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Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: JenDen I'm really looking to maximise the dps, so I want to go for 4xBCUs. Will there be enough cap to run Gist X-Type LSB, 2xDG Invuls + 1xDG Hardener with only 1 PDS t2 and 2xCCC rigs?
Plenty of cap, providing you dont want to run the booster permanently. In my opinion its really not worth using the 4th BCU, its penalty stacked to hell. If you really want to maximise your damage get yourself the new 5% to heavy missile damage implant and either 5% ROF or 5% all missile damage. Then use that spare slot for another PDU or a damage control, 4th BCU might make you money 3-4% quicker but a DCU could save that very expensive setup in an emergency.
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JenDen
Caldari LFS Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 01:54:00 -
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Thank you for the quick response.
I was worrying because I used to have to have one cap rig and 2 PDUs t2, and with LSB running + 3x active race-specific hardeners I was slowly but certainly running out of cap.
Also I'm now looking through the implants in my LP store and besides the one for +5% rof (slot 10) which I already have I can see only 1 new implant that can be beneficial - +5% heavy missile damage (slot 7). Is there a specific corp that gives away +5% all missile damage implant?
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Kaynard Stormwalker
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:39:00 -
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So many overkill setups ! If you overtank it, the dps goes down a lot, so it kinda sucks.
I guess the point in using the NH is that it has a very nice tank, so you don't need to focus so much on it.
Currently my lvl 4 setup is: - Highs - 6 T2 HML 1 T1 Tractor
- Meds - 2 T2 Hardeners (depending on the mission - usually 2x invul works for 80% of them) 2 T2 LSE 1 T2 Shield Recharger (No joke !)
- Lows - 3 T2 BCU (More than 3 is just silly, IMO) 2 T2 SPR (Shield power relay)
- Rigs - 2 T1 CDP (Core defense filed purger)
- Drones - 5x T2 Hobgoblins (Or warriors, depends on my mood)
So far I've been able to finish ALL lvl 4 missions. Never got the new ones though, so I dunno about that, but Worlds Collide is CAKE (It's the mission I had more problems with my mission raven so..).
What can be improved ? Well, I don't know, I really *don't* need any faction crap. Unless its for more dmg.
Maybe there's harder missions which I didn't try yet (the new ones maybe).
*SPEED* - Hell, this ship needs an AB/MWD to do missions like Recon/WC. It's so annoying to slowboat...so maybe faction mods to free grid for a T2 AB.
So far this setup should do for everything.
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Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: JenDen Thank you for the quick response.
I was worrying because I used to have to have one cap rig and 2 PDUs t2, and with LSB running + 3x active race-specific hardeners I was slowly but certainly running out of cap.
That might have been the problem. The only booster you can realistically (without t2 rigs etc.) perma-run is a c-type and possibly a b-type. With the X-type you will gradually run out of cap. Then you just need to turn it off every once in a while and let your shields run down while the cap recharges, then turn it back on for a while.
Originally by: JenDen
Also I'm now looking through the implants in my LP store and besides the one for +5% rof (slot 10) which I already have I can see only 1 new implant that can be beneficial - +5% heavy missile damage (slot 7). Is there a specific corp that gives away +5% all missile damage implant?
My mistake, there isnt an all missile damage implant, only one for all turrets. Its just the ROF and the 5% heavy missile ones which will be useful. However, there are some new cap implants a slot 6 -5% recharge time and a slot 8 5% cap amount. These ought to be able to get the booster permarunning with two CCCs and two t2 PDS, if you are dead set on running it permanently.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:28:00 -
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I can't believe almost none of these setups uses an AB for missions...
most acknowledge the NH's nice tanking abilities but still stick some more tank stuff in 1 of the medslots...
I dunno, but i like speed as well, and fitting a 10MN T2 ab with some gangskills gets me a respectable 440m/sec which is nice for getting into/out of range of stuff
then again, after reading some of these posts, i might try out a 4th BCU, allthough i was under the impression that after 3, the 4th one should make hardly any difference?
Can someone post a few stats mebbe? anyways, gonna try to replace my damage control for a 4th bcu and see if there is any difference (if i can get it to fit hehehe) CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.14 08:49:00 -
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6x Heavy Launcher II 1x Whatever
1x Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1x Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field 1x Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
3x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System 1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Damage Control II
2x CCC
5x Hornet II
Tanking with no loss of DPS, makes L4 a bit boring :/
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Ja'kar
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.14 10:41:00 -
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sorry to they op - just want to ask a question - or NH better then ravens for low sec missions or it don't matter (am thinking of the missions and probes etc
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IceCreamMonster
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Posted - 2007.08.05 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire 6x Heavy Launcher II 1x Whatever
1x Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1x Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field 1x Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
3x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System 1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Damage Control II
2x CCC
5x Hornet II
Tanking with no loss of DPS, makes L4 a bit boring :/
Why are you using T2 Launchers when you using pith boosters and DG invul? Why not match the rest of the pimp setup with DG Launchers or Navy Launchers? Unless you are using T2 ammo?
