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Kam'Sing Tung	Posted - 2007.02.15 08:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Aramendel If you use 2 EAN/AN use a DC2 instead a 3rd EAN. Unless you are using 3 > 21% base resistance faction nanos the DC2 gives you a better armor resistance boost since it is uneffected by stacking penalities. And of cource shield and hullresistances. You sure that DCU has no stacking penalties? I'll go check when I get back in my ship. Just bought another TS EANM to replace the T2 EANM. Only gave me about 1% extra resists all board for 40mill extra lol. More money than mind I guess. With some of us pilgrim pilots flying such expensive setups I think it wont be too much to train recon ships level 5. I am not sure what else one could fit with the extra cpu but who knows :), since itll give us extra TD and nos bonus it does seem worth it. I have already spent about 400mill on the ship and fittings so why not.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.15 09:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Private Iron Balmer TDs are the same as T2 but they take 32 cpu instead of 48, this setup also only fits with something like 0.5 cpu spare. Yeah, and Balmers also use less cap per cycle as compared to t2 TDs iirc. In addition, they are surprisingly cheap. There is no reason to use t2 TDs at the moment, Balmers are just so much better.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Kam'Sing Tung You sure that DCU has no stacking penalties? Yes
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Kam'Sing Tung You sure that DCU has no stacking penalties? yes. 2 eanm II's and a dmg control is the way to go imo with double med rep, cap injected. DE
Deathhawk Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:38:00 - [35] my setup atm 3x med dim nos 1x cloak 1x ab II 1x fleeting scram 2x TD 1x web 1x med rep II 2x eanm II 1x dcu 1x 800mm plate hammers hobs gonna get a kinetic rig and probs a rep amount rig I ROCK - DH
Dues Incarnine	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:45:00 - [36] Pilgrims are amazing at shooting shooty BS- usually ratting. You can make a great setup with faction stuff. Anyone trying to use dual rep is gonna have cap issues once the targetted ship is out of cap. If u have the cash, try to get one of the corpum or centum repper. With two rigs you can rep for about 680 per cycl. (not sure on exact as im at work but it's 650+) THis is a little under dual rep. You can spend a fortune fitting this ship out if you want and it will be uber.... If u have it get the 19k corpum nos! For me, a perfect setup is: 3x Corpum A type Nos Cloak 2x Balmer TD, Domi WD, AB (or cap injector - i use both at times), TS Webber 2x TS EANM, 1x TS Themic, Corpum A type repper and 800mm Plates with 2 nano rigs. This is uber expensive though - more than a bil. They should hardly ever die but u never know so ur choice! I think 15k+ NOs/Web is essential so you can try to stay out of web range for short range BS. You need transversal up high (AB) and also, med nossers cant generally get you. TBH though, you should always be surprising your opponents so most of the time they don't get many shots of anyways. One thing you must do is watch out for drones. The most valuable mod is ur ability to cloak. Choose fights very carefully... And do NOT engage big drone ships. You can kill 'pretty' much anything in a nano-curse (with some exception) but the pilgrim is a much more fragile beast. However, if used right, a beast it is.
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Kam'Sing Tung You sure that DCU has no stacking penalties? Yes Well with the eanm I get resists of 79.9%/79.9%/71.8%/68.5% With Damage control Unit i get 78.5%/78.5%/69.8%/66% Have I calculated something wrong? bearing in mind I am only testing with DCU 1 because I dont have a DCU II around atm. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.21 05:59:00 - [38] New setup that works with Recon IV since I've decided to put off training it to 5 until after I hav HACs: Pilgrim Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II 10MN Afterburner II Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Shadow Serpentis Energized Thermic Membrane 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ 5x Hammerhead II 5x Warrior II 788 shield, 1.58/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/19/55/79 4350 armor, E/T/K/Ex=73/70/62/73 1500.0 cap, +12.58/s, -40.792/s 405.0 m/s 0.0 DPS It fits rather nicely, I've yet to try it however, only put it together tonight. ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.21 09:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Kam SingDu'k Have I calculated something wrong? bearing in mind I am only testing with DCU 1 because I dont have a DCU II around atm. If you only use the t1 version you obviously get worse results Originally by: king jks Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I No point at all in those - will reduce a BS targeting range not below 12k (range of your nosses) and most cruisers/BCs not under 9k. Will defend your drones somewhat, but not much of a point there if they pop you first. If you want to use damps combine it with an ECM burst.
