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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:04:00 -
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So to weeks two and three, and a noticeable reduction in the tempo of the war following the previous weekend of POS destruction and harrying the CYI fleets back and forth over Place lowsec as excitement quickly turned to tedium and the necessary business of agent-location and loner targeting became a high priority. While for their part the Cyrene Initiative military have received orders from their command to ôavoid contact with SF vessels at all costsö we tried our best to force confrontation and interfere with the CYI strategy of falling back from Stacmon towards Aunia as their military attempted to engage smaller Intaki Union gangs as preference.
This was to set the stage for a couple of weeks warfare that can best be described as ôlacklustreö and presented little challenge to the newest pilots of the Fraction let alone our seasoned veterans but these things happen. We understand why CYI took this step and acknowledge the existence of the perspective that leads a man to believe that placing his head in the sand will cause the danger to go away.
Perhaps some organisations would consider the meagre pickings weÆve accomplished against these would-be nationalist militiamen in these weeks and grow disheartened. Maybe some alliances would even consider dropping the war-declaration altogether and just walk away with the task left undone. Some doubtless would grow bored and restless and others would take their attention from the task and hand; some perhaps - but not the Star Fraction.
This clearly was CYI Executor CrausaumÆs hope but we have to tell him here and now û itÆs not going to work. Star Fraction fights for a cause we believe in û we arenÆt swayed by money or threats and no mere cowardice will turn us from the object of this campaign. War continues and will remain until the CYI presence in Placid has been neutralised and the ineffective status of this nationalist militia is evident to all.
Capital Ship Capability Drive
The previous weekÆs sieges of the CYI POS network demonstrated a clear need within the Star Fraction for more Dreadnaught class hulls to speed the business of eliminating enemy control towers and associated infrastructure. Our fleet planners determined that an optimum number of capital ships for this task would be between eight and twelve of various class and steps were taken to begin the acquisition and preparation of this fleet. Quite a significant investment of time and effort and material but the task has now begun and we envisage a radical improvement in our siege capability in the short to medium term.
IÆm personally looking at the plans for a Moros class Dreadnaught with amazement at what would truly be the largest ship IÆve ever had the opportunity to pilot and command and I confess the prospect of directing operations aboard a vessel the size of a small city fills me with a certain trepidation, but this is a necessary evolution in Star Fraction fleet composition and will surely be tested before this war is done.
Of Mice and Men
Fresh from a serious of epic conflicts against the NBSI territorialists on the Syndicate/Placid border where the SF fleet had engaged a serious of huge armadas camping gates with overall decent results, the returning vessels were fortunate to happen on scattered CYI pilots attempting to clear out their holdings from the proximity of Stacmon and fall back on the orders of their executor:
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:05:00 -
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CYI pilot (Chinook) was caught by a joint SF/IU operation and executed in the wreckage of his industrial ship scrambling away from Aulbres system in a clean takedown. A lone CYI Thorax class cruiser (Acid Ice) was caught and obliterated by a SF attack wing featuring Absolution class Command Cruiser, a Curse class Recon cruiser and a pair of Deimos class heavy assault cruisers for a kill that made up for in style what it lacked in enemy substance. Clearly shocked by the quality of vessels brought against her Acid Ice could do nothing but sit dazed in the capsule while Tatsue NukoÆs Curse executed the CYI pilot with a wave of medium drones.
Continuing this patrol and deploying a trap around the system gates of Aunia, the Star Fraction patrol wing was joined by Jonny Damordred in a Lachesis class Recon cruiser who oversaw a masterful engagement that tempted and then eliminated the Megathron class Battleship of Mice007 who was then summarily executed into his capsule at the lasers of Tara ArmitageÆs Absolution.
A powerful lesson to the Cyrene Initiative loners who expected to move safely in the absence of their fleet, and a lesson that wasnÆt lost on pilot Mice007 for after being safely re-cloned a long way from Placid he chose to abandon his corporation and the nationalist cause with scarcely a backward glance.
Something of a Fiasco
The next day saw a reversal of fortunes in the war as SF pilot Zatouchi suffered the defeat of her Kestrel class frigate against the Sacrilege Class Heavy Assault Cruiser of CYI pilot (Nulukizzdan). A bad defeat indeed, but Zatouichi was philosophical on the subject and remarked that ôit seemed a good idea at the timeö.
More seriously however we ran into some entirely more significant problems in the realm of Dreadnaught capability when collecting a newly built Phoenix Class capital ship from Seyllin System. Concerns began with TRS CEO Tatsue Nuko was attacked by members of the ôSoldiers of the Forgotten Abyssö corporation on arrival and signalled the possible need for backup to Star Fraction fleet command. It seemed these pirates were clued-in precisely on what we hoped to achieve and were arriving in greater numbers as time passed and Tatsue made a decision to try and break their spirit by undocking the newly purchased Dreadnaught even though she hadnÆt yet mastered the intricacies of the siege module or many of its advanced systems.
The engagement didnÆt go well and Star Fraction forces were forced to retreat with losses as the Phoenix managed to redock under fire in the station where it had been purchased. The sensible play would doubtless have been to cut our losses and establish a cynosaural field on the route home and say goodbye to Seyllin with due despatch: but Star Fraction pilots are stubborn people at the best of times (and CEOs the more so) and ignoring her gang commanders orders to ôstay docked!!ö Tatsue left the station in the brand-spanking new Phoenix once again to try and score some payback for the Lachesis class recon cruiser weÆd lost in the first round of the engagement.
