It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships.

Can i have your stuff?

I asked for them first, in exchange for the wonders of human-centric formatting.

I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it.

With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic.

And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have.

As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this.

I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday.

Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous.

For the love of God, man. I helped you out with making your goodbye rant easier to read. Now do me a solid and contract me your stuff.

Leaving is certainly the strongest way to express disappointment about a change.

One complaint I hear about Eve a lot from newbies is that they can't compete with the people who have been playing the game for years.

The SP transfer thing will make it completely normal, and gradually people will feel necessary for new players. Is that really healthy for the long term future of Eve?

Why would they feel it necessary?

You know how it is. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it becomes a thing that more and more newbies/people do. Pretty soon, in order to not be killed on the undock by other newbies, you'll need it too. Arms race!

So those newbies become competent via SP alone and thus are able to kill those other newbies on the undock? What undock? Why are they even being shot at? If they can freely be shot at why are there no vets popping both groups?

Since the equal 1v1 is the exception rather than the rule anyways, would you ever even be able to appreciably feel the difference?

The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex.

except you can't just pull out the credit card and get sp.

processes would invovle cc -> plex -> isk -> skill packets

currently you can cc -> plex -> isk -> new character

I don't know that I like the new system, but I don't have any huge major logical objections.

Okay, okay, maybe the example I gave of being "shot on the undock" was more a metaphor than a truth. I'll not answer your other questions regarding the game mechanics, as I'm sure you already know.

EVE becomes very expensive to be competitive.

And that expectations isn't "whip out the CC and go to the character Bazaar." Why would that change?

That being said, skill points don't teach you to minimise your transversal or pick the right damage type, or how to fit correctly, etc etc. I suspect it's more likely that this will simply result in shinier ships being 'sat in' by people that have no clue.

And if this is 'gold ammo' in disguise, then goodbye CCP. That being said, skill points don't teach you to minimise your transversal or pick the right damage type, or how to fit correctly, etc etc. I suspect it's more likely that this will simply result in shinier ships being 'sat in' by people that have no clue.

For one thing, because most newbies probably don't know the CB exists, much less which character they should buy there. But more importantly - the new system lets them gradually buy a new character. Only few people would get into a game, and then drop 500 Bucks into it to buy a 30M Character right away. However, now they can buy their Character in 20-Dollar-Pieces. Need Cruiser V? 20 Bucks. Medium Projectile Turrets V? 20 Bucks. That's much less of a barrier right there.

Newbies already feel the need to drop 20 Bucks into the game early on to buy shiny ships they will inevitably lose way too often. If they get the possibility to buy Skill points slammed in their faces from day one, while getting the **** kicked out of them by all those dudes in way too expensive ships who obviously have more SP than them - of course they will feel that they need to buy those SP to be competitive. It doesn't matter so much if this system makes Eve more or less P2W than it already is, but it sure will look like every other crappy P2W MMOG, only that you have to pay a monthly fee on top.

Um ... He has a valid point you idiots ... the game is kind going Pay To Win, Does this mean I'll be able to make a bunch of Trial Accounts. And then just transfer over SP? This isn't good you retards. morons.

CCP this isn't the way to go.

That's part of the point in a way, isn't it? This is supposed to lower the barrier of entry for character advancement. That still doesn't necessarily equal an expectation though, or even a need. How many actually do drop PLEX on shiny ships/mods as is?

the usual " i leave because..." post.

Does this mean I'll be able to make a bunch of Trial Accounts. And then just transfer over SP? This isn't good you retards. morons.

Yes, that's the point. But does that make it any better? The barrier it lowers is just the one in players heads, that wouldn't be willing to purchase 20 PLEX at once to get a Character, but would potentially spend the same over time. This is not a way to help Newbies progress faster, it's a way to sell more PLEX quickly.

I don't have a problem so much with the fact that people will be buffing their Characters. As has been pointed out: SP don't make a good pilot, and you can only ever fly one ship at a time, which for most ships doesn't nearly take 50M SP. What worries me is the impression this system will leave on new players. We have PLEX on the market already, which is bad enough. But if you started playing a game, and saw that you can pretty much buy ingame currency for money, and then advance your character with it, thereby effectively bypassing the "natural progression" in every game-mechanically relevant way if you just drop enough money into it - what kind of game would you think it is?

We older players know that neither does one have to sell PLEX for ISK, nor for SP, and that neither currency nor character stats make nearly as much of a difference as they typically do in other games. But a completely new player will not know that. People that don't like P2W will be repelled by this, and people who are used to P2W will quickly learn that they cannot actually P2W in Eve and get frustrated rather quickly as well (admittedly, not until after sending CCP some money).

As for how many new players actually sell a PLEX in their first month - I don't have statistics on that, but I see it happen rather frequently. And typically, even the ones who don't do at least think about it.

And I'm sure there will be at least a handful of ragey noob posts by people who bought a ton of SP and promptly got rocked by some newb in a velator, so that will be fun too.

I'm not a fan of it either. But the "I'm quitting" rage is counter productive, it just looks like crying to people. It's better to lay out the issue rationally...then rub CCPs nose in it in a few months with it all goes Bits up.

We've been doing that for years and we'd accepted a lot of bullshit but P2W is where I draw the line. Since CCP doesn't want to listen to reason and they're doing the "lets squander EVE's values and core game mechanics for profit" then I don't want to be a part of that. On top of that it reeks of a firesale.

The only option I have is to vote with my wallet, it's the only thing CCP listens to.

I don't really see any way it could be "gold ammo". "Gold ammo" tends to be a a cash-shop exclusive item that is fundamentally better than the normal gameplay alternative.

This doesn't give "better" skillpoints. Quite the opposite, really, since it is a lossy procedure, and all of the skillpoints still have to be acquired in the usual way.

My inner bittervet wants to be offended on principle, but I just can't find anything to grr about.

And I'm sure there will be at least a handful of ragey noob posts by people who bought a ton of SP and promptly got rocked by some newb in a velator, so that will be fun too.

33. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.

CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.