Kam'Sing Tung	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:15:00 - [40] Since i lost my last pimp pilgrim, had a look and changed a few of its features: Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Domination Webifier 20km Scrambler Phased Muon Sensor Dampener Phased Muon Sensor Dampener Phased Muon Sensor Dampener Corpum A-type Medium Armor Repairer 800 Rolled Tungsten Plate Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 5 x acolyte II 5 x Valkryie II Obviously Looking at these mods shows that it is still unfinished. I am hoping to fit 2 armor repairing rigs to give it a much better repair. However, I took this out to a fight against 2 drakes and a prophecy and it tanked all 3 until reinforcements could arrive and pwn them. The 800 plate is much better than the dual reppers because of the extra armour buff and less reliance on the nosferatu. The resistances are reasonable, Again using 2 True Sansha EANM will only give you an extra 2-3% resists all around, So I am probably more inclined to get the TS nosferatu instead, (which atm are expensive!). I have taken the afterburner off because i've not found it very useful in small group fights, swapped it for the extra ewar, and although the 3 sensor dampeners will not ward off the target you are orbiting, it will stop that missile drake that warps in at 40km etc. Sure change to tracking disruptors if you want but I ahve found this setup to be very useful for the engagements I have been in. Domination Webifier is not really neccessary, but I just use it because I have it And it might be wise to get slave implants, just to give it that much better of a tank, because in the fights I have been in I have been really impressed with how much its tank can hold, mainly because of the nos giving you pretty much unlimited cap if you work it correctly and the corpum repper repping so much for little cap, coupled with the eanm and the energized thermic. Obviously I have Armor Compensation Skills at level 4 to give it the edge. But I am having a lot more fun with this setup than with the dual reppers, even with the high resists it does succumb to death when it runs out of cap quickly.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.05 17:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Deathhawk my setup atm 3x med dim nos 1x cloak 1x ab II 1x fleeting scram 2x TD 1x web 1x med rep II 2x eanm II 1x dcu 1x 800mm plate hammers hobs gonna get a kinetic rig and probs a rep amount rig My setup is very Simaler. I have 1 less TD and, and following in Typical BNC Tradition, put on a Sensor Booster. I also had a Corpum A-Type rep, but replaced it with a t2 one since its value skyrocketed from 100mil to 350mil due to bugged plex's no longer dropping them, but thats another story. Also - I think having a couple of powergrid rigs may be a good thing, so I can fit in a MWD. I have lost out on people MWD/Capboosting away under web. Dam these nanoships :) --
Private Iron Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 17:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Deathhawk my setup atm 3x med dim nos 1x cloak 1x ab II 1x fleeting scram 2x TD 1x web 1x med rep II 2x eanm II 1x dcu 1x 800mm plate hammers hobs gonna get a kinetic rig and probs a rep amount rig heres mine: pilgrim think I will go with something a bit cheaper though -----
Aaron Mirrorsaver	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:22:00 - [43] just what do you use these ships for? fleet combat? small pvp?
Segmentor Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:59:00 - [44] 800mm RT... Nice find there. ---
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Segmentor 800mm RT... Nice find there. They are now fast becoming a common drop. Only yesterday I found them cheaper than Steel Plates II --
Incident UK Corp	Posted - 2007.03.12 18:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Incident on 12/03/2007 18:31:37 My setup atm: High 2 x Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 50w Infectious Power System Malfunction Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium 10mn Afterburner II 20k Warp Scrambler (best named) Caldari Jammer (best named)/ another TD Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Low Corpum A-Type Medium Armour Repairer 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates 2 x EANM II DCU II Oh yeah 5 x Small and 5 x Medium TII drones
HeyRahNah	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:16:00 - [47] As i cannot afford faction kit my pilgrim that i just got is t2 and best named fitted only. Highs CovOps CLoak 3x Med Diminishing nos Mids y-s8 hydrocarbon AB Fleeting Web j5b 7.5km scram 2x Balmer series tracking disruptors (Equal to t2) lows MAR II 2x EANM II DCU II 800mm RT Plate Rigs Anti-kinetic 1 rig Anti-thermal 1 rig I get near 78% to all resists with about 4.5k armor i need to finish getting my armor compensation skills up. Thinking about getting a faction warp disruptor for that little extra range. this fits with about 100PG spare .5 cpu spare for me. tried it out today in a small gang skirmish against a neutron II mega and a domi using berserker IIs. suffice to say i was called primary. the berserker IIs barely scratched me. doing maybe 36dmg on a good hit. and with the 2 tracking disruptors running on the mega while orbiting at about 6k wit nos going he hit me only once in the minute that he lived (had carrier fighters on him) was a wrecking hit for about 432dmg but easily tanked it all with nos going the domi didnt hurt my cap much.
