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Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:54:00 - [1] Hello! I am a new player to EVE, it is good to be here. I just want to give all the new player a heads up. It's a cruel cruel world. Scamming is completely authorized. As proven by my log posted here. Just be weary of anyone.. In fact, you probably should just not join a corp, because someone will use that to scam you. 810,000,000 ISK, gone, to the pockets of a person who would prey on the trust of others. [18:28:34] Sohili > hello [18:28:45] Covert Hauler > hello how may i help you [18:28:47] Sohili > I heard you are starting a POS somewhere? [18:29:00] Covert Hauler > yes :) [18:29:38] Covert Hauler > well when i get the isk to complete it i will be not far away [18:29:49] Sohili > Can you Eve-mail me with the plans please? I have about a billion to give as long as returns are planned [18:29:55] Sohili > how much you need? [18:30:09] Sohili > What corporation is running it? [18:31:21] Covert Hauler > LMTI will be supervising the POS, all going through this character as a bank and maintience for security. of course i can send you details [18:31:35] Sohili > Who's authorization? [18:31:48] Covert Hauler > mafesto [18:32:20] Sohili > Let me ask him here on vent. I briefly mentioned your plans to him, and he knew nothing of it. [18:32:24] Covert Hauler > can i ask where u heared about this POS. since it is only availale for private intestors [18:32:48] Sohili > <E-mail sent BY Covert Hauler to Me>2007.01.20 18:17 Please take a min to read the EULA, what i did wqas perfectly legal and scamming is apart of the game. By this is mean in the eula it states i cannot impersonate CCP, it says NOTHING about other players. I have asked ccp mysel... [18:32:52] Sohili > From my E-mail. [18:33:01] Covert Hauler > ;) yeah i know who u r [18:33:04] Covert Hauler > thougth id play allong [18:33:09] Sohili > So.. let's split the difference. [18:33:13] Covert Hauler > abit obvious when u in same corp isnt it [18:33:19] Covert Hauler > hmm how about no? [18:33:31] Sohili > Allrighty. Pleasure talking to you. Shortly after our discussion I recieve an E-mail: 2007.01.20 18:43 i will thank you. Earning isk this way to me is the same as piracy, operating within the game rules as a form of making isk. When a pirate earns isk he kills other players steeling his loot, the killed player looses his isk. This is no different the victim looses their isk, however i did not force you to give me the isk i did not threaten you. you decided to give me the isk of your own free will and i thank you for this. Please be known your isk wil be used to kill many innocent people with my newly funded carrier. I thank you for your investment in my character and hope to do business again in the future. -Covert Hauler 500 million was for a Blueprint Original of a Carrier. The other 310 was for the "investment." Just remember, the only trustworthy person is yourself. Corps will be used to scammer's advantage. I guess morals and ethics don't exist anymore.
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:06:00 - [2] New players don't have 810 million to lose. And it's just plain common sense that you wouldn't give almost a billion ISK to someone unless you knew them very very very well. Your log of proof there didn't really make any sense at all, but however you got scammed I'm sure it was 100% preventable had you done more research or just realized that if something sounds too good to be true, it is. Sorry for your loss, can I have your last 200m for an..um.. ammo depot please? -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Kylania New players don't have 810 million to lose. And it's just plain common sense that you wouldn't give almost a billion ISK to someone unless you knew them very very very well. Your log of proof there didn't really make any sense at all, but however you got scammed I'm sure it was 100% preventable had you done more research or just realized that if something sounds too good to be true, it is. Sorry for your loss, can I have your last 200m for an..um.. ammo depot please? I wasn't aware of the game mechanics. New players DO have that isk, when they want to hit the ground running. I purchased gametime cards, and sold them, within the CCP rules. You are right though. I was taken. I trusted that people wouldn't lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in this game.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/01/2007 19:12:39 Originally by: Sohili I trusted that people wouldn't lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in this game. Yeah, you are definently new to this game. :) Dont trust strangers. Eve is unique and interesting in that it doesnt hold your hand. You will grow to like it with time I think. This is the disadvantage of buying isk. You have the money a long term player might have, but none of the experience. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:17:00 - [5] You were scammed by a guy in the same corp! (forgive me if i've got it wrong) thats just damn... Scamming is legit in eve (99% cases) While i feel for each victim, there forum posts do feed the rabble. Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:20:00 - [6] I won't have time to grow to like it unfortunately. The bad taste in my mouth just won't wash away.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Sohili I won't have time to grow to like it unfortunately. The bad taste in my mouth just won't wash away. Yeah, Eve is not for everybody. Hope you like your next game better. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Trade Witch	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:21:00 - [8] IBTL Posting chat logs is a big forum no-no
