shame here, and I'm sure someone will do a charity war dec for you to get them off your back. Well, you can hope anyway.
My guess is that they will probably leave you alone. It won't do good for their reputation to go back on a deal like that, and you'll give them the confidence of thinking that others will follow suit. All that being said, unless you're losing tons of isk by keeping this war going, it's probably not worth 500 mil. Just have your guys spread out to different regions for a few weeks, they'll get bored and move on.
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Shyalud
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:27:00 -
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If you pay a ransom to get out of the war, expect a lot more war declarations in the future....
Originally by: Jules The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: kublai on 19/01/2007 16:25:02
Originally by: evistin Edited by: evistin on 19/01/2007 15:15:07 Edited by: evistin on 19/01/2007 15:14:44 My corp is at war with a corp called Blood Sweat and Tears,
They are a dedicated PVP corp, who war decs corps for ransom cash, or Protection money or disbandedment.
Now while my war with them is ongoing, I come to ask how likely these corps will keep their word.
From my personal experience , they technically do. Example: Promises Corp X withdraws the war for 10 isk, creates corp y and keep the war going. Kept their word in all technicality.
All members in my corp agree we will not pay up the 500 million isk they are asking for.
They went through the usual I am different from all the previous corps that attacked us, we honor our word, we can even show you pass contacts, etc etc.
I have caught their members lie to me already once, and their ceo does not reinforce the image that he is honorable. He also seems to lack some control over his members. He said no smack talk, but his guys do such things still.
How do I know this Corp can be trusted?
As I know the people you're talking about here, let me break it down for you.
1. They will let you go after you pay 2. They will not destroy 500 million in loot, they will destroy ALOT more 3. Your corporation cannot fight back without mercenary help 4. No really, a self defence guide won't help against them 5. You will haveto pay well over 1 billion to have anyone with brains war decc them, and it will require a small capital fleet deployment <--expensive
Hope i've been a help, do yourselves a favour and cough up the ISK
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:36:00 -
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Join a large alliance and watch the wardec vanish in a week or so.
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word.
Hi, They can not....
Don't fall for them, there are multiple options for you, like involving one or all of the following: mercs, pvp freaks, friends, simpathizers, business partners. Joining an alliance... Fighting them back and making them stay docked.
>> JOIN CAGE <<
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:42:00 -
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When you pay once, word will get out that you are an easy target and other corps like them will war-dec you, even if this corporation keeps their word and doesnt war-dec you ever again.
On the other hand, for 500m you can hire a small mercenary outfit, pay the Privateers for 250 weeks of war against them, or get a lot of Kestrels blown up while taking down their tech-2 ships. The only way for you to prevent this kind of stuff in the future is by establishing yourself as a hard target - ready to fight back or ready to call in mercs.
Furthermore, if your opponent has a POS as the previous poster suggests, you dont need to tear that down at all. Stick to destroying their ships over and over again. ---------- These are my views and mine alone. They do not represent the official stance of my corporation or alliance in any way.
Eskona Runningstar Eve University IVY League |
Nhi'Khuna
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:43:00 -
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Evistin,
They've wardecced us too and we intend to fight. Send me an evemail (or get your CEO to reply to mine) and we can organize a two pronged offensive.
We've got the muscle if you've got the numbers. We have extensive experience in pvp ops and I'd be happy to provide your pilots with training if need be.
Nhi'khuna http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4507/nhikhunasigcopyix3.jpg
Sig Linked. Please resize to keep it within the 400*120 pixel and 24,000 byte limit. E-mail us with any questions at [email protected]. -ReverendM |
kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar When you pay once, word will get out that you are an easy target and other corps like them will war-dec you, even if this corporation keeps their word and doesnt war-dec you ever again.
On the other hand, for 500m you can hire a small mercenary outfit, pay the Privateers for 250 weeks of war against them, or get a lot of Kestrels blown up while taking down their tech-2 ships. The only way for you to prevent this kind of stuff in the future is by establishing yourself as a hard target - ready to fight back or ready to call in mercs.
Furthermore, if your opponent has a POS as the previous poster suggests, you dont need to tear that down at all. Stick to destroying their ships over and over again.
I suggested they pirate in capital class ships, not that they had pos's.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:55:00 -
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I beleive "Blood Sweat and Tears" is treys Azagoths corp.In which case i'd say his word is probably good. ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: kublai (...) I suggested they pirate in capital class ships, not that they had pos's.
If that is the case it only is dangerous if the OP has a POS in a low-sec or 0.0 system. They cant move their capital ships to high sec.
If you have a POS in low-sec, either reinforce it with lots of hardeners and weapons and be ready with NOS battleships to defend, or just unanchor it until the war is over. ---------- These are my views and mine alone. They do not represent the official stance of my corporation or alliance in any way.
Eskona Runningstar Eve University IVY League |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:55:00 -
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Move to 00, problem solved. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar
Originally by: kublai (...) I suggested they pirate in capital class ships, not that they had pos's.
If that is the case it only is dangerous if the OP has a POS in a low-sec or 0.0 system. They cant move their capital ships to high sec.
If you have a POS in low-sec, either reinforce it with lots of hardeners and weapons and be ready with NOS battleships to defend, or just unanchor it until the war is over.
Which is why I was reffering to how it would make it slightly more difficult to hire merc's to steamroll them.
It means the merc's can't camp them into a station with shiny carriers like merc's love to do, as those shiny carriers will go *poof*.
They won't need capitals to beat up some newbies in high sec.
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 19/01/2007 17:04:32 Evistin, its a game...hold your ground and fight back, belive me you will get a hang of it in the end.
Better use your isk for yourselves..than feed some leechers ;)
I once had a sig...it deleted
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 19/01/2007 17:07:08 High-sec merc contracts are fairly cheap, and thats all that is needed to bolster the high-sec PvP capability of the corp. Its not about going out into low-sec or 0.0 to take out pirate capitals, its about letting them come into high-sec in their expensive ships and tearing them apart.
The point I made still stands, though: If you pay once, you will get more payment requests, either from the same people or from others - which makes it irrelevant if the current opponents are trustworthy or not. ---------- These are my views and mine alone. They do not represent the official stance of my corporation or alliance in any way.
Eskona Runningstar Eve University IVY League |
Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 19/01/2007 17:07:08 High-sec merc contracts are fairly cheap, and thats all that is needed to bolster the high-sec PvP capability of the corp. Its not about going out into low-sec or 0.0 to take out pirate capitals, its about letting them come into high-sec in their expensive ships and tearing them apart.
The point I made still stands, though: If you pay once, you will get more payment requests, either from the same people or from others - which makes it irrelevant if the current opponents are trustworthy or not.
QTF. Roll over once and your assumed to roll over time and again. While financially it maybe immediately adventageous to say "ok, here here's your money please let us mine in peace", eventually every entity in this game save for noob corpers need to step up and fight at one point or another. Looks like you've got friends who are in the same boat that are looking for a fight.
Here's a tip.
Maximize kills to losses. Take that other guy up on his PVP training if you guys have NFI what to do.
Listen, Follow orders, get on the same teamspeak, and ffs have fun. Empire wars can be a nice game of cat and mouse on small scale. _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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