This was a mistake. Immediately bumped outside the re-docking range by the growing gang of pirates outside the station, the Phoenix was webbed, scrambled, energy drained and assaulted from all sides by hostile fire and incoming ordinance and the circumstances worsened from ôpretty grimö to ôunbelievably badö.
Jonny Damordred tried in vain to rescue the situation by charging his Deimos Class Heavy Assault Cruiser into the fray in an attempt to bump the Dreadnaught back into docking range but to no avail and his bravery was repaid by the immediate destruction of his ship as the pirates directed a portion of the ordinance to the task before returning to the job at hand and breaking through the shields of the stricken capital ship and its admittedly rather inexperienced captain.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:06:00 -
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Nothing for it but die or bargain the TRS CEO opened local communications and enquired as to the ransom price the ôSoldiers of the Forgotten Abyssö would accept to cease fire and let the Dreadnaught escape. ôOne billion isk!ö They replied, temporarily reducing their volume of fire while ms Nuko considered the deal. ôDone, funds transferredö she calmly replied, and to their credit the pirates were as good as their word and kept the deal.
Painful, very painful, but an object lesson both in the problems a captain unfamiliar with a ship class can get into, and of the value of pure pragmatism under fire. Tatsue Nuko could certainly have gone down with her ship and denied them any ransom but it would have cost the lives of thousands of Fraction crewmen and women and served precisely no purpose. Trusting in the honour of the pirates at that stage was a gamble but one that definitely paid off and though it was an expensive lesson it was one weÆve taken to heart and will inform our deployment of these ships in times to come.
(Fortunately the collection of other dreadnaught class vessels in this period proceeded entirely without incident in routine transit)
Ghost Dancing
The next few days saw very little of CYI organised resistance, they seemed largely to have blown away on the winds of the own cowardice and seemed reluctant to commit to any major counterattack or response to our fleet superiority. Sole exceptions to this preference occurred in the early hours of the morning when the hard-core elements of the CYI military would mount hesitant heavy fleet patrols when the majority of Star Fraction pilots were on their off-shift or planetside for rest and recuperation.
Impossible to overstate just how cautions and hesitant these fleets were in truth: often comprised of several Battleships with up to half a dozen cruiser support ships theyÆd creep to a systems away from Stacmon and sometimes ôknock on the doorö of our operations base by placing a single vessel in system and seeing what they could see.
Inevitably the undocking of a single Star Fraction warship (even of the tech1 frigate class) would usually trigger a mass withdrawal of the CYI forces (who obviously expecting a trap of sorts) would then make best speed in the other direction deeper into hisec and then split the fleet with each member heading to different stargates in an effort to throw off pursuit.
Strange, and almost casualty-free: certainly a surreal period in the war and one that would continue to be a habit of the CYI late night patrols for some time to come.
Interceptor Mayhem
A singled-handed exception to the lull was experienced by Star Fraction pilot Nekumi mid-week when spotting an actual undocked and combative CYI interceptor pilot engaged without question or hesitation. This courage cost the single seat Crusader Interceptor she was piloting and her current incarnation as the Team Javelin pilot (Rabisque) flying an Ares class vessel triumphed in the duel and destroyed the pod for good measure.
Undaunted NekumiÆs fresh clone decanted straight into combat fatigues and the helm of another Interceptor (Maladiction) which she took straight back into action against Rabisque and lost again û with this clone lasting barely 10 minutes from awakening to end.
Doubtless feeling a heady rush of immortality with the second re-cloning of the evening Nekumi decided third time lucky and picked a Crow class Interceptor this time and undocked in search of her nemesis. By now the CYI æceptor jockey had upgraded his ride to the more dangerous Taranis class and more the ships duelled and weaponry was exchanged and once again Rabisque was the victor and claimed the life of the indomitable Star Fraction pilot as his prize.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:08:00 -
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Tragic, and with Nekumi out of fitted interceptors the vendetta was over for a few hours. It did certainly demonstrate the spirit of perseverance though û immortality and cause, a powerful combination.
There is a happy end to this tale though: as learning of the presence of a CYI Interceptor veteran haunting Placid lowsec around Kenninck System, TRS ôaceö Atandros took his own Taranis out hunting and managed to destroy the CYI vessel without much trouble and executed its pilot in partial revenge for the fraction blood spilled before.
Fleet Casualties - an engagement lost
The late night CYI ôghost raidsö finally drew blood against a skeleton-crew of Fraction pilots holding the fort through the small hours as a nationalist war-patrol featuring: Megathron (Crausaum), Lachesis (Aequus Universi), Thorax (El Bato), Thorax (DarkNicodimus), Taranis (Dax Bandar) encountered a Star Fraction Dominix, Ferox and Thorax and were able to despatch all our vessels without loss on the nationalist side. Costly lesson learned about overconfidence and though the SF warriors were eager to fight at any time and any circumstance some care would have to be taken if losses like this were to be avoided.
