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Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Logan Williams I think it's really quite peculiar that you can so freely give out information which has nothing to do with your corp or with the others asking those questions. Keep the map up and please don't volunter information you gain on a TRUSTED, NON-INVOLVED level. It was posted publicly on the forums, I remember reading it a while back.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:18:00 - [32] Quote: I also think that asking for favors "Show as alliance X" is also not good and that the map should be reflected on a "as-is" basis. Now, this isn't quite fair. There is plenty of precident for an alliance claiming "sovereignty" per the game mechanics but still conceeding that the space really "belongs" to someone else. How this got to be standard practice, I don't know, but I don't think there's any disputing that it is standard practice these days. If GoonSwarm really does consider Scalding Pass to be RA space, and not their own, there is nothing wrong with them requesting that that be reflected on the map IMO. I was just wondering whether their intention was to reassert themselves as a "first tier" region holding alliance, or whether they were content to be "under" RA as Fix, Xeles, and many others live in space claimed by a "first tier" alliance under whatever arrangement.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:20:00 - [33] Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/01/2007 22:20:09 Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: DB Preacher D2 are not a threat, they can't even organise the destruction of the single Outbreak Pos sitting in their space for a month. It's not even like they are doing anything else. Everyone knows my extensive thoughts on D2 anyway so I won't repeat the rest. Did it ever occur to you that there could be a very good reason why for example IRON didn't kick ISS out of Pure Blind or other Northern entities aren't jumping the gun on kicking out all possible hostile forces (triumvirate comes to mind as an example). You clearly need more spy alts. What the heck are you talking about? I was talking about D2. IRON don't even register on my list of carebear alliances these days. Either way, neither your statement or this one is on topic ;P Originally by: Drusus Rensus Well, I'm trying to read and understand. On the one hand you're saying you don't speak for BoB, on the other hand it sure looked like you were saying what BoB was going to do. Do you not understand the difference between someone saying "I personally" and "BoB"? If you don't then please don't quote my comments back to me in future because you will more than likely have misunderstand them in the first place, Cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Drusus Rensus Quote: I also think that asking for favors "Show as alliance X" is also not good and that the map should be reflected on a "as-is" basis. Now, this isn't quite fair. There is plenty of precident for an alliance claiming "sovereignty" per the game mechanics but still conceeding that the space really "belongs" to someone else. How this got to be standard practice, I don't know, but I don't think there's any disputing that it is standard practice these days. That's because it's a political map, not a military one. If you want to know who actually has sovereignty then check the ingame map, and if you want to know who actually lives there, go fly down and look yourself ;)
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:30:00 - [35] Every time I read yet more DB Preacher backpedaling I just laugh, I wonder who he thinks he's fooling.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:33:00 - [36] Originally by: DB Preacher Do you not understand the difference between someone saying "I personally" and "BoB"? If you don't then please don't quote my comments back to me in future because you will more than likely have misunderstand them in the first place, Cheers, dbp I understand English pretty well DBP. Where do you find "in my opinion" in: Quote: For the moment, we are leaving syndicate but we will continue to monitor the GoonSwarm and should we feel that they have done anything of note in the game, we will destroy it. I am sure that some of those remaining GoonSwarm members will be rejoicing at having survived this long against us but I can only ask you were you have been recently. Keep watching Goons, because we will. We will be back, with gangs, with fleets, with BoB. We command your game now. As long as you remain in GoonSwarm, we make you play our way and nothing you say will really convince yourself that this isn't true. Maybe I'm confused, but I don't see it. Were you using the royal "We" (meaning you) like the Queen does? Look. I may not have been playing this game for as long as you have, and so I can't fit a uber leet t-2 watchamathingie, but I'm not dumb, and I can parse a sentence or two in English. How about you show a little character, and just admit that maybe your alligator mouth wrote a check that you behind can't cash. Nothing wrong with that. We've all been guilty once in a while. Or not. Frankly, it's not all that important to me. I didn't bring BoB into this thread, nor was I really interested in how even this part of the universe revolves around BoB. I was more interested in what was going on with GoonSwarm, since it seemed like people had written them off as a power. Have a nice day.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:36:00 - [37] Someone is getting desperate.. - WeComeInPeace Video
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:37:00 - [38] Originally by: DB Preacher I was talking about D2. IRON don't even register on my list of carebear alliances these days. Aww, bless.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:46:00 - [39] Edited by: Rebellion on 24/01/2007 22:44:41 So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? I don't want "personal opinions". If you give personal opinions, then we'll probably just send in one person. We're talking about alliances attacking alliances, so I want alliance statements. Don't be shy now.