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MaidMarion
FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.05 22:24:00 -
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NH has great tank, but poor dps compared to raven, which is still the better choice for lv4s. I think i'd invest in a CNR before another Nighthawk, unless we talkin pvp
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 06/08/2007 20:59:43 6xHMII;1 Tractor 2xLSEII;InvulnII;Rat specific Hardener T2;Shield Recharger T2 2xNavy BCS;3xSPR T2 2xPurger T1
5 T2 small drones (Hobgoblin or Hornet)
I have a full set of +4 Halos.
This can handle every L4 mission I have run over the last three months. Guristas Recon 1/3 sometimes pushes the shield down to 42% if the jamming gets out of hand but probably can't break the tank. Most missions don't even get the shield beow 60%.
The only problem I have is with Rachen Masuna. Until I got the Navy BCS I had to rely on my drones helping out and it had to be the right kind of drones as well (T2 Hornet). With the Navy BCS I can at last take him down without the drones but I usually have them help out anyway otherwise it takes ages.
It's slower at running L4 missions than a CNR (but not by much) but the tank is safer. I don't currently think there's an L4 mission in the game that can break my tank. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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port22
Royal Crimson Lancers
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Posted - 2007.08.09 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: port22 on 09/08/2007 10:17:49
Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 06/02/2007 12:57:31 öOriginally by: Gee'Kin'Lam 6 x heavy l t2 1 gisti large repper 1 amp t2 1 inv t2 2 rat specific rat hardners t2 1 damage control t2 3 pdu t2 1 cap relay 1 cap rig tier 1ö
Surly replaceing the PDUÆs, cap relays and cap rig for shield relays T2 and a purger rig and the amp and gistis mod for large shield extenders T2 then replace the damage control with a PDS T2 and you would get a much tougher tank with more HP regen. The ships made to passive tank I dont see any point in active tanking it.
In my opinion these ships still beg to be passive shield tanked after bc shield nerf.
Lets just say it tanks lvl 4 missions solo no problem with my setup, which isnt exactly a big secret but I will not post here. And my Vulture, well, im sure you can imagine :)
BTW Pottsey, I take my hat off to you, the passive shield regen master! :D
Originally by: Temp Boi Port FTMFW Period.
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MaidMarion
FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:43:00 -
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Yea, Vulture can fit a mean passive tank, tho I fit active tank + cap inj when running with 3 - 4 gang mods.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:41:00 -
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6x T2 Heavies + Faction Ammo
1x Pithum A-Type Medium SB 1x Cap Rec II 1x Active Faction Hardener 1x Active Faction Hardener (other damage type) 1x Passive Faction Hardener (for the primary damage type)
3x T2 or faction BCU 2x Flux Coil IIs
2x Bay Loading Accelerator Is
High support skills + high launcher spec gives about 550 dam/sec, very nice setup
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Mariko Musashi
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:54:00 -
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This is my setup
high:6x heavy t2, 1x tractor beam
mid: 1x rat specific active(domination cause of low cap use) 1x domination invul (low cap use) 2x large shield ext, 1x dread passive rat specific.
Low 3x bcu 2x spr 2
I can run tank FOREVER(even though i use both invul and rat specific, cause the rat specific domi is 10 cap use, and the domo invul is 16, and both are pretty cheap)
And with the shieldpower relay 2s in low instead of pdus, i get faster shield regen than most other posts here.
It all fits just barely >)
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nos veratu
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Posted - 2007.08.09 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: nos veratu on 09/08/2007 16:21:31 setup:
6 x Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launchers
3 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x hardener of choice
1 x Power Diagnostic System II 2 x Shield Power Relay II 2 x Caldari Navy Ballsitic Control System
2 x core defence field purger rigs
5 x t2 small drones
can fit lots of stuff in the last remaining hi slot. maybe a drone link or a small smartbomb?
works for me
had an RCU instead of a PDU
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Gul Rashen
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.08.09 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gul Rashen on 09/08/2007 21:13:44
Originally by: MaidMarion NH has great tank, but poor dps compared to raven, which is still the better choice for lv4s. I think i'd invest in a CNR before another Nighthawk, unless we talkin pvp
If you compare the Standard-Fittings the NH has with Kin more DPS than a Cruise-Raven, with active Fitting and 4 BCS its not far behind a Cruise-CNR with 3 BCS. It sucks a bit on the other DMG-Types but with its precision Bonus its Killspeed is still high. Compared to a Torp-Raven the DPS is much slower, but the Killspeed not. I take out Rachen Mysuna with my NH in a Minute and ten seconds and need for a Guristas Extravaganza with Bonus-Stage 1h15, with my Torp-CNR i'm not much faster and in some Missions i'm still faster with my NH. And the NH is very comfortable, no need to change the Fitting or the Ammo between the missions.