Fraction reinforcements were swiftly mustered to chase the CYI fleet into dissolution but the damage had been done on this occasion and the nationalists retired to their docks with a victory warming their hearts. It would have to last them though û because shortly afterwards the war took a decided down-turn for the nationalists.
Happy Times in Agentville
The next few days saw complete asymmetry in the shape of the campaign. For 20 hours a day the Star Fraction fleets roamed at will hunting CYI and inflicting losses in equipment, ships and personal on the isolated and unsupported industrial pilots of the nationalist alliance. In return CYI would muster a fleet at their usual times and ghost down to Stacmon before retiring without any form of engagement û showing their faces in local communications the limit of their intervention. Perhaps this was for the benefit of their alliance-mates who were dying in droves during the rest of the day? Perhaps they were shooting propaganda films and playing ôknock-down-gingerö û we really donÆt know.
In any event the following losses were inflicted without return in this period:
Stroi Danal the Red Eclipse founder caught and podded in the wreckage of his IteronV industrial vessel. Rodwell of Obsidian industries lost his Thorax to a mixed SF and Intaki Union gang in Eglennaert. Durok Torn of Red Eclipse lost his Typhoon and class Battleship and capsule to another mixed gang. Midnightstalker of Ixion Defense Systems lost his Megathron to a SF fast attack battlecruiser patrol. Teslank of Red Eclipse lost his Deimos class Heavy Assault Cruiser and capsule to a roving SF gang. Leishan of Team Javelin lost an Exequror class Cargo Cruiser to a JF cruiser patrol that went onto to catch and destroy the cloaking Occator class Transport ship of G Katah of Red Eclipse. (G Katah had attempted to evade this fate by cutting all electronics and systems on his vessel when he jumped into our group, and it took some diligent probing to discover his eerily unresponsive pod at a virtual safe spot within the aggression timer. He was executed with ceremony as a coward and dog)
And still no substantive response from the CYI fleet beyond these ôghost raidsö in the early hours when our activity was lowest. These had absolutely no effect on our ability to keep harming the nationalist loners and so the slaughter continued:
Kor Ah of Team Javelin lost as Curse Class Recon Cruiser in Tourier and then thinking the danger passed tried to return to his agents in an Abaddon class Battleship û bad mistake as a pair of SF Hurricane class Battlecruisers backed by a Lachesis and Moa blew this expensive Amarri hull into a million pieces and an expensive looking wreck.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:09:00 -
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The one-time CYI assault frigate jockey Brazzle was caught moving between systems in an Atron class frigate and was executed in the wreckage for the fashion crime by the autocannons of SF debutant Elaron. Then we discovered a true horror:
Tohrm of Red Eclipse mining Veldspar with deep core mining lasers fitted to his Tempest Class Battlecruiser in Yoma system. Incredible! DidnÆt this man know there was a war on? Jonny Damordred delivered the destruction and subsequent execution singled-handed at the helm of his Deimos class Heavy Assault Cruiser.
Another agent runner paid the price of the CYI fleetÆs impotence in Uedama system as Veras MendacityÆs passive shield-tanked Ferox buckled under the gunfire of the patient SF gang that had watched every single gate around her mission-running system for 60mins prior to her final arrival to earn the kill. I delivered the deathblow to her capsule personally.
Later on that night El Bato finally lost his Thorax to DestaniaÆs Moa in a single combat in Alenia system and SF pilot Nemesor kept up the pressure on the CYI industrial backbone taking another industrial ship and executing the pilot (KOZAK).
The next day saw Team Javelin pilot Ranis Kirahn lose a Dominix class Battleship, Veras Mendacity lost another battlecruiser of the Drake class and Red Eclipse pilot Lagamus was shot out of his Catalyst class Destroyer and podded by a pair of SF interceptors in Dodixie system.
Mixed Messages on Surrender
While the CYI loners were dying in space and the nationalist military were performing fruitless early morning ôghost raidsö we became aware of some significantly mixed messages arriving on Galnet from the lips of CYI executor Crausaum. Condemning Star Fraction for earlier surrender terms delivered to the Initiative in the first week (at their bequest) û Crausaum went onto to declare that CYI would rather fight to the last than give up its identity and assured the capsule community that the fight was far from over.
All the while it was becoming apparent that CYI was losing numbers significantly by the day with the organisation shrinking all the while its military were proven incapable of protecting its industrial assets and lone-economic functions.
Frustration obviously overwhelmed the good sense of many CYI members and there was a brief bout of ideological teeth-gnashing on the Summit when ex Apex poster-child Aria Jenneth raised the standard of anti-fraction rhetoric in her new Omerta Syndicate colours and mustered a Gallente nationalist vanguard of spittle-flecked ranting ingrates to her cause û but it didnÆt take long for sensible people to see through the bias and bitterness of this defeated Mito campaign ôpersonalityö and conclude that her contradictory ramblings were nothing more than simple-minded impotent angst.
