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Voxinian
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Posted - 2015.12.31 12:21:52 -
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Pix Severus wrote:
I would agree with this. If you aren't making at least 500m ISK per day running level 4 missions in highsec, you are doing something wrong. ]
*Depending on how much time you have to actually play the game, of course.
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You are basically saying, to play EVE (competitively) well you need to have no life and play EVE all day and every day. I don't make 500mil a day I can tell ya.. unless I have luck with loot drops. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2015.12.31 12:42:29 -
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Brokeback Tim wrote:Really good responses. So the main problem, if there is one, is there is no incentive for other players to stop it?
Not quite.
The people who are resourceful enough to (maybe) be able to "stop it" are the people who are resourceful enough to not be much/at all affected by ganking in the first place. Which means that it actually would be better for them to encourage ganking so that it negatively impacts their competitors even more. |
Memphis Baas
881
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Posted - 2015.12.31 12:51:16 -
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This thread is an advertisement for CODE / ganking, with a few people pointlessly trying to argue a counter-point "rationally." |
Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2015.12.31 12:58:33 -
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Voxinian wrote:Pix Severus wrote:
I would agree with this. If you aren't making at least 500m ISK per day running level 4 missions in highsec, you are doing something wrong. ]
*Depending on how much time you have to actually play the game, of course.
]
You are basically saying, to play EVE (competitively) well you need to have no life and play EVE all day and every day. I don't make 500mil a day I can tell ya.. unless I have luck with loot drops.
You are doing the burner missions too, right? If you have a few hours free after work in the evening, I see no reason why you couldn't hit those numbers.
My lord.
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.12.31 13:29:54 -
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Main trouble is not that you can't do anything. The problem is that victims don't do anything.
I looked at white knighting more than once. All the time it was ignorance what killed people.
Hell, I've seen one very funny Orca gank. It ultimately failed, with Orca leaving chewie wrecks at whole 30% structure. You know, DCII and bulkheads happened.
Why am I telling you this? Because it's a very good example how efforts of one man of protecting himself screwed up long waiting and coordination, as well as considerable ammount of ships and, most important, self-respect of the whole fleet. They trashed Orca pilot for half of the hour, lol. I think Orca instantly paid off it's price in the best currency GÇö fun. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2015.12.31 15:24:58 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brokeback Tim wrote:
You're ignoring my main point, though, in that it's risk-free for the ganker. The balance is all out of whack in that regard.
That's because it's not much of a point. They're risking their ships (guaranteeing their destruction, in fact). The fact that they've min/maxxed that to a pretty low cost is not as interesting as you would like to pretend. Smart haulers optimize similarly to limit their risk. You're seeing a bunch of stupid people get blown up and are trying to make that about something other than the stupid risk the victims failed to plan for.
The fact that the ships are extremely cheap and easy to get has removed this as a risk. The ships are now an acceptable loss because its extremely easy to just buy more due to how easy it is to make isk.
And due to how easy it is to fund this activity there is nothing other players can do to stop it. All they can do is delay the inevitable because no matter how many ships of theirs you destroy they just buy more and come back.
The is no down side to hi-sec ganking other than the time it takes to buy more ships and refit (assuming they don't have ships in place already), and then wait for another target. |
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.12.31 15:26:53 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Voxinian wrote:Pix Severus wrote:
I would agree with this. If you aren't making at least 500m ISK per day running level 4 missions in highsec, you are doing something wrong. ]
*Depending on how much time you have to actually play the game, of course.
]
You are basically saying, to play EVE (competitively) well you need to have no life and play EVE all day and every day. I don't make 500mil a day I can tell ya.. unless I have luck with loot drops. You are doing the burner missions too, right? If you have a few hours free after work in the evening, I see no reason why you couldn't hit those numbers.
Hitting those numbers requires several bling ships to cover all burner possibilities and a bling ship for regular 4s. Your choice in ships for the regular level 4 mission side of thing is limited by the requirement for high dps and speed (prop mod speed, warp speed, align speed). Blitzing with bling is the only way to make that kind of isk in 3 hours assuming you're including everything in that time quote and not just starting the timer once you're doing the first mission while excluding all the time you're doing maintenance related stuff which doesn't directly pay (setup/resupply/lp conversion stuff/etc). Blitzing limits the missions you can run too so you need to have Vs in all social related skills (standing/lp pay/ isk pay/etc). Bling clones are required too which further exposes you. There's a good amount of time needed to get a character up to the point where it can do such things. T2 weapons and such are required. The isk required to be invested in ships also presents a challenge for casuals starting up.
So what I'm saying is most people cannot make that kind of isk running 4s and data released by CCP confirms that. |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.12.31 15:32:43 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:
Hitting those numbers requires several bling ships to cover all burner possibilities and a bling ship for regular 4s.
Err, what? I'm pretty sured someone will feed you with polarized Mordus cancer and fistful of Machariels. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
2037
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Posted - 2015.12.31 15:38:47 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Suicide ganking is a nice risk free activity for the simple minded to keep themselves occupied. That's mining you're thinking of.
Kinete Jenius wrote:So what I'm saying is most people cannot make that kind of isk running 4s and data released by CCP confirms that. It's almost like people talking about how great they are on the internet exaggerate or something.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.12.31 15:39:24 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:
Hitting those numbers requires several bling ships to cover all burner possibilities and a bling ship for regular 4s.
Err, what? I'm pretty sured someone will feed you with polarized Mordus cancer and fistful of Machariels.
You're not doing burners in a Machariel. Burners are where the real isk is due to the inflated LP values.
With the recent nerfs to popular burner ships I'm not sure you can rely on only a couple to complete all burners anymore. |
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
57
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Posted - 2015.12.31 16:15:12 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're not doing burners in a Machariel. Burners are where the real isk is due to the inflated LP values.
With the recent nerfs to popular burner ships I'm not sure you can rely on only a couple to complete all burners anymore.
I haven't told you that Machariel is for burners. Original post mentioned both "bling ships" for burners and "bling ships" for regular yet good l4s. Can't really call ship a bling one if it costs less than 500m to settle, let alone 80. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1425
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Posted - 2015.12.31 17:19:35 -
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Syn Shi wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Brokeback Tim wrote:
You're ignoring my main point, though, in that it's risk-free for the ganker. The balance is all out of whack in that regard.
That's because it's not much of a point. They're risking their ships (guaranteeing their destruction, in fact). The fact that they've min/maxxed that to a pretty low cost is not as interesting as you would like to pretend. Smart haulers optimize similarly to limit their risk. You're seeing a bunch of stupid people get blown up and are trying to make that about something other than the stupid risk the victims failed to plan for. The fact that the ships are extremely cheap and easy to get has removed this as a risk. The ships are now an acceptable loss because its extremely easy to just buy more due to how easy it is to make isk.
So you're saying they didn't undock in something they couldn't afford to lose? Where have I heard that advice before?!?
100% of my losses are acceptable, regardless of what I'm doing. Maybe everything is too easy?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.12.31 19:49:39 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:
You're not doing burners in a Machariel. Burners are where the real isk is due to the inflated LP values.
With the recent nerfs to popular burner ships I'm not sure you can rely on only a couple to complete all burners anymore.
I haven't told you that Machariel is for burners. Original post mentioned both "bling ships" for burners and "bling ships" for regular yet good l4s. Can't really call ship a bling one if it costs less than 500m to settle, let alone 80.
To do +200m an hour the hull of the primary mission ship will cost more than 500m on its own.
The burner ships cost a lot more than 80m.
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