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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:01:00 - [61] Yes they have withdrawn the ransom demand, and the logoffski was a false alarm, my guy misunderstood the tactic. ----------- Management and Leadership
Phoenix Mulderdart Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:39:00 - [62] Originally by: evistin oh we are fighting still. Excellent, keep them on their toes. If you would like any assistance please pop into the "Bar - Lancers" channel. We would be only too happy to help.
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:19:00 - [63] Honestly...You want them to go away and never come back? http://www.mercenarycoalition.com/main/contracts_form.asp You'd be suprised what 500mil might buy you
minkow chi	Posted - 2007.01.21 15:27:00 - [64] I would pay if you cant fight. Not everyone in the game is a crook. Some people still hold their word. It might work out for you in the future if you need help. You never know. But from the sounds of it your not going to be able to survive it on your own!!
Argors Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.21 18:24:00 - [65] Well lets see , lets play this out alittle and see where it leads. Lets say you do pay them the 500mil and they do stop. ok we have heard from alot of what should happen , ect , they won't tell if thier smart ( not likly IMO), then you well be sheep for ever more in anyones eyes that knows , and many well know , no dought about that. Pirates Love to brag about the things they have done. Next you do pay them the 500mil and they don't unhold thier word, are you realy going to come back and scream to the the 4 winds how this pirate corp ripped you off and are still killing you. You lost your 500mil, you lost your pride , you are losing the War and your going to tell everyone so that the pirate corp looks bad ? hmmmm don't think that plays the way pirates would like you to think it does. Can you imagen the posts you would see if you did that, i bet that would make you feel alot better about paying ? And i realy do fale to see how a pirate telling me that they think it SHOULD be ok is supose to make everything shiny , its just silly to think payment well solve your troubles. It could be the kiss of death. "For those who understand no explanation is needed, ...For those who don't none will do". - Jerry Lewis
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.21 18:34:00 - [66] Edited by: kublai on 21/01/2007 18:30:43 Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 19/01/2007 16:25:02 Originally by: evistin Edited by: evistin on 19/01/2007 15:15:07 Edited by: evistin on 19/01/2007 15:14:44 My corp is at war with a corp called Blood Sweat and Tears, They are a dedicated PVP corp, who war decs corps for ransom cash, or Protection money or disbandedment. Now while my war with them is ongoing, I come to ask how likely these corps will keep their word. From my personal experience , they technically do. Example: Promises Corp X withdraws the war for 10 isk, creates corp y and keep the war going. Kept their word in all technicality. All members in my corp agree we will not pay up the 500 million isk they are asking for. They went through the usual I am different from all the previous corps that attacked us, we honor our word, we can even show you pass contacts, etc etc. I have caught their members lie to me already once, and their ceo does not reinforce the image that he is honorable. He also seems to lack some control over his members. He said no smack talk, but his guys do such things still. How do I know this Corp can be trusted? As I know the people you're talking about here, let me break it down for you. 1. They will let you go after you pay 2. They will not destroy 500 million in loot, they will destroy ALOT more 3. Your corporation cannot fight back without mercenary help 4. No really, a self defence guide won't help against them 5. You will haveto pay well over 1 billion to have anyone with brains war decc them, and it will require a small capital fleet deployment <--expensive Hope i've been a help, do yourselves a favour and cough up the ISK Don't listen to this *******. He's obviously in league with them. Fight back or disband your corp. See how the griefers like that tactic. Damn, secret's out, TunDraGon is just an alt corp, Kublai is an alt.
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.21 23:03:00 - [67] Dont trust them. This is a game and nothing stops them from rip you off as many times as you fall into it. Just try to kill them or die trying. ---
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.22 00:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: evistin We are fighting, we are not weaklings, but we are not super pvpers either. I rather they blow up 500 million isk in equipement then pay them the 500 million isk. Pride is expensive it seems. I know blood sweat and tears they are nice guys. They're not nice guys if they are picking on industrial corps. They are nice guys when I'm not anywhere close to them. I should've rephrased that Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes. - Devil ([email protected])
dawood koplanski The Devil's Rejects	Posted - 2007.01.22 00:11:00 - [69] multiverse??? i thought you were into the war deccing weaker targets yourself
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.22 01:02:00 - [70] Considering I have run the corp from the start, we have yet to war dec any other corp. ----------- Management and Leadership
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.22 01:08:00 - [71] Originally by: dawood koplanski multiverse??? i thought you were into the war deccing weaker targets yourself I think you're confusing them with Multiversal Enterprises Inc, or some such. PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:18:00 - [72] evistin, contact me in game, I have some mates that have been bored off their ass and would love some more shooty shooty Ill get you in touch with them __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
oil University of Caille	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:18:00 - [73] dont pay them or the next wardeclaration is just waiting to happen if you show yourself as a milking cow. make their job as difficult as possible. think before undocking add all their known members to the adressbook, dont act stupid adjust overview to only show wartargets with color no panic autotargeting to zero make all corpomembers adjust acording to theese points and you will lose a lot less. if you have oportunity, try to fight with t1 cruisers and cheaper ships. use clones without implants for those actions but fight with a plan.
