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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:06:01 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I placed myself at my clan's mercy and it was not particularly merciful. I will carry my marks of shame for all of New Eden to see, right on my very face, until I have earned the right to claim I have repaid my debts and undone the harm I did to my clan and people through my actions and failure.
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Should you prove in action that you take responsibility for your history and actions, I certainly would. So far though, your own alliance leaders and members have spoken quite eloquently to further the point that "they don't care."
Rather than having an Amarrian style ****ing match lets just end this here. Quite obviously the issues are well and known. If they wish to right their past wrongs lets let them prove their merit by action, just as you have with your clan. Maybe their leadership doesn't care but why not let those who wish to do well do so instead of stonewalling them into oblivion. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:07:24 -
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Booting Funk? Nope
Helping UK fight in Roush during early hours? Yep
Caring about how this thread makes us look as a corp? Not really.
Stopping null roams that have turned into little more than killing cattle for meat? Nope
I think I've addressed the points against me. |
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
429
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Posted - 2016.01.19 01:39:46 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote: ... You and yours made your choices and now you expect these choices to not have consequences. You expect all of New Eden to ignore years of history and actions made in many names and for many causes, and even to ignore the fact that your members are attacking TLF members ... you expect me to care about your feelings?
We have encountered some misunderstandings in our operations, and there is certainly differences in who we define to be applicable targets. A few have been unintended. Some others... we try to offer warnings of premptive strikes to ensure the security of our fleets, and as we become more familiar with which pilots are merely inexperienced and those which are pirates or spies it will happen less. We are facing some prejudice, after all, and we don't know who is willing to attack us.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:... I am truly a villain, hmm?
... We have all made poor choices in our capsuleer careers. We have all done the wrong thing for the right reasons or the right thing for the wrong reasons. We've murdered and slaughtered our way across the stars, raining blood down upon the worlds beneath us. I have no will will towards those who have stepped wrong and done harm as I have.
I've used harsh words, and I apologize. I am honestly protective of Valentina, I hold her in some reverence for convincing me to return to the Minmatar. There are times the Amarr had convinced me the Minmatar were sure to be defeated, that it was better to serve them willingly while I still had the opportunity. Pyre Falcon was a different experience. We worked for the Amarr, but were not Amarr. They did not encourage me to partake in the faith, they just wanted me to be an exemplary pilot regardless of my race or idealogy.
I was born Minmatar of body, but I wasn't raised Minmatar. I didn't even meet Minmatar society until well after I graduated. I've always been an outsider, vesting myself in Minmatar culture while seeing everything with cosmopolitan eyes. I've made many mistakes, and I've been a terrible, selfish and ignorant person for a very long time now. I am trying to grow, now.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I placed myself at my clan's mercy and it was not particularly merciful. I will carry my marks of shame for all of New Eden to see, right on my very face, until I have earned the right to claim I have repaid my debts and undone the harm I did to my clan and people through my actions and failure.
Can you even come close to understanding why you represent some of the most loathsome concepts of New Eden to me?
I may hate their choices but I will respect their honesty and perhaps even forgive and embrace them if they work to fix their mistakes. I don't think you're capable of grasping such a thing though ...
I can't grasp it. I don't even begin to understand the way you see the world, and it's unfair of me to demand that you start agreeing with me about anything when I'm obviously the intruder.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Should you prove in action that you take responsibility for your history and actions, I certainly would. So far though, your own alliance leaders and members have spoken quite eloquently to further the point that "they don't care."
Please also understand that even before this initiative began you have been a detractor to several of us and you have threatened our appearence by setting a narrative that does not accurately depict MCF1B, Calmatar syncretists or the membership of 2LC. Ideally, we can rectify all of this, but it'll require a little clemency for our occasional disorder and the cultural differences we face between our organizations. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
567
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Posted - 2016.01.19 02:10:42 -
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Hmm. Well, those are words I did not expect from you. You'll have to forgive that I remain skeptical until I see something more than words, but it is... well, let's leave it at unexpected for now. I do not trust anyone easily, least of which those who have taken up arms against my people in the past.
