Where can i see my cooldown timer?

At the moment, you cannot see your cooldown timer [...]

I still can not select a remap option in Management page. Is this supposed to be this way?

So now we will have two kinds of remaps instead of one? Maybe it's just me but it sounds as if it's gonna be another confusing thing people are going to have to explain to new players.

Why not turn remaps into token items that can be traded on the market, just like plex?

CCP Guard (that's me btw) has some information for you regarding the Neural Remap gift choice on the Account Management page.

We pulled it from the list yesterday, then did some stuff to make it work better for you guys, and now it's going in again.

More details in the blog...and of course we-¦ll be monitoring your feedback and taking questions in this thread.

At the moment, you cannot see your cooldown timer if you have any bonus remaps remaining.

Once the code update goes live, the cooldown timer will be visible in the character sheet, along with the number of bonus remaps remaining. The code update will go out prior to the gift being issued.

Do the bonus remaps ever expire?

If another bonus remap becomes available next Xmas, and I still haven't used mine from this year, can I have 2 of them at the same time? (I anticipate only needing one remap in the next year.)

When I have both a bonus and a regular remap, I assume I'll be able to choose which to use, and whether or not I want to reset my timer. Is that correct?

If I have a character with 2 regular remaps, and acquire a bonus remap, is it possible to choose to use a regular remap and reset my timer immediately? Or would I have to use the second regular remap before the timer is reset? Obviously there are some situations in which it would be advantageous to reset the timer early. But it might be a simpler implementation to convert extra regular remaps into bonus remaps so that each character can have a maximum of one regular remap at a time.

Bonus remaps never expire. After the code update, there will be two ways to remap:

* You will be able to remap normally. This option is only available for use when a year has elapsed from your last "normal remap".

* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.

When remapping, the system will first see if you can remap normally (on the annual timer). If you can, it will set your remapping timer and permit you to remap. That timer will then begin ticking down, and, one year later, you will be able to remap normally again.

If your timer is ticking, then the system requires you to use a bonus remap in order to remap your attributes. If you do not have any, you have to wait.

If you elect to use a bonus remap, your timer will not be affected.

Let's say that you have no bonus remaps at all - you've used up your newbie bonus remaps and haven't received any since. If you remapped normally on the 1st of December, 2011, you will then have to wait until the 1st of December, 2012 in order to remap again normally.

If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.

At the moment, you cannot see your cooldown timer if you have any bonus remaps remaining.

Once the code update goes live, the cooldown timer will be visible in the character sheet, along with the number of bonus remaps remaining. The code update will go out prior to the gift being issued.

Stuff

One case I'm not sure is covered by explanations so far.

Say I have a bonus remap available, and my timer runs out tomorrow. After the time runs out, I have two remaps available yes? One timer based (using it will restart the timer), and one bonus. Presumably the first used in that instance will be the timer based one, leaving the bonus one untouched when used, but restarting the timer.

Perhaps clearer: The timer running out when you have a bonus remap available leads to you having two remaps available yes?

One case I'm not sure is covered by explanations so far.

Say I have a bonus remap available, and my timer runs out tomorrow. After the time runs out, I have two remaps available yes? One timer based (using it will restart the timer), and one bonus. Presumably the first used in that instance will be the timer based one, leaving the bonus one untouched when used, but restarting the timer.

Perhaps clearer: The timer running out when you have a bonus remap available leads to you having two remaps available yes?

CCP Pleognost I have a few questions:

1. Will the timer on a "normal" remap(1 year) continue to go if you reach your 1 year time and get a remap? For instance if my EVEMon plan has me skilling up for 2 years before I remap, will after that time I have 2 remaps or just 1?

2. This character has 1 remap available which was given from CCP because of something that went wrong (extended downtime maybe?). If I choose the free remap as my gift, I should have 2 bonus remaps on this character, will my 1 year timer start ticking?

