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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:19:00 -
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Go passive. Unless you use faction equipment and/or a gang assist module boosting ship it is far better.
To compare: your setup has a regeneration of 96 shield/sec and as only harderner an invul field.
A setup with 2 LSE2, 3 SPR2 and 2 purger rigs does a max regen of 105 shield/sec. AND has room for 3 harderners instead of only 1. And does the same dps - more for most missions actually since your tank will be fine with only 2 SPR2 for the majority of them.
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Allestin Villimar
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel DG/CN launchers are still better even if you have lvl5 in the spec. 10.5 base ROF vs 10.8 base ROF.
Around 500 mil for those though of cource, but if you already spent 3 bil+ for the other mods thats not an huge issue.
Yeah, but remember that they also get a large effect from rate of fire bonuses due to having a larger base number. If you've got heavy missile spec at level 5 and 3 BCUs, you're only going to be firing about a tenth of a second slower than the cn/dg ones, so the dps difference will be minimal. That being said, faction launchers can fit slightly more missiles, so they are better in that aspect.
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.16 12:51:00 -
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Uh... that does not matter at all. The relation stays exactly the same, be it with 0 BCUs or with 5 BCUs.
The DG/CN launcher will only do around 5% more dps than a t2 launcher with spec 4, but it will do that difference no matter which other fittings you have.
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Chung Pow
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Chung Pow on 08/12/2007 17:07:23 Any setups for veng 5 of 5?
I had some folks ask me to help them with a mission some time ago...I was flying my nighthawk and had encounted very little resistance on any mission. However, I took on the challenge..with one slight mistake...I didnt ask what they were flying before I went in....solo...the whole room had been pulled and I immdiatly new I was gonna have a problem. I allways keep a osprey with shield transporters standing by just in case I get into trouble....well I warped the osprey in as fast as I could push the button. just in the ammount of time it took me to get alligned to warp I popped my nighthawk...the osprey came out of warp at about that time as well...POP!!
After all that I had asked them what they were flying...2 of them were in navy battleships, 1 in a regular battleship, and 1 in an astarte. I thought to myself...NICE!!! What a noob I am for not asking that first.
The only way we were able to complete the mission was with me getting into a basilisk with 5 permarun large shield transporters on the astarte...still almost lost the astarte. Most of these folks were 40+ mil skill points.
Can anyone please help me with a setup in case I run into that again. for that mission specificly.
Thanks
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.15 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Bacci Galu on 15/12/2007 02:44:18 6 hvy t2 drone link ::::::::: DG Invul Gist B Photon 1 x LSE 2 Gist B Shield Boost Amp Dread Guristas Large Shiled booster ::::::::: 4 x PDU 2 1 x Caldari Navy Ballistic controller ::::::::: 2 times CCC rigs ::::::::: Drones to suit mission ----------------
Will run any lvl 4 with no dramas... And will do so not breaking a sweat... * And u will only need to swap drones and ammo...its a generic fit For the record i have run all caldari lvl 4's solo in this..but i will admit its better if u have a wingman in the same ship (like i do)... u peel through lvl 4's like butter..
*That is if u are not an idiot and know what ure doing (ie trigger spawns, drone management ect)
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Zerode
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Posted - 2007.12.22 14:34:00 -
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My lvl4 setup
High dps and godlike tank 700-800dps tank on uniform damage, 800-1100dps tank against Therm and Kinetic rats. 600-665dps of gank isn't to bad, makes missioning barable.
Even using nothing but T2 gear this setup can solo all lvl4 missions easy.
High: 6 Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launchers 1 Dronelink Augmentation
Mid: 10MN Afterburner (T2, Caldari Navy or Officer) 2 Active hardners (T2, Caldari Navy or Officer) * For omni res tanking take off the AB and put on 1 officer EM hardner and 2 Caldari Navy Invulnerability Fields. (90% res average and 24/7 cap stable) 2 Large Shield Extenders II
Low: 3 Caldari Navy Balistic Control Systems 2 Shield Power Relay II
Rigs: 2 Core Defence Field Purger II
Drones: 5 Small T2 Scout Drones
Some nice hardwiring and a snake set on top of this and you're set. |
Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.12.22 14:45:00 -
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Here's mine, bought a few of the gist boosters back when the plexes were farm-tastic:
6 x HML 2, tractor -- Gist B-type LSB Gist B-Type Amp 2 x Dread Invul 1 x Other hardener -- 3 x BCU 2 2 x Cap flux 2 -- 2 x CCC
Doubt I'd shell out for this at current prices though.