king jks Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:52:00 - [48] Consider swapping the DC II for a faction energized thermal, shadow serpentis ones are 5mil on item exchange, and save you 5 cpu. Swap a nos for a medium best named neutralizer, it will help you take down their cap faster and uses less cpu than a nos. Use the extra CPU to fit a T2 AB and a 20km faint epsilon scram.
MOCC3	Posted - 2007.04.07 04:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Don K Hmm, my setup is like this: Hiqh: 2x med noss t2 1x med neut t2 1x covert ops cloaking (suprice) Med: 1x 20km 1x web 1x capinjector 2x traking disruptors Low: 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane t2 1x Energized Thermic Membrane t2 1x Med rep t2 1x Small rep t2 Have about that ? I cant really find out, if I can do it better... why use a cap injector?
Gaius Vitellius Minmatar Blackwater Consulting	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:11:00 - [50] Okay, I've only got a couple days until I can fly my Pilgrim.. Poking around in the threads (and Quickfit) this is the setup I can fit (with my reasons below) High 1xCov Ops CD 2xMed. Diminishing NOS 1xMed. Unstable Neut Mid 1xJ5 Warp Inhibitor (20k) 2xBalmer TD 1x90% Web 1xMed Cap Booster w/400's 1xCorpum Medium Armor Repairer 1x800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1xDC II 1xEANM T2 1xPDS T2 (Hate putting this here, but short on grid) Rigs Kin and Therm armor resist Drones 5xHammer T2 5xHobs T2 12 Grid/14 CPU remaining 4680 armor, E/T/K/Ex=72/68/72/72 1574.9999284744263 cap, +15.34/s, -36.738/s (+23 cap/sec with booster running) 175.0 m/s 135.8 DPS The booster is there so I can continue to Rep the damage after the other guy's cap is empty. If I change out the Neut for a NOS I can remove the PDS.. But that makes me feel the other guy's cap will hold out too long for comfort. The basic tactics are standard.. Uncloak as close as possible, turn on the goodies, and kick out the drones.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Kruel on 26/04/2007 17:32:11 I like the looks of Private Iron's fit for gang - just replace all that faction stuff with more affordable mods. For solo I like the 2x damp, ecm burst combo... but then again I'd rather solo in a Curse anyway since it's a lot easier to fit a probe launcher. Assuming recon5... 2x medium dim, covops cloak, recon probe launcher named scram, named web, 2x named damp, named ecm burst named/faction mar, 1600mm rt, co-proc II, 2x named/faction eanm Resists are crap and you can't fit tech2 stuff due to lack of cpu, but what the hey... at least it's possible to fit a probe launcher. I think I'll try it when I get recon5 (ie. hell freezes over).
Private Iron	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:08:00 - [52] When I fly a pilgrim I use something like this these days: 3x med dim nos, 1x cloak 1x ab II, 2x balmer td, 1x fleeting web, 1x disruptor 2x 'meditation' rep, 1x 800mm rt plate, 2x eanm II 2x rep amount rigs, maybe one rep amount, one rep duration. It's a beast.
Dalanoria	Posted - 2007.06.03 16:43:00 - [53] ok with current skills and setup.. High: 3x diminishing, 1x cov ops cloak. Mid : Y-T8 mwd,Domination scram (just cause i own one), 2x Phased Muon sensor disrupter, 1 x cetus ecm shockwave. Low : 1 x eanm II, 1x thermal membrane II, 1x 800mm rolled tungstan, 1x refuge adaptive, 1x MAR II Rigs : 1 Kinetic pump, 1 particle dispersion augmentor.. armor:5,050 resist:E/E/K/T 75.01, 75.01, 72.56, 75.93... Global chance to jam target, 45% (higher or lower depending on BS, this is average) Time for target to lock, 61.34 seconds time for me to lock, 4.67 seconds.. Drones: 2x hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II. 2x Ogre II = 261 dps (vs 196 dps with all medium). 1.3 minutes to lock down a ogre, 2.3 minutes to lock down a hammerhead) Thats a 1 vs 1 with a ratter setup....
