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PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:02:10 -
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Hi all, I have just returned to the game after an 18 month break to join in with my son and we are loving it! We are not carebears, just want intel!!! We have been ganked twice in a few days, hauling and mining in high sec. All part of the game.......
There was always the risk, but never so much, have also witnessed a few gate ganks too.
BUT has the game changed that much this happens a lot more, or is the a hulkageddon type thing going on we don't know about?? We are practicing the warp drills etc etc but a heads up would be cool!!!!!!
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:06:07 -
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Yeah. Screw the meta game. EVE is now a gankfest. Where once it took intelligence...now it takes two thumbs. Take pride in your love of games of skill! Sell them PLEXES!!
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:09:15 -
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Yes, it has changed a lot :)
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13566
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:11:16 -
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you got smacked by Complaints Department (the mercenaries formerly known as forsaken asylum)
pretty sure you are at war mate. check the war history tab on your corp info.
Better the Devil you know.
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PineRidge Raider
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:16:01 -
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No war, I got gate ganked for 120mil on Amarr to Do' run, and today in a usually very quiet system 2 cat's suicide ganked a solo retriever. also we have seen three high sec ganks in 24 hours, there were always pirates, but never so hectic! MAy as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it.....
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:20:37 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:MAy as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it.....
That's the whole point. You should always be ready for it.
Highsec was AFK central. Thankfully less so now. |

PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:20:44 -
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Todays hit was reasonable people / of sound mind. the hit by complaints dept was them gating a freighter, I just got in the way I guess..... |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:24:33 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:No war, I got gate ganked for 120mil on Amarr to Do' run, and today in a usually very quiet system 2 cat's suicide ganked a solo retriever. also we have seen three high sec ganks in 24 hours, there were always pirates, but never so hectic! MAy as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it.....
that pipe is where a lot (and i mean a lot) of that sort of thing happens.
amarr to dixie is hot most of the time , particularly in and around Uedama.
worth noting theres a bit of drama going on in the merc scene in that area too so best haul cautiously in that pipe i.e. 120mill is waaaaay yo much value for a t1 hauler
Better the Devil you know.
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PineRidge Raider
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:25:20 -
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Top Guac wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:MAy as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it.....
That's the whole point. You should always be ready for it. Highsec was AFK central. Thankfully less so now.
I'm not whining, just wanna make sure we know the score that's all!!!! Shiney new member of corp lost his barge 24 hours after meeting us, thinks we set him up and trying to show him solo mining was the issue, not us. Pity because I am naturally choosy who my son hangs out with!!! Personally I am glad Dull Sec is a little more peppery!
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PineRidge Raider
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:26:27 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:No war, I got gate ganked for 120mil on Amarr to Do' run, and today in a usually very quiet system 2 cat's suicide ganked a solo retriever. also we have seen three high sec ganks in 24 hours, there were always pirates, but never so hectic! MAy as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it.....
that pipe is where a lot (and i mean a lot) of that sort of thing happens. amarr to dixie is hot most of the time , particularly in and around Uedama. worth noting theres a bit of drama going on in the merc scene in that area too so best haul cautiously in that pipe i.e. 120mill is waaaaay yo much value for a t1 hauler
88mil was implants...
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PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:34:08 -
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Thank you for the input though. Personally I would rather my boy learns some of life's lessons in eve, rather than out there!!!  |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:37:48 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:Hi all, I have just returned to the game after an 18 month break to join in with my son and we are loving it! We are not carebears, just want intel!!! We have been ganked twice in a few days, hauling and mining in high sec. All part of the game.......  There was always the risk, but never so much, have also witnessed a few gate ganks too. BUT has the game changed that much this happens a lot more, or is the a hulkageddon type thing going on we don't know about?? We are practicing the warp drills etc etc but a heads up would be cool!!!!!!
Well let's look at forum posts from 18 months ago and see if we can work out whether EVE has actually changed or it's just that you noticed it now that you personally have lost a ship.
(Actually we don't have to look at forum posts from 18 months ago for this.)
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:39:05 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote: 88mil was implants...
i can see that now.
im not getting how they had the right to shoot you without getting concorded though, no one on that kill (or the pod) lost a ship .
were you suspect?
Better the Devil you know.
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PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:43:41 -
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Malcanis wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:Hi all, I have just returned to the game after an 18 month break to join in with my son and we are loving it! We are not carebears, just want intel!!! We have been ganked twice in a few days, hauling and mining in high sec. All part of the game.......  There was always the risk, but never so much, have also witnessed a few gate ganks too. BUT has the game changed that much this happens a lot more, or is the a hulkageddon type thing going on we don't know about?? We are practicing the warp drills etc etc but a heads up would be cool!!!!!! Well let's look at forum posts from 18 months ago and see if we can work out whether EVE has actually changed or it's just that you noticed it now that you personally have lost a ship. (Actually we don't have to look at forum posts from 18 months ago for this.)
I'm not sure what you are getting at there really. Not the first ships I've lost and I'm not complaining that I did at all, makes things more interesting as far as I am concerned. Was just asking the community if suicide ganks for 'little' kills was more of a thing now. I love the way that Eve has to be played as it is, not how you might like it to be. |

PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 21:54:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote: 88mil was implants...
i can see that now. im not getting how they had the right to shoot you without getting concorded though, no one on that kill (or the pod) lost a ship . were you suspect?
LOL, now there is a question! I was smoking, son was flying.... he denies all, another lesson learned for him (I hope). I'm really not complaining about a specific loss, with the crazy PLEX inflation since I had my break I lost less than a half pint of beer or a whiles worth of ratting / mining.
Was just the general question of level of gank activity really, burning two Cats for a random solo retriever seems a bit crazier than it used to be, that's all. Wasn't sure if there was some form of event going on. My son warped out the second there was red on his overview ( I taught him some things quite well, corp mate didn't because he wasn't even aligned as the system 'has always been so quiet why has this happened to me!?' |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:01:42 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5001248#post5001248 |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
43355
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:11:29 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:Was just the general question of level of gank activity really, burning two Cats for a random solo retriever seems a bit crazier than it used to be, that's all. Wasn't sure if there was some form of event going on. My son warped out the second there was red on his overview ( I taught him some things quite well, corp mate didn't because he wasn't even aligned as the system 'has always been so quiet why has this happened to me!?' We just like to figure these things out is all.
There was only 1 catalyst involved in the Retreiver kill (Kaal Khamsi loss), which was a straight gank.
Same with the Heron loss also. That was a straight gank.
However, your Iteron loss is a bit strange, since you were killed and podded but no CONCORD response occurred.
That would imply that you were either (1) at war with Complaints Department, (2) were suspect from something you did, or (3) had a killright against you that they activated, making you suspect.
(3) isn't possible looking at your killboard, so if you aren't at war with Complaints Department, then you must have done something earlier (eg. looted a can) that made you suspect, in which case it wasn't a gank at all, they just killed you because you were a legal target for everyone.
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PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:26:23 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:Was just the general question of level of gank activity really, burning two Cats for a random solo retriever seems a bit crazier than it used to be, that's all. Wasn't sure if there was some form of event going on. My son warped out the second there was red on his overview ( I taught him some things quite well, corp mate didn't because he wasn't even aligned as the system 'has always been so quiet why has this happened to me!?' We just like to figure these things out is all. There was only 1 catalyst involved in the Retreiver kill (Kaal Khamsi loss), which was a straight gank. Same with the Heron loss also. That was a straight gank. However, your Iteron loss is a bit strange, since you were killed and podded but no CONCORD response occurred. That would imply that you were either (1) at war with Complaints Department, (2) were suspect from something you did, or (3) had a killright against you that they activated, making you suspect. (3) isn't possible looking at your killboard and you aren't at war with Complaints Department, so you must have done something earlier (eg. looted a can) that made you suspect, in which case it wasn't a gank at all, they just killed you because you were a legal target for everyone.
I suspect case 2, my son must of poked into the freighter he just saw get ganked regardless of his adolescent protests and denials! Lesson learned, no problem..he really is noob (in the literal sense) after all! At least he got his barge out of the gank. |

PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:27:12 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5001248#post5001248
Thanks Tau, that will save me a lot of typing! |

Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:35:40 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote: 88mil was implants...
i can see that now. im not getting how they had the right to shoot you without getting concorded though, no one on that kill (or the pod) lost a ship . were you suspect? LOL, now there is a question! I was smoking, son was flying.... he denies all, another lesson learned for him (I hope). I'm really not complaining about a specific loss, with the crazy PLEX inflation since I had my break I lost less than a half pint of beer or a whiles worth of ratting / mining. Was just the general question of level of gank activity really, burning two Cats for a random solo retriever seems a bit crazier than it used to be, that's all. Wasn't sure if there was some form of event going on. My son warped out the second there was red on his overview ( I taught him some things quite well, corp mate didn't because he wasn't even aligned as the system 'has always been so quiet why has this happened to me!?' Bottom line: Stop smoking. 
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.01.14 22:39:01 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:I suspect case 2, my son must of poked into the freighter he just saw get ganked regardless of his adolescent protests and denials! Lesson learned, no problem..he really is noob (in the literal sense) after all! At least he got his barge out of the gank. Was he using your account (don't answer that if so)?
You lost the industrial with no CONCORD response.
If your son's character is Kaal Khamsi, then he lost a retreiver to a gank. That one is straight forward.
Your loss is the strange one.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.14 23:35:08 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:May as well play in nullsec, at least always ready for it..... Well organised Null Sec is more profitable and safer than High Sec as Concord is retribution and not help or prevention.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.01.14 23:39:05 -
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There are always wormholes and low sec if null and high sec proves boring.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2016.01.14 23:48:29 -
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if anything ganking feels down to me, maybe a bit of a spike around Christmas. I have absolutely nothing to back that up with though.
imo it is pretty hard to get ganked if you fly smart. T1 haulers and mining barges are typically not smart. I mostly treat highsec like it is lowsec (although way less d-scan spam). A low isk/ehp ratio is important, as well as always activating resist mods. Not leaving huge resist holes helps too. That said it is still pretty easy for dedicated gankers to get you, however they typically won't put in the effort for a low reward, especially since there is so much low hanging fruit still around.
Some examples: A dual invlun + bastion golem has roughly 80k EHP, with everything off it is under 40k. Now imagine a worst case gank. an EMP nado + Fusion nado and you are very probably in structure where a third can finish you off. Pre-bastion mode I could solo kill a kronos with an EXP hole in a torp raven. With bastion I'm not sure if I could get a third volley off or not, don't know if I would need to either?
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:31:41 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:Thank you for the input though. Personally I would rather my boy learns some of life's lessons in eve, rather than out there!!! 
Are you sure about that? Would you be happy to know that 5-10 years from now that your son has become a corp embezzler, scam artist, purse snatcher or a car hijacker all thanks to the villianize mentality he develop while playing a game like Eve??
Personally I don't think a person younger than 21 should be playing a cutthroat game like Eve. |

PineRidge Raider
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:45:20 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:Thank you for the input though. Personally I would rather my boy learns some of life's lessons in eve, rather than out there!!!  Are you sure about that? Would you be happy to know that 5-10 years from now that your son has become a corp embezzler, scam artist, purse snatcher or a car hijacker all thanks to the villianize mentality he develop while playing a game like Eve?? Personally I don't think a person younger than 21 should be playing a cutthroat game like Eve.
I was thinking more of avoiding being the victim; solo mining with no precautions / walking down a quiet street with his I fone out. As for whether being in a violent and corrupt game universe will make him violent and corrupt IRL, studies seem to prove that is not the case at all. His COD kdr is impressive, but he hasn't seemed too murderous so far... Interesting thought though. |

Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:45:39 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote: I suspect case 2, my son must of poked into the freighter he just saw get ganked regardless of his adolescent protests and denials!
I believe that right there is where your problems lyes. That son of yours is probably using your accounts to do all sorts of devious antics and then he denies it with a straight face.
Next he'll learn to forge your signature and use your credit cards to purchase expensive gifts for his pals and girlfriends. And when you come to confront him (even with conclusive evidence), he'll still deny it with a straight face.
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:46:53 -
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PineRidge Raider wrote:thinks we set him up and trying to show him solo mining was the issue, not us.
Actually the issue was where and how he was mining. Ive mined in high sec with covetors and an orca in the belt for months in the past year without even seeing a ganked on grid, let alone actually being ganked. Just gotta be smart about it instead of setting up 90% afk in a busy .5 system.
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PineRidge Raider
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:47:18 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote: 88mil was implants...
i can see that now. im not getting how they had the right to shoot you without getting concorded though, no one on that kill (or the pod) lost a ship . were you suspect? LOL, now there is a question! I was smoking, son was flying.... he denies all, another lesson learned for him (I hope). I'm really not complaining about a specific loss, with the crazy PLEX inflation since I had my break I lost less than a half pint of beer or a whiles worth of ratting / mining. Was just the general question of level of gank activity really, burning two Cats for a random solo retriever seems a bit crazier than it used to be, that's all. Wasn't sure if there was some form of event going on. My son warped out the second there was red on his overview ( I taught him some things quite well, corp mate didn't because he wasn't even aligned as the system 'has always been so quiet why has this happened to me!?' Bottom line: Stop smoking. 
Maybe that was what he was thinking too!!! |

PineRidge Raider
7 SEAS INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:50:40 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:PineRidge Raider wrote: I suspect case 2, my son must of poked into the freighter he just saw get ganked regardless of his adolescent protests and denials!
I believe that right there is where your problems lyes. That son of yours is probably using your accounts to do all sorts of devious antics and then he denies it with a straight face. Next he'll learn to forge your signature and use your credit cards to purchase expensive gifts for his pals and girlfriends. And when you come to confront him (even with conclusive evidence), he'll still deny it with a straight face.
I think you misunderstood. I was in the back yard smoking, he was at the helm for 5 mins and..... As suggested earlier it may have been a ploy to reduce my smoking, that's much more likely in him.. |
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