Zarch AlDain The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word. You can't. The fact is, pirates by their very nature are untrustworty. There may be elements within the corp that fancy themselves honorable pirates, but in the long run pirates or untameable. You can talk to one, but he can't keep a leash on the others. They will do what they want, with or without permission. I have been in this game nearly two year, and have yet to meet a group of pirates that are trustworty. Then you really need to look more closely. Est for example all keep our word, both as a corp and as individuals - and I can think of several other 'pirate' corps that also have honourable reputations. Zarch AlDain
Argors Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:16:00 - [75] Edited by: Argors on 22/01/2007 13:15:25 Edited by: Argors on 22/01/2007 13:13:32 Originally by: Zarch AlDain Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word. You can't. The fact is, pirates by their very nature are untrustworty. There may be elements within the corp that fancy themselves honorable pirates, but in the long run pirates or untameable. You can talk to one, but he can't keep a leash on the others. They will do what they want, with or without permission. I have been in this game nearly two year, and have yet to meet a group of pirates that are trustworty. Then you really need to look more closely. Est for example all keep our word, both as a corp and as individuals - and I can think of several other 'pirate' corps that also have honourable reputations. That makes me feel so much better about paying, A pirate telling me that they keep thier word. I gess i need to make a list i can check in the 10 secs i have to pay eh , make sure your a pirate i CAN trust before i pay. LOL Edit = post did funny things the first try "For those who understand no explanation is needed, ...For those who don't none will do". - Jerry Lewis
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.22 15:00:00 - [76] Just a word about how well words spread over bullies that a soft target's been found. About a year ago, an interesting thing happened to a bunch of friends. I had been asked to join a freighter escort from empire to close 0.0, was at around 9am local time for me, and I convinced my friends to postpone it until 10 (I'm a late sleeper) ... (I was a merc at that time) Logged in at 9:50 to learn that : - They had finally decided to reschedule it at 9am - They had taken the direct AP route and fallen into an ambush - They had their freighter ransomed, the ransom was worth paying to save the freighter, so they paid and left the system. I managed to reroute them on their way back to avoid known pirate nests, and we thought the incident over. surprisingly, a week later, they got wardecced by 2, then 3 empire thug corpos, asking for ransoms. Took a few weeks and involved 2 merc corps to get rid of the trouble. coincidence? Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.22 15:45:00 - [77] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 22/01/2007 15:43:50 Originally by: evistin Edited by: evistin on 20/01/2007 23:57:50 Yes they have withdrawn the ransom demand, and the logoffski was a false alarm, my guy misunderstood the tactic. oh we are fighting still. Evistin--salute and keep fighting (and having fun doing so!). It is ever so refreshing to see this sort of class versus the usual whining...please keep us posted on how you fare p.s. Regardless of the outcome-perhaps the folks who attacked you would see your corp's spirit and offer a bit of training in return for the pew-pwe action?
Volar Kang Gallente General Miners	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:00:00 - [78] I do respect your decision to fight them and as long as the game is still fun thats alright. If you start taking heavy losses or these jokers start taking the fun out of the game then do what we did when they war-dec'ed us. We just changed the CEO to an alt and everyone dropped from the corp. We all still mined together, still hung out in chat together and still posted on our website forums. It didnt effect us other than no corp isk for missions for a little bit. We told BST what we did and they dropped the war-dec a day later. They dont want to pay millions a week for nothing. Then we all just rejoined the corp when it was safe. If they take the fun out of the game for you then do the same to them and make them pay to war-dec empty corps.
