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rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 14:53:01 - [1] - Quote to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 8013	Posted - 2016.01.15 14:59:15 - [2] - Quote Doc is fairly sure it was someone at CCP. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 14:59:59 - [3] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Doc is fairly sure it was someone at CCP. thx m8
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 516	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:08:43 - [4] - Quote Whoever it was, give the guy a Medal!
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13345	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:15:42 - [5] - Quote Seems to me there is a high probability given the words of the 1st post of this thread that someone recently found themselves scrambled by a HIC. Seems equally likely that if this did occur, the poster in question knows not of ECM, ECM drones, target lock breakers (for certain ships) are any of the myriad others tools the game has he cold have used against a scramming HIC...not to mention the strongest weapon if "don't let a HIC scram you in the 1st place".
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7389	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:16:27 - [6] - Quote rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13345	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:19:57 - [7] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. Actually HICs can mount monster tanks., way more than any HAC.
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 176	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:36:05 - [8] - Quote Currently training Heavy Interdiction Cruisers Level 5 Finishes 2016-01-24 09:37 8d 18h 9m 7s Remaining I've been training to use one for a little while... well "*Onyx" No ideas how to fit it yet.. still need to do some research EVEBoard ...Just over 30million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO*...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 505	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:36:16 - [9] - Quote I do love hics.
Fat Buddah Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:41:02 - [10] - Quote very simple. you want to either outtank the HIC, outDPS the HIC, or outnumber the HIC

Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7389	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:42:10 - [11] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. Actually HICs can mount monster tanks., way more than any HAC. Huh, I don't use em but the guys who do that I've flown with said for tank, they'd prefer t1 cruisers. I'll have to take a look myself now. So conflict, many confuses. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:47:22 - [12] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. Actually HICs can mount monster tanks., way more than any HAC. Huh, I don't use em but the guys who do that I've flown with said for tank, they'd prefer t1 cruisers. I'll have to take a look myself now. So conflict, many confuses. 90k EHP isn't hard to achieve with Broadsword or Onyx. That kind of buffer also comes with a huge passive regen, too. Also, note that I was flying a destroyer on this occasion. So tanking him, outdps'ing him, ecm'ing him, etc. were not exactly options that I had.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7390	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:50:46 - [13] - Quote rodensteiner wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. Actually HICs can mount monster tanks., way more than any HAC. Huh, I don't use em but the guys who do that I've flown with said for tank, they'd prefer t1 cruisers. I'll have to take a look myself now. So conflict, many confuses. 90k EHP isn't hard to achieve with Broadsword or Onyx. That kind of buffer also comes with a huge passive regen, too. Also, note that I was flying a destroyer on this occasion. So tanking him, outdps'ing him, ecm'ing him, etc. were not exactly options that I had. Well you'll get that with any cruiser if you're in a destroyer really, unless it's really really bad, or you're in a t3d. Dual web and scram on a dual rep vexor will knock your socks clean off. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 15:56:38 - [14] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Well you'll get that with any cruiser if you're in a destroyer really, unless it's really really bad, or you're in a t3d. Dual web and scram on a dual rep vexor will knock your socks clean off. Wasn't trying to fight him, just wanted to get away. I probably could have gatecrashed, but I tried to burn out of his bubble instead. HICs can fit more than one bubble, though, so that didn't work.
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:02:31 - [15] - Quote I think HICs were strong already, and are now even stronger, but the scrambling capability just seems too much. Why would I fly a Lachesis, for instance? I could take an Onyx, and have a ship that has 80k+ EHP with a 200dps regen, can scramble to almost 40km, and do 500+ dps with RLML.
Cristl 284	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:25:32 - [16] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. What?! HICs are designed to fly into the heart of an enemy fleet and pin down supers. That pisses the enemy fleet off quite a bit, so they are given, and deserve, a heavy tank. I'm undecided on the mega-range scram though. Needs longer testing.
Armtoe Arton Yachting and Angling Club Domain Research and Mining Inst. 424	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:37:28 - [17] - Quote rodensteiner wrote: I think HICs were strong already, and are now even stronger, but the scrambling capability just seems too much. Why would I fly a Lachesis, for instance? I could take an Onyx, and have a ship that has 80k+ EHP with a 200dps regen, can scramble to almost 40km, and do 500+ dps with RLML. Lachesis has dscan immunity. But imo - it could use some love. OTH I love hics - kitty little ships flitting around are annoying.
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:44:56 - [18] - Quote Cristl wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? "Super tanky cruiser" Nope, not really. You're thinking of HACs. HICs are kinda meh. What?! HICs are designed to fly into the heart of an enemy fleet and pin down supers. That pisses the enemy fleet off quite a bit, so they are given, and deserve, a heavy tank. I'm undecided on the mega-range scram though. Needs longer testing. That's all I'm saying. I realize the importance of HIC's to large scale battles, so the tank and infinipoint and all is great. I just think the long range scram effect is over the top.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26720	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:48:19 - [19] - Quote Naaah. It should scram with the field instead of with the focused script. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:48:30 - [20] - Quote Armtoe wrote: rodensteiner wrote: I think HICs were strong already, and are now even stronger, but the scrambling capability just seems too much. Why would I fly a Lachesis, for instance? I could take an Onyx, and have a ship that has 80k+ EHP with a 200dps regen, can scramble to almost 40km, and do 500+ dps with RLML. Lachesis has dscan immunity. But imo - it could use some love. OTH I love hics - kitty little ships flitting around are annoying. Try being on the receiving end, though. Flying small ships is becoming increasingly difficult, and speed is usually the only thing we've got on our side to stay alive...being able to be scrammed from almost 40km is just another thing on top of the long webs, long neuts, drones, RLML's, etc. Heck, even Big Miker just said in his video (free plug for Ferocious 8.0!) that all he's been flying is his Nightmare because of the HIC changes.

Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 517	Posted - 2016.01.15 17:13:40 - [21] - Quote Don't engage a HIC in a paper tanked racing ship. Scout gates. Problem solved.
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 17:29:53 - [22] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Don't engage a HIC in a paper tanked racing ship. Scout gates. Problem solved. Solo destroyer = no scouts. Also, why would you think I was trying to engage him?
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 518	Posted - 2016.01.15 17:37:34 - [23] - Quote No scouts, you die in Gatecamps. That used to be common knowledge. Kids these days...
King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 90	Posted - 2016.01.15 17:41:51 - [24] - Quote rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? Awwww did someone ruin your "Kite all the things" doctrine? NaCl is potent here
rodensteiner Sect of the Crimson Eisa 13	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:10:04 - [25] - Quote King Aires wrote: rodensteiner wrote: to let them shut down mwd's now? Like, who sat there and thought "hey, lets take a super tanky cruiser, and give it the ability to warp scramble up to 37.5km (or even 40km)" ? Awwww did someone ruin your "Kite all the things" doctrine? NaCl is potent here Bringing out all the original comebacks
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 176	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:13:39 - [26] - Quote Make better use of D-scan, nothing should be able to catch you, if you leave a sight before anything is close. When using gates - Always use a scout, if you don't want to take a risk. EVEBoard ...Just over 30million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9784	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:20:08 - [27] - Quote Celise Katelo wrote: Make better use of D-scan, nothing should be able to catch you, if you leave a sight before anything is close. When using gates - Always use a scout, if you don't want to take a risk. Huh? A Destroyer is a perfectly acceptable scout. Are you saying that you need a frig to scout your destroyer? That would be taking multi-boxing to ridiculous levels, in my opinion. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Memphis Baas 939	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:20:30 - [28] - Quote There are other ships that project long range ewar effects, and even warp disruption, so basically I doubt they'll change the HIC the way you like. As a matter of fact, they seem to be going the opposite way: they've added other "unfair" effects, such as ships that have the capability to drag your ship with them as they microjump 100km away, thereby forcing you off the undock point or way far away from the gate. And this dragging can be chained, if they have multiple ships; you can easily find yourself dragged to the next grid. EDIT: Maybe with the disabling effect that scrams and the HIC script have, they'll reconsider some of the negative side-effects of installing MWDs, and un-nerf them a little. But I doubt it, and the mwd is probably ok the way it is.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10285	Posted - 2016.01.15 18:59:29 - [29] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I'll say this much too, if this is true, then they probably need a nerf to their tank. T2 are supposed to be specialised, and giving a heavy interdictor a better than than a HAC, ie something specialised for catching stuff for the fleet, is akin to giving an interceptor a better tank than an assault frigate. IMO. Balance and all that, seems whack to me if they're getting better tanks than HACs. Do you even know what these ships are supposed to do? They are heavy interdiction cruisers, meaning they're basically supposed to stay in one place and take a beating while pinning other targets down - that is their intended purpose, and there is absolutely no problem in that regard. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6213	Posted - 2016.01.15 19:32:16 - [30] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Doc is fairly sure it was someone at CCP. JP is pretty certain that Docs way of thinking is right. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club



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