3. Similar to number 2, in the past how do I know which remap got used? I remapped this character ~ a year ago but I'm not sure if I used my normal yearly remap or my bonus remap from CCP. Does this mean that once the new code goes into effect I have to wait for a year after using all my remaps? Since previously there wasn't a distinction between normal and bonus remaps, how will you classify existing remaps on peoples accounts?

Thanks for answering a lot of the questions I had in the previous posts.

If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.

*snip*

Or stop giving out free remaps. Problem solved.

Firstly: BEST. GIFT. EVER. Thank you awesomely much!!!!

Forgive me if I am a little dense but I am planning my next year in Eve meticulously.

I have 2 remaps available at the moment, hopefully three with the bonus.

I'd like to remap to Int/Per on or about 1 February and then to Mem/Cha in about September. (That uses two remaps.) Will I be able to use the last remap in about March 2013?

DID I MENTION BEST GIFT EVER LIKE EVER!!!! THANKS AGAIN!

So now we will have two kinds of remaps instead of one? Maybe it's just me but it sounds as if it's gonna be another confusing thing people are going to have to explain to new players.

Why not turn remaps into token items that can be traded on the market, just like plex?

Or stop giving out free remaps. Problem solved.

To clarify, the option to choose these bonus remaps, will be available to choose from, from 1600 GMT or server time. The gift of remapping will only be available to redeem on the 22nd of December.

The best gift for me? Seeing how everyone worked that well together! The community reporting some serious problems, the community team and developers quickly pulling together, checking possible solutions, a swift action to prevent further possible disappointments, quick communication and then of course more heavy developer magic, resulting in this fantastic turn around and great result. Seeing all this happen within such a short time and being part of it, this is wonderful.

Thank you.

ok i approve but i already chose remaps from the selection on the first day of gifts before they were taken down. will i still be receiving the new bonus remaps?

How is it determined which character on the account will get the remap?

I guess the one who is skill training ?

The fact that you're guessing is why Id kind of like clarificaton on it, Im currently training some skills on alts and would hate for them to get the remap

If you have an account with 3 characters:

One has 95,000,000 skill points and 3 remaps and charisma of 15, so remaps will NEVER ever happen on that toon, training queue stopped

Second has 12,000,000 SP and is training to become a nice alt, and could really use the remap, training queue stopped

Third is training to become a cyno alt real quick, but won't end until Feb, but doesn't want or need the remap, training queue active


Which toon will get it, or do I get to choose? i.e. if I login with toon one, two or three, is that the one that will get the remap when I claim it??

I <3 the new CCP. I'm loving that they are now listening to comments and responding quickly. Sweet jesus I'm feeling the love all over my body right now. All over my body right now

Exactly how long will the gifts be available?

I get my neural remap on the 27th of december, like to select the neural remap as a gift too on the 28th. But will it still be available?

Am I wrong in thinking that this gift has been done VERY quietly?

I would've thought a news or devblog about it in general would be in order. - For myself I found out about it by accident though another player.

ONLY on 22nd of December?? Does that mean if i can't login on 22nd of December that i wont be able to redeem the bonus remap later??



good work though on the quick change how bonus remaps work

Nope. The gift, if selected before the 22nd, will appear in the redeeming system on that date. We don't have any plans to let it expire though so you can safely redeem it later when it's convenient for you

Am I wrong in thinking that this gift has been done VERY quietly?

I would've thought a news or devblog about it in general would be in order. - For myself I found out about it by accident though another player.

* You will be able to instantly remap by using a "bonus remap" - these are the same as the remaps that newbies receive when they create their characters. When switching to the new system, you will keep any bonus remaps you had previously, and these will never expire.

Well there's a devblog, a sticky in general discussion and an advert on the login screen when you start EVE.

That seems fairly public.

Can any dev/gm comment on this, please!

Doesn't change the fact that for about 48 hours everyone I personally spoke to about this had not idea about it. Most players don't read the dev blog or forums. As far as I can tell the login screen started today, a few days after the gift was available in the management pages.

