OK, My question is simple.

After you remove the skill points to 0 in those skills you no longer want, can you remove the skill from your skillsheet.

I do not want a bunch of 0 level skills showing up. Why remove skill points if you can not remove the skill itself.

Please answer this CCP.

If Character Bazar is also p2w as many pointed that out why would we need another one with similar purpose?

Looks like the Eve train is heading for a collision course and I don't like train wrecks so I don't think I'll be resubbing anymore once my game time expires. A pity, I thought this game had some real promise.

Can anyone here in this thread refer me to another game like Eve, but without the pay2win disease?

You poor delusioned fella. Don't you realize that in Eve, Time equates to XP gained by killing goblins and such in WoW. And now that Time is up for sale which equates to "pay2win".

Player A have 50 mil SP with which he have perfect skills in a Comet, he waited more than 2 years to get these skillpoints.

Player B have 50 mil SP with which he have perfect skills in a Comet, but he didn't wait 2 years, he bought it all on the market with his credit card.

lets say both have the exact same fit (somehow...). What advantages does player B have over player A ? none

Player A have a serious advantage because he have more experience of PvP.

I love Player A, player B examples, here's my:
2 players, both 0 day newbros
Player A don't buy SP packet and just wait to train skills
Player B bought and currently flying T3D with T2 modules

Now they clash in PvP battle, who has advantage? Player A with propablly his first T1 frig or Player B with T3D?
I could do this whole day. When you go faster than others (SP) you are paying to be better. Nobody tell me flying raven is same thing than flying golem, flying T1 hauler than cloaky one, not to mention T3 cruisers.

There are artificial thersholds for hulls. I love the argument that it's the experience that is matter the most. Why there are thersholds then? Where's the benefit? How good would be T2 cruiser if I could fly it without high level skills from day 1?

Okay fine you wanna get technical, we'll get technical. It's called pay2advance, you happy now. And guess what, it's still breaks the game in the same fashion as pay2win.

Again I see only PVP minded players having this delusion that this pay2advance feature is the same as Char Bazaar.

The difference between SP trading and char bazaar has already been explained countless time, need it be repeated again??

This is a stupid point. Have you ever been in a 1v1 fight? The last thing you should be doing is calculating the other guy's skill points. RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL RANGE CONTROL and overheat all the things. That's what you need to be thinking about. A fight between two people with the exact same ships, fits, and SP, almost never happens. Someone always has an advantage. That's the name of the game... Theory crafting an unusual fit will win you more fight than a 5% increase to DPS for 20 days skill training to level V.

If you are looking at character's age before fighting them you're doing it wrong. My old main had 80m SP but I found it difficult to find fun fights because risk averse folks like yourself looking at my age. I rolled a new toon, trained him into a focused Atron and had a blast killing vets with a 1 month old guy. That isn't how it should be. The opinion that SP mean so freaking much is hurting the game. If this change does anything, I hope it does away with this mentality of checking a pilot's age before you engage. Just man-up and engage already!

EDIT: I want to add, the Pay-To-Win bullshit makes me laugh. EVE isn't a game you win. You may win a fight or lose a fight but at the end of the day you go on and do something bigger than that one fight. EVE is about building relationships and having fun however you decide to do it. In a sandbox game where you set your own goals, winning comes from within yourself and cannot be attained with just SP. So this idea that buying SP will help you win EVE is ridiculous. I've been playing a racing game from EA on my phone that pings me for an in-game purchase daily... drive new more powerful cars and win races... only $9.99. That's ******* pay-to-win. I cannot even play the stupid game without feeding them more money. Here, you can continue to play EVE and access all its content at the regular pace or you can accelerate it if you want. Nobody is forcing you one way or the other.

If the "whiners" are like terrorists in their one-sided belief, then what are you? Your belief that it's not pay to win is also one-sided and nothing anyone says will change your mind. So what are you?

You're on one side and others are on the other side. It's one position or the other. It either is or it isn't. You can't dispute the logic, so you call me a troll?

In any issue, you as a supporter will call the opponent a whiner. If by some chance a change goes against you, you complain about the whiners always getting their way. It's always going to be about you and what you want. Everyone else is wrong.

Skill trading is already active on Sisi. Extractors are available in the exchange in packs of 1, 5, and 10.

Build 6 PI farms, remove SP (skills only needed to create the farm, not to operate it!), move SP to your alt, build 5 PI farms (damn diminishing returns), repeat.

There are other skills which offer this kind of abuse, let's see how long it takes for CCP to exclude them vom SP extraction, too.

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You are aware that the cheapest subscription plan is to pre-pay for 1 year, at $10 / month, $131.40 (with tax), and that gets you 20 million skillpoints trained the normal way? Most people use the monthly subscription and that's $225 for 20 million SP? So 15 million SP for $100 is what we already pay, just all at once, which I guess is a shock.

You are aware that on the Character Bazaar, a 15 million SP toon will go for 7-8B, which is 6 PLEX = $120?

I still can't believe that CCP is doing this. All the promises after the summer of rage, to never sell anyting for AUR that gives a direct advantage over other players, were emtpy talk. CCP makes the game less hardcore every year.

Also, what about all the talk about careful balancing and previsional planning of features .. Has CCP not thought about all the ways skill trading can be abused by rich players/alliances? They can now:

• easily switch doctrines
• instantly replace SP losses from T3s
• lure new players with injectors
• hoard injectors as "gold" item
• instantly use the newest overpowered toys/doctrines (i.e. Ishtar fleets before nerf)
• etc

I liked most of the changes CCP made in the last years but the skill trading feature ... WTF CCP. Could it be that there was a recent change in leadership? Some new producers or managers from EA maybe? Because skill trading looks like a typical EA cash grab.

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