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 20/01/2007 19:20:31 yeah, have to say it, but is pretty sad when the 1st impression to new players are: "Dont trust anyone, infact, most are out to get you, you are playing an online game where the chances of making "friends" are slim, where people will run off with your isk/whatever when they get the chance" (well kinda glad ISS havnt done that yet..) but hey, thats why I am in an npc corp and wont hand over anything to anyone just like that..... (yes, I been scammed as a newb too. but I got over it, became paranoid, and played on)
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Trade Witch IBTL Posting chat logs is a big forum no-no Wow.. Where are the "rules" for Eve? I look for a knowledgebase in-game and I get a chat channel with people talking about everything BUT the rules.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:27:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/01/2007 19:24:11 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 20/01/2007 19:20:31 yeah, have to say it, but is pretty sad when the 1st impression to new players are: "Dont trust anyone, infact, most are out to get you, you are playing an online game where the chances of making "friends" are slim, where people will run off with your isk/whatever when they get the chance" (well kinda glad ISS havnt done that yet..) but hey, thats why I am in an npc corp and wont hand over anything to anyone just like that..... (yes, I been scammed as a newb too. but I got over it, became paranoid, and played on) I dont know... I kind of like it in a strange way. Probably because its so unique to Eve, and there are so many other games out there that makes it impossible to be tricked by someone more clever than you. Im not a scammer myself, but I like the stuff that makes Eve special. Of course we do tend to get a lot of scammers and low lifes who prey on the weak, but it adds to the charm of the game that you arent protected from people who have no problem scamming others and sleeping fell at night. You cant rely on "the police" to guard your back, you have to start thinking for yourself. It makes the game very interesting. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:30:00 - [12] yeah, the same reason I played UO (and now eve) longer than most other games... left UO cause of too many kiddies looking to pwnt though... /tangent off argh, but yeah, is nice in a strange sort of way... kinda like rough sex... -- Today my drones attacked a brothel without even being told too. Either they objected to the establishment or they heard about the hot drinks machine in there... Yakumo
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:34:00 - [13] Ya see this is, IMO, the only good thing about EVE having become an RMT game now. When newbs pay real life money for in-game money... and promptly get scammed out of it. That makes me go all warm and tingly inside Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:34:00 - [14] I am not debating that it's my fault. Is there a TOS that I can read? Is impersonation of another player (Namely my CEO of my Corp) within the scope of the TOS?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/01/2007 19:31:35 Wait, you sold gametime cards for ISK and got yourself scammed? Its hard to feel sorry for you. Experience is very important in EVE, and trying to skip the learning process using GTCs is going to make things worse. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Asinia Au Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Sohili I won't have time to grow to like it unfortunately. The bad taste in my mouth just won't wash away. Sometimes first impressions can be bitter, yes. But that is the price to be paid for a game where you can do just about anything. Rather than leaving for good, now that you've had a taste, albiet a bad one, of EVE, why not go play something else for awhile. Maybe some day you will yearn for the freedom that makes EVE unique and come back to us. I am sure you will be welcomed!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Sohili I am not debating that it's my fault. Is there a TOS that I can read? Is impersonation of another player (Namely my CEO of my Corp) within the scope of the TOS? Right here. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:38:00 - [18] Thank you Jim.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Wait, you sold gametime cards for ISK and got yourself scammed? Its hard to feel sorry for you. Experience is very important in EVE, and trying to skip the learning process using GTCs is going to make things worse. No. CCP should do something when genuine new player experience is destroyed. 810M ISKs are a lot of GTC money and they are legally gained. What happened was plain new player griefing. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Vasiliyan on 20/01/2007 20:00:42 Originally by: Sohili In fact, you probably should just not join a corp, because someone will use that to scam you. Originally by: Sohili Just remember, the only trustworthy person is yourself. Corps will be used to scammer's advantage. Hmm.. in my experience reputable corps are very hard on scammers within their ranks, and are more trustworthy environments than NPC corps. There are quite a few people I'd trust with a deal of that size, most of whom are in my corp. However, it's not obvious to a new player what constitutes trustworthy and established. EVE could do with one of those FSA warnings: "the value of your investment may go down as well as up". Originally by: Jenny Spitfire No. CCP should do something when genuine new player experience is destroyed. 810M ISKs are a lot of GTC money and they are legally gained. What happened was plain new player griefing. Who are you and what have you done with the real Jenny?