Devs,

The one concept that I believe remains unclear to many, including myself, is this:

What happens in the case of characters who have not expended their existing "Bonus" remaps, and how many of those remaining are considered "Bonus"? As the architecture did not previously differentiate between the two types, or even initiate any sort of timer to reclaim a "Normal" one if you had accumulated one or more bonus remaps, I believe people are curious as to how the new system relates.



This is a great example to clarify. If this is true and the remaps on a new account are considered as "Bonus," where does the "Normal" one come into play? Will new accounts still have two bonus remaps, in addition to the "Normal" one that will initiate their remap timer (1+2)?

Similarly, in my own case... if I have one initial bonus remap remaining (I used my first bonus remap six months ago, and my second two months ago, but obviously I have no timer to reflect either of these)--and excluding the gift--will my existing count be considered 1+1 (1+2 with gift)? Or will I lose a bonus remap and have it taken down to 1+0 (1+1 with gift selection)?

Naturally, I am concerned that I may have to expend all 3 of what were considered gift/bonus remaps in order to begin my regular remap timer.

Having said that, thank you all so much for your painstaking and exhaustive efforts on our behalf. It is truly appreciated.

Whine much?

As stated by Malcanis, it *was* announced in a devblog. And, it *is* on the login advert, a full SEVEN days before the offer is due to expire.

There is also a big image link on your Account Management page, and relevant posts on a dozen or more fan blogs.

And, contrary to your obvious cluelessness, most players (a) do read the dev blogs and forums, or (b) know someone who does. The dev blogs and forums are the primary method of communications between CCP and the player base.

So, grow up. No one gained any advantage by knowing about the gift offer 48 hours before you. In fact, some people are now unhappy because they feel that they chose their gift (and not the remap) prematurely.

I'm simply saying that this is bad comms - even now people are still asking for clarification about specifics (if you bothered to read the thread). Pulling the remap and not noting anything about it on the management pages is more bad comms that went on to create more problems as you rightly point out. Had everyone read about it here we wouldn't have a problem would we - so not everyone reads these pages. Where's your problem?

There is nothing wrong with people asking for clarification about specifics. That is the purpose of communicating via forums, rather than only via news posts. CCP devs have been doing a great job in responding in a timely fashion to the issues raised by the players, and providing the requested clarification. This is not "bad comms".

CCP has also done a fine job on posting an updated dev blog on this topic, summerizing most of the issues previously raised in this thread and others.

My "problem" is with folks who simply cannot acknowledge when a mistake was fixed effectively and efficiently, and still feel the need for further criticism. Get over it. CCP did an exceptional job in responding to this issue.

Sure, there are still many bugs and issues in the game, but player communication is no longer one of them - at least, not in this particular case. And, if you, I, or others, cannot be bothered to read the dev blogs or forums, in which CCP has taken pains to improve communications with the players, then that is entirely our failure, not CCP's.

I choose my gift in the time the remap was removed. So i dont chose the remap. I dont even know that a remap was avarible before.

Atm I cant change the gift. I Hope the selection will be resetted, so its not so unfair if you pick your gift in the wrong time

In this case, please file a petition and the GMs will help you out.

The best gift for me? Seeing how everyone worked that well together! The community reporting some serious problems, the community team and developers quickly pulling together, checking possible solutions, a swift action to prevent further possible disappointments, quick communication and then of course more heavy developer magic, resulting in this fantastic turn around and great result. Seeing all this happen within such a short time and being part of it, this is wonderful.

Thank you.

at least someone pays attention to me :(

Devs,

The one concept that I believe remains unclear to many, including myself, is this:

What happens in the case of characters who have not expended their existing "Bonus" remaps, and how many of those remaining are considered "Bonus"? As the architecture did not previously differentiate between the two types, or even initiate any sort of timer to reclaim a "Normal" one if you had accumulated one or more bonus remaps, I believe people are curious as to how the new system relates.



