Originally by: dailyhazard

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sorry you missed out ginger
i fail to believe this is a pirate thread.

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Originally by: Bailian Moxtain

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/me is no piwate


Like ure alt's hauler tho

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Originally by: Frito11

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Yarr!!

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Frito11

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Yarr!!

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Originally by: GoGo Yubari

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You're right, after a fashion. For a pirate, the mark of the outlaw is a badge of honor and a sign to others that you're part of the brotherhood, having forsaken the comfy protection of the empire gates.

However, in my case, the mercenary profession would be rather difficult with restricted access to empire space. On top of that, I'm no longer a pirate. My experiences with that in-game lifestyle and with the game in general hasn't gone anywhere (ie. no EBay ), though. Back in the day I used to be a round -10.0 at one point, too.

It isn't exactly impossible to keep the sec status above -2.0 either, if one would be so inclined while still practising piracy.

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Originally by: GoGo Yubari

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You're right, after a fashion. For a pirate, the mark of the outlaw is a badge of honor and a sign to others that you're part of the brotherhood, having forsaken the comfy protection of the empire gates.

However, in my case, the mercenary profession would be rather difficult with restricted access to empire space. On top of that, I'm no longer a pirate. My experiences with that in-game lifestyle and with the game in general hasn't gone anywhere (ie. no EBay ), though. Back in the day I used to be a round -10.0 at one point, too.

It isn't exactly impossible to keep the sec status above -2.0 either, if one would be so inclined while still practising piracy.

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Originally by: Frito11

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Frito11

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Yarr!!

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Aww no sec status lookup for me

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Originally by: tiller

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You and Venal Rangers taught me how to work gates over 2 years ago when I didn't have a clue tbh, it set me up for a life of crime.

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Originally by: tiller

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Very true... I also got to -10.00000000000 but ruined it by killing a NPC :-( (then doing missions lol)

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I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg

Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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kublai and tiller really need to get a room and frudge-guck this animosity out of their systems..

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Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

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Originally by: JoeT

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i liek pie?

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Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

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Yep... sure alot Mafia you listed. Not even going to bother looking up most of them. But i fail to see what that has to do with anything.
So they aren't keeping a -10? so they can be given the freedom to move about and kill more helpless targets.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: JoeT

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i liek pie?

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Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

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Yep... sure alot Mafia you listed. Not even going to bother looking up most of them. But i fail to see what that has to do with anything.
So they aren't keeping a -10? so they can be given the freedom to move about and kill more helpless targets.

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The point that he is making is that many of the people that talk about piracy and have strong opinions on piracy have never pirated lol.

Its like someone who just learned how to play chess try and give a Grandmaster some advice on openings, its ridiculous.

And if Tiller is a carebear, I guess that would make me a carebear also, and every member of Mafia, and every other Pirate in all the other pure Pirate Corps in Eve.

Fact of the matter is, Tiller is a strong player, devout pirate and will pod his own mother if she played this game and wandered into the same system as him.

To the former -10 Pirates of this thread: Don't get jealous and your panties in a bunch just because you abandoned the bloodlust ways in search of true "beardom". I detect alot of this for some strange reason.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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LOL! 475 kills since Kali disagrees with you on that last statement.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 23/01/2007 01:49:08

Originally by: Dr Slice

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LOL! 475 kills since Kali disagrees with you on that last statement.

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So that makes, what, maybe ten kills when you discount all the shuttle/noob frig/scout alts?

Negative sec status proves nothing besides the fact that you've podded several people in a row in low-sec without npcing in between. It doesn't make you nearly as elite as you claim to be. I'd tell you to prove it, but I'm sure your next move would be to whip out your handy-dandy killboard showing me just how many people you gategank a day.

I've been down the -10 lane a few times in three years, so don't even bother commenting on my current -2.3.

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Originally by: vile56

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Edited by: vile56 on 23/01/2007 01:08:45

Originally by: Dr Slice

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I detect alot of unfounded elitism personally, we're not the ones whining about how hard things are, tiller is.

That's what this is all about, tiller can't hack the changes, we can.

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Originally by: Devian 666

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It was painful enough seeing the epeen stroking in the last thread. Let alone having a second thread.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 05:51:59

Originally by: Devian 666

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It was painful enough seeing the epeen stroking in the last thread. Let alone having a second thread.

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My epeen is way to large to even measure.. green eyed epeen jealousy will only make you unhappy. Why not work on increasing your own size rather than just say how large everyone elses is and how unfair it is

To guys that sneer at anyone killing at a gate, just where do you kill everyone ?, the majority of people in eve are either mid warp, at a gate or docked. (though some spend too much time here *cough*)

Guess where I'm gonna hang out

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 05:51:59

Originally by: Devian 666

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It was painful enough seeing the epeen stroking in the last thread. Let alone having a second thread.

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My epeen is way to large to even measure.. green eyed epeen jealousy will only make you unhappy. Why not work on increasing your own size rather than just say how large everyone elses is and how unfair it is

To guys that sneer at anyone killing at a gate, just where do you kill everyone ?, the majority of people in eve are either mid warp, at a gate or docked. (though some spend too much time here *cough*)

Guess where I'm gonna hang out

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Midwarp? how do you stay in midwarp so long? HAX!