Thaneal Swiftbird	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Apocryphai Ya see this is, IMO, the only good thing about EVE having become an RMT game now. When newbs pay real life money for in-game money... and promptly get scammed out of it. That makes me go all warm and tingly inside I would think twice about this. By officially making ISK¦s worth real money, at least the austrian and german legislation could provide a possibility to take legal actions against scammers in eve. It may be only a question of finding the right prosecutor. If something like this happens, CCP would have to react, by a) giving away personal data of the suspected offender and b) preventing further abuse. If they did not, their servers in London could be confiscated. Would you still get a warm tingling feeling if tranquility got shut down? With best regards Thaneal Swiftbird
Won Swunglow Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:10:00 - [22] EVE is not all bad, i've made friends in eve, that i would gladly lend billions to if they asked, as i no they would do the same. As with real life, there are scumbags, and very nice people indeed, you just have to be carefull untill you find a home.
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:23:00 - [23] It was a moment of absolute confusion, and trust in an alliance that I was defaulted into by joining some old friends, that I've gamed with for the better part of 4 years now in a corp. The "new-player" experience is one of absolute disregard for anything other then profit. CCP really just maintains the hardware. Yes. I purchased gametime cards with a website that CCP lists as "reputable." Yes, I used CCP's own rules to change these cards into ISK. Yes I was unwittingly tricked into handing the real-world equivalent of $116.97 to someone. Are they Liable? Have they made a conduit for people to lose real money? You are damn right they have. I have sold 4 gamecards, I have sacrificed a little in my real world, to dive, headfirst into this one. The dive was into a shallow pool. It's all a bit much right now. I guess, even though I've ALWAYS PvP'ed in every game that i've played.. This is something strange. That players are actually encouraged to lie, cheat, and seal. (I know that some people use the "Piracy" excuse to sell ISK to places like IGE.com). SO, Mr. Hauler, I hope you enjoy my $120.
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Vasiliyan Edited by: Vasiliyan on 20/01/2007 20:00:42 Hmm.. in my experience reputable corps are very hard on scammers within their ranks, and are more trustworthy environments than NPC corps. There are quite a few people I'd trust with a deal of that size, most of whom are in my corp. However, it's not obvious to a new player what constitutes trustworthy and established. Scammers, like this one, use Alternate characters in NPC corporations (That cannot be declared on) to hide. When I asked him who his main was his reply was, "yeah right, like I want to be camped all the time." There are some amazing people in this game. There are some not-so-amazing. I just ran into a not-so-amazing within my first few glimpses into what EVE-Online can really be, and it's ruined most everything I thought EVE could be for me.