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Captin hero
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Posted - 2007.08.29 10:20:00 -
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6x T2 heavy missiles 1x T2 small nos ------------------ 1x T2 invul shield 1x Em passive amp 2x t2 large shield extenders 1x T2 shield recharger ------------------ 5x T2 shield power releys ------------------ 2x shield recharge rigs
Who said worlds collide lvl 4 was hard ???????
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Gold Nine
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Posted - 2007.08.29 20:40:00 -
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i'm getting about 90 shield p/s recharge on EFT is that really enough to tank a level 4? i've not ran any in a long time and i remember some of the missions i had problems doing them with a XL II / boost amp on a raven, was about 2 years ago though
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.29 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 29/08/2007 22:06:00 Yes.
Most at least. I am not sure about enemies abound and the tougher WC versions (aka *not* serp/gurista), but everything else should be rather relaxing.
I am running them in a drake with currently 114 peak (and BC4 so only a 20% resistance bonus) and am doing fine. Vs everything but sansha/blood the NH will have due to its resitance bonuses a more effective tank (with a 3 harderner, 2 LSE2, 1 shield recharges, 3 purger1, 2 SPR2 on a drake vs 3 harderner, 2 LSE2, 2 purger1, 2 SPR2 on the NH). (Note: your 90 peak number suggests you are using a SR2 instead a 3rd harderner. Don't do that, a 3rd harderner is more effective, even if it gets the 3rd stacking penality. Unless you use 3 invul fields, but that would be kinda dumb for most lvl4s.)
And vs blood/snasha it will still have around 90% of the drakes effective tank. If it fits a 3rd SPR2 it will have a superior tank there, too.
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Umbriele
Gallente Natural Inventions
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Posted - 2007.09.01 15:34:00 -
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With the following setup I do all the lvl4 never warped away and the harder mission takes 30-40 minutes:
6x heavy II 2x LSE II 2X magnetic amp II 1x explosive amp II 3x SPR II 2x BCU II
rigs 2x purge I 5 hobgoblin II
T2 damage missile on BS, I think this setup is better than raven in terms of speed
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Allestin Villimar
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Posted - 2007.09.15 19:26:00 -
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This is the set up I'm looking at: High: 6x T2 Heavy Launchers, 1x Drone Link Augmentor Med : 1x CN/DG Invuln Field, 2x passive CN/DG EM resists, 2x T2 LSE Low : 1x T2 BCU, 4x SPR Rigs: 2x Core Defence Purger
Gives 80% or more to every resist, a launcher rate of around 5.5, and a regen of around 150. With better implants you can get better numbers. If you have maxed out shield compensation skills having the invuln field off only gives a net loss of about 10% to each resist.
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Mia Fatalis
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Posted - 2007.09.16 11:40:00 -
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while i realize there are about a billion setups in this thread already, ill put mine up whynot .
i hate passive tanking, so i went with: high: 6x heavy launchers t2 1x medium nos (cause it fits) mids: 1x Pith x-type large shield booster 2x resistance amps (t2 or faction, mission specific) 2x shield boost amps t2 (or faction) lows: 4x pdu t2 (for permarunning the pith) 1x bcu t2 OR 2-3x pdu t2 (wont permarun, but more damage) 2-3x bcu t2 rigs: 2x CCC rig
with this setup the booster runs 599.9 shield/3.2 seconds, with kinetic/thermal resists close to 90% with lvl 5 compensation, other resists slightly lower if specifically hardened. does anything i throw at it (if slower then my torp raven) without any trouble, angel extra bonus room doesnt do anything to this tank .
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Sergis
Caldari Life Extermination Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.25 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: JenDen Got question. My current fit is this:
6 T2 HML
1 T2 Large Shield Extender 1 T2 Large Shield Booster 3 Race specific hardeners
3 T2 PDU 2 T2 BCU
Planning on getting Rof rig but the problem is CPU. Got Electronics 5 and WU 5, but still I can only fit that rig with lvl5 at missile launcher rigging (which would take a bit). Will probably get 1 cap recharge rig and swap 1 PDU for BCU, but again will suffer from lack of CPU. Is fractional gear the only solution?
