[quote=EvilweaselFinance]
Is this pay-to-win, though? It depends on whether you consider SP = win. I do not.

But, I do think that this change is a bad idea, because too many players, esp. newer players, do think that way.

We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits [...]

try to think about it not from an experienced player's perspective

but from a new player.


we get into the game, we get the basic stuff......and then we have 2 weeks of NOTHING until we can use more ships.

2 weeks PER ship. (cov ops, t3 destroyers, mining barge)
and thats not even including all of the skills needed to make them useful (like covert ops, or basic weapon skills)


those 2 weeks are a major reason its hard to get into the game, as people leave cause they get bored w8ing.


with skill points to buy, i can spend my time mining in venture, while using that ore to sell for isk, to buy skill points, to make the 2 weeks turn into 5 days.

and thus, i'm being encouraged to PLAY.

if i can mine 5b in the 2 weeks it took me to train to mining barge. then thats proof a new player can afford to buy skill injectors to speed it up.


the only combat ships i really have are hurricane...and kestrel of coarse(but kestrel isn't worth much in low sec....unless u want to die)




P.S. i mostly operate out of a wormhole....

variety of stuff we find in the wormhole.

have an orca to hold it(not mine). plus i can use mining drones due to the fleet protection.

that 5b is also including the isk from the sleeper drones who come at us and drop those lovely high priced drops. and even higher priced salvage.

[...]

so WHAT do you want from EVE

do you want more people playing the game? -aka what CCP is trying to do. (its MMO for a reason. game devs try to catch new players up to older to balance out the playing field. like how GW2 lowered the exp cost to level. or WoW made past expansions free for subscribers. or how SWTOR made leveling more streamlined. or WoT released tier 8 prem tanks)

or do you want more people playign skill que online. stayign docked. and not interacting with the game. (aka game right now)

My main gripe with SP trading as I understand it is that people with a greater expendable income can buy SP then will be able to out perform others who can not, given that both payers start off with similar amounts of SP, how is that no pay to win.? It's pay to out advance players with no extra income at the very least.

ItGÇÿs clear that itGÇÿs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weGÇÿve come up with a strategy that weGÇÿve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community.

Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be that anything that doesnGÇÿt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means.

So, character 1 invests TIME to get a year of training and fly Falcon / Tengu / whatever.
Character 2 invests MONEY to get the same damn skills trained and fly the same damn Falcon / Tengu / whatever.

Where exactly is the "unfair advantage"? One invests money, the other invests time, both end up being able to use the same damn ship with the same capabilities.

Actually, as hashed earlier, the TIME guy gets the advantage of enough time to find join a corp / make friends to fly with, which are things that cannot be bought by the MONEY guy (well, maybe mercenaries, if they can be trusted once hired). So again, no advantage.

This is a stupid point. Have you ever been in a 1v1 fight? The last thing you should be doing is calculating the other guy's skill points. RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL and overheat all the things. That's what you need to be thinking about. A fight between two people with the exact same ships, fits, and SP, almost never happens. Someone always has an advantage. That's the name of the game... Theory crafting an unusual fit will win you more fight than a 5% increase to DPS for 20 days skill training to level V.

So how can you class eve now the skill gate has been removed.

Previously it did not matter how wealthy you were in game or real life and the bazaar offered certain buyer beware concerns to gaining a character worked on by a previous owner.

We have the standard ( what now seems like f2p ) version that at best you can accumulate 2700 ph and generally work the markets / pvp / pve / mine - In for the long haul True EvE style.

Pay CCP subscription

OR

Pay CCP - Extractors
Pay plex - aurum - Extractors
Pay plex - aurum - skins
Pay plex- Injectors - skill points - accelerated toon
Pay plex - Isk - Ships
Pay plex - Isk - Modules
Pay plex - Isk - ????

and

Pay CCP subscription

Its definitely pay 2 something ....... laugh there bollox off all the way to the bank.