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 05:51:59

Originally by: Devian 666

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It was painful enough seeing the epeen stroking in the last thread. Let alone having a second thread.

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My epeen is way to large to even measure.. green eyed epeen jealousy will only make you unhappy. Why not work on increasing your own size rather than just say how large everyone elses is and how unfair it is

To guys that sneer at anyone killing at a gate, just where do you kill everyone ?, the majority of people in eve are either mid warp, at a gate or docked. (though some spend too much time here *cough*)

Guess where I'm gonna hang out

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Midwarp? how do you stay in midwarp so long? HAX!

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You never used the pause button ?

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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empire piracy lol...

0.0 is much more fun.. and i would know have fixed my sec status more times then i care to rememeber..

+ where is the fun setting on a gate in amamake(?) or rancer...etc and ganking haulers all day..

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Originally by: kublai

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I was -10 and in Pirate Coalition months ago tiller, felinuz farms flashers in low sec and earns hundreds of mill pr week doing so.

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Originally by: kublai

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TDG requires members to have a sec stat better than -2 (those who don't, are improving it), now personally I don't play kublai much, I do high sec and 0.0 piracy on my alt.

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Originally by: kublai

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Now you're telling me, my kills, my ransoms, my griefing is not valid piracy, because the character I use on the forums is a measly -9?

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Originally by: kublai

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My arguments from that last post stands tiller, you have yet to go at even ONE of them, instead you dance around going at anything but the matter at hand.

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Originally by: kublai

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The matter at hand is, that YOU are a carebear.
Namecalling? carebear is a term, a type of player, just like pirate and merc.

I call you a carebear because you yourself admit, that you wish to use warpcore stabs so that you won't get killed while you play "shoot'em up eve".

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Originally by: kublai

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You express a desire to sit in one system and blast everything that passes by to hell, while you yourself having impunity (sorry, near impunity) from death, because if you get blown up, you become a sad pirate, and wish to go play hello kitty island adventure (which is a GREAT game and beta will rule).

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Originally by: kublai

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Now you accuse me of name calling, to prove that you yourself are a more mature person, you dig up my security status and start bashing that, what the hell?

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Originally by: kublai

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Even if I was some newbie with 2 ibis kills in a blob, my points would still stand tiller, but fact of the matter is i'm a pirate, i'm a pirate with hundreds upon hundreds of kills, mostly solo, mostly in belts, be they high sec, low sec or 0.0 belts I personally don't keep count.

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Originally by: kublai

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As for the amount of pod kills, it was easy popping pods in egghelende, I got to -10 in two days sniping with t1 guns in a megaT mostly solo, but guess what, people who fly ships WORTH hunting and killing rushing about solo, not camping, know how to warp a pod away.

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Originally by: kublai

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tiller, you ARE a carebear, this is not name calling or slandering, you are a carebear, felinuszzz is a pirate (if calling you a carebear is name calling, felin better slap me when I log in).

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In eve we have a scoring system if you like, it tells you basically how 'naughty' you are in low sec. The more guys we kill in low sec our security status falls....

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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So I'm only -4.4, and this somehow means I am not/have not been a real pirate? Give me a break man, your logic is awfully flawed.

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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nope it doesn't, but it does indicate the person kills alot in low sec

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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nope it doesn't, but it does indicate the person kills alot in low sec

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So a person could go round killing battleships in low sec, while not podding them, and not be allowed in to the corp, but some month old noob who's popped and podded a few navitas flying noobcorpers could?

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Originally by: mazzilliu

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this thread is stupid.

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Originally by: kublai

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. Big load of flames and pure unadolterated crap

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Originally by: kublai

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Further, tiller isn't actually a pirate, tiller does not play eve, tiller players Shoot'em up eve, he does not care about the isk or ransoms, he just wishes to blow up as many people as he possibly can without moving or having to call on friends to help him (I could quote you on this, but i'm assuming your memory is still in sound order).

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Originally by: Bethany Brokatt

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Gotta love the old excuse my sec is high because I run missions to subsidise my isk.

Pirate Translation :

I am a carebear and suck at pirating. No offence Tiller (I was dissapointed when you went bear !!) but if you need to carebear to make your isk you lose at being an outlaw....

Carebearing includes Ratting / Missions / Mining / etc..

Bethany LAIDAI

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 13:26:09

Originally by: Bethany Brokatt

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Gotta love the old excuse my sec is high because I run missions to subsidise my isk.

Pirate Translation :

I am a carebear and suck at pirating. No offence Tiller (I was dissapointed when you went bear !!) but if you need to carebear to make your isk you lose at being an outlaw....

Carebearing includes Ratting / Missions / Mining / etc..

Bethany LAIDAI

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I ran missions for 3 months to buy 2 fully fitted fully insured phoenix and skills. They soon will be at a gate near you (tm)

There is no easy way to make that kind of isk in such a short time (over 9bill) from pirating alone unless you get VERY lucky and loot a t2 BPO.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 13:17:03

Originally by: kublai

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Further, tiller isn't actually a pirate, tiller does not play eve, tiller players Shoot'em up eve, he does not care about the isk or ransoms, he just wishes to blow up as many people as he possibly can without moving or having to call on friends to help him (I could quote you on this, but i'm assuming your memory is still in sound order).

