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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:10:33 -
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A couple months ago we introduced the idea of Skill Trading which resulted in lots of valuable feedback. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, we would like to be add Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release.
Please read the latest blog from CCP Rise and Team Size Matters Skill trading in New Eden for all the details.
We welcome all your feedback, thank you!
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6905
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:17:30 -
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Good stuff, thanks for the details 
Now for wrangling over the >80mil SP getting 150k out of the packet's 500k....
Quote:We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
Quote:Specifically, we changed the 3rd bracket which used to give 200,000 to now give 300,000, and the final bracket which used to give 50,000 to 150,000.
I love you.
Still waiting on at least one more critical parameter though, the AUR cost. It has been assumed all over the place... as you know from the other thread.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2294
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:19:37 -
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Very happy to see CCP moving forward with this idea. It brings a much-needed depth of granularity to the process of trading ISK for SP that is unabashedly good for the game.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2294
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:21:52 -
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Also, any ideas on what the Aurum price for the extractors will be? I won't hold anyone to a specific number; just curious if y'all had put any thought into it.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6905
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:24:28 -
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It's an interesting mechanic where older players may gain less SP (and indeed due to how skills work ie: Ving) and may get less out of each SP are better able to pay for it.
Of course this is different if you have older players making newer alts (which have low SP), but then this is similar to the case of feeding your newbies SP... well, you still have to hand them a t1 ewar frigate so they can tracking disrupt machariels in lowsec...
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
467
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:25:08 -
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OK, My question is simple.
After you remove the skill points to 0 in those skills you no longer want, can you remove the skill from your skillsheet.
I do not want a bunch of 0 level skills showing up. Why remove skill points if you can not remove the skill itself.
Please answer this CCP.
R.I.P. Vile Rat
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
192
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:28:11 -
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I approve
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Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:34:11 -
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Pay-to-win micro transactions creeping into Eve.
A sad day. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2294
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:35:11 -
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Julien Brellier wrote:Pay-to-win micro transactions creeping into Eve.
A sad day.
Considering the SP being passed around has to come from players training the skills at the normal rate, how is this any more "pay-to-win" than the character bazaar?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6905
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:36:06 -
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Julien Brellier wrote:Pay-to-win micro transactions creeping into Eve.
A sad day.
Kneejerk reactions in eveo
Ah this happens every day
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
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Soltys
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:37:09 -
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Hell yes.
Though I'd really suggest lessening diminishing returns further. 20% penalty for main SP bracket is kind of a lot - considering AUR costs (whatever they will be) and considering that decently skilled essential support/misc skills are starting with more or less 15m SP.
Consider:
- 0 - 5 : no penalty (500,000) (seriously though, this bracket doesn't even make sense ... 5m char sp is a cripple/cannon fodder)
- 5 - 50 : 10% penalty (450,000)
- 50 - +inf : 20% penalty (400,000)
And the question everyone has - what kind of AUR price for the extractor are you aiming at ?
Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
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Emilia Zapata
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:39:08 -
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A few questions:
Both skill extraction and SP injection will work instantaneously, correct?
Will it be possible to extract skills which are prerequisites for other trained skills?
If so, will the higher level skills still work the same as before? |
Conjaq
Osoroshii Akatsuki
Quam'Nocent
15
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:41:36 -
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Fantastic idea.
Now I can bring friends in and give them a start up boost so we can get playing instantly with no initial wait Time I can't express how cool an idea this is.
On the other hand, as a long time(and extremely loyal customer) I feel I'm getting the short end of the stick, why does the SP penalty have to be so severe,just because I got more SP than new guys?
However I'll still use it, just to boost things I would otherwise not train because of other priorities.. I just don't understand the reasoning behind the diminishing returns. |
Buba Neagra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:41:41 -
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How much SP exactly will extract the "skill extractor" from a char above 80 mil SP?
If I use the "skill extractor" on a char above 80 mil SP and want to use the extracted SP on the same char to boost some other skills that means I will lose SP overall since I will be able to inject only 150k ? |
Ralph Drake
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:42:32 -
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Please, CCP, let us be able to remove 0-skill-points skills from our sheet. I don't want the skill book back or anything, I am just obsessive. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:42:46 -
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Nice, thanks CCP.
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Mai Khumm
Lonetrek Freeport
759
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:43:42 -
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Can a player remove skill points from any skill?
For example, I have Caldari Carrier to level 5. But the prerequisite is Battleship level 5, can I remove my Battleship skills and still be able to fly a Carrier?
