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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:19:37 -
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Very happy to see CCP moving forward with this idea. It brings a much-needed depth of granularity to the process of trading ISK for SP that is unabashedly good for the game.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:21:52 -
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Also, any ideas on what the Aurum price for the extractors will be? I won't hold anyone to a specific number; just curious if y'all had put any thought into it.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:35:11 -
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Julien Brellier wrote:Pay-to-win micro transactions creeping into Eve.
A sad day.
Considering the SP being passed around has to come from players training the skills at the normal rate, how is this any more "pay-to-win" than the character bazaar?
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 15:52:17 -
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Hubs wrote:This "Pay to Win" option worries me immensely and makes me somewhat sad...
How is this "pay to win?" SP injectors aren't for sale on the AUR store; only the extractors are.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:29:05 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:
Total joke and unforgivable. What is claimed is essentially impossible to conclude. The overwhelming majority other than maybe goons + pets and trolls saw this as a clearly destructive change and were against it. I don't think I've ever seen anything so untrue in relation to Eve. The amount of confirmation bias and dishonesty required to make this claim is astounding.
The only thing that's destructive about this change is the death of SP leaderboard onanism. Fortunately, such masturbatory pursuits, like real masturbation, are completely meaningless.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:51:35 -
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ViolentDesire wrote:Querns wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
Total joke and unforgivable. What is claimed is essentially impossible to conclude. The overwhelming majority other than maybe goons + pets and trolls saw this as a clearly destructive change and were against it. I don't think I've ever seen anything so untrue in relation to Eve. The amount of confirmation bias and dishonesty required to make this claim is astounding.
The only thing that's destructive about this change is the death of SP leaderboard onanism. Fortunately, such masturbatory pursuits, like real masturbation, are completely meaningless. I guess you were in the minority that thought this was a good idea.
I do agree that it is a fantastic idea. I don't agree that my opinion represents the minority opinion.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:57:34 -
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Aerious wrote:What a waste of time and resources.
What use is this to a 2004 player with over 210m SP?
None.
Fortunately, there are only a handful of these sorts in the game.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:02:57 -
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imgoingtodye wrote:Is their going to be a limit on mount you can take from a player skills? Say I have a 55m toon how far can I suck him dye before I can longer able too? 
If the previous blog's details are still relevant, you need a minimum of 5m SP before you can start sucking their brains.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:04:12 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Well I can hope beyond reason CCP will see this and consider it, but my guess is going to be not likely.
One of the ways in which I think you should change this for the vets is you remove the restrictions on sp incoming if you've had sp outgoing.
For example. Lets say I'm 120mil sp. Over the years CCP has made a lot of changes to skills over time that are regarded not nearly as important as they once were and now I have *useless* (to me) sp. I'd love to be able to move that SP to other skills.
So lets say I do one extraction for 500k sp. I'm then allowed to buy an injector and use the full 500k. However, the next injector I bought would still be liable for the 150k amount.
If you want you could even subject this to certain limits, like I could only *move* 2mil sp a year like that etc.
Player is still paying market costs etc and CCP still gets its share. Otherwise will be a nice feature for noobs, something else I'm not ever going to use as a bitter vet with 3 chars above 120mil sp.
I don't think the idea here is to allow you to "reallocate" SP -- it's more intended for you to sell it to other players, or give it to your alts. Being able to "respec" with no penalty would be a bridge too far, in my opinion.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:19:05 -
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Hendrink Collie wrote:Querns wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:Querns wrote:ViolentDesire wrote:
Total joke and unforgivable. What is claimed is essentially impossible to conclude. The overwhelming majority other than maybe goons + pets and trolls saw this as a clearly destructive change and were against it. I don't think I've ever seen anything so untrue in relation to Eve. The amount of confirmation bias and dishonesty required to make this claim is astounding.
The only thing that's destructive about this change is the death of SP leaderboard onanism. Fortunately, such masturbatory pursuits, like real masturbation, are completely meaningless. I guess you were in the minority that thought this was a good idea. I do agree that it is a fantastic idea. I don't agree that my opinion represents the minority opinion. For once, it seems reddit has the best opinion of skill tradiing. The overall opinion is pretty level-headed over there compared to here and twitter.
Funny thing about that -- I was monitoring that thread. The opinion was, initially, full-on panic, until Elise Randolph posted about it. Then, everyone was okay with it.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:51:03 -
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Assassin126 wrote:Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.
Avert your eyes from the character bazaar forum, then -- effecting a transfer of a character costs 2 PLEX or some money amount which I cannot remember.
There's basically no way CCP will exclude a PLEX or AUR cost from the extractors. If their finance employees are even remotely worth their pay, they would see such an exclusion as a reduction in the capacity of the business to resolve or draw down their liabilities, due to the inevitable reduction in frequency of character transfers. This would be extremely hard to justify.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:10:55 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:CCP, when do you plan to ban character selling?
