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Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 272	Posted - 2016.01.24 18:56:23 - [1] - Quote No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13716	Posted - 2016.01.24 19:05:51 - [2] - Quote nope. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Anoron Secheh Strategic Exploration and Development Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance 9	Posted - 2016.01.24 19:15:36 - [3] - Quote Some of the smuggest and cockiest people I've met and seen come from lowsec. Battleships? Yeah, no bombs in lowsec. High-grade Snake pods? Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them in lowsec.
Azda Ja Meticulously Indifferent 4824	Posted - 2016.01.24 19:20:26 - [4] - Quote Grrr.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 9512	Posted - 2016.01.24 19:46:50 - [5] - Quote Low-sec PvP is easy mode? No. It's more of a lateral move from null-sec PvP. Some risks and benefits go away and other risks and benefits pop up. No more bubbles? Okay, sure, you pod is now quite safe. But it is also very, very hard to stop people from Leeroying into a system you are defending. No more bombs? Okay... you can now use bigger ships without fear of being erased by a small squad of unseen ships. But you also have to deal with the reality that others can use the same ships to create medium-sized wrecking-balls of destruction... and there is no easy way to deal with them. NPC stations everywhere? Okay, you no longer have to fear about your station being conquered and thus be locked out from your stuff. But you also have to deal with the reality that your enemies can pretty much live in the same station as you do and can see you whenever you undock. More people and things to do? Okay, you have more entertainment. But you also have to deal with the fact that there is always a hostile of some kind in your system and you never quite know where they are. (NOTE: this is why low-sec players laugh at null-sec people about AFK-cloakers... we deal with that reality everyday) Easier logistics? Okay, you have more security in what things you have and can easily procure something you need. But your enemies have the same ability and you can't really stop them. How did you Veterans start? "Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
rofflesausage State War Academy Caldari State 236	Posted - 2016.01.24 20:12:57 - [6] - Quote This is a 3/10 at best.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6252	Posted - 2016.01.24 20:49:35 - [7] - Quote Thanks for the reminder on why 99% of the thread in GD suck. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43735	Posted - 2016.01.24 20:58:55 - [8] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Thorian Baalnorn Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S 32	Posted - 2016.01.25 01:48:29 - [9] - Quote Different types of pvp in eve explained: High Sec PVP - I like to feel safe when i pvp Low Sec PVP - I'll wait here for easy targets. Faction Warfare PVP- Kamikaze, that is all. NPC Null PVP - i want to do real pvp, but i dont want you to take my stuff. * Sov PVP- I have my own stuff.... but i want yours also. *Wormhole PVP - Im a ninja! Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
Ibutho Inkosi Irubo Kovu 55	Posted - 2016.01.25 03:22:32 - [10] - Quote It's a literal question. You're getting philosophical answers. Doing gang roams in T1 dessies with a bunch of drunk pals for lulz is in no way the meta game for EVE. (This will be 1.) It isn't remotely like building an empire in null sec with a corp of a few dozen active players creating your own infrastructure, manufacturing/mining/marketing operation with an accompanying formidable defense force (and maybe even a bit of offense to expand into others' territories as need should arise) allied with other similar corps with like interests. (This will be 10.) 10 being then "meta" or "hard mode". 1 being "easy" or "drunk bro activity mode". Just place your concept on the scale of 1 to 10.* As in most questions on this forum, you've answered yours in your own post. It is assumed the activity of ganking n00bs still in n00bish states with T3 dessies isn't valid game play so should not be not included would be obvious to anyone who is sober, honest or has half a brain. This is more akin to the digital nail biting with accompanying inter-pants peeing...like real drunks do. What's this CODE for? As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.*
Netan MalDoran Last Garrison 185	Posted - 2016.01.25 03:30:29 - [11] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Low-sec PvP is easy mode? No. It's more of a lateral move from null-sec PvP. Some risks and benefits go away and other risks and benefits pop up. No more bubbles? Okay, sure, your pod is now quite safe. But it is also very, very hard to stop people from Leeroying into a system you are defending. No more bombs? Okay... you can now use bigger ships without fear of being erased by a small squad of unseen ships. But you also have to deal with the reality that others can use the same ships to create medium-sized wrecking-balls of destruction... and there is no easy way to deal with them. NPC stations everywhere? Okay, you no longer have to fear about your station being conquered and thus be locked out from your stuff. But you also have to deal with the reality that your enemies can pretty much live in the same station as you do and can see you whenever you undock. More people and things to do? Okay, you have more entertainment. But you also have to deal with the fact that there is always a hostile of some kind in your system and you will never be able to "clear local" or be without hostiles in system. Ever. (NOTE: this is why low-sec players laugh at null-sec people about AFK-cloakers... we deal with that reality everyday) Easier logistics? Okay, you have more security in what things you have and can easily procure something you need. But your enemies have the same ability and you can't really stop them. As someone who has lived in and pirated in lowsec for almost 2 years, this is 100% true, its not easier, its just as hard only in different ways (And its wayyyy more fun!) You can either go out in a t3 if you have cash to occasionally burn, or just use a t1 frig for some fun kills! I dont really know anywhere in null that you can do solo t1 frig pvp and be successful (Possibly NPC, but idk). Plus the people there tend to have much more RL SP than the null bears so, experience is your winner, SP comes second. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! Falcon's truth
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1859	Posted - 2016.01.25 08:11:25 - [12] - Quote No Akrasjel Lanate CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Chasida Instant Annihilation Northern Army 0	Posted - 2016.01.25 08:33:06 - [13] - Quote Returning player here; is this a new/coming change, or why is this suddenly posted like its a new thing? I am not trolling, I am seriously asking.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13731	Posted - 2016.01.25 09:45:02 - [14] - Quote Chasida wrote: Returning player here; is this a new/coming change, or why is this suddenly posted like its a new thing? I am not trolling, I am seriously asking. op is flamebaiting , nothing to see here Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
RuleoftheBone Stellar Conundrum 12	Posted - 2016.01.25 10:15:20 - [15] - Quote Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Who bought your character?
