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Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2016.01.28 05:30:33 - [1] - Quote This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler. Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.? Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null. Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 246	Posted - 2016.01.28 05:35:23 - [2] - Quote Couldn't care less and 100% you won't be able to identify them without an API anyway. Have fun being bitter. Daemun of Khanid
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:00:09 - [3] - Quote Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 231	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:13:48 - [4] - Quote Alea wrote: Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Well if the SP rfate works out at more than 2700, I guess that'd be an obvious sign, otherwise, what does it matter and who really cares. Especially after considering one can buy characters.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 605	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:29:29 - [5] - Quote Wow the butthurt and bitterness is great in this one..... I dont like it, but not for the reasons most will think it for, I dislike CCP either feeling they NEED to or the reality that CCP might HAVE to make more cash off players. And thats simply something that I dislike about life itself in general and not CCP personally anyway. "Nickel and diming others." Other than that this merely trades SPs amoung players much like plex trades isk. No more are created and in fact some will be lost in this process over time. Which ironically makes SP itself just as valuable if not more valuable over the long run. So in that regard CCP has created a fascinating tool to trade SP while maintaining their value and integrity on the market. So kudos to them for figuring that out. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 186	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:31:22 - [6] - Quote I'll be siphoning off my alt and injecting my main I live in black rise. Please come kill me
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:36:37 - [7] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple. Because that is being done as I type. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:38:31 - [8] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: I'll be siphoning off my alt and injecting my main I live in black rise. Please come kill me There is a good chance that we fly together from time to time so that would be detrimental. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2721	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:40:09 - [9] - Quote Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Bruce Kemp Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 137	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:55:50 - [10] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This -áIf people played EVE as much as they posted rubbish on these forums, they might enjoy the game.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:01:18 - [11] - Quote Bruce Kemp wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2722	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:15:22 - [12] - Quote I don't see anything stopping you from doing this. In high sec the mission hubs will likely have a fairly decent population of them, but it will require time and effort to identify them. In low sec I'm sure FW will see an influx of them as well. Same as above. The targets will be out there, you're just going to have to work for them like any other targets. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 385	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:16:17 - [13] - Quote And yet OP will **** and moan about how there's no new meat coming into the game leading to fewer cheap targets to kill, errr... I mean less chance for meaningful player vs. player interaction and reduced content.
Miles Winter Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 16	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:32:42 - [14] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple. Why stop there? Shoot the purple too.
Miles Winter Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 16	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:36:17 - [15] - Quote Alea wrote: Well if the SP rfate works out at more than 2700, I guess that'd be an obvious sign, otherwise, what does it matter and who really cares. Especially after considering one can buy characters. That's assuming the players in question have stayed subbed during their entire gametime. I've been on/off for ~5 years and I've only got about 18m skillpoints (perhaps 25m or so with my alt included)
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 606	Posted - 2016.01.28 07:59:44 - [16] - Quote The only way to calculate it will be a very convoluted and twisted way of doing so. Age of character multiplied by 2700 sp/hr to get relative max SPs for that age, and then given the ship type and weapons on said ship gives you relative SP needed to sit in ship youd need to see if they can actually use that ship. Only way I can see other than API info. Say 10 day toon is sitting in a t2 cruiser. Not enough time to train to said ship in that time frame. So you know its been bought. But have fun hunting for such toons. Miles Winter the SP case wouldnt apply to your situation as your character has been in game long enough to have MORE, atm we can judge approx how many SPs a toon CAN have through the 2700SP/hr formula just based on age. That will no longer be possible and therefore make engagements with "noob" toons much more dangerous as youll start running into vets with maxed skills in said ships from 1 day old thinking from the show info and age youve just found "easy meat" and then get wtf pwned. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2723	Posted - 2016.01.28 08:15:54 - [17] - Quote Betting on stupid is often pretty safe. There are always going to be people under the misconception that ISK + SP = WIN. It doesn't. Maxed skills in a ship doesn't mean the player actually has any real idea how to effectively apply those skills. That's one of those things I've always loved about EVE, what the player understands and is able to apply has a greater impact than the numbers on their character sheet. Even without SP injection there are plenty of delusional nooblets out there flying billion ISK battlecruisers, complete with spinning rims and party lighting, drunk on their own overconfidence. Adding the SP injectors wont magically turn them into vets, it's just going to fast track them to their first shiny battleship loss. It's up to us as responsible capsuleers to capitalize on their greed and overconfidence, and in the process help enlighten them in the error of their ways. Be an educator! Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7263	Posted - 2016.01.28 08:41:13 - [18] - Quote Alea wrote: This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler. Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.? Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null. Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. To be honest, the people who are most likely to purchase SP are going to be the alts of vets who will know exactly what SP they are wanting to purchase. A total noob is not even going to know where to start, unless he does the homework. So this is not going to be like taking out hapless "carebears". Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 08:46:08 - [19] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: And yet OP will **** and moan about how there's no new meat coming into the game leading to fewer cheap targets to kill, errr... I mean less chance for meaningful player vs. player interaction and reduced content. Where my mains are settled I have ample hard targets to chose from, I have never once cried about the lack of soft targets as I am not and will never be affiliated with CODE, to reiterate I want to pick on SP injectors as that rustles my jimmies. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3908	Posted - 2016.01.28 08:54:51 - [20] - Quote Maybe they shoul add a visual clue as to separate who do this injecting. https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/689402088711847937 It would be easier to hunt them. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 09:23:47 - [21] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Maybe they shoul add a visual clue as to separate who do this injecting. https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/689402088711847937 It would be easier to hunt them. Do you plan to make supporting ideology to oppose the unholy, destructible modifications to someones mind? To protect the souls of those sinners from inevitable destruction? They must learn what is right! Burn them, burn them with lazors! I seen that and I do like that idea, specially if CCP decides to keep injected SP hidden. If I do do this I would not go batshite crazy on the roll play side, I'm a mature older dude so would feel really stupid acting like CODE enforcers do. Win or lose an adult like GF in local then be on our way is how I prefer to roll. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 09:30:13 - [22] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So this is not going to be like taking out hapless "carebears". I hope it's not, I'm not really sure if I could pop a miner, hauler or any form of freighter to be honest, I have never engaged anything that can't shoot back, I don't see any fun in that. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Mithandra Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 450	Posted - 2016.01.28 09:43:58 - [23] - Quote Best put me on your target list. I fully intend to take advantage of the skill injectors when they come out. I live in Vale of the Silent. Come play; bring friends. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
tiberiusric Comply Or Die Viscera Cleanup Detail 212	Posted - 2016.01.28 10:00:13 - [24] - Quote and how are you going to know who they are?
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 10:06:05 - [25] - Quote Mithandra wrote: Best put me on your target list. I fully intend to take advantage of the skill injectors when they come out. I live in Vale of the Silent. Come play; bring friends. This is just a feeler dude, nothing is set in stone. Even my own alliance mates will be fare game if I decide to do this, I have several unsubbed accounts I can use for my shenanigans so can stay off the radar sort of speak, also space is space it don't matter where an injected pilot calls home I would want to go after them anyway, in a logical planed out manor of course. As far as I know this is a clean account (nobody in my circles knows of this one) so I sort of have freedom of speech without fear of losing my position in my alliance, but I feel some will want to participate for teh lulz cuz that's just how they are. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 10:07:41 - [26] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: and how are you going to know who they are? That is the trillion ISK question right there, hence, why this is just a feeler.. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13808	Posted - 2016.01.28 10:08:48 - [27] - Quote hi there, top station in romi , like two jumps out of amarr. see you soon Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2016.01.28 10:15:54 - [28] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: hi there, top station in romi , like two jumps out of amarr. see you soon As I stated numerous times already, this post is just a feeler. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Varro Octavius Octavian Basilicus 0	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:33:50 - [29] - Quote I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3921	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:38:32 - [30] - Quote Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15172	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:40:27 - [31] - Quote I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count) /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3921	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:43:51 - [32] - Quote Good example: Chribba will not be more "Chribby" than he is now by injecting a lot of SP. Trust you can build only with a lot of time and effort to uphold the reputation. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2348	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:48:53 - [33] - Quote I endorse this product, i bought a char and im based in thelan, look forward to violence being committed on myself thxbye "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 608	Posted - 2016.01.28 12:16:13 - [34] - Quote Chribba wrote: I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count) /c I just thought about this Chribba. Dr Caymus has what now? 260-280mil SPs? But 100mil SPs @150K SP per injector is 667 of them. Say theyre 400mil each thats 267bil isk. So technically you could, with enough injectors, buy your way to top of the SP pool in Eve just for the sake of it. Individuals with trillions of personal isk could make a new "monocle" type club. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
BeholdMyCreation Crouching Tiger Hidden Ibis 3	Posted - 2016.01.28 12:22:25 - [35] - Quote This character will be milked for all he is worth and stuffed into my main. Will also spend approx Gé¼100 buying isk and thus sp (if possible). Why? Why not you peasants.
