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InnerDrive
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:45:00 -
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Sign below if u agree with the following statement:
It shoud be impossible for people to log off inside a Warp Disrupt Probe (Interdictor Bubble) and warp away logged off like its not there.
I kept it simple but i think u all know what this is about and that it is in serious need of fixing, so letts get something going here that might get the devs attention!
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Marcus Alkhaar
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:49:00 -
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You shouldn't be able to log off, period!
Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character |
Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:54:00 -
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Imo, more important is that people get aggro timer when being aggroed while logged off.
Then the logout of bubbles wouldn't matter, you could just probe them.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:58:00 -
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This problem also makes it nearly impossible to kill a titan.
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Marcus Alkhaar
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.20 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 20/01/2007 19:59:41 as far as I've heard there is a 100% kill rate on the titans which have been engaged
Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character |
Killer Dragon
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.20 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 20/01/2007 19:59:41 as far as I've heard there is a 100% kill rate on the titans which have been engaged
hehe.
I agree though, logging out of bubble is rather retarded and should be fixed.
( No, Someone did not just log off out of my bubble ).
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.20 23:41:00 -
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/signed
But until they fix them, every time you see a bubble, log off. If enough people start doing it CCP will be forced to charge it once the complaining increases. They really do need fixed.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. |
Andreya
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:09:00 -
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/signed /signed /signed /signed /signed ... I trained for ages to use a damn bubble and dictor. and the things broken... while your at it PLEASE fix the fracking refire rate that was screwed up after revilations... with dictors 4, i NOW cannot shoot bubbles constantly. unless i keep autofire on which waste's way too many bubbles. when CCP changed the bubble times, they forgot to chance the refire times... plase fix this
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:13:00 -
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/signed,its just wrong to logoff especially if your the one looking for the fight in the first place,actually i just realised i had the chance to do that one thing and probably get away in my raven last night against a big gatecamp,really never crossed my mind because THATS A BUG,and using it should result in your ship spontenously combusting.
My poor poor monkey fist o' doom 2 __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. |
Evengard
Solar Dragons Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:24:00 -
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Welcome to the Warp Disrupt Probe Fan Club... I'm facing this problem for... let's say at least from the begging if Interdictor use. ___________________ Recon and Intercept |
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:55:00 -
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Well i don't logoff on purpose, altough i already CTD twice on camps, but I always reconnect imediately, and face the consequences, or try to escape (cloak ftw :P ).
A simple fix would be to increase the loggof timer if you are inside a bubble.
But something I would like a lot woudl be that the random position you are placed just after jump, be in a slighty bigger radius, iving you a small chance of being deployed outside teh bubble (if there is only 1).
No no loggoff warp if inside, but slight chance of jumping just outside of it. I think that could keep both sides happy :)
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Thelma Price
Royal Assassin's
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:32:00 -
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Give the bubbles a warp scrambling strength, so that it is possible to escape without logging if you have enough wcs ...
Right now bubble with a fast dictor = iWin agaist most ships bar the nanodomi/poons ... and you wonder that people log off rather than watch their ship die ?
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Imo, more important is that people get aggro timer when being aggroed while logged off.
Then the logout of bubbles wouldn't matter, you could just probe them.
yup, that would sort it out completely i think. keep it the same way now so if someone isn't in combat then they dissapear but if u get 1 **** off at them they get pvp timer.
DE
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Mar vel
Caldari H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.01.22 18:59:00 -
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For you Dictor pilots whining.... lol@ u.
u guys are just upset b/c you don;t have a 100% kill ratio? - 89% is making you that unhappy?
ctrl+q is THE ONLY MEANS for pilots to avoid the common 0.0 gate camp with dictor and *eyes* in the surrounding systems reporting ship type and pilots who jump in.
Might as well shoot fish in a barrel.
Dictor / Bubble / gate camping is NOT PvP. It's a sad excuse to terrorize your neighbors and act like the local bully.
How about asking CCP to balance dictors so that there's a defense against them? Sure, I could shoot your probe - maybe, but it's unlikely that I'd have time to do it before I re-cloned somewhere.
How about making it so that Pods can warp out of a Dictor bubble?
And you want to flame about ctrl+q? lol@u. go away.
Originally by: Thelma Price Give the bubbles a warp scrambling strength, so that it is possible to escape without logging if you have enough wcs ...