Jamikest The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Sohili It was a moment of absolute confusion, and trust in an alliance that I was defaulted into by joining some old friends, that I've gamed with for the better part of 4 years now in a corp. The "new-player" experience is one of absolute disregard for anything other then profit. CCP really just maintains the hardware. Yes. I purchased gametime cards with a website that CCP lists as "reputable." Yes, I used CCP's own rules to change these cards into ISK. Yes I was unwittingly tricked into handing the real-world equivalent of $116.97 to someone. Are they Liable? Have they made a conduit for people to lose real money? You are damn right they have. I have sold 4 gamecards, I have sacrificed a little in my real world, to dive, headfirst into this one. The dive was into a shallow pool. It's all a bit much right now. I guess, even though I've ALWAYS PvP'ed in every game that i've played.. This is something strange. That players are actually encouraged to lie, cheat, and seal. (I know that some people use the "Piracy" excuse to sell ISK to places like IGE.com). SO, Mr. Hauler, I hope you enjoy my $120. I think many here can have sympathy for the new player getting scammed. The problem here is, you opted to use real world money to buy isk. Yes, you did it legally. Yes, most of us consider this a loop hole. I for one think what you did is only one step better than buying from an isk farmer. Wait, you probably did buy from an isk farmer. So what do you want here? You lost all sympathy for the predicament you are in when you used real money to buy fake game money. Sorry about your luck. No wait, I am not sorry about your luck, you reap what you sow. You feel what he did to you was paramount to cheating? I feel what you did was paramount to cheating. It took me 5 months in game to approach the kind of money you were willing to buy in one fair swipe of a credit card. Consider this lesson learned, and move on. Play EvE, dont play EvE. Whatever you choose, just learn from it.
Samuel Freedom	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Sohili I was taken. I trusted that people wouldn't lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in this game. Not just in this game but all over web when it comes to MMO's. Sorry for your loss, make some really good friends pref known irl, get to know them really really well then maybe work together.(but even then some people are low enough to scam you).
Sohili	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:36:00 - [27] THe CCP transactions are all there for the Gametime cards, which is sanctioned by CCP. I broke no rules, I follwed every step of their policies. I did NOT cheat, I did NOT break any rules. What I did was not wrong. By any definition of the word.
Zhecao Vai	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:39:00 - [28] For the record, there's very little that you can do in the game which would be "against the rules," unless you find some bizarre exploit. Guess you'll be more careful with how you spend your next hundred dollars.
Apocrypha Gnostromo	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Sohili It was a moment of absolute confusion, and trust in an alliance that I was defaulted into by joining some old friends, that I've gamed with for the better part of 4 years now in a corp. The "new-player" experience is one of absolute disregard for anything other then profit. CCP really just maintains the hardware. Yes. I purchased gametime cards with a website that CCP lists as "reputable." Yes, I used CCP's own rules to change these cards into ISK. Yes I was unwittingly tricked into handing the real-world equivalent of $116.97 to someone. Are they Liable? Have they made a conduit for people to lose real money? You are damn right they have. I have sold 4 gamecards, I have sacrificed a little in my real world, to dive, headfirst into this one. The dive was into a shallow pool. It's all a bit much right now. I guess, even though I've ALWAYS PvP'ed in every game that i've played.. This is something strange. That players are actually encouraged to lie, cheat, and seal. (I know that some people use the "Piracy" excuse to sell ISK to places like IGE.com). SO, Mr. Hauler, I hope you enjoy my $120. You know what they say about shortcuts, don't you? You're usually better off taking the long way around. In EVE that's especially true. TBH I don't know how you could've gotten the impression that EVE is anything other than 110% cutthroat. A couple of the scams and backstabbings that have taken place in EVE have even been written about in Wired. In fact, the cutthroat nature of this game is exactly what put it on the MMO map. Also, the whole "new player experience" thing doesn't really apply here. The "new player experience" is about the tutorial and newbie training complexes - that has nothing to do with dropping a hundred bucks to buy up GTCs/ISK. ______________ "They're planning an attack. It's like they're using our own jetcans to plan their attack."
Darth Bob Dark Excession	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Sohili THe CCP transactions are all there for the Gametime cards, which is sanctioned by CCP. I broke no rules, I follwed every step of their policies. I did NOT cheat, I did NOT break any rules. What I did was not wrong. By any definition of the word. And what he did was within the rules as well, nothing wrong with it. I fact, I think most ppl here have less trouble with scammers than gametime code sellers.

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