Zarrika Khan Caldari No Quarter. Academy	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:10:00 - [54] Edited by: Zarrika Khan on 24/06/2007 03:10:09 So has anyone had to change their set ups on this since the EANM cpu change? I used to fit lows with 2 X EAMN II's, 800mm Rolled Tungsten, MAR II, best named Damage control with 0.5 CPU to spare but not any longer since the patch for REV 2. Now I have to fit: Recon 4 (yes the easiest solution is to train Recon 5, I know.) Highs: 2 Medium Diminshing NOS, 1 Medium Nuet (best named of course) Covert Ops Cloak Meds: 10mn AB II, Dark Blood or TS Web for the range, Balmer TD, Faint 20 Km scram, BZ- Caldari specific ECM (with my skills in ECM it works most of the time on Cruisers up to BS's so I am happy. Lows: MAR II, 800mm Tungsten, best named Damage control, N-type Thermic, EANM II I think I have like 3 CPU left (cannot tell the server is down right now) Suggestions? (New 3% CPU hardwirings? Dark Blood/TS EANM or just skill recon 5 and save the ISK) Thanks in Advance. Khan.
Storm Strike	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:28:00 - [55] How much do these corpum reps that everyone is talking about generally cost?
king jks The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.24 05:42:00 - [56] 250-300mil I think, definitely not cheap. But on this subject I have a new fit for rev2: 2x med nos II med unstable neut cloak 10mn AB II faint 20km web 2x balmers TD MAR II 2x EANM II electrostatic thermic plating thingy (best named non energized) 800mm RT thermal, kinetic rigs
Gaius Vitellius Minmatar Blackwater Consulting	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:45:00 - [57] Here is what I figured out for Rev2, be warned it is quite expensive. 1xCov Cloak 3x Med. Dim Nos 1xECM Burst 1xPhased Damper 1x90% web 1x7.5km Scram 1x10mn AB T2 (or faction with the LP store) 1xCorpum A Med Rep 2xTS EANM 1xDCU T2 1x1600mm RT Plate 2xPG rigs gets you 80/80/72/68 resists on 7.5k armor I did the math on the 2xAux pumps + 800mm plate vs 2xPG rigs + 1600mm plate, and the 1600mm wins. If you assume 500dps being dealt (nice round number) against your weakest resist it takes 51 seconds to chew through armor with the 2xPump + 800mm.. with the 1600mm it takes 67 seconds. (that is running the rep the entire time) If you use the +5% CPU implant you can run 1 PG rig + 1 Pump Rig with an 800mm plate and a MWD instead of the AB.. That gives you more speed, but it only gives 47 seconds until armor failure.
Lore Isander Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Lore Isander on 24/06/2007 17:50:12 Pretty much what wasted posted just a bit above: 3x E50 Medium Nos 1x Cov Ops Cloak II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 2x Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I 1x Cetus ECM Burst 1x Medium Armor Rep II 1x 800mm Tungsten 1x Energized Thermic II 1x Energized Kinetic II 1x Refuge Nano Plating 2x Auxiliary Nano Pump 7458 Armor with average resists (Slaves ftw ;)) EDIT: Might try what the above posted said, PG Rigs instead of Rep Amount Rigs and 1600mm Plate. ---
Shir Dramius	Posted - 2007.06.29 18:08:00 - [59] YO! Use T2 Hammerheads or Ogres or Hobgoblins people. The Damage Modifier is high enough to the degree where the weakest resistance on the target is "almost" mute-point. -Shir, out.
Camulos Redne Amarr No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.29 21:39:00 - [60] with a bit of faction gear and recon 4 I've managed to get this thing fitted with web and scrambler + Now I've got the option of... 2xdampners+ecm burst (guessing good for the drone and missile ships and easier to get away if things go wrong) or 2xTD+AB (guessing good for the turret ships) TD setup I'm guessing you're going to have to pick your battles alot more carefully and I really could do with getting a faction web and nos on in that case. The question is with out the range of faction nos and web and repper is the dampner setup better?

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