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 272	Posted - 2016.01.25 14:04:45 - [16] - Quote RuleoftheBone wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Who bought your character? Nobody did. I just don't think low-sec PvPers are as "leet" as they claim to be. As stated earlier, I base my statement on implants. It's so nice to have a full high grade slave set and not have to worry about being podded. Or doing a good RR BS doctrine and not run the risk of being bombed. Must be nice.
Thorian Baalnorn Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S 35	Posted - 2016.01.25 14:56:59 - [17] - Quote Torothin wrote: RuleoftheBone wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Who bought your character? Nobody did. I just don't think low-sec PvPers are as "leet" as they claim to be. As stated earlier, I base my statement on implants. It's so nice to have a full high grade slave set and not have to worry about being podded. Or doing a good RR BS doctrine and not run the risk of being bombed. Must be nice. Honestly you will find most low sec pvpers tend to prey on the same types of people that wardeccers do. These are almost always "carebears" or people trying to sneak in or through low sec for various non pvp activities. In null if you have a small gang roaming around you much more likely to get a fight from other pvpers. Null pvpers tend to be more experienced at pvp but less adapt to solo pvp. In some ways null pvp is more hardcore. In others lowsec pvp ( or null npc) would be harder. In null if you have 5 neuts in system they are likely there to kill you. In lowsec if you have 5 neuts in system only 1 or 2 may be out to kill you. the rest may be managing a POS, trying to ninja rat, in a dock doing various station activities or just passing through on their way to somewhere else. As it was said. They are different types of pvp. I do consider low sec pvp to be easier because you never run the risk of losing access to the dock. So you can always sneak in and collect your things and sneak out. Whereas in null if you dont have docking rights or a JC, your not getting back in the dock unless you take it back. Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2316	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:32:20 - [18] - Quote lived in null most of my days, and lowsec is just more funner "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
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Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2515	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:42:23 - [20] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Low-sec PvP is easy mode? No. It's more of a lateral move from null-sec PvP. Some risks and benefits go away and other risks and benefits pop up. No more bubbles? Okay, sure, your pod is now quite safe. But it is also very, very hard to stop people from Leeroying into a system you are defending. No more bombs? Okay... you can now use bigger ships without fear of being erased by a small squad of unseen ships. But you also have to deal with the reality that others can use the same ships to create medium-sized wrecking-balls of destruction... and there is no easy way to deal with them. NPC stations everywhere? Okay, you no longer have to fear about your station being conquered and thus be locked out from your stuff. But you also have to deal with the reality that your enemies can pretty much live in the same station as you do and can see you whenever you undock. More people and things to do? Okay, you have more entertainment. But you also have to deal with the fact that there is always a hostile of some kind in your system and you will never be able to "clear local" or be without hostiles in system. Ever. (NOTE: this is why low-sec players laugh at null-sec people about AFK-cloakers... we deal with that reality everyday) Easier logistics? Okay, you have more security in what things you have and can easily procure something you need. But your enemies have the same ability and you can't really stop them. Probably the best way to look at it.