I presume character name change service is not talked about anywhere, because we all know why?
They're not planning to do so. The Character Bazaar will continue to exist after this addition.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:12:32 -
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IlIIlIIIlllIlIllIIIIll wrote:
3 noob will be able to credit card insta titan instead of buying a char
They can already do this, via the Character Bazaar.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:16:54 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Querns wrote:IlIIlIIIlllIlIllIIIIll wrote:
3 noob will be able to credit card insta titan instead of buying a char
They can already do this, via the Character Bazaar. But they can use this to credit card to all V's something you can't do with the bazaar
Yes, you can, if you buy the right character.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:18:01 -
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IlIIlIIIlllIlIllIIIIll wrote:Querns wrote:IlIIlIIIlllIlIllIIIIll wrote:
3 noob will be able to credit card insta titan instead of buying a char
They can already do this, via the Character Bazaar. There is a difference between buying a char who specialised and training a day one char into a titan ?
There's really not.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 18:58:16 -
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MR Spleen wrote:So I'm sure there was a dev that said at fanfest they weren't bringing in pay to win a few years ago well I think he lied!
It is now possible for people to buy isk legally by purchasing plex's with RL money which can be sold for isk and will now be able to purchase skill points as well as ships using real money.
If this isn't pay to win then I'm not sure what is.
Oh and I see the higher sp players also get screwed over again ispite possibly many years of loyal game play and large amounts of rl money handed over to ccp.
You could already buy anything in Eve with RL money, thanks to selling PLEX on the open market, so I fail to see the problem here.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:32:02 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:High SP players - with deep ISK wallets
This is a bad assumption.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:35:52 -
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Jasem Ormand wrote:I'm new player, can I buy my way to gain SP as much as a 10 year old player via PLEX?
You can do it right now, via the character bazaar. You've been able to do it for the better part of a decade. Have fun!
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:23:12 -
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Mikron Alexarr wrote:I saw this dev blog come up on Facebook. I know that costs aren't set in stone yet, but what is to prevent someone from making a new character for the soul purpose of SP farming? Simply remap stats for a set of skills that you can train and siphon off SP as needed.
I hate to break it to you, but this is not only already happening, but has happened for years. I, myself, have two of my accounts sustaining themselves, long-term, by training alts specifically for sale on the Character Bazaar. One of the most reliable money makers in Eve was doing this with Power of Two accounts. Skill extractors change nothing about this process except how quickly you can realize a profit.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:45:13 -
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jason hill wrote:Right that's it ....ccp himller I'm calling you out !!! Have you been window shopping for -ú1000 jeans AGAIN !!! Are you after another "burn jita"  have you learned nothing over the years !! Your starting to make the little baby Jesus cry ! Listen( for once to the bloody player base) 
I don't think you understand what Burn Jita actually is.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:47:05 -
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Zee Zaugg wrote:
Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game.
I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:00:16 -
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Aerious wrote:Querns wrote:Zee Zaugg wrote:
Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game.
I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists. Well, leave it at that, i've bought and sold many a character this way for profit, the only reason CCPGäó are smiling at skill trading is they will be able to sell the skill extractor on the new eden store and make more money, why not raise the monthly subscription and put this stupid idea to bed.
Uh, what?
The only way I can think of how this makes sense is if you're a career character trader who's angry about his business taking a hit.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:04:20 -
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Aerious wrote:Querns wrote:Aerious wrote:Querns wrote:Zee Zaugg wrote:
Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game.
I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists. Well, leave it at that, i've bought and sold many a character this way for profit, the only reason CCPGäó are smiling at skill trading is they will be able to sell the skill extractor on the new eden store and make more money, why not raise the monthly subscription and put this stupid idea to bed. Uh, what? The only way I can think of how this makes sense is if you're a career character trader who's angry about his business taking a hit. LOL im doing fine on my jump freighter alts, profit!
Nailed it.
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Querns
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Posted - 2016.01.19 03:30:07 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:And when the Goon/Horde RMT machine gets into gear just remember: we told you so. Just like we told you so with the T3D.
What, exactly, is the tipping point here regarding a goon RMT machine? Why would it be now, and not back when Technetium was hemorrhaging ISK in untold quantity?
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Posted - 2016.01.19 03:35:06 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Querns wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:And when the Goon/Horde RMT machine gets into gear just remember: we told you so. Just like we told you so with the T3D. What, exactly, is the tipping point here regarding a goon RMT machine? Why would it be now, and not back when Technetium was hemorrhaging ISK in untold quantity? Explained here
That's pretty insane, man. Why would we use SP injectors when we could just sell ISK directly?
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