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:10:00 - [79] Dont pay any corp anything, if you do this you might aswell disband your corp now because you've failed. If you can't fight or hire mercs, either ignore them, move to 0.0 or join an alliance. Alternatively, find yourself another griefer corp to fight for you, a few will do it for free if you can provide them with real targets ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:29:00 - [80] Never give in, if you do....you're dead already. Either use the 500mil to hire mercs, or if you have friends in another corp get them to wardec and help in the fight. The gentleman in this thread that has offered help in tactics would be a good resource. You might even find a handful of guys to join your corp and help with the fighting. In one of my first corps we had someone do this, and you would be amazed in some of the things that we learned. Keep you head high m8!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:59:00 - [81] So are you guys winning your engagements? Don't get me wrong, I am rooting for you guys, but you should reconsider your strategy if you're not winning at least some of your engagements. You're risking demoralizing your corporation which could lead to disbandment, and you'd be better off not fighting at all if that's the case.
Argors Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:42:00 - [82] it is great that you are fighting back aye , and thier are points were other options come in , you don't want to just feed them the 500mill in your ships, you want them to screw off. Ransom is never one of those option , why would you when thier are so many other ways to wreak thier party. My Point of view on the whole ransom thing is simple realy ,from when i was a noob i learned that eve is full of bad podders and good podders and no matter where or when you undock you better be ready to kiss it goodbye, If your flying a Faction ship and get caught then you got caught, you should already be ready for the lose, nothing can not be killed.This being sayed implants the whole deal your just going to paid. Well i gess some well the ones that think they were safe and could fly free and clear and have the isk asked fast enough and are lucky after they pay.No one likes to lose Bills in ships and mods and implants i never tryed to say they did , but when it comes down to it you should be ready for it. In that case some well always pay your ransom and some well never pay your ransom ever no matter what you say and how you ask. Posts here to talk about how to ransom , when to ransom , why you ransom , how to Ransom better are fine , just don't ask the question if you don't want to hear a answer that doesn't meet up with Pirate thinking. Why ask Here. This is not personal , its not smack , its not RL , Its the way Arg sees it and i would think alot of others, that can and well speak for themself. Its seams clear ingame and on the Forums Pirates don't like podders that stand up to them, unless you win thier respect by fighting back. Should it realy be any deffrent, if you what to change my mind give me a real reason to i just don't see that happening tho , i plan to win but i'am ready to die every time i undock. not to just Pirates mined you , how many times have you lost a shiny ship to other EVE hazards, even when(if) you get those back it could take weeks on end. If you play not ready to ever lose you make a shiny target. "For those who understand no explanation is needed, ...For those who don't none will do". - Jerry Lewis
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Originally by: Wwhisper Originally by: evistin I apologize, the question was how would a corp like this prove their trust that they would honor their word. You can't. The fact is, pirates by their very nature are untrustworty. There may be elements within the corp that fancy themselves honorable pirates, but in the long run pirates or untameable. You can talk to one, but he can't keep a leash on the others. They will do what they want, with or without permission. I have been in this game nearly two year, and have yet to meet a group of pirates that are trustworty. Then you really need to look more closely. Est for example all keep our word, both as a corp and as individuals - and I can think of several other 'pirate' corps that also have honourable reputations. Methinks people are confusing pirates and empire gankers mate. Empire gankers are mainly in it for the fun whereas pirates run along lots of motivations. Also I wish we didnt have such an honour creed somtimes :P Originally by: Thor Xian I use a named WCS called "Situational Awareness".
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.01.22 21:31:00 - [84] Imho, paying is not an option. As many said before, you'll look like a soft target and you'll wear a big "dec me" sign if you pay the ransom. Fighting is fun on the other hand, and you get to fight when they pay for the war going. Use this as a chance to train some PvP skills. Even if they outclass and outtech you you'll be surprised how much damage an organized group of T1 pilots can inflict on T2 gang. You'll need a good commander on TS, gang discipline and a fire concentration. Also, have as much intel as possible, there's never too much intel. You should know what's going on 2-3 systems away from where you are based or where you are fighting. If you are in high sec, you don't even need cov ops for intel. Use alts in n00b corps for that. Although cov ops are nice for tactical maneuvering. Target expensive ships 1-st, so, that even if you lose a battle (and you will most likely lose battles) you will take 1 or 2 expensive ships with you. Just be sure that your gang can finish them off before you're all killed. Command bc's for example have very tough tanks, but those are tactical decisions for your gang commander to take. GL in your war btw...

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