Darkstar01 Republic University Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:45:17 - [21] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Low-sec PvP is easy mode? No. It's more of a lateral move from null-sec PvP. Some risks and benefits go away and other risks and benefits pop up. No more bubbles? Okay, sure, your pod is now quite safe. But it is also very, very hard to stop people from Leeroying into a system you are defending. No more bombs? Okay... you can now use bigger ships without fear of being erased by a small squad of unseen ships. But you also have to deal with the reality that others can use the same ships to create medium-sized wrecking-balls of destruction... and there is no easy way to deal with them. NPC stations everywhere? Okay, you no longer have to fear about your station being conquered and thus be locked out from your stuff. But you also have to deal with the reality that your enemies can pretty much live in the same station as you do and can see you whenever you undock. More people and things to do? Okay, you have more entertainment. But you also have to deal with the fact that there is always a hostile of some kind in your system and you will never be able to "clear local" or be without hostiles in system. Ever. (NOTE: this is why low-sec players laugh at null-sec people about AFK-cloakers... we deal with that reality everyday) Easier logistics? Okay, you have more security in what things you have and can easily procure something you need. But your enemies have the same ability and you can't really stop them. Any type of PvP where you are based out of an NPC station, and your corp/alliance has a majority of their members in the NPC station, is easy mode. You don't have to worry much about moving assets, or not being able to get your assets out when your station / system gets taken over. Your enemy cannot force a fight on you, because it's an NPC station and you can just dock up. So you don't have to dedicate as much resources to defending your station / system. The assets in your personal / corp hangar will be safe and movable no matter if you fight, or don't fight, because its an NPC station.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2316	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:50:23 - [22] - Quote are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Darkstar01 Republic University Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:55:47 - [23] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything And all low-sec PvPers how to do is dock up in the NPC station, and try use gate cannon to their advantage. Generally speaking, 0.0 PvP is much harder because: 1. In Sov systems, none of the Stations are immune. Your enemy can force a fight on you, because you need to defend your station. Especially if your corp / alliance has a lot of assets in that station, and will be locked out if the enemy takes it over. 2. You run into blobs 3. On a small scale pvp, there is no gate turret to help if other people engage first.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2316	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:02:21 - [24] - Quote Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything And all low-sec PvPers how to do is dock up in the NPC station, and try use gate cannon to their advantage. Generally speaking, 0.0 Sov PvP is much harder because: 1. In Sov systems, none of the Stations are immune. Your enemy can force a fight on you, because you need to defend your station. Especially if your corp / alliance has a lot of assets in that station, and will be locked out if the enemy takes it over. 2. You run into blobs 3. On a small scale pvp, there is no gate turret to help if other people engage first. in sov you have timers, you dont just instantly lose your station so you have plenty of time to move assets and blue ball people, we also have titans and supers in pos's. you dont get blobs in lowsec? blobs aint a difficult thing it doesnt make pvp harder because everyone has scouts and if your fleet hits a blob then they should have had a scout. gate turrets work both ways, its not really a factor to measure the hardness of pvp again sov mostly know how to blob and most of the time they are easily fooled by a small scale fc who is organised, sov = throw everything you can at everything. "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Darkstar01 Republic University Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:12:51 - [25] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything And all low-sec PvPers how to do is dock up in the NPC station, and try use gate cannon to their advantage. Generally speaking, 0.0 Sov PvP is much harder because: 1. In Sov systems, none of the Stations are immune. Your enemy can force a fight on you, because you need to defend your station. Especially if your corp / alliance has a lot of assets in that station, and will be locked out if the enemy takes it over. 2. You run into blobs 3. On a small scale pvp, there is no gate turret to help if other people engage first. in sov you have timers, you dont just instantly lose your station so you have plenty of time to move assets and blue ball people, we also have titans and supers in pos's. you dont get blobs in lowsec? blobs aint a difficult thing it doesnt make pvp harder because everyone has scouts and if your fleet hits a blob then they should have had a scout. litterally speaking tidi and 200 man fleets where you just follow a conga line and hit f1 isnt hard gate turrets work both ways, its not really a factor to measure the hardness of pvp, fleets have logi and gate guns are not hard to tank again sov mostly know how to blob and most of the time they are easily fooled by a small scale fc who is organised, sov = throw everything you can at everything. Basically, you've just admitted that when you do a hard comparison of game mechanics, 0.0 Sov pvp is more difficult. Because everything you do in 0.0, you can also do in lowsec. In Lowsec, there are no timers, so your stations and assets are invincible 100% of the time. You don't lose your pods so you can always PvP in high grade Slave / Snake / Crystal implants - even your entire fleet can PvP in Snake / Slave / Crystal implants! In Low Sec, blobs are less deadly, because there are no bubbles! Ships can warp away easier from blobs. Also, Supercap logistics is easier in lowsec, because you can more easily set up safe poses in another lowsec system 1 jump away, and cyno your supercap right on the POS. Of course since you're from lowsec, you would like to think lowsec pvp is the most elite of them all - but I am just doing a hard comparison between game mechanics here. And when you compare the game mechanics between the two, 0.0 is more difficult.