This is a great example to clarify. If this is true and the remaps on a new account are considered as "Bonus," where does the "Normal" one come into play? Will new accounts still have two bonus remaps, in addition to the "Normal" one that will initiate their remap timer (1+2)?

Similarly, in my own case... if I have one initial bonus remap remaining (I used my first bonus remap six months ago, and my second two months ago, but obviously I have no timer to reflect either of these)--and excluding the gift--will my existing count be considered 1+1 (1+2 with gift)? Or will I lose a bonus remap and have it taken down to 1+0 (1+1 with gift selection)?

Naturally, I am concerned that I may have to expend all 3 of what were considered gift/bonus remaps in order to begin my regular remap timer.

Having said that, thank you all so much for your painstaking and exhaustive efforts on our behalf. It is truly appreciated.

Perfect solution
Fair
Showing Initiative
Generous
Perfect communication (before, during and after)

My pitchfork is getting rusty.

I have started playing in 2010 and had 2 remaps available (which I now learn are considered bonus :)). After the last gift I had 3 maps available. So far I have used 2 of these and now have one remaining. My question is what is my timer right now? Is it basically 0 and starts once i use that last remap? Thats what I alway thought .... Since I always had remaps available I have never seen my timer and assumed it would start counting after the last of the 3 is used.

Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining.

So, if you last remapped in June, even if it was a bonus remap, you'll next be able to use your timed remap in June 2012. Your timer right now is the time you last remapped, plus one year.

The new code will fix both the timer being reset every remap and the UI not showing you all the relevant information, as I've described earlier in this thread.

I'll try to clarify this as best I can.

New accounts will receive two bonus remaps, and they also start with a zeroed-out remap timer. This means they can effectively remap three times in the first year. The first remap will start their timer, but will not consume bonus remaps. Any further remaps between when the timer starts and when the timer elapses (in one year from the first remap) will consume bonus remaps.

In your case, it sounds like you have a timer that started about two months ago. (This is because the old system would reset the timer every time you remapped, regardless of whether you were doing a bonus remap.) So, when the new system goes live, you should see something similar to this screenshot in your character sheet's attributes list - but with a different timer, of course.

If you choose the neural remapping gift, the "bonus remaps available" counter should increase to 2, but the timer will not change.

...make skill point remaps available, and tradable.

ex; new player starts out as miner. player then gets taste for pvp, player has 5,000,000 SP in industry tree, would better suit them to have it in gunnery sp.

i know you can pass out sp, its done on sisi, so let players remap sp with a card,token etc, annually as well:-)

Indeed.

Who the hell are those people posting with faked CCP sigs and what have they done with the real devs that we wanted to track down and, well, at least hit with a stick just some months ago.

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

I was under the impression that the remap would go into the redemption queue, like the rest of the gifts, implying that you could choose which toon gets the remap.

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

I'd prefer this as well but since remaps are not items this could be problematic from a coding standpoint.

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

That's not what you said in #85. You said it would be available through the redeeming system. I've chosen the remap as a result of that thinking I can apply it to this toon, the second highest SP in the account.

To clarify, the option to choose these bonus remaps, will be available to choose from, from 1600 GMT or server time. The gift of remapping will only be available to redeem on the 22nd of December.

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

Can it not just be given to the current training character. It then allows us to select which character we want that way. I want it on my 9m sp alt not my 20m sp alt.

That's not what you said in #85. You said it would be available through the redeeming system. I've chosen the remap as a result of that thinking I can apply it to this toon, the second highest SP in the account.

Hey guys am I missing something here? I was away for some time but I logged on and both my accounts had a gift, but when I try to redeem them the only option I get was for the CA-2 implant (on both accounts)

Am I supposed to get another gift to choose the remap, aurum and other things?? If so mine isn't showing How to fix???

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

Nope. The remap gift, if selected before the 22nd, will be applied to the highest skilled character on your account on that date. For the item gifts, we don't have any plans to let them expire so they can be redeemed whenever you feel like it as long as the choice was made in time.