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Mythro
Caldari Deep Space Construction
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:42:00 -
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I've been running lvl 4's with this setup for quite a while and have had little to no issue with it:
Hi: 6x HML T2 (rof of 4.86 seconds), Tractor beam(for decent loot in missions) Mid: 1 large shield booster T2, 4 rat spec hardeners (I use 2 cal navy just for the cpu bonus) Low: 3 bcu's T2, 2 pdu T2
rig: 2 ccc's This setup needs the 2 faction hardeners to run the tractor beam otherwise it won't fit and you might as well stick with all T2's for the hardeners. This isn't an indefinite tank but it does enough to offset you till you kill the hard hitting rats.
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Taloic
Caldari Black Watch Regiment New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.29 02:45:00 -
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Well I may as well toss in my 2 cents. My Universal level 4 Mish setup IE Never change Hardeners Never change Damage types. Cost me just over 1 bil Ship and Mods though I did have 2 CN BCS already when I went from a Torp CNR to a Nighthawk. To be honest im haveing alot more fun in the NH then my old CNR and seeing standard heavys break 2.5 mil BS's is halarious.
Highs 6 Caldari Navy HML - useing standard scourges for 420 dps, Command Ship 5 and Rapid Reload 5 boost it up.
Even the Blood Raider and Gurista Vengence 2.5mil BS's go pop. Standard scourges because Navy are just not cost effective 25isk per missle or 1500isk per missle hmmm. With navys 482 dps ya its 62 more but not cost effective.
Mids Em 69 Therm 91 Kin 88 Exp 87 2 DG Invuln fields 3 Large Shield Extender 2's 106 peak regen 623 defense rateing according to EFT dont really pay much attention to the latter though.
This tank has been more then enough for every misson ive run and ive run Level 4's in all but Minmar space. " Yea im collecting the whole set of Navial Ships and getting JC's all over the place "
Im currently running mish for the Amarr Ministry of War so ive been hit by everything the Sansha and Blood Raiders can throw at me still never got below 40% so 68% resist is plenty.
Lows
3 Caldari Navy BCS - Extra Dps > Extra Tanking there is such a thing as overtanking a mission class. 2 SPR II's
Rigs
2 Core Defense Purger I's
Not sure if I really want to waste the cash on 2's since ive never needed any extra Tanking ability on a level 4.
Drones
5 mish specific tech 2 light scout drones I do swap these depending on what im fighting.
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2008.02.23 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 16/10/2007 13:01:25 Uh... that does not matter at all. The 10.5/10.8 relation stays exactly the same, be it with 0 BCUs or with 5 BCUs.
That assumes that you get 10.8 base ROF out of the box for HML IIs - you don't. HM Spec V will take at least a month of training and it does nothing at all usefull other than bringing the ROF from 12 to 10.8 for HML IIs since nothing else is affected by this skill. CN HML load more missiles AND fire faster requiring nothing extra invested skills wise. I'll opt for them every time. (I'm sure T2 missiles are great but aren't they an overkill for a mission running NH?)
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Lumberjackhammer
Caldari Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.23 17:42:00 -
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for lvl 4`s you dont wanna go all tank, its safe yes, but a nighthawk is always safe if you look on the screen when flying it :)
go 3 shield power relays' 1 em 2 invulvs 2 extenders and 2 purger rigs
gives you 106/s recharge, wich is enough for any mission as long as you sit at the computer when running them.
with 2 bcu`s, 7 launchers and cn ammo you get a bit over 500 dps, wich isnt far away from a cruise raven.
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Taloic
Caldari Black Watch Regiment New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lumberjackhammer for lvl 4`s you dont wanna go all tank, its safe yes, but a nighthawk is always safe if you look on the screen when flying it :)
go 3 shield power relays' 1 em 2 invulvs 2 extenders and 2 purger rigs
gives you 106/s recharge, wich is enough for any mission as long as you sit at the computer when running them.
with 2 bcu`s, 7 launchers and cn ammo you get a bit over 500 dps, wich isnt far away from a cruise raven.
Ok how are you fitting 7 HML's on a ship with 6 launcher hardpoints.