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 272	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:19:59 - [26] - Quote Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything And all low-sec PvPers how to do is dock up in the NPC station, and try use gate cannon to their advantage. Generally speaking, 0.0 Sov PvP is much harder because: 1. In Sov systems, none of the Stations are immune. Your enemy can force a fight on you, because you need to defend your station. Especially if your corp / alliance has a lot of assets in that station, and will be locked out if the enemy takes it over. 2. You run into blobs 3. On a small scale pvp, there is no gate turret to help if other people engage first. in sov you have timers, you dont just instantly lose your station so you have plenty of time to move assets and blue ball people, we also have titans and supers in pos's. you dont get blobs in lowsec? blobs aint a difficult thing it doesnt make pvp harder because everyone has scouts and if your fleet hits a blob then they should have had a scout. litterally speaking tidi and 200 man fleets where you just follow a conga line and hit f1 isnt hard gate turrets work both ways, its not really a factor to measure the hardness of pvp, fleets have logi and gate guns are not hard to tank again sov mostly know how to blob and most of the time they are easily fooled by a small scale fc who is organised, sov = throw everything you can at everything. Basically, you've just admitted that when you do a hard comparison of game mechanics, 0.0 Sov pvp is more difficult. Because everything you do in 0.0, you can also do in lowsec. In Lowsec, there are no timers, so your stations and assets are invincible 100% of the time. You don't lose your pods so you can always PvP in high grade Slave / Snake / Crystal implants - even your entire fleet can PvP in Snake / Slave / Crystal implants! In Low Sec, blobs are less deadly, because there are no bubbles! Ships can warp away easier from blobs. Also, Supercap logistics is easier in lowsec, because you can easily set up safe poses in another lowsec system 1 jump away, and cyno your supercap right on the POS. Whereas in 0.0, it might be all hostile space and blobs within jumping distanc e. There are also cyno jammers in 0.0. Of course since you're from lowsec, you would like to think lowsec pvp is the most elite of them all - but I am just doing a hard comparison between game mechanics here. And when you compare the game mechanics between the two, 0.0 is more difficult. What about the entities in 0.0 who don't want sov and base out of NPC stations? These entities surround themselves around sov holding alliances leading to a target rich environment for them. Their KB stats are different because the kills generally involve less people and revolve around guerrilla warefare tactics meaning they are not a SOV holding F1 monkey and rack up 150 kills in one fight and claim to have awesome k/d ratios just by hitting F1 and following broadcasts. Just because someone partakes in 0.0 pvp does not mean they always partake in sov pvp. Just throwing that out there.
Darkstar01 Republic University Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:23:15 - [27] - Quote Torothin wrote: Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Darkstar01 wrote: Lan Wang wrote: are people really comparing sov null to lowsec pvp haha, all sov know how to do is blob the hell out of everything And all low-sec PvPers how to do is dock up in the NPC station, and try use gate cannon to their advantage. Generally speaking, 0.0 Sov PvP is much harder because: 1. In Sov systems, none of the Stations are immune. Your enemy can force a fight on you, because you need to defend your station. Especially if your corp / alliance has a lot of assets in that station, and will be locked out if the enemy takes it over. 2. You run into blobs 3. On a small scale pvp, there is no gate turret to help if other people engage first. in sov you have timers, you dont just instantly lose your station so you have plenty of time to move assets and blue ball people, we also have titans and supers in pos's. you dont get blobs in lowsec? blobs aint a difficult thing it doesnt make pvp harder because everyone has scouts and if your fleet hits a blob then they should have had a scout. litterally speaking tidi and 200 man fleets where you just follow a conga line and hit f1 isnt hard gate turrets work both ways, its not really a factor to measure the hardness of pvp, fleets have logi and gate guns are not hard to tank again sov mostly know how to blob and most of the time they are easily fooled by a small scale fc who is organised, sov = throw everything you can at everything. Basically, you've just admitted that when you do a hard comparison of game mechanics, 0.0 Sov pvp is more difficult. Because everything you do in 0.0, you can also do in lowsec. In Lowsec, there are no timers, so your stations and assets are invincible 100% of the time. You don't lose your pods so you can always PvP in high grade Slave / Snake / Crystal implants - even your entire fleet can PvP in Snake / Slave / Crystal implants! In Low Sec, blobs are less deadly, because there are no bubbles! Ships can warp away easier from blobs. Also, Supercap logistics is easier in lowsec, because you can easily set up safe poses in another lowsec system 1 jump away, and cyno your supercap right on the POS. Whereas in 0.0, it might be all hostile space and blobs within jumping distanc e. There are also cyno jammers in 0.0. Of course since you're from lowsec, you would like to think lowsec pvp is the most elite of them all - but I am just doing a hard comparison between game mechanics here. And when you compare the game mechanics between the two, 0.0 is more difficult. What about the entities in 0.0 who don't want sov and base out of NPC stations? These entities surround themselves around sov holding alliances leading to a target rich environment for them. Their KB stats are different because the kills generally involve less people and revolve around guerrilla warefare tactics meaning they are not a SOV holding F1 monkey and rack up 150 kills in one fight and claim to have awesome k/d ratios just by hitting F1 and following broadcasts. Just because someone partakes in 0.0 pvp does not mean they always partake in sov pvp. Just throwing that out there. It depends on what 0.0 NPC system they are based in, but it is still more difficult than lowsec because of the reasons I mentioned above. Also because many of the 0.0 NPC systems are deep inside 0.0, and anything within 1 - 2 Cyno jump is 0.0 Sov space.