Right now bubble with a fast dictor = iWin agaist most ships bar the nanodomi/poons ... and you wonder that people log off rather than watch their ship die ?
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.22 19:02:00 -
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the only tricky thing with this issue ppl have to remember is that how often have u jumped through a gate to a massive gate camp with bubbles blinking all around you, drones everywhere etc and have been ctd'd because of it.
now i doubt this makes up for even 5% of the ppl who u see drop but it would make for some unhappy ppl and many more petitions if they didn't warp off.
i hate this problem i really do but this is an issue
DE
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.22 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 22/01/2007 19:03:03
Originally by: Mar vel For you Dictor pilots whining.... lol@ u.
u guys are just upset b/c you don;t have a 100% kill ratio? - 89% is making you that unhappy?
ctrl+q is THE ONLY MEANS for pilots to avoid the common 0.0 gate camp with dictor and *eyes* in the surrounding systems reporting ship type and pilots who jump in.
Might as well shoot fish in a barrel.
Dictor / Bubble / gate camping is NOT PvP. It's a sad excuse to terrorize your neighbors and act like the local bully.
How about asking CCP to balance dictors so that there's a defense against them? Sure, I could shoot your probe - maybe, but it's unlikely that I'd have time to do it before I re-cloned somewhere.
How about making it so that Pods can warp out of a Dictor bubble?
And you want to flame about ctrl+q? lol@u. go away.
Originally by: Thelma Price Give the bubbles a warp scrambling strength, so that it is possible to escape without logging if you have enough wcs ...
Right now bubble with a fast dictor = iWin agaist most ships bar the nanodomi/poons ... and you wonder that people log off rather than watch their ship die ?
pfft nooby talk ftl
get a frig while moving your crap, or get a corpmate/gang to scout for you if you want to travel large ships through space...
/edit: you do realise that logging off in anything bigger than a frig wont save you even without bubbles. We have instalocking stilleto's and sensorboosted lachesis/arazu for that... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.22 20:35:00 -
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The solution is simple, and has been suggested time and time again.
IF YOU LOG OFF IN SPACE, YOU WILL AUTOWARP OFF AND STAY IN SPACE FOR 15 MINUTES EVERY SINGLE TIME.
CTD during mission? No change.
Tired and just want to log for the night? No change.
RL calls you away in a hurry? No change.
Caught at in a bubble at a camp? Screwed if they have cov ops.
Raided hostile and now trapped? Screwed, plan better next time.
Want to log 200+ ships at a single pos? Screwed, should have had better logistics.
One little change would completely negate loggoffski if the other side has a good cov ops.
Nyxus
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. - Golan Trevize |
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.01.22 20:40:00 -
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logging off in space should make you warp 1au away and sit for 7 minutes (I think 15 is a bit long). You will not be able to be scanned using the system scanner (only probes). That way you don't have people coming into systems on random using the system scanner to see if they can find recently logged people. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.22 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mar vel
Dictor / Bubble / gate camping is NOT PvP. It's a sad excuse to terrorize your neighbors and act like the local bully.
What, you mean like going AFK in cloaked recons?
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Mar vel
Caldari H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.01.22 21:18:00 -
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No, that's not what I mean. TBH, there's not comparitive relevance to your statement. AFK Recons serve no offensive purpose. To be certain, there is *supposedly* probes coming that deal with this situation. - although how can a ship in defensive mode and AFK really pose a threat. Sorry - I don't see the relevance.
I like the idea of some of the previous posts re: logging and then being unable to re-engage - that to me sounds fair, but it hardly deals with the issue (as one noteable poster pointed out) of the cruiser-bs level ships that get insta-locked and popped. Rarely will you escape that situation in a large ship - very rarely.
There is no anthesis to a dictor gate camp from a module standpoint - and that's a pretty huge issue, imo.
So now we see that people are adapting - speed is the new defensive winner - also successful on the offensive side (to a lesser degree).
CCP: make a mod to balance the scenario so that dictors + camp on gate doesn't continue to be the i-win button it is. I would say that upwards of 60% of all of the ships I have lost in the last 6 months have been to dictor gate camps - and that's not just battleships, folks.
another option - make the dictor bubble's radius smaller, requiring either some *luck*, skilled placement, or multiple ships to engage in a dictor gate camp.