Finally another Fleet Engagement
Just when it seemed the ôghost raidö strategy was never going to draw blood again we finally got a battle. The modus operandi was completely expected, with CYI fleet leaders waiting until the Star Fraction alert level was at its absolute lowest and then brining what they believed to be decisive numbers to Stacmon to seek a moral strike and victory to demonstrate something other than impotent incapacity to their suffering industrial base. They seemed to hold all the cards but this time the game would play out quite differently:
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:10:00 -
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Led by their executor Crausaum in a Megathron Class Battleship, the CYI ôghost wingö comprised of an: EOS class Command Cruiser (Dax Bandar), Sacriledge class Heavy Assault Cruiser (Nulukizzdan), Lachesis Class Recon Cruiser (Aequus Universi), Hurricane Class Battlecruiser (JonasBlackhand), Prophesy Class Battlecruiser (Ronja), Thorax Class Cruiser (DarkNicodimus), Vexor Class Cruiser (El Bato), Blackbird Class Cruiser (Veras Mendacity), Taranis Class Interceptor (Rabisque), Incursus Class Frigate (Gwydion Telcontar) for a fleet of 11 combatants in a good mix of vessels against our initial force that was out-numbered approximately 2 to 1.
CYI drew first blood as expected by the initiative and numbers and eliminated a SF Thorax class cruiser (Lady Kushrenada) and Hurricane class Battlecruiser (Kovid) in a roving skirmish as our outnumbered forces attempted to stall for time as other pilots answered the scramble to action and undocked from the Stacmon base. And even as our response forces was inbound Svenjabi Xiang lost his Taranis class interceptor keeping tract of the CYI movement as their retrograded and attempted to retreat through Alentene system.
So to the clash of fleets themselves: reinforced by a trio of battleships the SF group attacked headlong into the retreating CYI formation and was able to eliminate the Megathron of the Initiative executor and trap and destroy the Lachesis of Aequus Universi at the cost of the Tempest class Battleship deployed by Selim. This turned retreat into a rout and without leadership the Cyrene ôghost raidö dissolved into chaos as individual pilots fled randomly into the void leaving pilots DarkNicodimus and JonasBlackhand to die to our scramblers at the cost of another Thorax and Hurricane. DarkNicodimus himself was executed in the wreckage of this vessel and fleet by KovidÆs claw interceptor in vengeance for the Hurricane heÆd lost some minutes before.
Quite an object lesson this: CYI with the numbers advantage and initiative at their strongest point in the day routed utterly by a smaller force that chased them to destruction, eliminated their combat leadership and held the field for salvage and module recovery. Certainly not the moral-boost theyÆd sought to win for their general member base and once again full plaudits for the Star Fraction pilots and crews holding the fort during the small hours of the CYI activity cycle.
Business as Usual
So that was the two weeks previous and the conclusions are easy to draw. The Cyrene Initiative have chosen a strategy in keeping the with Wassener Doctrine and sought to avoid formal contact with our forces in any time period save their ôghost shiftö raids and this has left their loners and individuals fully vulnerable to our patrols. In some ways it has become fully-evident that the CYI leadership just donÆt understand our motivation and capability in war-fighting û occasional comments to the effect that our pilots are being ôpreventedö from their own business by the Initiative members lurking in stations only underpin this misunderstanding.
Fraction pilots do this not for service or profit or pay but because they believe it needs to be done. ItÆs a political cause we believe in. We consider the ideology of nationalist entities like CYI to be corrosive and regressive to chain the potential of those in contact with these ideas. While our pilots continue to lay siege to the CYI industrial wings they take their ease on board their vessels, discuss matters far and wide with interested minds, take their pleasure in La Maison or conduct any number of activities empowered by our aspirant post-human status and capabilities.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:12:00 -
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By witnessing the abject failure of these nationalists to fight back and demonstrate their faith in words spoken we are proving our point. We are seeing the true face of nationalism here: lazy, incompetent, incapable and fully impotent in comparison with the individual courage and libertarian principles of the Star Fraction.
The planetside media are relaying the story of this conflict to billions of souls in the federation û pundits and commentators and analysts are watching the holovids and reaching judgements and conclusions of their own and we are seeing the edifice of Gallente capsule-nationalism being literally fed into its own media maw and stripped to the bones of its bland hypocrisy on live feeds.
If only one of those minds is influenced to question and reject the precepts of nationalist hierarchy and comes in time to seek the knowledge of the Fraction we succeed in our goals. This is conflict in the realm of ideas and in the clash of ideology and it is an engagement we are winning definitively at this point.
Statistically (the war so far):
SF has lost 3 Battleships, 5 Battlecruisers, 1 Heavy Assault Cruiser, 5 Cruisers, 6 Interceptors and 6 capsules to CYI action in the war so far.
CYI have lost 1 Large Control Tower, 1 Small Control Tower, 13 Battleships, 7 Battlecruisers, 9 Cruisers, 4 Recon Ships, 1 Assault Frigates, 2 Interceptors, 5 Frigates, 1 Transport ship, 3 Industrial ships and 23 capsules to action involving SF forces in the war so far.
CYI have suffered a defection rate of about 40% active pilots since the war began. And current activity levels have diminished to about 1/3rd of pre-war levels at peak time.
The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö are Selim of Jericho Fraction and Atandros of Tabula Rasa. Special recognition in this period to SF pilots Elaron and Kovid who have committed to a wide variety of combat operations and supported the revolution with distinction and valor and will each be receiving an Interceptor class vessel of their choice from the Jericho Fraction shipyards.
