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Kodama Ikari
GOOD FELLAS Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.19 18:10:00 -
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Here's a question.
Let's say a character hasn't used a neural remap in several years, and has 3 "normal" remaps accumulated. Is it possible to use one to remap into different attributes for a few months and then use a second remap 4 months later? The devblog implied that the "cooldown" was a year from the last time you used a remap. This makes no sense at all, as accumulated normal remaps would then be completely useless. My understanding was that you got a new remap every 12 months, and you could use them whenever and however you liked. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
165
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Posted - 2011.12.19 19:01:00 -
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Kodama Ikari wrote:Here's a question.
Let's say a character hasn't used a neural remap in several years, and has 3 "normal" remaps accumulated. Is it possible to use one to remap into different attributes for a few months and then use a second remap 4 months later? The devblog implied that the "cooldown" was a year from the last time you used a remap. This makes no sense at all, as accumulated normal remaps would then be completely useless. My understanding was that you got a new remap every 12 months, and you could use them whenever and however you liked.
Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer. |

Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.
I would love that to be the case, however it seems its not... here you go:
CCP Pleognost wrote:Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining. So, if you last remapped in June, even if it was a bonus remap, you'll next be able to use your timed remap in June 2012. Your timer right now is the time you last remapped, plus one year. The new code will fix both the timer being reset every remap and the UI not showing you all the relevant information, as I've described earlier in this thread. 
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
171
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:48:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.
I would love that to be the case, however it seems its not... here you go: CCP Pleognost wrote:
Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining.
Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.
Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable). |

Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.
Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).
I'm hoping you are correct, I still have the interpretation that it resets every time you use any kind of remap, hope I'm wrong.
So if your way is correct, the char I have has the remap showing as:
Neural Remap Available: NOW
Bonus Remaps Available: 1
After the 22nd I will have a number two ( 2 ) in the bonus part, if I happen to use one of the bonus it will still not touch the GÇ£Neural Remap Available: NOWGÇ¥ part ??? It will remain as is up until you have used all bonus remaps. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
171
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:25:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.
Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).
I'm hoping you are correct, I still have the interpretation that it resets every time you use any kind of remap, hope I'm wrong. So if your way is correct, the char I have has the remap showing as: Neural Remap Available: NOW Bonus Remaps Available: 1 After the 22nd I will have a number two ( 2 ) in the bonus part, if I happen to use one of the bonus it will still not touch the GÇ£Neural Remap Available: NOWGÇ¥ part ??? It will remain as is up until you have used all bonus remaps.
It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything. |

Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:38:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.
So, now you got me even more confused 
In other words, you're saying that under the new system GÇ£ifGÇ¥ you have the remap status at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ when you use a bonus remap the system will not acknowledge that and will use the normal remap timer instead?
Don't I have an option to choose which one to use?
I ask all this cause I'm planning on using two bonus remaps that will take about 231 days, at that time I intend to use my normal remap that will be available if it remains at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ status.
I'm not sure I've explained myself correctly  |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
171
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:44:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:RubyPorto wrote: It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.
So, now you got me even more confused  In other words, you're saying that under the new system GÇ£ifGÇ¥ you have the remap status at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ when you use a bonus remap the system will not acknowledge that and will use the normal remap timer instead? Don't I have an option to choose which one to use? I ask all this cause I'm planning on using two bonus remaps that will take about 231 days, at that time I intend to use my normal remap that will be available if it remains at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ status. I'm not sure I've explained myself correctly 
You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)
If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now) |

ISquishWorms
32
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:51:00 -
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Are these gifts available to new accounts? |

Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:51:00 -
[160] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:
You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)
If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now)
Well, for me the point of the remap is that I may use it at anytime and to do some focused training on a couple areas, or whatever... Having remaps gives you that ability, the old way you would have GÇ£sayGÇ¥ 2 remaps, you could do a quick focused training on some areas for like 145 days, after that you would use your last remap that would trigger the 12 month period to get available once again, that works for me, if now things become the way you say they will, what is the use of remaps then?
Why would I use my normal remap NOW option first? It seems obvious to me that anyone with that option wants to hold it for last, no? I don't want to start any timer at this time.
First let me use my Bonus remaps as I seem fit, when I'm out of the Bonus ones then revert to the normal ones.
Why creating such confusion with stuff like this? Why CCP?
PS: Why do you translate/mix remaps into days? |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
182
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Posted - 2011.12.20 21:08:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)
If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now)
Well, for me the point of the remap is that I may use it at anytime and to do some focused training on a couple areas, or whatever... Having remaps gives you that ability, the old way you would have GÇ£sayGÇ¥ 2 remaps, you could do a quick focused training on some areas for like 145 days, after that you would use your last remap that would trigger the 12 month period to get available once again, that works for me, if now things become the way you say they will, what is the use of remaps then? Why would I use my normal remap NOW option first? It seems obvious to me that anyone with that option wants to hold it for last, no? I don't want to start any timer at this time. First let me use my Bonus remaps as I seem fit, when I'm out of the Bonus ones then revert to the normal ones. Why creating such confusion with stuff like this? Why CCP? PS: Why do you translate/mix remaps into days?
Starting the timer sooner means that the timer ends sooner. The timer ending is when you get a new "normal" remap, so the sooner the timer ends, the sooner you get to use another remap.
Old system: I have 2 maps, I go focused for x days, go balanced and am stuck for 1 year.
New system: I have 2 maps, I go focused for x days, go balanced and am stuck for 1 year - x days.
New system is strictly better, as you can emulate the old system easily by waiting to use your new map. |