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You finally get it!, yes that is exactly what I do except isk is my secondary driving force as it helps me improve my ship setup.

Just another way to play eve..... unless my way of playing is not worthy lol

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Edited by: Dr Slice on 22/01/2007 23:04:38
This is pretty funny actually, but true.

This is to all those experts Tiller listed:

Unless you have lived the -10 life for some time, the talk and understanding you claim to have of piracy is about as valuable as a pile of sheep dung.

Edit: Punctuation

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Originally by: tiller

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Before reading below please regard it as light hearted roleplay and by no means a personal attack (ie, no name calling will take place kublai ;-)

After being smacked to hell and back in the last thread and being told by dozens of people that piracy was not slowly being snuffed out by CCP and I was a big carebear I thought I'd do a little research.

For further reading old thread is Here

In eve we have a scoring system if you like, it tells you basically how 'naughty' you are in low sec. The more guys we kill in low sec our security status falls....

Now using a Security Status Calulator you can see that it only take 33 ship & pod kill to reach the dizzy(lol) lows of -10. Sure, if you kill dudes in 0.0 it means nothing but generally most piracy discussed on the forums is low sec. 1 pod kill will see you too -1.5....

I would of expected most the 'experts' to be blood sucking evil -10 guys... ohh wait. Here are the results of said reseach.

GoGo Yubari 0.2 (o/ me ex CEO from Venal Rangers)
IHurricane -0.3
Jalec Creed -1.8
Marcus TheMartin -9.4 (rejoin MAFIA ya nub)
Valen Itrius -1.0
Stakhanov -9.4
kublai -9.6
VIctoria Ballentyne 1.9
doom kat 0.0
Soumk 0.0 (cough alt cough)
Felinuszzz -4.4
darth solo 1.7
TuRtLe HeAd -6.7
Lorth -0.7 (your a merc goddamit)
Nicocat -2.8
Powdder 4.9!
Constantinee -0.0 (who areeeeee you)
Tiller -10

Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

Now not for one second am I saying 'omgomg I'm a better player'. Just DONT lecture me on what, from where I'm sitting you actually know less about or at least don't seem to be very good at.

I'll leave you with the wise words of the dread pirate Constantinee -0.0 from that very thread.

quote 'piracy aint dead if anything its more fun then ever'

Yes of course it is...


addition: if you used to be REALLY low sec status outlaw dude then I'm sorry, but I'd also comment that you probably are not in the position to comment on post Kali piracy since your turned bear.

Again, please take above as a light hearted different look at your pirate success in eve, nothing more.

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 09:20:35

Originally by: Felinuszzz

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So I'm only -4.4, and this somehow means I am not/have not been a real pirate? Give me a break man, your logic is awfully flawed.

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You'd be kicked out of MAFIA for not being one yes, if you could not get to -5 within 30days of joining.

Guess you are still a 'pirate' (I've never said you are not), just not one that would be welcome within this particular group of gankers.

At no stage have I tried to define piracy, I could not care less.

I just kill people, wether a reaper or a titan, I'm not really that bothered.


What I did however say is that a -10 rating does point to a person who kills alot at low sec gates, someone like me. Thats why I said that people who are not obviously don't and as such should not lecture me on the subject.

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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nope it doesn't, but it does indicate the person kills alot in low sec

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So a person could go round killing battleships in low sec, while not podding them, and not be allowed in to the corp, but some month old noob who's popped and podded a few navitas flying noobcorpers could?

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We created the rule so we don't end with a membership full of mission runners seeking safety within a rat corp.

People who are serious about low sec piracy won't care about losing sec status..

It also filters out alts / spys from the corp..

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 13:17:03

Originally by: kublai

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Further, tiller isn't actually a pirate, tiller does not play eve, tiller players Shoot'em up eve, he does not care about the isk or ransoms, he just wishes to blow up as many people as he possibly can without moving or having to call on friends to help him (I could quote you on this, but i'm assuming your memory is still in sound order).

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You finally get it!, yes that is exactly what I do except isk is my secondary driving force as it helps me improve my ship setup.

Just another way to play eve..... unless my way of playing is not worthy lol

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Originally by: Sakura Nihil

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That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .

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Originally by: Skywalker

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Ok, i have been reading this post and can agree that it turned into a flamefestival.

What is a pirate or not can be discussed forever. What i know though is that my corp have been low sec pirates for a long time, we have been forced by CCP to use other means of pirating then we used to (and i don't just mean stab nerf, lol). It is harder now, but still doable. I to whined at the last patch, wich i think is a valid thing to do if you think that your way of playing the game is going in a direction you do not like. You can discuss if belt pirating is more valid then gate camping and such.
My corp have always liked gate camping and that have been crippled with WTZ patch. We now have to have bigger gangs and scouts in nearby systems. Before we could do more solo gatecamping and using less scouts.

Oh and thank you for calling us a worthless corp, i do think however since we stay on top on a few killboards that we have done something right when it comes to playing bad guys. Also being around for more then 3 years shows in some knowledge about low sec pirating.