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2318	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:27:20 - [28] - Quote you just assume ive always lived in lowsec, i moved to lowsec from npc curse where i done small gang fighting mostly against sov, they blob alot with kitchen sink fleets and dont really know how to deal with small organised fleets so they just throw more and more ships at it and hope for the best. i live in lowsec because there is more targets and you have to be a bit more cautious as the systems are alot more populated, you dont always know a neut in lowsec is hostile, you do in sov because neuts should not be in your space "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.25 18:28:26 - [29] - Quote You were basing your argument on 0.0 sov PvP which is F1 monkey PvP. That's equally as bad as low-sec PvP on many levels.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 9522	Posted - 2016.01.25 20:36:20 - [30] - Quote Gaiz! Gaiz! If you helecoper your epeens enough you may yet learn how to fly! How did you Veterans start? "Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
Darkstar01 Republic University Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2016.01.25 21:30:10 - [31] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Gaiz! Gaiz! If you helecoper your epeens enough you may yet learn how to fly! epeens cannot be helicoptered. only dongs can
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative 89	Posted - 2016.01.25 21:32:14 - [32] - Quote Turns out the only "real" PVP is out of game fisticuffs
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6255	Posted - 2016.01.25 22:59:27 - [33] - Quote Thorian Baalnorn wrote: Different types of pvp in eve explained: High Sec PVP - I like to feel safe when i pvp Low Sec PVP - I'll wait here for easy targets. Faction Warfare PVP- Kamikaze, that is all. NPC Null PVP - i want to do real pvp, but i dont want you to take my stuff. * Sov PVP- FC, PLEASE, Tell me exactly when to press F1, otherwise I don't know what to do Wormhole PVP - Im a ninja! Edit to Add: Each "type" of pvp has its advantages and disadvantages. And its unlikely you will convince someone that does a certain type of pvp that yours is better. IMO, No rules PVP or its not PVP. But really it comes down to what type you have the most fun doing. Would you rather hunt target in high sec. like a hound hunting a fox? Would you rather try to catch people at a low sec gate trying to take that shortcut to save them 7 jumps? Would you rather go in guns blazing and see what you can kill before you die? Do you want to pvp with no rules, but you dont want to have to constantly fight to keep your stuff? Do you want to fight for your right to be in that space and try to take over other's space? Do you like lurking in the shadows waiting for someone to enter to try to run a site or mine? Only to have you show up out of nowhere guns blazing and without mercy? FIFY. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2083	Posted - 2016.01.26 12:03:43 - [34] - Quote From a pirates point of view it is actually easy mode PvP, since there is no CONCORD. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7494	Posted - 2016.01.26 12:41:30 - [35] - Quote Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Low is where all my best fights have happened. The only situation where it might be 'easy mode' is if you're overwhelming an oblivious opponent, which is a lot easier to do in nul because bubbles. You ever tried catching anything that knows what they're doing without a bubble? Try it sometime, then tell me it's easy mode. End of the day, though, there's no 'real' pvp, or pvp, there is just pvp. Different tactics for different areas of space, sure, but there's a reason why people with a propensity for solo suck in large fleets, and why people used to large fleets suck at solo. Same reason why people good at PVP in lowsec are gonna have a lot to learn in nul, and vice versa. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2328	Posted - 2016.01.26 13:12:55 - [36] - Quote small/medium gang is where its at in any space "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 267	Posted - 2016.01.26 15:06:55 - [37] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Low is where all my best fights have happened. The only situation where it might be 'easy mode' is if you're overwhelming an oblivious opponent, which is a lot easier to do in nul because bubbles. You ever tried catching anything that knows what they're doing without a bubble? Try it sometime, then tell me it's easy mode. End of the day, though, there's no 'real' pvp, or pvp*, there is just pvp. Different tactics for different areas of space, sure, but there's a reason why people with a propensity for solo suck in large fleets, and why people used to large fleets suck at solo. Same reason why people good at PVP in lowsec are gonna have a lot to learn in nul, and vice versa. Tru fax @lunettelulu7
Malcolm from Marketing Klaatu Technologies 96	Posted - 2016.01.26 15:10:31 - [38] - Quote Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while! Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like 11/10 level. What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13751	Posted - 2016.01.26 16:12:05 - [39] - Quote Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while! Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10 Good to see nothing has changed haha What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? Called it. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Kirk Ernaga The Avocado Mafia Starkmanir Unification 18	Posted - 2016.01.26 18:37:00 - [40] - Quote Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Is apple juice worse then orange juice? Which is better. That is essentially what your asking here. You can get great content anywhere, or ** content anywhere. In a full fleet of rattler, when your outnumbered 1:2, and you win after a long ass fight your ***** on top of the world. Or sometimes you spend an hour docked up for a fight that other guys don't even form for it. Sometimes in lowsec you get a great fright with even numbers where you just sort of edge out. Sometimes no one will fight for a million jumps.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:07:22 - [41] - Quote Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while! Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10 Good to see nothing has changed haha What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? This is a legit debate. If you have nothing of value to add then please refrain from posting. Thank you.