(The CYI face for the war diary banner this time is Red Eclipse pilot Tohrm who won pride of place for the obscenity of a deep-core mining Tempest with a hold full of veldspar in the combat zone û how we pitied the crew)
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Posted - 2007.01.27 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 27/01/2007 17:43:37
Of note CYIÆs new tactics have failed miserably and Intaki Union has not taken a single ship loss since the 19th of January while still gaining numerous kills. CYI's inability to commit risk will ultimately cost them the war as our coffers are barely impacted with almost no loss of ships. Their new tactics seems to be to run with a small rear guard of elite frigates as picket ships.
Intaki Union statistics so far
Losses: 6 Battleships, 9 Battle cruisers, 10 cruisers, 3 tech two frigates, 4 frigate/destroyer, 4 pods.
Kills: 12 Battleships 1 Command Cruisers, 12 Battle Cruisers, 8 Cruisers, 1 Elite Cruisers, 3 Frigate/destroyer, 7 elite frigate, 5 industrial ships, 4 mining barges, 27 pods
*bold means more losses in a category
CYI conduct has been appalling during much of the war. Special notice goes to Oica for being the loudest mouth, though still one of the most cowardly and he is known as the new DCN Blackdragon. Special notice goes out to Yarod Cool for having honor, a rose among weeds.
Intaki Union pilots as always have performed admirably and are equally respected for their addition to the war. There is no small part to play in the war and each is respected.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.27 21:26:00 -
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Yes its certainly very fair to note that the Intaki Union have been very active and highly motivated in the campaign so far. They have proved admirable allies in this endeavour and certainly played a very significant part in the ongoing deconstruction of the Cyrene Initiative war machine.
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Bruno Bonner
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.28 00:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
By witnessing the abject failure of these nationalists to fight back and demonstrate their faith in words spoken we are proving our point. We are seeing the true face of nationalism here: lazy, incompetent, incapable and fully impotent in comparison with the individual courage and libertarian principles of the Star Fraction.
The planetside media are relaying the story of this conflict to billions of souls in the federation û pundits and commentators and analysts are watching the holovids and reaching judgements and conclusions of their own and we are seeing the edifice of Gallente capsule-nationalism being literally fed into its own media maw and stripped to the bones of its bland hypocrisy on live feeds.
If only one of those minds is influenced to question and reject the precepts of nationalist hierarchy and comes in time to seek the knowledge of the Fraction we succeed in our goals. This is conflict in the realm of ideas and in the clash of ideology and it is an engagement we are winning definitively at this point.
Why are you using the news network of a political system you wish to destroy? a memetic model that needs to be burned down to its very foundation, and yet you exploit the comm networks that system built.
Have you though the news might being edited and fed to the population as victory to the Federation? as another failure for fractionist? a political play between senators and local district authorities to continue empowering space-based corporations lead by capsuleers that wish to follow the Federation Democracy?.
If you wish to really give the results you speak here of to planetside population, then i believe you need to do better.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bruno Bonner
Why are you using the news network of a political system you wish to destroy? a memetic model that needs to be burned down to its very foundation, and yet you exploit the comm networks that system built.
Capitalist enterprise and the profit motive built the Federation media scene. Its not state controlled and its its driven by ratings. Why wouldn't we exploit this network for our own ideological advantage?
And you should take a moment out to read the writing on the subject of our intentions really. We have stated our objectives - the truth is plain and simple. We are attacking a nationalist militia that wishes to transmit regressive memetic material to a new generation of capsule pilots. We believe there is a better way and we're living it.
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Have you thought the news might being edited and fed to the population as victory to the Federation? as another failure for fractionist?
Its a long time since you've been at home in the Federation Bruno if you've forgotten the way free market capitalism works - everyone wants the story, everyone wants the exclusive. If one network offers censored state-doctored propaganda you can be sure the rest will outdo those limitations in the interests of a better scoop.
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If you wish to really give the results you speak here of to planetside population, then i believe you need to do better.
Its great holovision. It sells subscriptions, thats all it needs to do Bruno. And like I said, if it makes some question the status quo then all well and good - we're fighting here to reveal the flaws and false assumptions in nationalist ideology.
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Bruno Bonner
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.28 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Capitalist enterprise and the profit motive built the Federation media scene. Its not state controlled and its its driven by ratings.
Sorry but this IS one of the main characteristics of the federation, it might not be controlled by the state, but it represents part of its memetics. Democracy is spread through the comm channels of the federation, it is challenged and strengthen by it.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Why wouldn't we exploit this network for our own ideological advantage?
You use it because those within the OLD memetics can be reached by it, and through it spread the message of the fractionists. But it is a joke, as you are embracing the freedom of speech Democracy and Federation allows, to spread your own message, a message that wants democracy to be abolished and replaced by another system. Ironic isn't it?
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
And you should take a moment out to read the writing on the subject of our intentions really. We have stated our objectives - the truth is plain and simple. We are attacking a nationalist militia that wishes to transmit regressive memetic material to a new generation of capsule pilots. We believe there is a better way and we're living it.