Besides with 6 HML's fireing Cn ammo you get just under 500 dps but its not cost efficient. 34 isk per missle useing scourge or 1500 isk per missle useing CN ammo. You run the missons just as fast useing scourge heavies rather then CN scourge heavies so its really a no brainer.
Unless of course you enjoy cutting into your profit margins and blowing 500k to 1 mil in missles each mission.
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Lumberjackhammer
Caldari Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.23 20:04:00 -
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I meant 6 launchers ofcourse, and cn ammo doesnt cost that much if you buy it from the LP store.
I make more isk per hour this way anyways
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Dr Sublime
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.01 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Sublime on 01/04/2008 03:04:59 Anyone have a current passive tank set up to recommend for lvl 4/5 Missions?
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thorax spartan
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: thorax spartan on 01/04/2008 07:26:20 my passive lvl4 setup is highs 6 x hml t2 1 x tractor beam meds 1 x photon scatering t2 2 x invul field t2 2 x lse t2 lows 2 x bcu t2 1 x pdu t2 2 x spr t2 5 x light t2 drones
i have solo'd all lvl4's in this with out any probs at all including the ae bonus room but i havnt seen that mission in ages as for lvl5's i havnt tried them so cnt help you with that m8e hope this helps please note i have all shield skills to at least lvl4 passive regen and max shield hp both lvl5
thorax spartan ceo - legion industries proud member of v3
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Verrain Ravenlark
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Posted - 2008.04.01 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: JenDen Got question. My current fit is this:
6 T2 HML
1 T2 Large Shield Extender 1 T2 Large Shield Booster 3 Race specific hardeners
3 T2 PDU 2 T2 BCU
Planning on getting Rof rig but the problem is CPU. Got Electronics 5 and WU 5, but still I can only fit that rig with lvl5 at missile launcher rigging (which would take a bit). Will probably get 1 cap recharge rig and swap 1 PDU for BCU, but again will suffer from lack of CPU. Is fractional gear the only solution?
If you run the numbers you do just as well for DPS adding a field purger rig instead of a rate of rife rig and adding another BCU.
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Elsdragon
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Posted - 2008.05.10 19:15:00 -
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[LOWS] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
[MIDS] Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field
[HIGHS] Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher Small Tractor Beam I
[RIGS] Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I
[DRONES] Hobgoblin II x5
[STATS] TANK: EM/THERM/KIN/EXP - 88/92/90/89 (492 DPS omni-tank) DPS: 621 DPS (539 missile/82 drone) SPEED: 541 M/S (BS tracking fail) 10.7s align CAP: -19.4/+19.7 (with tractor off...) RANGE: 80km heavies/75km target SIZE: 285m2 signature (Large turrets/cruise/torps fail)
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Soong Hay
Caldari TAKAGI Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.10 23:59:00 -
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So, just to make sure I got it right. If I want to do l4 mission in a Nighthawk I'm going to have to spend ten time the amount of isk I would spend on a raven?
I'm 40 days away from boarding in the coolest Caldari vessel but I don't have the fund to spend a billion on a fit to buckle up my missions.
Is there a way to still be efficient (even just 20% less than a raven) and not burn my wallet down? How much would cost (in an average) a reasonable nighthawk fit? And how much cost a reasonable raven fit?
I'm kind of reluctant to fly a raven, it's to me one of the ugliest ship in this game
Thanks
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Dearest Wish
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.11 01:09:00 -
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Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Gistum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Gistum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Gistum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Tanks 2.6k Guristas DPS. Used for Level 5's. So just replace some SPR's for BCU's where/when you want for level 4's.
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Waxau
The Fated Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Waxau on 11/05/2008 01:39:26 WTF....Geez...
Right - simple fit, ive always used it, breaks any tanks, tanks any rooms, even with full aggro.
3 LSE, 2 rat specific hardeners, 1 shield recharger. lows = mix of SPR II, BCU II and should you need it, an RCU/PDU
highs = default 6 HML
rigs = purgers
Oh and btw - full t2 is needed, but no where further.
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Grendel Marqun
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 11/05/2008 01:39:26 WTF....Geez...
Right - simple fit, ive always used it, breaks any tanks, tanks any rooms, even with full aggro.
3 LSE, 2 rat specific hardeners, 1 shield recharger. lows = mix of SPR II, BCU II and should you need it, an RCU/PDU
highs = default 6 HML
rigs = purgers
Oh and btw - full t2 is needed, but no where further.