Here's a question.

Let's say a character hasn't used a neural remap in several years, and has 3 "normal" remaps accumulated. Is it possible to use one to remap into different attributes for a few months and then use a second remap 4 months later? The devblog implied that the "cooldown" was a year from the last time you used a remap. This makes no sense at all, as accumulated normal remaps would then be completely useless. My understanding was that you got a new remap every 12 months, and you could use them whenever and however you liked.

Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.

Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining.

So, if you last remapped in June, even if it was a bonus remap, you'll next be able to use your timed remap in June 2012. Your timer right now is the time you last remapped, plus one year.

The new code will fix both the timer being reset every remap and the UI not showing you all the relevant information, as I've described earlier in this thread.

I would love that to be the case, however it seems its not... here you go:

Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.

Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).

I'm hoping you are correct, I still have the interpretation that it resets every time you use any kind of remap, hope I'm wrong.

So if your way is correct, the char I have has the remap showing as:

Neural Remap Available: NOW

Bonus Remaps Available: 1

After the 22nd I will have a number two ( 2 ) in the bonus part, if I happen to use one of the bonus it will still not touch the GÇ£Neural Remap Available: NOWGÇ¥ part ??? It will remain as is up until you have used all bonus remaps.

It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.

So, now you got me even more confused

In other words, you're saying that under the new system GÇ£ifGÇ¥ you have the remap status at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ when you use a bonus remap the system will not acknowledge that and will use the normal remap timer instead?

Don't I have an option to choose which one to use?

I ask all this cause I'm planning on using two bonus remaps that will take about 231 days, at that time I intend to use my normal remap that will be available if it remains at GÇ£NOWGÇ¥ status.

I'm not sure I've explained myself correctly

You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)

If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now)

Well, for me the point of the remap is that I may use it at anytime and to do some focused training on a couple areas, or whatever... Having remaps gives you that ability, the old way you would have GÇ£sayGÇ¥ 2 remaps, you could do a quick focused training on some areas for like 145 days, after that you would use your last remap that would trigger the 12 month period to get available once again, that works for me, if now things become the way you say they will, what is the use of remaps then?

Why would I use my normal remap NOW option first? It seems obvious to me that anyone with that option wants to hold it for last, no? I don't want to start any timer at this time.

First let me use my Bonus remaps as I seem fit, when I'm out of the Bonus ones then revert to the normal ones.

Why creating such confusion with stuff like this? Why CCP?


PS: Why do you translate/mix remaps into days?

Christmas gift..? Where? I see nothing about this in acct management screen, am I missing something?

Um apparently it's been available for a while but is unavailable now? How come there was no news article that gifts were available?? The only way I learned about them just now is this thread.

Man CCP, you do something good with Crucible and then **** on us with things like this and you wonder why we have no faith in your company.

The remap appears to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appears to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.

The remap appears to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appears to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.

Better work out a way to fix this fast or your petition queue is going to be long enough to keep GMs busy until June. No joke.

Edit - same thing has happened to two other people so I'm assuming this is a global screwup and not specific to me.

No bonus remaps on my both accounts. Thx CCP your very special nothing gift.

same here no remaps on ALL accounts thats an awesome gift I must say why thank you for that!

There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.

The remap appears to have been given to the character with the LOWEST skill points on an account and not the character with the highest skill points. This appears to happen on all accounts where more than one character exists.

Better work out a way to fix this fast or your petition queue is going to be long enough to keep GMs busy until June. No joke.

Edit - same thing has happened to two other people so I'm assuming this is a global screwup and not specific to me.

Hi,

just to make sure, can I use the bonus remap I have at a later date or do I have to use it today? I don't want to lose such a great gift from CCP and I prefeer to double-check everything ;)

The problem with Christmas gifts is not only with remaps. We were supposed to get 1000 fuel blocks od each type - what I get was all fuel block types but quantity 25. Is it a joke?