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Originally by: Saint Bubba

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 13:17:03

Originally by: kublai

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Further, tiller isn't actually a pirate, tiller does not play eve, tiller players Shoot'em up eve, he does not care about the isk or ransoms, he just wishes to blow up as many people as he possibly can without moving or having to call on friends to help him (I could quote you on this, but i'm assuming your memory is still in sound order).

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You finally get it!, yes that is exactly what I do except isk is my secondary driving force as it helps me improve my ship setup.

Just another way to play eve..... unless my way of playing is not worthy lol

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And once again, Tiller with his stupidity and iq below 10 avoids rest of the post and goes to one small bit. Retard...

And mafia has 28 members... If you let members in based on being -10.0 or not and you dont even know them with such a small member base... I advise you disband this stupid worthless corp full of ibis/pod killers at gates using stabs

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Originally by: sb404

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Now... can we please have the loot when we pop a freighter? How come no one whines about this anymore?

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Originally by: Splagada

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SEED ME DADDY

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Who knows? We engage in all acts of Piracy. Gate Camps, Belt Piracy, Station Piracy (thats when you die outside of a station) and we even partake in Fleet Engagements every now and then.

Where do you get your kills?

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Originally by: Nicocat

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How amusing. Saying we're not pirates because our sec isn't -10. As for me, mine used to be lower, but I power-ratted in 0.0 (super sec gain, ain't gonna tell you how if you don't know) because I missed shopping and I don't do alts.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Nicocat

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How amusing. Saying we're not pirates because our sec isn't -10. As for me, mine used to be lower, but I power-ratted in 0.0 (super sec gain, ain't gonna tell you how if you don't know) because I missed shopping and I don't do alts.

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Have not said your not a rat unless -10, just pointing out the 'non-outlaw' experts on piracy in these forums, which is a oxymoron

lol at power ratting, sounds very dull. Now if CCP could make NPC get upset when you shoot them maybe it would be fun.

Each to their own though...

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Originally by: Splagada

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SEED ME DADDY

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Originally by: JoeT

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Who knows? We engage in all acts of Piracy. Gate Camps, Belt Piracy, Station Piracy (thats when you die outside of a station) and we even partake in Fleet Engagements every now and then.

Where do you get your kills?

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where ever the target is at. mostly at stations now. kill them as they undock and before they can warp away or dock. hard on ransoms, but meh.

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: JoeT

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Who knows? We engage in all acts of Piracy. Gate Camps, Belt Piracy, Station Piracy (thats when you die outside of a station) and we even partake in Fleet Engagements every now and then.

Where do you get your kills?

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where ever the target is at. mostly at stations now. kill them as they undock and before they can warp away or dock. hard on ransoms, but meh.

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so basically you mostly kill noobs?

only a noob gets killed at a station. any player with a brain or experience just waits invulnerable for the undock timer and redocks

DE

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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I posted in this thread I now officially matter!

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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I posted in this thread I now officially matter!

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No, you only matter by disagreeing with anything I say.

Hate me dammit HATE ME

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Originally by: tiller

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Have not said your not a rat unless -10, just pointing out the 'non-outlaw' experts on piracy in these forums, which is a oxymoron

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Originally by: Soumk

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Originally by: tiller

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Have not said your not a rat unless -10, just pointing out the 'non-outlaw' experts on piracy in these forums, which is a oxymoron

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Examples of people that have positive security standings that also have experience in piracy.

1) Multiple accounts. Pirate with one, post with another.

2) Victims of pirates. Getting ganked by a pirate is a first class education on that they can or can't do.

3) Past pirates that have decided to do something different in the game and increased their security status.

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Originally by: Soumk

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Examples of people that have positive security standings that also have experience in piracy.

1) Multiple accounts. Pirate with one, post with another.

2) Victims of pirates. Getting ganked by a pirate is a first class education on that they can or can't do.

3) Past pirates that have decided to do something different in the game and increased their security status.

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: Soumk

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Originally by: tiller

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Have not said your not a rat unless -10, just pointing out the 'non-outlaw' experts on piracy in these forums, which is a oxymoron

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Examples of people that have positive security standings that also have experience in piracy.

1) Multiple accounts. Pirate with one, post with another.

2) Victims of pirates. Getting ganked by a pirate is a first class education on that they can or can't do.

3) Past pirates that have decided to do something different in the game and increased their security status.

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i totally disagee.

We are talking about the current state of piracy as i profession.

Alts i agree with but ppl who have been pirated know jack **** about the quality of piracy as a profession and ppl who used to be pirates have no experience with it at this time so again don't really know.

DE

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 17:12:44

Originally by: Soumk

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Examples of people that have positive security standings that also have experience in piracy.

1) Multiple accounts. Pirate with one, post with another.

2) Victims of pirates. Getting ganked by a pirate is a first class education on that they can or can't do.

3) Past pirates that have decided to do something different in the game and increased their security status.

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Maybe no.1. But not 'No2' and people in 'No3' have no place to comment on post Kali piracy imho.

However, many here suffer from a tragic ailment called IES

IES (or Instant Expert Syndrome) effects many in eve and shows itself on the forums quite alot.

The whole point of this thread was to point out that there are many who I think should not be commenting on how the 'life of a pirate' is being effected by recent game mech changes.