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1197	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:51:20 - [42] - Quote Torothin wrote: You were basing your argument on 0.0 sov PvP which is F1 monkey PvP. That's equally as bad as low-sec PvP on many levels. This meme of *Hurr Sov PVP is F1 Munkey Hurr* has been thrown around so much that irrelevant lowsec garden-gnomes are starting to throw it around. Sov can force you into engaging on a front you aren't prepared to supply or dedicate resources to. The F1 monkey situation can only hold because of the scale of conflict. Sure there are large numbers of people being told by one FC where to align, what range to hod at, what to shoot. Their organisation and discipline allows them to not split damage or straggle and thus contribute to holding the field. Fleet role ships actually play their part, in lowsec HICS n DICS are just uber versions of T1 with a resist profile worth the pricetag. In a sov battle they can hold enemies under damage or slow them down enough to change the course of the day. So you're trolling or ignorant, there is no comparison to be made. The idea that snake implants cannot be lost in lowsec is also flat wrong. Smartbomb rokhs and proteus very often wreck 2bn pods on lowsec gates. It's the fart-joke of pvp. Lowsec pvp is without consequence higher than losing a pos scratching at a skinny moon. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 624	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:44:55 - [43] - Quote Sounds like Null tears to me. We have it so much harder. /tear You have like 1000 or more people to come running to help whenever you have all those issues. Lowsec corps generally are on their own. In null, you get station camped, then the intelligence channel is full of cries. "HALP" "HALP" And a few hundred players come to your rescue. In LS or NPC null, you get station camped. You are on your own, or maybe you can call a few people to your aid, but nothing close to what is available in sov null. LIke shahfluffers said, it's all tradeoffs, but any cries that one is more "real" than the other is just myopic. Players that like LS would probably enjoy NPC null. Oh, and all this talk about LS = complete safety for implants. Whatever. Bombs aren't the only way to take out pods. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:47:31 - [44] - Quote If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13773	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:04:51 - [45] - Quote oh comon dude Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43933	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:04:51 - [46] - Quote Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Cara Forelli Meticulously Indifferent 1496	Posted - 2016.01.27 05:50:54 - [47] - Quote Torothin wrote: Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while! Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of ** posting, like troll level 11/10 Good to see nothing has changed haha What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? This is a legit debate. If you have nothing of value to add then please refrain from posting. Thank you. I guess you should stop posting then. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli** Titan's Lament
Abannan Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 107	Posted - 2016.01.27 08:59:17 - [48] - Quote "Easy mode/Hard mode" PvP is more dependant on you than the security of the system you're fighting in. You could be in nullsec with 200 of your closest friends fighting another man and his 200 friends, you could be in lowsec in a solo battleship fighting a 10 man gate camp. It could also be the other way around, all depends what you're doing really.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.27 11:20:53 - [49] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 252	Posted - 2016.01.27 11:26:20 - [50] - Quote what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?! you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol. Just Add Water
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43946	Posted - 2016.01.27 11:53:09 - [51] - Quote Torothin wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer? A 15:1 kill to loss ratio isn't solely because your somehow gods gift to pvp. It's because, like everyone who is successful at pvp, you mitigate the risk of loss to ensure you have the greatest chance of getting the kill while not dying. The net result is the same. The risk you are facing in your pvp is not all that extreme. Your own stats show that. Certainly no higher than others face in lowsec in their pvp. Nullsec can be every bit just as much pvp on "easy mode". Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.27 13:26:00 - [52] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?! you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol. My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2338	Posted - 2016.01.27 13:48:20 - [53] - Quote people lose implants all the time in lowsec "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 252	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:11:32 - [54] - Quote Torothin wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?! you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol. My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point. i think you heard wrong, lowsec is the "best" place to PvP not the best "form", especially in Gal/Cal FW warzone, you just need to undock to pew. risk aversion is relative, although we prefer small ships (and therefore cheap) we lost a bunch of them in a day, after all, FW is a war of attrition. Just Add Water
Arla Sarain 747	Posted - 2016.01.27 15:58:48 - [55] - Quote Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.27 16:12:32 - [56] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Torothin wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?! you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol. My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point. i think you heard wrong, lowsec is the "best" place to PvP not the best "form", especially in Gal/Cal FW warzone, you just need to undock to pew. risk aversion is relative, although we prefer small ships (and therefore cheap) we lost a bunch of them in a day, after all, FW is a war of attrition. I can also undock and PvP in fountain. There are 7 different hostile alliances within a 7 jump radius of HQ. But I get what you're saying. FW is fun with that regard especially if all you want to do is log in, undock, and PvP. My situation is hard to find most places in 0.0. I used to do the amarr/minnie fw where the HQ for both sides was 2 jumps apart.