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Borges08 Mercenary Masterminds 0	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:41:30 - [1] - Quote What are we as explorers supposed to do now to make isk? For example, the best drops, pithum c-type shield booster (4/10) are 55mil, as opposed to the usual ~300, pithum a-type shield booster (6/10) are 282m, as opposed to the usual ~1.1-1.3bil. How is it even possible to make money and fund plexes which have doubled in price 1.1-1.3bil each? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
DTBA Fonulique 0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance 4	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:50:10 - [2] - Quote doing a 6/10 and getting 60 mil o/
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10356	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:55:38 - [3] - Quote Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices? Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Borges08 Mercenary Masterminds 0	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:55:48 - [4] - Quote DTBA Fonulique wrote: doing a 6/10 and getting 60 mil o/ What? I mean the maximum payout is nerfed and ruined completely. There was always a chance of getting nothing at all.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2438	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:58:00 - [5] - Quote Oh, where to start.... I'll assume you've been out of the game for awhile. The best things to drop from 4-6/10 Guristas sites are not the shield boosters; they're the invulnerability fields, which go for 860mil/540mil/270mil for A/B/C respectively. Which is still pretty darn good. More importantly, no, CCP hasn't nerfed anything. There are more people doing exploration so supply of deadspace items is up. In the meantime, demand hasn't increased to follow suit. Hence lower prices. I can casually plex on 5/10s and 6/10s. I'm not even in Guristas space. You can too.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13414	Posted - 2016.01.21 20:59:48 - [6] - Quote I knew as soon as he said the word "Pith" what the problem is. Goons/Imperium inhabit the north and over farm Guristas Content (even in nearby lowsec) to a crazy extent. And lowsec has high sec exploraiton sites now. So crazy even BLOOD RAIDERS loot fetches better prices than Guristas, and that has to be a 1st in all EVE history lol. You're problem is with those over farming as well as CCPs buff to escalation chances. Nothing got 'nerfed',. And BTW thank goodness I live in Angel space, much more reasonable loot prices because Goons are up north. I have no problem affording PLEX.
Borges08 Mercenary Masterminds 0	Posted - 2016.01.21 21:02:53 - [7] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Oh, where to start.... I'll assume you've been out of the game for awhile. The best things to drop from 4-6/10 Guristas sites are not the shield boosters; they're the invulnerability fields, which go for 860mil/540mil/270mil for A/B/C respectively. . THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT I WANTED TO SEE. Thanks for the update. Didn't know about these. :) Might start playing again after all.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 1001	Posted - 2016.01.21 21:24:10 - [8] - Quote Market Economy brah! If the supply is there, but the demand isn't; prices drop. If demand is there, but supply isn't; prices rise.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10358	Posted - 2016.01.21 21:31:02 - [9] - Quote Borges08 wrote: Shame plexes have doubled in price though. Is that a hook for another whine thread? Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 1001	Posted - 2016.01.21 21:36:38 - [10] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Borges08 wrote: Shame plexes have doubled in price though. Is that a hook for another whine thread? Maybe a line to a new EVE country song?
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13415	Posted - 2016.01.21 22:39:03 - [11] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Borges08 wrote: Shame plexes have doubled in price though. Is that a hook for another whine thread? Maybe a line to a new EVE country song? Alllllllll my PLEX-s live in Texas......