I know you stated the fact people who are uninformed about post-humanists cannot make a true decision, but could there be a chance someone as me, who understand what your good intentions and ideals are, the huge benefits post-humanism can bring to the table, and still NOT choose post-humanism but Federation Democracy? could you tolerate something like that or i need to be executed as an infidel?.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Its a long time since you've been at home in the Federation Bruno if you've forgotten the way free market capitalism works - everyone wants the story, everyone wants the exclusive. If one network offers censored state-doctored propaganda you can be sure the rest will outdo those limitations in the interests of a better scoop.
Hahahaha, i am completely and absolutely sure news networks are saying and showing what a bad campaign Cyrene has been waging agaisnt you. I was just implying some reporters could have been researching about your organization, reviewing your public announcements and either make you look good or bad depending on what THEY wanted to portray AS NEWS. You could be a toy to them, just as you think you can make use of the comm system, they are using you. And for the record i was doing business in Eglennaert just last week.
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Its great holovision. It sells subscriptions, thats all it needs to do Bruno. And like I said, if it makes some question the status quo then all well and good - we're fighting here to reveal the flaws and false assumptions in nationalist ideology.
The curious thing is, if you are truly succesful and destroy Cyrene, what you most probably will demonstrate is which were the weaknesses of Pro-Federation corporations in space, and would certainly spark an initiative within the senate and politics in order to make sure the "next generation" does succeed agaisnt threats like your organization, it falls into their best interests to make sure federation memetics survive. How will you fight that?
I personally cannot contain my amusement on your doings, as your efforts could trigger millions of citizens into "fixing" the federation and make it something new, approaching the concept that you preach on, but it will still call itself "the federation", and someone 2000 years down the line will still call it old memetics.
I guess for Star Fraction to achieve true success in contemporary times, would be to settle an uncharted region and close down any and all stargates, while creating your vision without "contaminated" individuals.
You evolved from being a Federation citizen into a post-humanist, no other "old memetic" could have achieved by but this one.
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Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.28 02:21:00 -
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Nothing for it but die or bargain the TRS CEO opened local communications and enquired as to the ransom price the ôSoldiers of the Forgotten Abyssö would accept to cease fire and let the Dreadnaught escape. ôOne billion isk!ö They replied, temporarily reducing their volume of fire while ms Nuko considered the deal. ôDone, funds transferredö she calmly replied, and to their credit the pirates were as good as their word and kept the deal.
I'm sure many pilots will be "freed" from the post-humanist level of their pods in space with ships bought from your donation to the pirates. Sponsoring piracy is something few reputable pilots would admit to yet here you seem to bask in the decision you made. A honorable decision would have been to allow the ship to be destroyed rather than knowingly fund that which he so adamantly opposes on its face.
Pirates oppress, murder, deny free space travel, and you've just helped them in their mission which is 100% opposite of what you seek to portray as your own.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2007.01.28 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
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Nothing for it but die or bargain the TRS CEO opened local communications and enquired as to the ransom price the ôSoldiers of the Forgotten Abyssö would accept to cease fire and let the Dreadnaught escape. ôOne billion isk!ö They replied, temporarily reducing their volume of fire while ms Nuko considered the deal. ôDone, funds transferredö she calmly replied, and to their credit the pirates were as good as their word and kept the deal.
I'm sure many pilots will be "freed" from the post-humanist level of their pods in space with ships bought from your donation to the pirates. Sponsoring piracy is something few reputable pilots would admit to yet here you seem to bask in the decision you made. A honorable decision would have been to allow the ship to be destroyed rather than knowingly fund that which he so adamantly opposes on its face.
Pirates oppress, murder, deny free space travel, and you've just helped them in their mission which is 100% opposite of what you seek to portray as your own.
Archbishop
20,000 Star Fraction crewmen and women are worth more than 1billion isk. Other people are responsible for their own safety and taking their own precautions. This is the Star Fraction way and it has never changed.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 03:52:00 -
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20,000 Star Fraction crewmen and women are worth more than 1billion isk. Other people are responsible for their own safety and taking their own precautions. This is the Star Fraction way and it has never changed.
I was under several assumptions though based on previous Star Fraction comments.
1. You are post-humanist and "immortal" thus there are no "lives" to save.
2. You say there are no "weak" people thus these 20,000 people should've been able to defend themselves.
This also raises an intersting point though. You claim the pod pilot "free captain" is the next step in evolution. You also claim the individual is the true source of power in the universe.
Yet you admit you have "crew" that are at the whims and command decisions of others.
Is this not a contradiction? After all you claim that even those who follow a specific Empire or Religious belief are not truly "free" even if they have made that decision themselves. Yet those crew that follow you and submit to your decisions are?
This is a contradiction (it would seem). How do you explain it?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/01/2007 04:09:12
Originally by: Archbishop
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20,000 Star Fraction crewmen and women are worth more than 1billion isk. Other people are responsible for their own safety and taking their own precautions. This is the Star Fraction way and it has never changed.
I was under several assumptions though based on previous Star Fraction comments.
1. You are post-humanist and "immortal" thus there are no "lives" to save.
2. You say there are no "weak" people thus these 20,000 people should've been able to defend themselves.
This also raises an intersting point though. You claim the pod pilot "free captain" is the next step in evolution. You also claim the individual is the true source of power in the universe.
Yet you admit you have "crew" that are at the whims and command decisions of others.
Is this not a contradiction? After all you claim that even those who follow a specific Empire or Religious belief are not truly "free" even if they have made that decision themselves. Yet those crew that follow you and submit to your decisions are?
