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Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.22 23:54:00 - [1] For a serious user, why is vi$ta better than xp64? Discuss. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
JoDirt Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.22 23:56:00 - [2] The security is a lot better. -------------------------------- Luckily my neck broke my fall...
Kung Zao	Posted - 2007.01.23 00:12:00 - [3] Originally by: JoDirt Edited by: JoDirt on 23/01/2007 00:01:55 The security is a lot better. Edit: Vista <---just checking AHAHAHA....
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.23 00:24:00 - [4] 2(122302:125102:125402) 02(+Cevius02) with the early release of it for business/enterprise edition, hackers have prolly just made up an nice coricopia of Zero day release viruses and other fun stuff for the home editions Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 00:27:00 - [5] What is Vi$ta? The cool kid way of typing it? It's called Vista. If you spell it with a $, then you're likely one of those people who hates Microsoft for no good reason, who won't actually pay for it anyway. End random troll.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.23 00:33:00 - [6] you mean you can get it free? sweet! maybe there is justice in the world Originally by: Lance Hawke What is Vi$ta? The cool kid way of typing it? It's called Vista. If you spell it with a $, then you're likely one of those people who hates Microsoft for no good reason, who won't actually pay for it anyway. End random troll.
emepror Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.01.23 00:39:00 - [7] actually vist(the good version of home edition) is about $300 but the upgrade is like $160
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.23 01:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Lance Hawke What is Vi$ta? The cool kid way of typing it? It's called Vista. If you spell it with a $, then you're likely one of those people who hates Microsoft for no good reason, who won't actually pay for it anyway. End random troll. I'm not a microsoft hater, I sure as well own't use a mac/ox10. So far, the onl real reason to upgrade has been dx10, is MS going to bind dx10 distiny to vista and vista long to force sales? Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Wibiq Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2007.01.23 01:39:00 - [9] It most likely won't matter initially, but it won't take long for applications to use features that aren't available in XP. Just like any other OS upgrade, it will take a little time for programmers to start using it strongly, but really it goes back to a simple question: why don't you currently use Win98?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 01:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 01:55:45 Its better because it purposely degrades all audio and blurs all video unless you have a license and play it on a monitor that supports HDMI (read: 2000 dollars). Its better because it performs quite a bit slower in all benchmarks and eats an extra 800 megabytes of RAM. Oh wait... It does have some redeeming features though, like WinFS... oh wait, they cancelled that. The Monad shell should give it something to compete with Linux... oh wait, they cancelled that. Does Vista have any new features other than Aero (for which there is already a Java equivalent that uses less memory), DirectX 10, and ridiculous amounts of DRM? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:04:00 - [11] Wouldn't surprise me if Microcrap decides to release DX10 to XP down the road, when the release period of Vista is over. [OMG! SMASH!]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Wouldn't surprise me if Microcrap decides to release DX10 to XP down the road, when the release period of Vista is over. Microsoft will only release DX10 for XP if Vista is a marketing failure (like the Zune was). They want companies to make programs for DX10, but if few people buy Vista, they will be forced to release it for XP. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Marund Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 01:55:45 Does Vista have any new features other than Aero (for which there is already a Java equivalent that uses less memory), DirectX 10, and ridiculous amounts of DRM? Mmmmm.... DirectX 10... that is probably the only really great thing about it. ___ Eve Simulator! www.evesim2.ytmnd.com
Callistus Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 01:55:45 Its better because it purposely degrades all audio and blurs all video unless you have a license and play it on a monitor that supports HDMI (read: 2000 dollars). Its better because it performs quite a bit slower in all benchmarks and eats an extra 800 megabytes of RAM. Eh? Have you actually tried Vista? Your posts are usually pretty intelligent but this one just seems misguided. I've been running Vista RC2 since it came out and the ram usage is under 400MB (of my 1GB) when its relatively idle. I used to run 2GB, before one stick died, and then I remember the ram usage was higher (around 600MB iirc) so I can only assume that Vista's memory usage varies depending on how much ram you have to spare. As for the degraded audio and blurred video I simply have no idea what you're talking about. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Callistus Eh? Have you actually tried Vista? Your posts are usually pretty intelligent but this one just seems misguided. I've been running Vista RC2 since it came out and the ram usage is under 400MB (of my 1GB) when its relatively idle. I used to run 2GB, before one stick died, and then I remember the ram usage was higher (around 600MB iirc) so I can only assume that Vista's memory usage varies depending on how much ram you have to spare. Under 400MB? I haven't installed it simply because I only have a gig, but the screenshots I've seen show 800MB idle usage. I know someone with a gig who couldn't play back a DVD because he didn't have enough free memory. Originally by: Callistus As for the degraded audio and blurred video I simply have no idea what you're talking about. Read up on Vista DRM. You cannot play back any protected content (meaning any DVD, even things you could play fine on XP) without it being blurred unless you have a screen that supports HDMI. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari The irony is that its not even out yet, and no games are out for DX10 yet, so we don't even know how much better it is. Who knows, it might suck. preview Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 02:23:23 Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Dark Shikari The irony is that its not even out yet, and no games are out for DX10 yet, so we don't even know how much better it is. Who knows, it might suck. preview That's partially because the DX9 screenshot is not using HDR or SM3.0, both features which are already available in DX9. SM4.0 of DX10 is undoubtedly better than SM3.0 of DX9, but whether its worth gimping my entire computer and forcing me to boot Linux to play back a DVD... I'm not sure. And I'm getting low enough FPS in fleetbattles already -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Callistus Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 02:13:58 Originally by: Callistus Eh? Have you actually tried Vista? Your posts are usually pretty intelligent but this one just seems misguided. I've been running Vista RC2 since it came out and the ram usage is under 400MB (of my 1GB) when its relatively idle. I used to run 2GB, before one stick died, and then I remember the ram usage was higher (around 600MB iirc) so I can only assume that Vista's memory usage varies depending on how much ram you have to spare. Under 400MB? I haven't installed it simply because I only have a gig, but the screenshots I've seen show 800MB idle usage. I know someone with a gig who couldn't play back a DVD because he didn't have enough free memory. Well I'm sat here with 45 running process (AV, firefox, download software, etc) and the memory usage is 450MB. I also regularly run two eve clients and ventrillo on top of that and don't run into problems. Admittedly I did try and play music on top of that a few times and things did slow down. Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Callistus As for the degraded audio and blurred video I simply have no idea what you're talking about. Read up on Vista DRM. You cannot play back any protected content (meaning any DVD, even things you could play fine on XP) without it being blurred unless you have a screen that supports HDMI. Not sure exactly what you mean by "blurred" but I've watched a ton of DVDs on this computer with no problems at all. Audio quality on all my music seems to be exactly the same as XP as well. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 02:29:43 Originally by: Callistus Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/01/2007 02:13:58 Originally by: Callistus Eh? Have you actually tried Vista? Your posts are usually pretty intelligent but this one just seems misguided. I've been running Vista RC2 since it came out and the ram usage is under 400MB (of my 1GB) when its relatively idle. I used to run 2GB, before one stick died, and then I remember the ram usage was higher (around 600MB iirc) so I can only assume that Vista's memory usage varies depending on how much ram you have to spare. Under 400MB? I haven't installed it simply because I only have a gig, but the screenshots I've seen show 800MB idle usage. I know someone with a gig who couldn't play back a DVD because he didn't have enough free memory. Well I'm sat here with 45 running process (AV, firefox, download software, etc) and the memory usage is 450MB. I also regularly run two eve clients and ventrillo on top of that and don't run into problems. Admittedly I did try and play music on top of that a few times and things did slow down. The 800MB must have been counting pagefile usage. How much pagefile usage do you get with that 450MB of RAM? Originally by: Callistus Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Callistus As for the degraded audio and blurred video I simply have no idea what you're talking about. Read up on Vista DRM. You cannot play back any protected content (meaning any DVD, even things you could play fine on XP) without it being blurred unless you have a screen that supports HDMI. Not sure exactly what you mean by "blurred" but I've watched a ton of DVDs on this computer with no problems at all. Audio quality on all my music seems to be exactly the same as XP as well. Just looked it up. Correction: its for high-definition video only, so all HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays will be blurred until you buy a 2000 dollar HDMI monitor. This will also of course prevent you from making any sort of legal copy or backup of your disk without resorting to *****ing the encryption. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Callistus Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:41:00 - [20] Edited by: Callistus on 23/01/2007 02:38:03 Originally by: Dark Shikari The 800MB must have been counting pagefile usage. How much pagefile usage do you get with that 450MB of RAM? Page file usage says 768M/2301M -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Callistus Originally by: Dark Shikari The 800MB must have been counting pagefile usage. How much pagefile usage do you get with that 450MB of RAM? Page file usage says 768M/2301M Wow, that's pretty high, though not as high as I expected. Gah, what happened to memory efficient programs? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Callistus Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:51:00 - [22] Actually that pagefile of 768 was while I was watching a movie (bumping the ram usage up to 525MB). Now that I've stopped and the ram is back down to around 450MB, the pagefile is down to 660. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Big Underdog	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:09:00 - [23] Quote: Gah, what happened to memory efficient programs? Bloatware (short version - lazy programmers and PHBs) This is why I don't use NAV anymore
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:09:00 - [24] I don't see any kind of advantage to us guys that live with a tight budget to build pc's. ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Kurren Farscape Mining Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Wouldn't surprise me if Microcrap decides to release DX10 to XP down the road, when the release period of Vista is over. Meh, like people need to wait for Vista. If I know computer nerds and web pirates... DX10 will likely have a home in XP sooner than MS's plans for it to. Hell, I'd be willing to be people could get Win2000 to run DX10. Its all just a matter of who wants to be the first internet junky superstar. --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Kurren Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Wouldn't surprise me if Microcrap decides to release DX10 to XP down the road, when the release period of Vista is over. Meh, like people need to wait for Vista. If I know computer nerds and web pirates... DX10 will likely have a home in XP sooner than MS's plans for it to. Hell, I'd be willing to be people could get Win2000 to run DX10. Its all just a matter of who wants to be the first internet junky superstar. Its likely Microsoft will have integrated DX10 into the Windows Vista video system, making it very hard to reverse-engineer it for XP without the source code. Its a more reasonable hope to think that WINE will improve enough to replace Windows. It already plays EVE, so who says it can't do DX10? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Gothikia Gothikia's Home for Wayward Boys	Posted - 2007.01.23 04:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Does Vista have any new features other than Aero (for which there is already a Java equivalent that uses less memory), DirectX 10, and ridiculous amounts of DRM? Do yourself and the rest of the forums a favour and STFU. Now thats out the way GO HERE! spend a few days watching all the videos about the innovations, yes DS, INNOVATIONS, that have been created by Microsoft, for Vista. Once you've educated yourself a little bit, then come back and re-evaluate your opinion. Its not as if your post count is going to decrease now is it...
Leto Twin Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 07:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Dark Shikari Does Vista have any new features other than Aero (for which there is already a Java equivalent that uses less memory), DirectX 10, and ridiculous amounts of DRM? Do yourself and the rest of the forums a favour and STFU. Now thats out the way GO HERE! spend a few days watching all the videos about the innovations, yes DS, INNOVATIONS, that have been created by Apple, for Microsoft's version of Tiger. Once you've educated yourself a little bit, then come back and re-evaluate your opinion. Its not as if your post count is going to decrease now is it... Now, I don't own a mac, and have been a windows user for as long as I can remember. But even I know Vista is pretty much Tiger in XP. Time's review.
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2007.01.23 07:28:00 - [29] Nice review, I have to agree with it though, vista is no way a rip off of mac, completely different... ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Leto Twin Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.23 07:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Rakeris Nice review, I have to agree with it though, vista is no way a rip off of mac, completely different... I think the reviewer was being sarcastic myself. But I won't be installing Vista for a while yet. I am not going to pay to beta-test an OS.

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