I can, from my narrow persective only comment on gate piracy... I can imagine some of the effects on others however.

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Originally by: Intigo

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Are you bloody kidding me?

Now, I realised tiller was a pretty daft and ignorant individual a while back, but never that he was really this stupid. Pathetic.

GTFO, tiller.

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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The last patch has been the best thing to happen to piracy since i started pirating in 05. Or do i not class as a pirate tiller?

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Originally by: sb404

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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The last patch has been the best thing to happen to piracy since i started pirating in 05. Or do i not class as a pirate tiller?

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HHhhhey... don't I buy my mins from you guys? =)

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Edited by: Felinuszzz on 23/01/2007 09:04:42

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In eve we have a scoring system if you like, it tells you basically how 'naughty' you are in low sec. The more guys we kill in low sec our security status falls....

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LoL....... just...... LoL...........


If you don't kill pods often, or if you ransom people instead of just killing them all and hoping for a good drop, your sec status doesn't plummet so fast.

So I'm only -4.4, and this somehow means I am not/have not been a real pirate? Give me a break man, your logic is awfully flawed.

I've been fixing my sec for the last week, finally got it to my goal of being able to access .5 sec space again. The lowest I have ever been is -7 from some alliance griefing I did that involved harvesting some pods, and when I got that low I started fixing it pretty fast due to the drawbacks of not being able to access empire, made worse by my lack of alts outside this account.

Before that, actually when I was most active pirating with JoeT and 545, my sec never dropped below -1.9, because I started with a sec of +5, was frugal with the pod kills, generous with the ransoms, and went to 0.0 to fix it again when it did drop to -1.9.



Lets put it this way:

If I went out and camped a gate, and killed all the shuttles, newb ships, haulers, and pods that came through, I'd be -10 pretty fast. Does killing loads of newb ships, shuttles, and pods make me a real pirate?

Likewise, if I belt hunted, ransomed barges, ransomed pods, ransomed ships that I overpowered, fought some 1v1s with a can drop, and popped a few people I was sure had tech 2 or faction fittings, my sec status would be reasonably high, I'd have made way more high-profile and meaningful kills and ransoms, and I'd have made a lot more ISK at it in the process.

But according to you this second scenario "does not a pirate make"?



Your definition of piracy is really messed up Tiller. I thought the objective was to make ISK off of other people, not just farm newb ships and newb pods to get to -10 sec as quickly as possible

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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but but but im the best of the best of the best

nope it doesn't, but it does indicate the person kills alot in low sec

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: sb404

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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The last patch has been the best thing to happen to piracy since i started pirating in 05. Or do i not class as a pirate tiller?

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HHhhhey... don't I buy my mins from you guys? =)

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S******dly are the baddest miners out there man, I have nothing but respect for what Shamiz can do with a belt.

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 23/01/2007 05:51:59

Originally by: Devian 666

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It was painful enough seeing the epeen stroking in the last thread. Let alone having a second thread.

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My epeen is way to large to even measure.. green eyed epeen jealousy will only make you unhappy. Why not work on increasing your own size rather than just say how large everyone elses is and how unfair it is

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Originally by: Superbus Maximus

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Yarek Balear

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0.0 Piracy doesn't lose you sec status, but if you ply your trade there it doesn't make you any less of a pirate. Sec status isn't the be all and end all of how good/bad someone is.

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but but but im the best of the best of the best

nope it doesn't, but it does indicate the person kills alot in low sec

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Your starting to sound like Ginger...

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You have stated before that you do not care about making ISK. You have enough ISK and that you only do what you do for *cough* PvP *cough*. Now what's really ironic about this is that you said this in the *cough* pirate *cough* channel. Which yeah pretty much sums up your reply above me.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Some clarification.

1. I saw several people state that any noob with -10 can get into Mafia. This is not true. There is a 10 mil skill point requirement in addition to getting to -5 within 30 days or getting the boot.

2. I too have trouble seeing where anyone said you're not a Pirate unless you're -10. You emotional types really have a knack of putting imaginary words into people's mouth. It's quite humorous but sad at the same time.

3. I fail to see any whineage in this thread, just alot of flaming.

4. A personal tip to you all: Read a post carefully and comprehend it, while holding your emotions in check, instead of speedily hitting the reply/quote button and unleashing your "fury". Because when you do this, you are going to play "magical creation of words that were never said" game.

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2. I too have trouble seeing where anyone said you're not a Pirate unless you're -10. You emotional types really have a knack of putting imaginary words into people's mouth. It's quite humorous but sad at the same time.

3. I fail to see any whineage in this thread, just alot of flaming.

4. A personal tip to you all: Read a post carefully and comprehend it, while holding your emotions in check, instead of speedily hitting the reply/quote button and unleashing your "fury". Because when you do this, you are going to play "magical creation of words that were never said" game.

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tiller

Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Edited by: Felinuszzz on 23/01/2007 22:49:51

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2. I too have trouble seeing where anyone said you're not a Pirate unless you're -10. You emotional types really have a knack of putting imaginary words into people's mouth. It's quite humorous but sad at the same time.

3. I fail to see any whineage in this thread, just alot of flaming.

4. A personal tip to you all: Read a post carefully and comprehend it, while holding your emotions in check, instead of speedily hitting the reply/quote button and unleashing your "fury". Because when you do this, you are going to play "magical creation of words that were never said" game.