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:47:00 - [40] Edited by: Kharakan on 24/01/2007 22:43:51 Oooh, ooh, oooh! Erm... Star Fraction, they talk too much (EDIT: For some of the more humorless gits out there, this is advance warning that the above is a joke. Kthx.) this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Rebellion So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? ISS! They are almost as tough as ASCN! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Rebellion So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? I was thinking you should probably conquer Empire. Of course, you could let the Gallante, Caldari, Amar, etc. continue to claim sovereignty, but everyone would know that it was really your space. How cool is that?
Califax Oman Mining Bytes Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:54:00 - [43] Bob Vs Empire Is it possible to do such a thing? I have seen event staff do stuff in 0.0 like the Guristas helping F-E and such agianst G but Bob vs Amarr Empire (cause its close) would make for some interesting write ups. *** Sig Starts Here http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m283/Mimic-G/Califax-Final.jpg
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:58:00 - [44] Oh, stop being cute. If the first post was changed to say "Pure demands that BoB attack the goons or we will call them pansies straight to their face without bothering to create ambiguous threads with transparent innuendos that we can't be forthright about", it would save this thread a lot of superfluous coyness.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:00:00 - [45] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 23:01:16 Originally by: Rebellion Oh, stop being cute. If the first post was changed to say "Pure demands that BoB attack the goons or we will call them pansies straight to their face without bothering to create ambiguous threads with transparent innuendos that we can't be forthright about", it would save this thread a lot of superfluous coyness. I tried that, but the box for the title was too short. Here's your hat. edit: Since someone is trying to pull my alliance into this at this point, I should point out that nowhere in this thread have I claimed to be speaking for my alliance, or making any statements about what my alliance will do, did do, or would like anyone else to do. My words are my own, and mine alone.
Khavi Vetali Gallente Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:03:00 - [46] I think it would be incredibly interesting to have Bob and RA duke it out. But really, I don't care.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/01/2007 23:25:43 Originally by: Logan Williams I think it's really quite peculiar that you can so freely give out information which has nothing to do with your corp or with the others asking those questions. Keep the map up and please don't volunter information you gain on a TRUSTED, NON-INVOLVED level. Did you miss the part where everyone can actually look at the map? If Goonswarm wanted to keep such information confidential they really shouldn't have posted it in a public forum. So crawl back under your rock troll. Originally by: Logan Williams I also think that asking for favors "Show as alliance X" is also not good and that the map should be reflected on a "as-is" basis. I'm confused, did i miss the memo where you opinion on the matter became even remotely relevant? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Eiro Minmatar ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Drusus Rensus Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 21:20:12 Well, I'm trying to read and understand. On the one hand you're saying you don't speak for BoB, on the other hand it sure looked like you were saying what BoB was going to do. You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Originally by: DB Preacher Regardless of what peeps think on these boards, I am but another mere cog in BoB's wheel. I am neither the drive shaft, nor the steering wheel nor a driver. If you're asking him to deliver a message he was never given, you're probably out of luck. Eiro
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/01/2007 23:25:43 Originally by: Logan Williams I think it's really quite peculiar that you can so freely give out information which has nothing to do with your corp or with the others asking those questions. Keep the map up and please don't volunter information you gain on a TRUSTED, NON-INVOLVED level. Did you miss the part where everyone can actually look at the map? If Goonswarm wanted to keep such information confidential they really shouldn't have posted it in a public forum. So crawl back under your rock troll. Originally by: Logan Williams I also think that asking for favors "Show as alliance X" is also not good and that the map should be reflected on a "as-is" basis. I'm confused, did i miss the memo where you opinion on the matter became even remotely relevant? burned. _ Your sig is pwn - Eris
Crusis	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:49:00 - [50] For the record, Drusus is merely speculating and making conversation. When he says that he doesn't speak for PURE, that is exactly what he means. All PURE diplomatic issues will be handled via our website at forum.pure-alliance.com Any material for public dissemination will be issued either by our President or the CEO of the corporation making the statement. Crusis CEO Viper Intel Squad PURE. Alliance

Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Eiro You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Yep, you're right. I inferred it from what he said. Maybe he was delivering the official BoB message back when, and now keeping Goon under their thumb isn't as feasible as they were boasting so they have to come up with all this tortured logic about how them holding an entire region doesn't qualify as "building up in 0.0 at all". Or, maybe it was just DBP's opinion about what BoB would do. Don't know. Don't really care. As DBP said my question was answered a long time ago. Threads are kind of like sea-monkeys around here. If you add a little water, they turn into BoB threads and start swimming around on their own. Drusus
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Drusus Rensus Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 25/01/2007 00:13:59 Originally by: Eiro You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Yep, you're right. I inferred it from what he said. Maybe he was delivering the official BoB message back when, and now keeping Goon under their thumb isn't as feasible as they were boasting so they have to come up with all this tortured logic about how them holding an entire region doesn't qualify as "building up in 0.0 at all". Or, maybe it was just DBP's opinion about what BoB would do. Don't know. Don't really care. As DBP said my question was answered a long time ago (though it would have been cool if someone from Goon came on and talked a little about their accomplishments and aspirations). Threads are kind of like sea-monkeys around here. If you add a little water, they turn into BoB threads and start swimming around on their own. Drusus Or just maybe, like dbp actually stated in his reply, BoB will decide when they make their move to punish Goons again. Nowhere did they say and noone but the most stupid would think BoB had no other things to care about but to wait for Goons to finally erect a few towers to claim sov somewhere. BoB just had a war with ASCN and now other things are on their schedule. For one thing i really doubt they are done with Goons yet but i also - in my opinion - believe that they arent foolish enough to rush into something just because some bored forum ppl think they broke their word by not acting in an eyeblink. Yet this post is not even covering the political situation in the south, a situation BoB is well aware of which makes an all out strike, atleast at this point of time, unlikely (once again in my limited view on things). Lets wait for goonswarms first 10ish+few outposts, their first 100 cap ships and first 200 large sov claiming deathstar pos before we judge if it should be time for bobs move. Since thats the weightclass they are punching in and what they consider significant.
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:51:00 - [53] Edited by: Hey You on 25/01/2007 00:49:41 Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Drusus Rensus Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 25/01/2007 00:13:59 Originally by: Eiro You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Yep, you're right. I inferred it from what he said. Maybe he was delivering the official BoB message back when, and now keeping Goon under their thumb isn't as feasible as they were boasting so they have to come up with all this tortured logic about how them holding an entire region doesn't qualify as "building up in 0.0 at all". Or, maybe it was just DBP's opinion about what BoB would do. Don't know. Don't really care. As DBP said my question was answered a long time ago (though it would have been cool if someone from Goon came on and talked a little about their accomplishments and aspirations). Threads are kind of like sea-monkeys around here. If you add a little water, they turn into BoB threads and start swimming around on their own. Drusus Or just maybe, like dbp actually stated in his reply, BoB will decide when they make their move to punish Goons again. Nowhere did they say and noone but the most stupid would think BoB had no other things to care about but to wait for Goons to finally erect a few towers to claim sov somewhere. BoB just had a war with ASCN and now other things are on their schedule. For one thing i really doubt they are done with Goons yet but i also - in my opinion - believe that they arent foolish enough to rush into something just because some bored forum ppl think they broke their word by not acting in an eyeblink. Yet this post is not even covering the political situation in the south, a situation BoB is well aware of which makes an all out strike, atleast at this point of time, unlikely (once again in my limited view on things). Lets wait for goonswarms first 10ish+few outposts, their first 100 cap ships and first 200 large sov claiming deathstar pos before we judge if it should be time for bobs move. Since thats the weightclass they are punching in and what they consider significant. couldn't write better post myself i am always amazed by amount of people that think just because their alliance sucks, have no home etc, and because they are bored now in their EvE game play that they can now come on forums and dictate when someone and why someone should attack someone in this game... To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:57:00 - [54] What's that goon goal again? 50+ dreads by spring?