Either way, EVE 0.0 travel has become (basically) a series of buble gate camps that have to be negotiated. I'm wondering how this fits into the whole tactical game strategy, b/c imo, it just plain cheapens the game - like so many of the other game design flaws (read: exploitable content). With the advent of Large bubbles, no one will be able to travel anywhere outside of their current system/constellation/region without having a huge gang to stomp on the bubble camp gang - ofc someone will have to lose a few ships before that response takes place - but really, how does this improve game play or creating tactically stimulating game play?
Gate camping is not PvP, plain and simple. And if this game is going to boil down to dictor pilots and bubble camps, then a lot of people will be very bored, if not leave alltogether.
but you go ahead and get your uberpwnmobile in the Dictor jacked up even further so that no one can escape your bubble - that'll help tremendously.
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Mar vel
Dictor / Bubble / gate camping is NOT PvP. It's a sad excuse to terrorize your neighbors and act like the local bully.
What, you mean like going AFK in cloaked recons?
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Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.22 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mar vel stuff
Am I the only person extremely amused by a Goon complaining about people cheapening the game?
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Backdoor Betty
Forty Two
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Posted - 2007.01.22 21:53:00 -
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Simple solution:
Make entering the sphere of influence of a warp bubble activate the 15min timer, with the caveat that you are still able to jump and that jumping deactivates the timer again.
Seems like that would be a good solution to me.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.22 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus The solution is simple, and has been suggested time and time again.
IF YOU LOG OFF IN SPACE, YOU WILL AUTOWARP OFF AND STAY IN SPACE FOR 15 MINUTES EVERY SINGLE TIME.
CTD during mission? No change.
True
Originally by: Nyxus
Tired and just want to log for the night? No change.
False, read the threads about camping the POS for people leaving the game. RL calls you away in a hurry? No change.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.22 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Backdoor Betty Simple solution:
Make entering the sphere of influence of a warp bubble activate the 15min timer, with the caveat that you are still able to jump and that jumping deactivates the timer again.
Seems like that would be a good solution to me.
That will be an aggro timer, and de-cloak ships as they are aggroed, negating the 1 minute window after jumping in system (needed to permit the player PC to load and process the informations if there are multiple objects like numerous ships and wrecks), and negating the cov ops option to cloak and move at a good speed.
Not good.
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gazarsgo
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.22 22:12:00 -
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Here I thought I was going to join a post about how the Interdictor skill bonus (10% rate of fire to sphere launcher) got broken in Revelations and turns out to be another thread on logoffski
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Backdoor Betty
Forty Two
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Posted - 2007.01.22 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Backdoor Betty Simple solution:
Make entering the sphere of influence of a warp bubble activate the 15min timer, with the caveat that you are still able to jump and that jumping deactivates the timer again.
Seems like that would be a good solution to me.
That will be an aggro timer, and de-cloak ships as they are aggroed, negating the 1 minute window after jumping in system (needed to permit the player PC to load and process the informations if there are multiple objects like numerous ships and wrecks), and negating the cov ops option to cloak and move at a good speed.
Not good.
Fair point. However, since i'm proposing that it be a modified version of the aggro timer anyway, it could be worked so that it doesn't de-cloak you.
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Ascent of Ages R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.22 22:28:00 -
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You only can logofski in a station or in a pos. When you don`t do that your ship stays in space. Simple rules are mostley the best.
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Nonoffensive
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.22 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: gazarsgo Here I thought I was going to join a post about how the Interdictor skill bonus (10% rate of fire to sphere launcher) got broken in Revelations and turns out to be another thread on logoffski
I agree with you completely. This issue went in to the game and has been almost completely ignored. Apparently dictors are so wtfoverpowered that even after an entire shipbonus breaks these things are still uber-griefmachines.
I would suggest that we first fix the bugs that affect interdictors, and then address balance.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.22 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This problem also makes it nearly impossible to kill a titan.
I thought the absurd range of smartbombs when on a capship is what makes killing them impossible.
Or do bubbles finally avoid smartie damage?
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.23 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mar vel Dictor / Bubble / gate camping is NOT PvP. It's a sad excuse to terrorize your neighbors and act like the local bully.
The noobness...it burns.... Obviously never actually been in a gate camp.
While we are complaining can I get a WTF on anchor times for the mobile bubbles.
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