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We're not making things up.

Lecture away about reading comprehension, he says it right here:

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tiller

Well guys, i'm pretty shocked. First, under MAFIAs rules most of you would be kicked from our corp within 30days for not meeting the 'minimum requirements' to be a pirate.

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He said it.

-10 is the "minimum requirement" to be a pirate according to tiller.

After your post, I can't resist doing this before I leave the forums forever in frustrustration:

1. Who rushed it with the post reply button? (You.)
2. Who is playing the word creation game? (You.)
3. Who has got the reading comprehension skills? (Not you.
4. Who just failed to make a meaningful post, and made themself look like a hypocrite? (You.)
5. Who's corp's Killboard is almost pure 13 man blob kills against newb ships and tech 1 cruisers/battlecruisers? (You.)




I for one am done with this pointless thread. If you want to talk, convo me in game.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Edited by: Felinuszzz on 23/01/2007 22:39:25
Edited by: Felinuszzz on 23/01/2007 22:26:18
Continued......


Felinuszzz > My concern, is that there seems to be nobody left to fight with here.
raVn666 > not me either , ive got enough isk , also , im not complaining in lack of targets or good fights in lowsec , though i do complain about ccp lowsec policy
Famine Aligher'ri > This is not the pvp channel this is the pirate channel.
raVn666 > lol
Felinuszzz > fair enough ;-)
Famine Aligher'ri > Maybe it slipped your mind
Famine Aligher'ri > <3 new wannabe pirates



Yeah, thats right, I just posted a huge chatlog.

Don't misquote me or misrepresent me again.

I never said "I have enough ISK", I never said "I don't need any more ISK", I never said "I do this for PvP and not ISK". I do this for ISK, and thats why I don't kill sheep anymore. I don't see the point in ganking a 3 month old main in his t1 fitted cruiser/tier1 battlecruiser, because there is no ISK in doing so; it's meaningless and the benefit does not justify the sec hit.

In fact, I'm a particularly greedy player, I always try to make ISK from every engagement I have . The last few ship losses I have had, I stopped to loot and had to jump through the hoops of CCP's broken looting system; can bugged and I took too long snatching the good stuff, the victim's support blob got me.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Relax? Relax!?

You just called me an emotional type who has poor reading comprehension skills, and then you told me to "Relax"!?!



We're not talking about what you idiots require for people to join your "pirate corp". I don't want to join your corp. I don't care about your corp. I don't care about your corp's recruitment policies.

We are talking about what tiller said.

Where are your reading comprehension skills?? Where did they go??

What was the topic of discussion again??

What was I posting about up above??

Was I posting about Mafio or whatever, and your recruitment policies?

NO.


I was/am posting about these ludicrous statements this tiller guy keeps making. I am posting about this hot **** he keeps spitting, and I am posting about why he is ignorant and wrong to make the claims he does.

He stated, fairly clearly, that -10 sec is a "minimum requirement" to be a pirate. That's what I am responding to.


Go make a thread about your corp's recruitment policies somewhere else, and if I care, I'll post about it in that thread.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Relax? Relax!?

You just called me an emotional type who has poor reading comprehension skills, and then you told me to "Relax"!?!



We're not talking about what you idiots require for people to join your "pirate corp". I don't want to join your corp. I don't care about your corp. I don't care about your corp's recruitment policies.

We are talking about what tiller said.

Where are your reading comprehension skills?? Where did they go??

What was the topic of discussion again??

What was I posting about up above??

Was I posting about Mafio or whatever, and your recruitment policies?

NO.


I was/am posting about these ludicrous statements this tiller guy keeps making. I am posting about this hot **** he keeps spitting, and I am posting about why he is ignorant and wrong to make the claims he does.

He stated, fairly clearly, that -10 sec is a "minimum requirement" to be a pirate. That's what I am responding to.


Go make a thread about your corp's recruitment policies somewhere else, and if I care, I'll post about it in that thread.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Why is every one fighting with each other? WHO GIVES A RATS A$$ WHAT SOME ONE ELSE'S DEFINITION OF A PIRATE IS!?

If your pew pewing, corp theiving, gate camping, belt ransoming, Pos Thieving it dosen't matter. In the end all that matters is what do YOU think?

God I sound like an after school special.

Next post will be about not doing drugs

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But the point still stands. Piracy is not the same as PvP. So why comment? Please don't get this confused with ego. It's more about "Hey I've been doing this longer than you. What grounds do you have to deny when you have yet to experience the fullness of the trade". Reasonable I think.

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I don't know why you really had to post the whole chat log of you whining about why 0.0 is to risky for you to stroll into. That really wasn't needed in the thread.

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Again with stuff that is not needed. You are not in the trade, so what right do you have to say who is a 'idiot' on there post in a trade you are not apart of? Sorry I'm having to break it down to simple terms but really stop trolling the thread.

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Wow, you remind me of a 14 year old on PMS!

When Tiller was speaking about minimum requirements, he was speaking about Mafia, not the entire Eve population.

Why do I have to keep explaining this over and over again. Its like trying to teach a monkey with ADHD.