Terrorina
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
4
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:34:00 -
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Christmas gift..? Where? I see nothing about this in acct management screen, am I missing something? |

Andrew Vimes
Scions of Ixo
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:43:00 -
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So how long do I have to wait to be able to redeem this or see it show up on my attributes screen? Logged out and back in, no "redeem gift" icon and nothing new on my attributes screen. My friend already got the fuel block BPOs. |

Terrorina
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
4
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:49:00 -
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Terrorina wrote:Christmas gift..? Where? I see nothing about this in acct management screen, am I missing something?
Um apparently it's been available for a while but is unavailable now? How come there was no news article that gifts were available?? The only way I learned about them just now is this thread.
Man CCP, you do something good with Crucible and then **** on us with things like this and you wonder why we have no faith in your company. |

Max Thunderbird
Thunderbird Kredit Corp
1
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Posted - 2011.12.22 03:03:00 -
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When do the bonus remaps show up? If it is supposed to be there now mine did not get added. Had 2, still have 2.
After reading post below mine I figure I better provide more info.
Remap Available has been Now for some time (weeks).
Still shows remap available now.
Should have 3 bonus remaps, shows 2. |

Nicole McClane
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 03:03:00 -
[166] - Quote
Have the problem on my second account with the missing "neural surgery" xmas gift.
It seems the bonus remap is only available, when the "neural remap" is available "NOW".
1st account (ok) Neural Remap Available: Now Bonus Remaps Available: 1
2nd account (missing the remap) Neural Remap Available: 2012.03.23 ...
On the account management page, I can see the transaction was done: 12/20/2011 12:11:55 PM 1 x Holiday present 2011: Neural Surgery Free
WTF! Possibly a bug?  |

Strike Severasse
13
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Posted - 2011.12.22 03:51:00 -
[167] - Quote
12/20/2011 5:06:13 AM1 x Holiday present 2011: Neural SurgeryFree Paid
Says I got it in account transactions but NO, and 6 months to go???? Maybe they stuck it on the extra character options? If so then stupid.
This is a FU, fix it!
"Camping for Kills only" = Carebears of Low/Null Sec Mining in HighSec = Yawn Do some DEDs, Anomolies, Exploration, something fun again! -áSomething with risk again. |

South Crystal
BUNNIES and DICTATORS Come Get Us
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:20:00 -
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Good morning
Loged in on my three accounts, one who selected implant got it's gift, but two who selected neural remap has not received theirs. Gona wait a day and cee is there anyothers with same issue and what gona happen. |

Stridsflygplan
Back Breaker Battalion Back Breaker Brigade
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:57:00 -
[169] - Quote
Same problem here. I had and I still have 2 bonus remaps and a Neural Remap 2012.03.15
Other people have their stuff already. I will give you guys a day or two then I will make a petation. |

Naraya Aethera
Insanity United
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 07:28:00 -
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Terrorina wrote:Terrorina wrote:Christmas gift..? Where? I see nothing about this in acct management screen, am I missing something? Um apparently it's been available for a while but is unavailable now? How come there was no news article that gifts were available?? The only way I learned about them just now is this thread. Man CCP, you do something good with Crucible and then **** on us with things like this and you wonder why we have no faith in your company.
Same here. ..
   
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2011.12.22 07:49:00 -
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The remap appear to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appear to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.
Better work out a way to fix this fast or your petition queue is going to be long enough to keep GMs busy until June. No joke. |

Naimas Alvares
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
19
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:42:00 -
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Othran wrote:The remap appears to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appears to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.
+1 confirmed
2 accounts x 2 chars (main chars with up to 20kk sp + twinks with 30k and 1,2kk sp accordingly) - bonus remaps now available on both accounts for twinks... 
It's so cool to get christmas gifts for unused chars, i'm so happy and so proud of ccp... Si vis pacem, para bellum. |

South Crystal
BUNNIES and DICTATORS Come Get Us
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:00:00 -
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Othran wrote:The remap appears to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appears to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.
Better work out a way to fix this fast or your petition queue is going to be long enough to keep GMs busy until June. No joke.
Edit - same thing has happened to two other people so I'm assuming this is a global screwup and not specific to me.
+1
Confirmed
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Khar Toba0182
Frog Morton Industries Anuran Origin
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:45:00 -
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Confirmed again, remaps for both accounts landed on wrong characters |

Jaina Doombringer
Grapes of Wrath
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:49:00 -
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Remap for Mainaccount landed on my alt that never ever had trained something (Jita marketscout ). The Remap for my second PvP account wasn't handed out at all... normal remap will be available in may 2012 and thats all.
That totaly sucks and im starting to get pissed. This totaly screws up my skillplans i came up with after the remap anouncement 
I'll hope this crap will be fixed. |

Thug Angel
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:53:00 -
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downtime has passed. same thing on my two accounts! pls fix it |

Dre Don
Absinthe Brothers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:53:00 -
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+1 to that, no-skills market alt seemed to auto gain the extra remap - joy should've been a redeemable item (to char) instead of station) like the other gifts |

Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
27
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:56:00 -
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No bonus remaps on my both accounts. Thx CCP your special noting gift.  |

Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
48
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Posted - 2011.12.22 12:03:00 -
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Confirming this. I did not receive a bonus remap on this character despite having selected it as gift. |

Baki Yuku
Nordgoetter Viking Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.12.22 12:18:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:No bonus remaps on my both accounts. Thx CCP your very special nothing gift. 
same here no remaps on ALL accounts thats an awesome gift I must say why thank you for that! Why did I even bother to select this gift in all accounts.. |
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