This is a contradiction (it would seem). How do you explain it?
Archbishop
All these questions have already been answered. Do some research. I'm not interested in playing word games with Amarrian slavers we'll shortly be killing.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 04:17:00 -
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Our crews either share our ideals, willingly take our coin against the known risks or simply seek adventure in the inky deeps of space. In return for their service, we take steps to provide escape mechanisms for the crew and our freecaptains must make an individual choice as to the duty of care they owe their crews. The freecaptain in question weighed her own personal wealth, the situation in hand and the lives of the crew and chose the course of action that she took.
There is a fallacy that the inability to be absolutely and entirely reliant on one's own faculties and immediate physical capabilities due to limitations imposed by the laws of physics and the current state of technology invalidates the aspiration to self-reliance and all genuine efforts to be as self-reliant as it is possible to be given physical limitations and the goals toward which one works.
The fallacy is punctured in this instance by the simple fact that the freecaptains of the Star Fraction have no problem whatever in securing the services of crew on free terms and with our own resources.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 28/01/2007 14:03:08
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Our crews either share our ideals, willingly take our coin against the known risks or simply seek adventure in the inky deeps of space. In return for their service, we take steps to provide escape mechanisms for the crew and our freecaptains must make an individual choice as to the duty of care they owe their crews. The freecaptain in question weighed her own personal wealth, the situation in hand and the lives of the crew and chose the course of action that she took.
If they share your ideals they should've told the captain to let the ship be destroyed rather than fund those who would oppress and kill people. They would readily acknowledge they didnt need "saving" as immortal freecaptains.
If they "take your coin" then aren't they enslaved by the concept they must rely on others for support? You have claimed people who depend on others for defense (as in the KD and CYI wars) never learn to defend themselves. You have claimed there are no "weak" and those who are forced or choose to follow an ideology are repressed.
Yet you "pay" people, forcing their dependence on "coin", thus economics. By fostering this way of doing things and forcing them to be "dependent" on you you're doing what you say you oppose.
Are these people really "free" if they're dependent on others for defense OR finances?
Using your own logic you should've let them be killed to force them to realize they should defend themselves. You have gone against everything you claim to stand for. But the reality is its just another way of supporting pirates to add to the list of things you've done in the past. Im starting to see a real pattern here.
I'm sure I'll be called a "little mind", threatened with attack (as Jasmine did), told I am a slaver, called names and met with hurled insults. Thats fine. As a man of God I stand behind the truth and will not be silenced. You have failed to answer any questions merely typed long entries few can understand (look at all the people saying "what?"). Just admit who you are it makes it alot easier.
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Edited by: Archbishop on 28/01/2007 14:03:08
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Our crews either share our ideals, willingly take our coin against the known risks or simply seek adventure in the inky deeps of space. In return for their service, we take steps to provide escape mechanisms for the crew and our freecaptains must make an individual choice as to the duty of care they owe their crews. The freecaptain in question weighed her own personal wealth, the situation in hand and the lives of the crew and chose the course of action that she took.
If they share your ideals they should've told the captain to let the ship be destroyed rather than fund those who would oppress and kill people. They would readily acknowledge they didnt need "saving" as immortal freecaptains.
If they "take your coin" then aren't they enslaved by the concept they must rely on others for support? You have claimed people who depend on others for defense (as in the KD and CYI wars) never learn to defend themselves. You have claimed there are no "weak" and those who are forced or choose to follow an ideology are repressed.
Yet you "pay" people, forcing their dependence on "coin", thus economics. By fostering this way of doing things and forcing them to be "dependent" on you you're doing what you say you oppose.
Are these people really "free" if they're dependent on others for defense OR finances?
Using your own logic you should've let them be killed to force them to realize they should defend themselves. You have gone against everything you claim to stand for. But the reality is its just another way of supporting pirates to add to the list of things you've done in the past. Im starting to see a real pattern here.
I'm sure I'll be called a "little mind", threatened with attack (as Jasmine did), told I am a slaver, called names and met with hurled insults. Thats fine. As a man of God I stand behind the truth and will not be silenced. You have failed to answer any questions merely typed long entries few can understand (look at all the people saying "what?"). Just admit who you are it makes it alot easier.
Archbishop
I know this may be difficult for you to grasp Amarrian (I hope you don't consider that insulting) but for us human life is more important than isk and dealing with the immediate results of non-payment is more important than dealing what the future plans for what that isk might be used.
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/01/2007 14:33:42
Originally by: Archbishop
Using your own logic you should've let them be killed to force them to realize they should defend themselves. You have gone against everything you claim to stand for. But the reality is its just another way of supporting pirates to add to the list of things you've done in the past. Im starting to see a real pattern here.
You understand nothing of our logic and never will. That much is abundantly clear.
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I'm sure I'll be called a "little mind", threatened with attack (as Jasmine did), told I am a slaver, called names and met with hurled insults.
Its not a threat its an inevitability, and since you are small-minded, reactionary and vile its obvious we'll be coming for your organisation soon. I see no shame in calling a slaver a dog and calling for your brains to be splattered over the capsule walls as we fire hybrid rounds into the wreckage of your ship.
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(look at all the people saying "what?").