I am afraid a very simple fact remains. You have forces attacking TLF forces, not in self defense or out of caution, but active piracy towards TLF forces. Unarmed non-combat vessels in a Matari tradehub do not pose a danger to any one of you. Other times, members of your alliance are seen cooperating with pirate/neutral forces to take down TLF combat vessels. All of these claims are fully independently verifiable in un-falsifiable registries.
There is also the fact that you attack our allies during a time when we have more than enough enemies to go around. At worst, this is flat out treason, at best it's a misallocation of resources to a point where it might as well be.
The former I can attribute pretty entirely towards the blooder psychopaths you rub shoulders with, which all on its own means no trust can be earned. The latter ensures the alliance leadership can't be trusted.
I'll grant you that I am very much biased against almost every one of you from the very beginning, but I'll contend I very much have reason for it, given that I've faced your guns more than once, aimed towards my people. So while this annoying sentimental little idiot part of me wishes your words held worth... they are simply weighed against a mountain of history and evidence that simply can not be ignored.
There is always the possibility I am wrong. Unfortunately, New Eden too often proves the cynic right. Either way, it does not matter. The RoE ensures I pose no threat to you so I couldn't still my mind and perform the battlechants in the Serial Peacemaker or Battlechanter whether I trusted you or not. The greatest threat you face from me are no more than words on a page. I won't discount the damage a pen can do, but it's hardly grievously wounding enough that you won't have ample time and ability to prove me wrong.
It'd be a refreshing change of pace. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
1598
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Posted - 2016.01.19 04:32:56 -
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*Sells her popcorn stock, before the prices drop*
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
661
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Posted - 2016.01.19 08:18:32 -
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Aphoxema! You need to stop before you actually make the Militia sound like a viable option. 
Also, welcome home.
I've watched plenty of adult clanless try to fit in with us "trads" (*) and it does not seem to be an exactly easy process. It is not always made easier by the trads themselves being clueless about how different an experience a clan is to someone who has been raised without (guilty as charged, here). Good luck.
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(*) A fancy new word (well, at least for me) they use on Bleak Lands stations for someone born and raised in an established clan.
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
38
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Posted - 2016.01.19 22:41:15 -
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Militia is always a viable option for new people to train when the armies actually need more than the navies can provide. |
Havohej
Akheteru Integrated Astrometrics
Hedonistic Imperative
142
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Posted - 2016.01.21 17:53:07 -
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What's this about Blooders contracted to the TLF and awoxing MinMil pilots? Am I reading that correctly?
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
305
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:11:55 -
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Havohej wrote:What's this about Blooders contracted to the TLF and awoxing MinMil pilots? Am I reading that correctly? One word:
Funk. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
883
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Posted - 2016.01.21 20:17:56 -
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Havohej wrote:What's this about Blooders contracted to the TLF and awoxing MinMil pilots? Am I reading that correctly?
Appears that way, ya... |
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
577
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Posted - 2016.01.21 23:32:17 -
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By volume alone, it does look like indiscriminate slaughter of Hek residents in unarmed vessels is the primary purpose of the alliance. Of course, it doesn't take many psychopaths in eggs to achieve that sort of thing, but I would have thought aiming them at enemies rather than our own would have been desirable.
It's by now an old and settled subject, though. CEOs and Executors have stated their views on it. No fucks given. |
Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
39
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Posted - 2016.01.23 18:44:13 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:No fucks given.
Except for yours apparently, by volume alone.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
581
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Posted - 2016.01.23 18:58:39 -
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Oh, there's quite a few of us who find your indiscriminate slaughter of non-combatant vessels in Tribe space, and awoxing of TLF members to be quite distasteful. I was referring to your alliance's CEOs and Executor's opinions, which has been quite clearly stated in these threads to essentially amount to "no fucks given".
I know it's not particularly convenient when someone points out your treason in public, but that's just how it is. Of course, you guys haven't been attacking non-combat vessels in Tribe corps since... well, yesterday, so I'm sure it's just old news that somehow isn't relevant or something of that sort.
It's such a pity that a potentially useful alliance that could actually prove themselves to not be traitorous scum to the Tribes so willingly infect themselves with your kind of infestation. I could almost have believed the claims of Khushakor Clan if that wasn't the case. |
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