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7496	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:06:36 - [57] - Quote Torothin wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer? Being in a big fleet, shooting lots of structures, all these things and more add up to the typical nulseccer's 90%+ success rate. Meanwhile, if you're solo in low, and doing better than 50% success rate, there's little chance that some nulsec fleet tramp is going to get the better of you. At least, not without a hundred of his buddies. Sometimes, the risk is its own reward, but there is a big difference between risk mitigation, and risk aversion. I suggest you actually spend some time solo in lowsec before you call it 'easy mode'. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7496	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:12:12 - [58] - Quote Torothin wrote: Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while! Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10 Good to see nothing has changed haha What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? This is a legit debate. If you have nothing of value to add then please refrain from posting. Thank you. A legit debate? You post an antagonistic OP that essentially belittles the average lowsec PVP, and severely underestimates the above average one, with little more than a personal attack on any lowsec PVP'er's ability and/or prowess, and you expect a legitimate debate? You honestly expect people to consider you worth taking seriously? Meth, not even once kids. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7496	Posted - 2016.01.27 20:14:47 - [59] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis. What, with smartbombs? Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Muad 'dib Death By Design Did he say Jump 1410	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:03:54 - [60] - Quote I like low sec and made the move because i like small or solo pvp and also like to dock and take a pee when ever i like, one of the reasons i thought the change to fw docking rights in low sec (strangely not in high sec, instead useless navy) rather annoying and overlooked for those that risk their ass in low sec. implants being safe is a myth, theres still lag, fast lockers and smart smartbombers to eat your HG set. Id really like to see an increase in the number of people in low sec beyond a failed and forgotern faction war. Make the belts more attractive, make sites faster to run and more profit (big flaw in fw is sitting like a duck in a plex for 15 minutes is one DUMB thing to do for a few lp imo (RIP fw after inferno) stop your whining and either pvp/pve in low sec or dont, for those that live there - we have fun amongst ourselves with 1/1000 the drama that 0.0 is. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2343	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:04:24 - [61] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis. What, with smartbombs? Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers. its pretty much just the same as cloaky sabres in null "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:22:36 - [62] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Torothin wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer? Being in a big fleet, shooting lots of structures, all these things and more add up to the typical nulseccer's 90%+ success rate. Meanwhile, if you're solo in low, and doing better than 50% success rate, there's little chance that some nulsec fleet tramp is going to get the better of you. At least, not without a hundred of his buddies. Sometimes, the risk is its own reward, but there is a big difference between risk mitigation, and risk aversion. I suggest you actually spend some time solo in lowsec before you call it 'easy mode'. You're basing your statement that all null sec pvpers belong to sov holding alliances and are F1 monkeys. I think you need to experience this game more.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7496	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:43:34 - [63] - Quote Torothin wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Torothin wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Torothin wrote: If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer. In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything. Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine. So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer? Being in a big fleet, shooting lots of structures, all these things and more add up to the typical nulseccer's 90%+ success rate. Meanwhile, if you're solo in low, and doing better than 50% success rate, there's little chance that some nulsec fleet tramp is going to get the better of you. At least, not without a hundred of his buddies. Sometimes, the risk is its own reward, but there is a big difference between risk mitigation, and risk aversion. I suggest you actually spend some time solo in lowsec before you call it 'easy mode'. You're basing your statement that all null sec pvpers belong to sov holding alliances and are F1 monkeys. I think you need to experience this game more. And you're basing your assertions about lowsec PVP'ers on your false perceptions of low sec risk. So right back at ya there, buddy. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7496	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:45:03 - [64] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis. What, with smartbombs? Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers. its pretty much just the same as cloaky sabres in null It would be, if Sabres weren't substantially cheaper than what is required to smartbomb a pod and tank the gate guns. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4358	Posted - 2016.01.28 04:00:53 - [65] - Quote Just get in and try it, OP. It's a little different than 'leet null sec PVP. It's totally chaotic and unpredictable. Throw your DPS and EFT calculations out-- or apply them in fractions of seconds. Neil Young and Crazy Horse - Harsher and tougher than punk
Kuetlzelcoatl 26	Posted - 2016.01.28 17:50:18 - [66] - Quote So, should Eve only have one type of Pvp? Hi Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec, or WH only? Or should Eve have multiple types where the rules are different and players with different RL situations can find a place to play the way they want that doesn't interfere to much with their RL obligations? I say we have multiple ways, since there are many different RL situations you can find yourself in that are not conducive to some of the more demanding Pvp types. PS: Btw, we all know the only people that can truly support Null Sec game play are of the Neck-Beard variety of the parental Hobit-Hole basement dwellers with a dash of Vampirism.