At the moment thats you bascially and some more Amarrian's terrified (rightfully) that they will be next.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:38:00 -
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I know this may be difficult for you to grasp Amarrian (I hope you don't consider that insulting) but for us human life is more important than isk and dealing with the immediate results of non-payment is more important than dealing what the future plans for what that isk might be used.
But isn't that forcing "dependence" of others on you? You've claimed to have no problem killing those who defend locals against pirates because they need to defend themselves.
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Sable said:
Vendrin û KD and the like were not shot at because they were forcing their beliefs on the pirates, but because they were propagating the ideal of dependency on the ôstateö and anti pirate organisations. As I have said, when you do this, you cause more harm than good. Defend a man and he is safe until you leave. Teach a man to defend himself and he is safe for his entire life.
Very confusing. So you free people from financial dependence, yet pay them so they're depenedent on you, then save them from pirates killing the ship they're in, yet prevent others from killing pirates because they're dependent on them.
Archbishop
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Nekumi
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
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I know this may be difficult for you to grasp Amarrian (I hope you don't consider that insulting) but for us human life is more important than isk and dealing with the immediate results of non-payment is more important than dealing what the future plans for what that isk might be used.
But isn't that forcing "dependence" of others on you? You've claimed to have no problem killing those who defend locals against pirates because they need to defend themselves.
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Sable said:
Vendrin û KD and the like were not shot at because they were forcing their beliefs on the pirates, but because they were propagating the ideal of dependency on the ôstateö and anti pirate organisations. As I have said, when you do this, you cause more harm than good. Defend a man and he is safe until you leave. Teach a man to defend himself and he is safe for his entire life.
Very confusing. So you free people from financial dependence, yet pay them so they're depenedent on you, then save them from pirates killing the ship they're in, yet prevent others from killing pirates because they're dependent on them.
Archbishop
Since when does receiving a wage make you dependent?
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:45:00 -
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At the moment thats you bascially and some more Amarrian's terrified (rightfully) that they will be next.
Well life is never easy. If I'm defeated in war I'm defeated in war. Still it will not silence the truth here will it? Your actions and your ideology are contradicting each other plain and simple. You have failed to explain it calling it "word games". You simply dismiss anything anyone asks as being "small minded". Then you threaten people with attack who disagree with you.
Sounds more a 0.0 attitude then a noble calling to "free" people doesn't it? Then again looking at your past I see that is where you came from. Its true that you've been a part of 0.0 alliances that have oppressed people, shot neutrals, held claimed space, engaged in large wars.
I suppose you just "evolved" from that right?
Then again I'm just a crazy old Amarrian so who cares what I think. I'd imagine you wont even respond to my posts anymore because I'm so simple minded? You don't care what my opinion is so I'm sure thats what you will do.
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Still it will not silence the truth here will it?
You have never spoken a word of truth in your life.
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Nekumi
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
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At the moment thats you bascially and some more Amarrian's terrified (rightfully) that they will be next.
Well life is never easy. If I'm defeated in war I'm defeated in war. Still it will not silence the truth here will it? Your actions and your ideology are contradicting each other plain and simple. You have failed to explain it calling it "word games". You simply dismiss anything anyone asks as being "small minded". Then you threaten people with attack who disagree with you.
Sounds more a 0.0 attitude then a noble calling to "free" people doesn't it? Then again looking at your past I see that is where you came from. Its true that you've been a part of 0.0 alliances that have oppressed people, shot neutrals, held claimed space, engaged in large wars.
I suppose you just "evolved" from that right?
Then again I'm just a crazy old Amarrian so who cares what I think. I'd imagine you wont even respond to my posts anymore because I'm so simple minded? You don't care what my opinion is so I'm sure thats what you will do.
Archbishop
What truth? You aren't even reading responses. You just keep repeating yourself over and over again like that's some how going to make what you say right. Show these contradictions, show the hypocrisy because so far you haven't done anything more than prattle on and on.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:55:00 -
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What truth? You aren't even reading responses. You just keep repeating yourself over and over again like that's some how going to make what you say right. Show these contradictions, show the hypocrisy because so far you haven't done anything more than prattle on and on.
Actually I did. Here in this thread.
APPARENT HYPOCRITICAL ACTIONS
I'm just saying they APPEAR to be at odds with each other. I'm not calling you a hypocrite. I'm hoping you can correct my misconceptions with a plain spoken common sense explanation someone like me with a "small mind" can understand.
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:56:00 -
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All that Star Fraction ever does is wageing wars.Your legacy and ideals are built on bloodshed and hypocrisy.You fight and enforce ideals and philozophies you do not truly understand only because you do not understand yourselves.Your true enemies dwell within you not around you.You are your own worst enemies.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 15:04:00 -
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Don't imply I called you anything that I haven't thanks, it's dishonest.
Actually that was Jasmine who said that my apologies. You're actually one of the more palatable Star Fraction posters.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 15:14:00 -
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Either way I must depart it has been a stimulating conversation as always and very enlightening I'm sure for those who will read it in the future.
Archbishop
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.28 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Either way I must depart it has been a stimulating conversation as always and very enlightening I'm sure for those who will read it in the future.
I'm sure the readers of this thread will see the colour of PIE's fear perfectly clearly yes.
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