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Now that they have been called out, they are embarassed and feel they need to engage in all out flaming in order to redeem themselves.

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[i]Dr Slice

......You emotional types really have a knack of putting imaginary words into people's mouth. It's quite humorous but sad at the same time........

.........Read a post carefully and comprehend it, while holding your emotions in check, instead of speedily hitting the reply/quote button and unleashing your "fury". Because when you do this, you are going to play "magical creation of words that were never said" game.............

....Wow, you remind me of a 14 year old on PMS!.......

........Its like trying to teach a monkey with ADHD........

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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But the point still stands. Piracy is not the same as PvP. So why comment? Please don't get this confused with ego. It's more about "Hey I've been doing this longer than you. What grounds do you have to deny when you have yet to experience the fullness of the trade". Reasonable I think.

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Where did I say they were the same thing. Yes, very reasoneable. I'd appreciate it if when we do talk, you share your experience more, and smack me about/insult me less.

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I don't know why you really had to post the whole chat log of you whining about why 0.0 is to risky for you to stroll into. That really wasn't needed in the thread.

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It provides context for what was said. I am in 0.0 right now. I brought about a half a billion worth of assets with me. I wasn't talking about all 0.0, just the parts where Alliances control the stations, and tend to be liberal with bubbles and scan probes. I wasn't whining about 0.0 being too dangerous, I was making the point that a blob of
angry carebears chasing you with bubbles is a lot scarier than any gang in lowsec.

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Again with stuff that is not needed. You are not in the trade, so what right do you have to say who is a 'idiot' on there post in a trade you are not apart of? Sorry I'm having to break it down to simple terms but really stop trolling the thread.

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Remind me again why I am not "in the trade", when I kill people and take their stuff for profit.

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Wow, you remind me of a 14 year old on PMS!

When Tiller was speaking about minimum requirements, he was speaking about Mafia, not the entire Eve population.

Why do I have to keep explaining this over and over again. Its like trying to teach a monkey with ADHD.

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Flame away, it really helps strenghten your arguments. Don't bring my age or my gender into this please.


If he was just talking about Mafio, he didn't make himself clear enough - it looks to me like he is talking about everyone in general.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Edited by: Dr Slice on 23/01/2007 23:28:32

Originally by: kublai

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Does it look like the writings of a 14 year old girl on the "rag"?

Because if so, I guess you just got owned by one.

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Ohhh now Kublai jumps in to attack me lol. Yeah, the way the both of you react to posts reminds me of emotional children. I'm sure there are others who feel/think the same.

All the two of you have been doing in this entire thread is flaming and throwing tantrums lol.

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I'm sure there are others who feel/think the same.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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Edited by: Felinuszzz on 23/01/2007 23:29:33

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Hey, you get back what you give out. You can't flame others and not to expect it to come back around. And if I think your age and gender are relevant, I will speak about it.

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What goes around comes around eh?

Where did I flame again? Did I really stoop to insulting people who disagree with me? Quote it.

Oh, I did refer to some people as "idiots", I do suppose that's worthy of the Primate/ADHD/PMS/Gender/Age harassment you're giving me.

What you are doing is called Ad Hominem;

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An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

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This typically occurs when someone knows they are incorrect, or is on the defensive in an argument, or is embarassed and ashamed of themselves.

You're just trying to discredit me, by stating I am a: Monkey/Female/on my period/have ADHD....

All of these seem particularly ignorant to me.

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Was I close? Are you a 14 year old girl on the "rag"?

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Stop trying to provoke me. Please leave my gender out of this.

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Originally by: kublai

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I see one flame, calling someone an idiot, to which felin already admitted to, the rest were valid arguments countering your arguments.

You should try it yourself, if you actually had any valid arguments that is.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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I see one flame, calling someone an idiot, to which felin already admitted to, the rest were valid arguments countering your arguments.

You should try it yourself, if you actually had any valid arguments that is.

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So you guys are basically allowed to flame but when I do it its wrong? LOL

Grow up Kublai.

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Flame 1: I was arguing with your silly ego about how lowsec is slowly degenerating, and why fringe 0.0 space is not always a viable alternative for piracy

Flame 2: 1. Who rushed it with the post reply button? (You.)
2. Who is playing the word creation game? (You.)
3. Who has got the reading comprehension skills? (Not you.)
4. Who just failed to make a meaningful post, and made themself look like a hypocrite? (You.)

Flame 3: We're not talking about what you idiots require for people to join your "pirate corp".

There is the proof you requested.

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Originally by: kublai

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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I see one flame, calling someone an idiot, to which felin already admitted to, the rest were valid arguments countering your arguments.

You should try it yourself, if you actually had any valid arguments that is.

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So you guys are basically allowed to flame but when I do it its wrong? LOL

Grow up Kublai.

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My point is, that isn't flaming, it is called argumenting, he is attacking your POST, not YOU.

You attack people and personalities with real life assumptions that many, including myself find offensive.

ADHD is not a joke, it ruins lives, there is a difference between what you do, and what felin is doing.

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Originally by: kublai

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Since when did I use real life assumptions in ANY of my posts?

Do I somtimes flame people? definately, but I flame them based on what they write and argue, not who they *could* be in real life.