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Rebellion We may be arrogant, but not that arrogant to insult every 0.0 player group in EVE like that. hahahaha I liked this bit.. so I quoted it - Igneus Auctorita Video -
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Eiro Originally by: Drusus Rensus Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 21:20:12 Well, I'm trying to read and understand. On the one hand you're saying you don't speak for BoB, on the other hand it sure looked like you were saying what BoB was going to do. You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Originally by: DB Preacher Regardless of what peeps think on these boards, I am but another mere cog in BoB's wheel. I am neither the drive shaft, nor the steering wheel nor a driver. If you're asking him to deliver a message he was never given, you're probably out of luck. Eiro Thanks Eiro, saved me having to try and use a hammer to get him to understand. Much appreciated sir, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Crusis For the record, Drusus is merely speculating and making conversation. When he says that he doesn't speak for PURE, that is exactly what he means. All PURE diplomatic issues will be handled via our website at forum.pure-alliance.com Any material for public dissemination will be issued either by our President or the CEO of the corporation making the statement. Crusis CEO Viper Intel Squad PURE. Alliance Unfortunately that's not how it works in EVE. If your member is going to talk on these forums, then your alliance better be prepared to back up those words in game, because quite frankly, most targets get picked on the forums by most people. If there's a corp and alliance label under the portrait in CAOD portion of these forums, the portrait represent that corporation and alliance. Maybe someone should explained that to your members before thereÆs a blob your local. The truth will set you free
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:23:00 - [58] Edited by: Faith Black on 25/01/2007 01:22:08 Originally by: Kcel Chim BoB just had a war with ASCN and now other things are on their schedule. For one thing i really doubt they are done with Goons yet but i also - in my opinion - believe that they arent foolish enough to rush into something just because some bored forum ppl think they broke their word by not acting in an eyeblink. Yet this post is not even covering the political situation in the south, a situation BoB is well aware of which makes an all out strike, atleast at this point of time, unlikely (once again in my limited view on things). Agree. BoB isn't stupid and they see this 'But you said Goonfleet won't control space anymore' of some bob haters just as smack, which it is and they surely won't let it dictate their plans. People should know BoB and the BoB arrogance good enough by now. They make, follow and surely also delay or change their plans, if that's in their interest, no matter if that doesn't represent exactly anymore, what they said some months ago. I bet if they'd attack Goonfleet in like one year and win and some smacker states: 'But you said they 'd never control space anymore, but they've been controlling it for one year.' then BoBs reaction will only be something like: 'Who cares, they are dead.' ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 24/01/2007 22:44:41 So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? AAA. Its that simple. They are the biggest and nearest threat to BOB. The north would be the first, but the server can't sustine 300+ship Blobs against a BOB hulk mining veld in pure blind. RAGOON would be second, but its not spring yet :). --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Coasterbrian Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Rebellion So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? I don't want "personal opinions". If you give personal opinions, then we'll probably just send in one person. We're talking about alliances attacking alliances, so I want alliance statements. Don't be shy now. You're never gonna get an alliance level statement. Anyway, I'd like to see BoB attack RA. Or CA. Flip a coin. Dead alliances should stay dead.



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