May Arethusa The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 113	Posted - 2016.01.29 07:17:35 - [67] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis. What, with smartbombs? Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers. Remiel Pollard wrote: End of the day, though, there's no 'real' pvp, or pvp*, there is just pvp. By your own logic killing pods is killing pods, regardless of the method employed.
xpl0de Caldari Provisions Caldari State 34	Posted - 2016.01.30 09:52:25 - [68] - Quote lawl OP thinks pods are only killed by smart bombs in low. Trust me you get pods all the time down here people have always been ******** at bailing. -10 life is Eve on hard mode. Low > null by far.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7502	Posted - 2016.01.30 18:07:01 - [69] - Quote May Arethusa wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Arla Sarain wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec. Except people do it on a daily basis. What, with smartbombs? Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers. Remiel Pollard wrote: End of the day, though, there's no 'real' pvp, or pvp, there is just pvp. By your own logic killing pods is killing pods, regardless of the method employed. I didn't say it wasn't. I said, 'catching' and 'waiting along their route' are not the same thing. A 'catch' implies a chase, and a chance at evasion. I never said anything about the legitimacy of the kill. You really should try to read things accurately before you comment on them, lest you accidentally (intentionally?) misrepresent someone's position. It's quite intellectually dishonest. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104*
Tiberius Mathusia Gallente Rebels Inc. Villore Accords 15	Posted - 2016.02.01 13:57:53 - [70] - Quote Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Is putting a bubble on a gate and blapping whatever comes through considered hardmode? The mechanics are different but I wouldn't say one was any easier or harder than the other.
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 273	Posted - 2016.02.01 14:47:17 - [71] - Quote Tiberius Mathusia wrote: Torothin wrote: No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it? Is putting a bubble on a gate and blapping whatever comes through considered hardmode? The mechanics are different but I wouldn't say one was any easier or harder than the other. There are also these things called Dictors kind sir.
rsantos TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 48	Posted - 2016.02.02 15:18:32 - [72] - Quote What about those gate and station guns! oh no!
Dreaded Vengance CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop 82	Posted - 2016.02.02 16:08:08 - [73] - Quote On the pod question: one can just go to zKillboard - look up capsules, click losses. It's pretty simple really. Last 7 days; fair mix of high, low, null in the top 10 - you can lose a pod anywhere. Those of us that are -10 are catching pods daily, I think I only every bothered to smartbomb one, ever. I don't know if he operates in null but we also have Santo, even the most hardened pirate has him on a watchlist. Also, nice bait OP. CTRL-Q are recruiting - Gallente Faction Warfare, Small Gang, Low Sec PvP, New Player friendly. Want to know the truth about low sec? Diary of a Low Sec Capsuleer
W33b3l The Scope Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2016.02.03 02:07:41 - [74] - Quote The thing about lowsec is the Sec Loss. The reason your pod is safer is because of the severe Security Status hit if you blow one up. Unless you are fine being permanently red in highsec you have to grind it back up and pick your targets. Gate and station guns are not much of a problem anymore since if you warp away and come back they stop shooting, but it means that you cant PVP anywhere near them in anything smaller then a cruiser. If in something that can laugh at there DPS, its really hard to engage in a "fair" or "good" fight because the person that shoots first is taking extra damage. Hence fighting on stations or gates mainly being piracy or tricking someone else to shoot first. Lowsec is good for casual pirating or practicing gate camps on noobs in haulers dumb enough to ignore the warning message, Ive done a lot of that. The problem is that if other people show up it turns into a numbers game, almost like a tiny version of a blob. You and your friends (if any) are only top dog until someone else shows up, but thats common anywhere. Sometimes people will show up in a frig or something and ask if you want to 1V1 at the sun but its rare. Its even more rare that the hold to it and there friend thats been cloaked or docked in a Force recon all day (looking AFK) doesnt show up and help. I wont claim to be an awesome PVP'er, I am good at flying my ships and understand things pretty damn well for someone with my experience (sparing with people from 2003), but the only reason my KDR is so stupid high is because I mainly hunt for sport and pirate things that I know I have a good chance of not dying against. Lowsec can be really fun because of the numbers game or just messing with people fir giggles that think they are "going to take over the system" (I love those people lol). You can do really well if you play smart, and lowsec is one of those places that favor the sly pilot that knows the area, but it is not easy mode. Its much harder in a lot of ways. I actually miss WH PVP, and want to try some NPC Null. Find a spot that not too deep and recon the locals and have some fun. Somewhere I dont have to worry about sec status or safeties. But if you want "real" PVP in lowsec.. its way to random to be "easy" and if you base out of highsec, it can have it consequences.
Lugh Crow-Slave 1500	Posted - 2016.02.03 13:57:07 - [75] - Quote No you'r thinking of hs Staton campers Citadel worm hole tax

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