The fact that you need to jump into other posts, and find yourself completely unable to find valid arguments within this one really says it all.

Log out of the forum slice, find yourself a gate, and wait for an ibis or iteron.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Originally by: kublai

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Since when did I use real life assumptions in ANY of my posts?

Do I somtimes flame people? definately, but I flame them based on what they write and argue, not who they *could* be in real life.

The fact that you need to jump into other posts, and find yourself completely unable to find valid arguments within this one really says it all.

Log out of the forum slice, find yourself a gate, and wait for an ibis or iteron.

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Ohhh wait for an Ibis or Iteron, very valid argument there!

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Originally by: F Apparition

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: JoeT

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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Who knows? We engage in all acts of Piracy. Gate Camps, Belt Piracy, Station Piracy (thats when you die outside of a station) and we even partake in Fleet Engagements every now and then.

Where do you get your kills?

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where ever the target is at. mostly at stations now. kill them as they undock and before they can warp away or dock. hard on ransoms, but meh.

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so basically you mostly kill noobs?

only a noob gets killed at a station. any player with a brain or experience just waits invulnerable for the undock timer and redocks

DE

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On certain minmatar station(s?), that's not entirely true.

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Originally by: PEMDAS

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hey guys, i'm one big badass pirate. fear me, i talk tough on the forums and brag about liking to kill people.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: PEMDAS

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hey guys, i'm one big badass pirate. fear me, i talk tough on the forums and brag about liking to kill people.

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Everyone knows forum whoring is worth 5% to all in game resists per lvl

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Originally by: kublai

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I call you a carebear because you yourself admit, that you wish to use warpcore stabs so that you won't get killed while you play "shoot'em up eve".

You express a desire to sit in one system and blast everything that passes by to hell, while you yourself having impunity (sorry, near impunity) from death, because if you get blown up, you become a sad pirate, and wish to go play hello kitty island adventure (which is a GREAT game and beta will rule).

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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I think the bottom line here is that Tiller called out the people who think they understand Piracy but have never Pirated, and they were lecturing about it in the other thread. These same people lecturing, come to find out, have positive sec stat, never pirated before or are retired pirates.

Now that they have been called out, they are embarassed and feel they need to engage in all out flaming in order to redeem themselves.

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Originally by: Amiable Quinn

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MAFIA posts are not imbued by the force of the all mighty,

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Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif

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Rabble rabble

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Originally by: Amiable Quinn

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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I think the bottom line here is that Tiller called out the people who think they understand Piracy but have never Pirated, and they were lecturing about it in the other thread. These same people lecturing, come to find out, have positive sec stat, never pirated before or are retired pirates.

Now that they have been called out, they are embarassed and feel they need to engage in all out flaming in order to redeem themselves.

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LOL

Dude, Eve is a video game. What's to understand? There are some game mechanic changes, anyone with a decent knowledge of the game can extrapolate the results of those changes. You have failed to convince anyone that "pirate status" in some way makes you more qualified to speak on the subject of pirating.

No one cares if you think you are the OMG-leet-special-pirate-expert. The fact remains that since this is a public forum, everyones opinion is equal. Meaning:

You are not a unique and special snowflake.

MAFIA posts are not imbued by the force of the all mighty, if you make flat out wrong statements about game mechanics or the state of play it will rise and fall on the strength of your arguments, not your -10 sec status or your forum whoring skills.

Age in game does not equate to: "I'm always right, and you are always wrong."

The reason why I find these threads so amusing is you never bother to actually address any arguments, you just call people names and continue whining.

If you want to push for a change in game mechanics, this is not the way to go about it. You need to:

1. Present evidence in a coherent, non-insulting manner.
2. Address the argument, not the person.
3. Not hide behind arbitrary measures that will alienate the very folk WHO ARE MOST LIKELY TO AGREE WITH YOU.

Why do you conintue to make these posts that do nothing other than shoot yourselves in the foot?

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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3. Again, another "random guy" coming out of nowhere with a 2.9 sec stat to smack me, very nice.

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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If you don't like how the game is going you have 2 options:

1. Quit

2. Come up with a constructive solution.

And all I've seen from the lot of you is a bunch of bull****. Security status has nothing to with whether or not your a pirate. I was -10 and back before you'd even heard of the game tiller, but what the **** does that really matter? IT DOESN'T.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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If you don't like how the game is going you have 2 options:

1. Quit

2. Come up with a constructive solution.

And all I've seen from the lot of you is a bunch of bull****. Security status has nothing to with whether or not your a pirate. I was -10 and back before you'd even heard of the game tiller, but what the **** does that really matter? IT DOESN'T.

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ROFL

On one hand you say sec status has nothing to do with piracy ?, then you harp on about blah blah used to be -10.... it mattered enough for you to tell us all here ?

Please reread my first post, I have not said you NEED to be -10 to be a pirate. I just get sick of being told how I generally suck by + sec guys who will have no clue about post kali piracy.

You, I'm guessing fall into this group of people...no offence.

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Originally by: Dr Slice

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1. I never claimed to be an expert, you are making that claim.

2. Show me in this thread where I speak about game mechanics.

3. Again, another "random guy" coming out of nowhere with a 2.9 sec stat to smack me, very nice.

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