That is a totally poor setup you never want to mix shield boosting with LSEs...pick one or the other. --- Evil Thug [RAT.]<.-A-.> hits you, doing 24601.0 damage. Doomsday Devices aren't nice |
Talo Momoe
Caldari War-Torn
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Posted - 2007.09.30 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Talo Momoe on 30/09/2007 18:45:58 High: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (with Scourge Heavy Missiles) 1x Small Tractor Beam I
Medium: 1x Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster 1x Photon Scattering Field II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Large Shield Extender II
Low: 3x Ballistic Control System II 2x Power Diagnostic System II
Rig: 1x Core Defense Field Purger I 1x Capacitor Control Circuit I
Can solo all Level 4 missions with ease, and do them relatively quickly. There are better tanking setups available, but they gimp damage. This is a good balance of damage output and sustainability. Also, with this setup, you don't care about what the rat type is. No need to change ammo, no need to change hardeners. Resistances are 79.3/84.5/85.4/88.4.
The only thing that's expensive is the Gist booster. I've heard the C-Type is now over 600M. Ridiculous! It was about 200M when I bought mine.
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SmurfR
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Posted - 2007.10.02 17:12:00 -
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My Setup for Lvl 4 Solo:
High: 6 x CNHML (Mission Specific CNHM) 1 x Shield Warfare Link = Shield Harmonizing
Med: Pith X-Type Large SB Large SE II 3 x Shield Hardeners (Mission Specific) (DG or CN)
Low: 3 x CNBCS 1 x PDS II 1 x DC II
Rigs: Ancillary Current Router I Capacitor Control Circuit I
My Alt flies a Catalyst with Salvage and Tractor set up on all missions so i get the Fleet Bonus from Siege Module.
92% Resists for mission specific damage.
No warp outs and clears all lvl 4 Missions with ease.
Looking at getting a Pithum A-Type Med SB so i can Perma Tank.
Fly Safe..
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Fehnrail
Caldari Colossus Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.03 01:40:00 -
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HIGH: 6x HMLII, 1x Medium Modal Laser MED: 2x LSEII, 1x EM Hardener II, 1x Invul II, 1x Shield Recharger II LOW: 3x BCUII, 2x SPRII
2x Purger rigs, 5x Light Drones.
Haven't had any problems with L4s in, well, ever.
...I am a part of all that I have met, Yet all experience is an arch wherethro' Shines that untravell'd world, whose margin fades For ever and for ever as I move... |
E Vile
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Posted - 2007.10.03 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aramis Rosicrux OK, I have been doing trial and error and this is about my favorite (from memory, I am at work now):
High Slot: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x 'spare' (Small Nosferatu, Drone Range Extender, Small Remote Armor Repair, Small Smartbomb, Transport Beam or maybe a Salvager) or you can totally waste the space with a Auto Targeter.
Med: 2x Large Shield Extender II 3x Shield Recharger II
Low: 2x Shield Power Relay II 3x Ballistic Control System
Rigs: 2x Core Defense Field Purger
Drones: 5x Small Combat T-II select for mission, usually Hobgoblins
Now this uses no cap at all. No hardeners, no boosters, no damage controls. You could NOS me all day and I can still fire missiles.
I can't calculate how much damage it can take, but lets just say that with a set of LG Crystal implants, I have not seen it fall below half shields. Ever.
Now, in a Fleet battle I would probably be toasted by the sheer volume of damage, but this ship rocks for Missions, I can even do level fours alone (and we all know how stupid that can be!)
I think the Nighthawk is the best ship I have ever flown, its the only benefit of several millions of skill points I wasted training up all those leadership skills!
Don't crystal implants effect shield boost amount?? How would this help a passive regen setup? "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
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E Vile
Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.09 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: IceCreamMonster
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire 6x Heavy Launcher II 1x Whatever
1x Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1x Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field 1x Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
3x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System 1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Damage Control II
2x CCC
5x Hornet II
Tanking with no loss of DPS, makes L4 a bit boring :/
Why are you using T2 Launchers when you using pith boosters and DG invul? Why not match the rest of the pimp setup with DG Launchers or Navy Launchers? Unless you are using T2 ammo?
I prefer T2 for the spec skill bonus. Takes more skills, but tons less isk.
"The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.09 06:08:00 -
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DG/CN launchers are still better even if you have lvl5 in the spec. 10.5 base ROF vs 10.8 base ROF.
Around 500 mil for those though of cource, but if you already spent 3 bil+ for the other mods thats not an huge issue.
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Hans Angry
Caldari Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.10.16 01:57:00 -
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currently i run, tanks well, no issues so far. i prefer t2 cause i can use it, and faction is a little pricey but ive consitered it. anyone have any opinions on how i can improve?
High: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Gang mod should fit or tractor, whatever you want
Medium: 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Shield Boost Amplifier II 1x Large Capacitor Battery II 1x Cap Recharger II
Low: 2x BCU II 3x PDS II
Rig: 1x Core Defence Operational Solidifier I 1x Capacitor Control Circuit I
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