WTB NH with 6 mids.
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Osta N'Slick
Gallente Galactic Praetorian and Fabrication Coterie
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Posted - 2008.05.11 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Osta N''Slick on 11/05/2008 15:22:54
Originally by: Soong Hay So, just to make sure I got it right. If I want to do l4 mission in a Nighthawk I'm going to have to spend ten time the amount of isk I would spend on a raven?
Of course not. :)
I've never seen a reason to buy any faction gear for my passive tanked NH. Faction launchers cant use t2 missiles which I use for a lot of close to mid ranged BS. CN BCS... well, maybe I'll get those. :)
Current setup is -
6x HML II, Drone Link Aug 3x rat specific hards II, 2x LSE II 3x BCS II, 2x SPR II
I think the pressure to buy faction gear for a Raven is a bit greater because of how much a faction booster and amp can improve your tank.
With a passive NH there's no great need for anything faction, imo.
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Ortos
Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter 6x heavy II 3x large shield extender II. 2x magnetic scattering II, shiled recharger II 5x SPR II
ultimate tank, use furys
Havent looked in to this really, but has anyone got any experience with "capless" setups in order to get the additional DPS you usually get off BCU's thru using Fury's instead?
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Soong Hay
Caldari TAKAGI Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:54:00 -
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Thanks for your answer Osta
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Grendel Marqun
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ortos
Originally by: Dr Fighter 6x heavy II 3x large shield extender II. 2x magnetic scattering II, shiled recharger II 5x SPR II
ultimate tank, use furys
Havent looked in to this really, but has anyone got any experience with "capless" setups in order to get the additional DPS you usually get off BCU's thru using Fury's instead?
For $diety's sake, WHY?? Unless you guys have found some magic mission that's at least 3 times as bad as I've ever seen, there is no reason at ALL to have some holycrapludicrous tank. You can fit a passive regen/active hardener setup that blows the Drake away tankwise, and have 3 bcs for DPS, AND use Furys if you insist on T2 ammo for truly insane dps.
What is this fascination with overtanking mission ships, anyway? Why cripple your dps to add more tank that you will never need? Yeah, sure, I could set my ship up to tank god himself, but why bother? 3 BCS II adds more than 50% to your missile DPS over having none. I see the same thing in Drake threads. Obscene tanks, and DPS that isn't that much better than a well fitted Caracal, ffs! Do people actually LIKE taking 3 hours to finish a mission?
And to be constructive (presuming I didn't miss an identical one somewhere in the thread):
6 HML II 2 LSE II, 3 rat-spec hardeners 2 SPR II, 3 BCS II 2 CDFP I 5 T2 light drones
Deals 430ish dps with scourge and hornet 2s, 370ish if you're not kinetic-based. Call it 500/430 if you go for the fury option, but the range sucks. Out tanks the Drake I used to fly, and I never lost one of those, either.
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Ortos
Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 20:52:00 -
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A truely insane passive tank allows me to watch movies while playing EVE. Very usefull for killing booredom.
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Will Tippin
Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:02:00 -
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I have faction bcu's and launchers only, just for making killing stuff quicker... a t2 tank on a nighthawk is more than enough for lvl4 missions imo...
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cianide pro
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 -
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6 t2 heavy launchers
t2 large shield booster t2 shield boost amp t2 cap recharger t2 pasive em hardener t2 invul
3 t2 balistic controls 2 t2 cap power relays
1 cap recharge rig 1 warhead calefaction catalyst
in combination with a 5% rof implant you will get a rof of 4.6 sec and get 335 damage on scourges can run the shield boostre non stop aswel .
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DaJokr
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: DaJokr on 28/05/2008 22:53:28 Edit; Was same setup as Grendel with a couple exceptions, I use 2 Invuln II and an EM II, and when the tank is really going to take some abuse, I take the hit with less DPS by removing a BCU and fitting a 3rd SPR.
My 0.02 isk worth.
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Will Tippin
Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:33:00 -
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hmm, i see many of you fit 2x invulns, a photon and 2 large extenders..
for me, the second invuln gives only a few percentages more resists (3-4% extra). seems it would be much better with a shield recharger (15% better recharge rate) 1x invuln, 1x photon and the 2 extenders? or am i missing some math thing here?
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