Droidster Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2016.01.21 22:44:51 - [12] - Quote As long as we are whining here I did three or four DED complexes two nights ago and got nothing over 25,000 ISK in value. Seriously, the drops were like "Dread Guristas Copper Tag (12,000 ISK)". Hours of my life I will never get back.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4943	Posted - 2016.01.21 23:24:45 - [13] - Quote Grrrr Goons. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 24	Posted - 2016.01.22 00:20:48 - [14] - Quote The whole gimmick of these Sites, at least in HS, is that it is random, you could win big, or not get anything at all, I have done DED's 5 days in a row and only got one Dread Gurista Long Point, but then I have done 3 Sites in a row and gotten 3 Pith C-Type Invun's, the Sites are better ISK then Missions if you run them in a decent fit, I use a Rattle for 5/10's and can clear then in under 10 minutes, thats 40mil everytime just in the 18th Overseers stuff, and another 20+ mil in Bounties, I have recently had a lot of luck with the 8/10's in Gurista Null Sec, the ISK payout is better if you stick with it, with lots of goodies, I mean, I have 2 Missioning HG Crystal Pods, had them for 3 months, and I only started playing EVE 7-8 months ago, so yeah.. If all you want to do is PLEX your account, then go do Incursions, I hear they do it better, I personally do DED's to fund my PvP and to outfit my Mission Running boats, why? Cause I do see why buying half the modules makes sense when I can go have fun finding them the hard way! Good luck though.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 332	Posted - 2016.01.22 03:21:17 - [15] - Quote Droidster wrote: As long as we are whining here I did three or four DED complexes two nights ago and got nothing over 25,000 ISK in value. Seriously, the drops were like "Dread Guristas Copper Tag (12,000 ISK)". Hours of my life I will never get back. Why do you even drop this crap. I mean Raging Bull Newbie Carbide Railgun or whatever the hell they are worth 10K in recycled minerals. Why bother? What's the point of that? ...and as long as I am on the subject of nihilistic drops, what is it with the Metal Scraps? Is that some kind of sick joke or something? Hah hah you opened the container, what a dope you are! If you drop something, it should have some kind of actual meaning in the game. Just dropping trash for the sake of dropping trash is pointless. Its like those gray drops in WOW. LOL, when will you learn that Hi-sec is best-sec.
Thorian Baalnorn Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S 24	Posted - 2016.01.22 06:05:27 - [16] - Quote I love the current prices of faction and deadspace loot. Deadspace was way overpriced and i say that as some that plexes. Its way more balanced and reasonable now.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 737	Posted - 2016.01.22 09:37:23 - [17] - Quote I used to be an explorer like you, then I took a burner to the knee. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
Inquisiteur Karamasov Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.22 10:32:23 - [18] - Quote That the same problem with the data/relic site Too much people doing it, not so much new player so the demand stay same so price drop. Nothing ccp can fix because even if they increase the loot the price will go down again, And if they make them harder many people will cry and stop play. The problem is not enough new blood and ccp make everything too easy, I remember when i start Eve lvl4 mission was little reward and exploration really great reward now is the reverse ( thanks to the lp store) until everyone start to farm the lvl4 and we will have the same situation.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 737	Posted - 2016.01.22 11:30:22 - [19] - Quote It's kind of ironic actually. Every time an explorer loses an astero, stratios or a ship fitted with a sister launcher or probes they pay me for new ones. I'm sure you can appreciate the irony in that. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
Inquisiteur Karamasov Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.22 12:09:52 - [20] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: It's kind of ironic actually. Every time an explorer loses an astero, stratios or a ship fitted with a sister launcher or probes they pay me for new ones. I'm sure you can appreciate the irony in that. yeah and some times ago the value of the lp on Soe was about 2200-2400isk per lp, now is hard 2000isk so that make my point more people do it the demand stay the same so the value go down. on this way it will arrive a moment the soe lp will worth nothing.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2131	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:11:45 - [21] - Quote Relic exploration is steadily going up in profitability, due to the ever high and rising demand for T2 salvage materials. I'm my own NPC alt.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 737	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:41:24 - [22] - Quote Inquisiteur Karamasov wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: It's kind of ironic actually. Every time an explorer loses an astero, stratios or a ship fitted with a sister launcher or probes they pay me for new ones. I'm sure you can appreciate the irony in that. yeah and some times ago the value of the lp on Soe was about 2200-2400isk per lp, now is hard 2000isk so that make my point more people do it the demand stay the same so the value go down. on this way it will arrive a moment the soe lp will worth nothing. SOE LP worth has pretty much been steady at 1700-2200isk/lp since the SOE ship came out a year and half ago now? check the graphs in game. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 1682	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:05:43 - [23] - Quote Borges08 wrote: What are we as explorers supposed to do now to make isk? For example, the best drops, pithum c-type shield booster (4/10) are 55mil, as opposed to the usual ~300, pithum a-type shield booster (6/10) are 282m, as opposed to the usual ~1.1-1.3bil. How is it even possible to make money and fund plexes which have doubled in price 1.1-1.3bil each? Makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm curious: How did you reach the conclusion that anything had been "nerfed"? You know CCP doesn't directly control the market prices, right? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.23 23:17:40 - [24] - Quote Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal...
Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 27	Posted - 2016.01.23 23:32:58 - [25] - Quote Guys, you do know all the prices for DED loot is controlled exclusively by players right? Someone has to buy half those terrible modules for a price so low because the market is flooded, hence why the only good ones are the rare drops. Stop complaining and saying it is CCP's fault, it is all our fault, we do them to much we ruined demand, we nearly all sell them for ISK flooding the market, CCP tried to help by nerf'ing spawn rates, hence lowering the amount of modules, hence rising the prices to a good level again, but 90% of you bastards complaining do nothing but run Sites like a bot, and then ruin the prices again, yourselves. You want to make really good ISK doing DED's and Sites? Go down to Null, find a nice pocket, make some friends and sell out in Null where Cap pilots and Ratters buy their shiny stuff, and not in Jita where there are 500 other people doing the same thing you are. Common sense guys, use it.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.23 23:48:01 - [26] - Quote In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp.
Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 27	Posted - 2016.01.23 23:56:45 - [27] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec. EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10390	Posted - 2016.01.24 02:29:12 - [28] - Quote Where did the guy you quoted complain that he wasn't making that in high sec? Ace Lapointe wrote: Altair Taurus wrote: In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec. EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2445	Posted - 2016.01.24 03:53:25 - [29] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal... Excellent. Please stop your exploration activities immediately and go in search of greener pastures.
Orlacc 941	Posted - 2016.01.24 05:09:11 - [30] - Quote The RNG has been nerfed???? "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 27	Posted - 2016.01.24 05:30:17 - [31] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Where did the guy you quoted complain that he wasn't making that in high sec? Ace Lapointe wrote: Altair Taurus wrote: In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec. EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward. Quote: "Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal..." - Altair Taurus, 2016
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 1117	Posted - 2016.01.25 08:27:44 - [32] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices? Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers. Good luck.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:42:58 - [33] - Quote "Week of truth" is coming...
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10442	Posted - 2016.01.27 18:41:51 - [34] - Quote I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next! Morrigan LeSante wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices? Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers. Good luck. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 1006	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:19:09 - [35] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next! Morrigan LeSante wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices? Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers. Good luck. What top men?
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13506	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:24:24 - [36] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Bumblefck wrote: I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next! Morrigan LeSante wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices? Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers. Good luck. What top men? Top......Men
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1285	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:41:32 - [37] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Market Economy brah! If the supply is there, but the demand isn't; prices drop. If demand is there, but supply isn't; prices rise. Which is why PLEX is so expensive. 1. Largest battle in video game history. 2. Losers ragequit. 3. Funding of supercaps via GTC's converted to PLEX to gain ISK in game reduced by half 4. Price of PLEX doubles. 5. (reduce) profit. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Ginnie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 89	Posted - 2016.01.27 22:06:10 - [38] - Quote First of all, I run combat sites often and sometimes you win, sometimes you win BIG, and sometimes you "lose." I enjoy them because of the randomness of the different sites. Exploration is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you are going to get! Also, with regards to the market, I've seen Faction Ammo swing pretty radically within a couple of weeks. I placed some on the market not to long ago at almost 800K, the price two weeks later was around 400K, then a few days later mine sold. Like the NYSE, swinging widely! All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 269	Posted - 2016.01.31 00:24:46 - [39] - Quote I've been playing 9 months and I feel like my Serpentis loot has been pretty steady @lunettelulu7
Funky Koval Bad Artists 14	Posted - 2016.02.01 18:04:40 - [40] - Quote I have run over twenty 5/10s and 6/10s in the past month and I have to say that it's mostly a psychological issue with me. When you know that a site can drop 800+ mil in modules, and you keep getting mostly poop it really starts feeling like an unrewarding grind (which in all honesty, it actually kinda is). Still not the worst return on your time in terms of isk/hr, although you need to hit that good drop once in a while in order to really make it worthwhile. In my case, at least I got a boatload of pirate cruiser BPs, so I average probably above 200 mil per site (bounties etc included). But then again, I remember times when a Pithum C invuln was worth two PLEX ... Hisec exploration was the king, no risk, huge profits - one just had to go the right way about it to be able to beat the competition. I guess this kind of goodness will not return anytime soon ;). What has changed, really is not that it's not profitable , or "ruined", it's just that - as some previous posters have said - the prices of a lot of the loot have dropped, while the price of PLEX steadily raises.

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