except you can't just pull out the credit card and get sp.

processes would invovle cc -> plex -> isk -> skill packets

currently you can cc -> plex -> isk -> new character

I don't know that I like the new system, but I don't have any huge major logical objections.

Okay, okay, maybe the example I gave of being "shot on the undock" was more a metaphor than a truth. I'll not answer your other questions regarding the game mechanics, as I'm sure you already know.

EVE becomes very expensive to be competitive.

And that expectations isn't "whip out the CC and go to the character Bazaar." Why would that change?

That being said, skill points don't teach you to minimise your transversal or pick the right damage type, or how to fit correctly, etc etc. I suspect it's more likely that this will simply result in shinier ships being 'sat in' by people that have no clue.

And if this is 'gold ammo' in disguise, then goodbye CCP. That being said, skill points don't teach you to minimise your transversal or pick the right damage type, or how to fit correctly, etc etc. I suspect it's more likely that this will simply result in shinier ships being 'sat in' by people that have no clue.

For one thing, because most newbies probably don't know the CB exists, much less which character they should buy there. But more importantly - the new system lets them gradually buy a new character. Only few people would get into a game, and then drop 500 Bucks into it to buy a 30M Character right away. However, now they can buy their Character in 20-Dollar-Pieces. Need Cruiser V? 20 Bucks. Medium Projectile Turrets V? 20 Bucks. That's much less of a barrier right there.

Newbies already feel the need to drop 20 Bucks into the game early on to buy shiny ships they will inevitably lose way too often. If they get the possibility to buy Skill points slammed in their faces from day one, while getting the **** kicked out of them by all those dudes in way too expensive ships who obviously have more SP than them - of course they will feel that they need to buy those SP to be competitive. It doesn't matter so much if this system makes Eve more or less P2W than it already is, but it sure will look like every other crappy P2W MMOG, only that you have to pay a monthly fee on top.

Um ... He has a valid point you idiots ... the game is kind going Pay To Win, Does this mean I'll be able to make a bunch of Trial Accounts. And then just transfer over SP? This isn't good you retards. morons.

CCP this isn't the way to go.

That's part of the point in a way, isn't it? This is supposed to lower the barrier of entry for character advancement. That still doesn't necessarily equal an expectation though, or even a need. How many actually do drop PLEX on shiny ships/mods as is?

the usual " i leave because..." post.

Does this mean I'll be able to make a bunch of Trial Accounts. And then just transfer over SP? This isn't good you retards. morons.

Yes, that's the point. But does that make it any better? The barrier it lowers is just the one in players heads, that wouldn't be willing to purchase 20 PLEX at once to get a Character, but would potentially spend the same over time. This is not a way to help Newbies progress faster, it's a way to sell more PLEX quickly.

I don't have a problem so much with the fact that people will be buffing their Characters. As has been pointed out: SP don't make a good pilot, and you can only ever fly one ship at a time, which for most ships doesn't nearly take 50M SP. What worries me is the impression this system will leave on new players. We have PLEX on the market already, which is bad enough. But if you started playing a game, and saw that you can pretty much buy ingame currency for money, and then advance your character with it, thereby effectively bypassing the "natural progression" in every game-mechanically relevant way if you just drop enough money into it - what kind of game would you think it is?

We older players know that neither does one have to sell PLEX for ISK, nor for SP, and that neither currency nor character stats make nearly as much of a difference as they typically do in other games. But a completely new player will not know that. People that don't like P2W will be repelled by this, and people who are used to P2W will quickly learn that they cannot actually P2W in Eve and get frustrated rather quickly as well (admittedly, not until after sending CCP some money).

As for how many new players actually sell a PLEX in their first month - I don't have statistics on that, but I see it happen rather frequently. And typically, even the ones who don't do at least think about it.

And I'm sure there will be at least a handful of ragey noob posts by people who bought a ton of SP and promptly got rocked by some newb in a velator, so that will be fun too.

I'm not a fan of it either. But the "I'm quitting" rage is counter productive, it just looks like crying to people. It's better to lay out the issue rationally...then rub CCPs nose in it in a few months with it all goes Bits up.

We've been doing that for years and we'd accepted a lot of bullshit but P2W is where I draw the line. Since CCP doesn't want to listen to reason and they're doing the "lets squander EVE's values and core game mechanics for profit" then I don't want to be a part of that. On top of that it reeks of a firesale.

The only option I have is to vote with my wallet, it's the only thing CCP listens to.

I don't really see any way it could be "gold ammo". "Gold ammo" tends to be a a cash-shop exclusive item that is fundamentally better than the normal gameplay alternative.

This doesn't give "better" skillpoints. Quite the opposite, really, since it is a lossy procedure, and all of the skillpoints still have to be acquired in the usual way.

My inner bittervet wants to be offended on principle, but I just can't find anything to grr about.

And I'm sure there will be at least a handful of ragey noob posts by people who bought a ton of SP and promptly got rocked by some newb in a velator, so that will be fun too.

33. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.

CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.