Also, if I remove skill points from...lets say Gallente Frigate, so there's 0 SP there, can I remove the skill? If so, do I get the skillbook back? |
Baron Holbach
The Northerners
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:46:08 -
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sorry ccp this idea is ********, i have nothign against skill trading as suck
but you should not able to remove skills you already have - i would be fine if you can remove free sp and add some way to make it (like no skill in training, hello free sp, or some special skill you can train to extract it - not just any random skill)
also please add top cap - over what its not possible to add sp using that... like over 200m sp, no sp can be added using skill trading, otherwise im sure that Dr Caymus is soon no more top sp player in eve or whoever owns that title using years or very detailed sp training planing
even **** you plan do with capitals seems like heaven vs idea you can nuke your sp so you can sell it, i honestly promise i quit that game if you add thing like removing any skill you want from any char you own - its just plain wrong |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
540
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:47:16 -
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"After months of heated debate, we decided to change nothing except giving older players MORE sp for their trades...."
EVE ONLINE: HTFU
... or just buy a bunch of SP. Either way. Whatever works for you.
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Minchurra
Pandemic Horde Inc.
26
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:47:35 -
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I like it. Some Qs:
How does this work in the case where I don't want to sell my XP on the market but I do want to re-arrange how I have it distributed?
For example on a toonie with 65 million SP, can I just move 5 million SP from my mining skills and dump them into my leadership skills, or do I need to use the injector/extractor and lose a percentage of my skill points?
Is 500k the maximum you can transfer in one go? Surely 512k would be a better amount given skills advance in powers of 2.
Are there plans for bigger/smaller injectors at different price points?
Can the injectors be bought for -ú-ú-ú like the extractors or are they in-game purchases only? |
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tasman devil
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
57
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:48:20 -
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I do have some clarification request:
So you consume a "Skill extractor" which goes poof! at the end (along with 500k of your prescious SPs) and you are left with a "Skill Injector", right?
Ie: you'll lose 500k regardless of your character SPs, but you'll only gain less and less if you inject it into a high SP character.
If this is true, then:
1: to min-max it:
Basically means that I should have an ALT low SP (under 5m SP) character, who I deck out lets say with max Intelligence and Memory attributes, assign some Int/Mem skills to him and then periodically milk him for 500k SP that I can then sell on the market.
2: Any other route and you'll have a net negative on the SP pool.
In effect CCP is burning (removing) SP from the game.
This will be the playground of those who have nothing else to train (i.e. players with enough SP that they can stop the training on their main and focus on "milking" an alt like I just detailed earlier).
I don't belive in reincarnation
I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...
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Hubs
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:48:52 -
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This "Pay to Win" option worries me immensely and makes me somewhat sad... |
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CCP Cognac
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:50:28 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:Can a player remove skill points from any skill?
For example, I have Caldari Carrier to level 5. But the prerequisite is Battleship level 5, can I remove my Battleship skills and still be able to fly a Carrier?
Also, if I remove skill points from...lets say Gallente Frigate, so there's 0 SP there, can I remove the skill? If so, do I get the skillbook back?
Prereq skills can not be extracted. The will be represented with a lock icon like you can see on this picture.
as soon as the advanced skills have been extracted the former prereq skill will be open for extraction.
As of now there are no plans to remove skill books when extraction takes you to 0.
This will mean that we will need to do some changes to skill training which will hopefully also allow you to inject skill books you don't have the prereqs instead of having to haul them around waiting for that prereq to finish(no promises this will be available on realease).
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Sir Constantin
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:50:34 -
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IMO 300k and 150k is too much, should be half of that..
I don't know what the price will be, if it's too expensive new players wont have access and if it's too cheap 50-100mil chars will use them like crazy. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
2295
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:52:17 -
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Hubs wrote:This "Pay to Win" option worries me immensely and makes me somewhat sad...
How is this "pay to win?" SP injectors aren't for sale on the AUR store; only the extractors are.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Northern Coalition.
1885
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:52:29 -
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brb, buying plex
same comment from last time stands: this is not a brilliant idea |
Urziel99
Unified Research and Industrial
133
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:53:26 -
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Still waiting on a personal version without such a steep penalty for being a long term player. |
YouAreMyBounty Sarn
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:54:00 -
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I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that there was a positive attitude about TSP's. I posted many times in that dev blog & there was a majority of people against it, commonly quoting a line from a CCP guy that says something along the lines of, paying extra money into eve will never give a skill advantage.
I am heavily against it. There is pages and pages of rage on that thread about people not liking this pay-to-win money grabbing attitude proposed by Eve-Online. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6905
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:55:23 -
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YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that there was a positive attitude about TSP's. I posted many times in that dev blog & there was a majority of people against it,
In your mind, perhaps.
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6905
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:56:12 -
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tasman devil wrote:Basically means that I should have an ALT low SP (under 5m SP) character, who I deck out lets say with max Intelligence and Memory attributes, assign some Int/Mem skills to him and then periodically milk him for 500k SP that I can then sell on the market.
2: Any other route and you'll have a net negative on the SP pool.
In effect CCP is burning (removing) SP from the game.
But if you're using AUR for the extractor... why not get plex and train more. Oh snap.
Besides... it's not surprising there may be a most efficient way to produce something. To min-max my dominix production I would research the BPO fully as well, right?
Otherwise I'm having a net negative on the dominix pool?
ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
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