Revenant Kane The Revenant Crew 27	Posted - 2016.01.28 12:26:38 - [36] - Quote Alea wrote: Bruce Kemp wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity. What Alea meant was... "Alone? noway that is to scary"
Varro Octavius Octavian Basilicus 0	Posted - 2016.01.28 12:30:07 - [37] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG. I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf?
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3935	Posted - 2016.01.28 12:51:18 - [38] - Quote Varro Octavius wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG. I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf? Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Thorian Baalnorn Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S 39	Posted - 2016.01.28 13:13:36 - [39] - Quote Alea wrote: This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler. Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.? Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null. Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Personally, i think you should stop being bitter and take advantage of new features such as injection in the game. Doomsayers and bitter vets did the same thing with plexes when they came out. And plexes were literally the best thing CCP put in Eve. Before Plexes every single mission hub had isk sellers spamming local. Jita ISK sellers spammed local so much that local scrolled so fast you couldnt even read it. After plexes were implemented isk sellers almost completely disappeared and now its extremely rare to see one. Then you run into your other problem. I could inject 200 million easily in this account alone and you wouldnt know any difference because all the alts on it are 5 plus years old and most of my training on them actually almost all of it was way back when the only way to train multiple alts was to have multiple accounts. I take advantage now of being able to train two alts at the same time And i will probably inject SP( feel free to come to null and attempt to kill me) to speed up my training. Im glad CCP is coming up with more ways to get players to spend money without it majorly affecting game balance. CCP has proven over the last decade that they put a lot of the money they get from players right back into the game. And they are on an extremely short list of game companies that do that. Most just rake in the profits until the game dies then make a new one. The more people spend on this game the more cool stuff we will get in game and i am all for that. As a "vet" you should know that SP is only a minor factor in your ability to kill someone. Ive been killed by players with 5-6 times less xp than me and ive killed players with 2-3 times more sp than me. Eve is unique in that "max level" doesnt give you a significant advantage where as in most games max level would make you extremely overpowered. I say you suck it up, stop being bitter, enjoy the game, and take advantage of the options presented to you. Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
Varro Octavius Octavian Basilicus 1	Posted - 2016.01.28 14:44:39 - [40] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Varro Octavius wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage. Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice. I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG. I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf? Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP. Think I can safely say I wouldn't be in EVE at all if I wanted sunshine and Daisy's! Hehe. I agree with what you are saying about the importance of skill points(or lack of). But when vets were subbing and gaining skill points back in the day they were all doing it together at the same time/rate, and with a game where the only way to access certain things is barred by a time wall that was only accomplishable by subbing from a certain point in time; that really secludes the amount of players involved when you consider how many people will have stopped playing and never returned, by the looks of things the amount of players skilling up their characters to those levels is dropping, creating a divide between new player and vet. In a game where the economy is player run that is a death sentence. At least with this system you chose your skills, just like vets did, it's up to you how much time you put in to make those skills worthwhile, just like any other player. It's a much fairer system for everyone vs character trading, excluding reputation.
Memphis Baas 999	Posted - 2016.01.28 14:51:22 - [41] - Quote Why just shoot them... ... when you can take a trip to Huttaken (it's right next to Halaima), and write a Book of Truth about the need to have a Permit to inject skills into your brain, and then hire a bunch of "Followers" to run a nice extortion racket and make some money for ~~yourself~~ your non-profit organization named EDOC.
Yonis Kador KADORCORP 584	Posted - 2016.01.28 15:04:43 - [42] - Quote I think SP-trading is the most offensive change made to EVE since I've been playing the game. It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future. When I read feedback on the topic too long, I have to log and walk away. And yet I'll be buying SP just like everyone else. Don't shoot me for it. When reality shifts, you can't pretend it hasn't. You either go with the flow or be left behind. : /
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 286	Posted - 2016.01.28 17:55:08 - [43] - Quote Alea wrote: Bruce Kemp wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity. Hmm... you make bitter vets seem sweet in comparison.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 388	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:05:01 - [44] - Quote Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre. Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:09:23 - [45] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre. Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is. I get a feeling the op is just trolling, especially as 'FEELER' was used at the end of the title. Probably trying to stir like minded people (if there are any) into some kind of action.
Elukka Manfios 0	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:11:46 - [46] - Quote It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2349	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:14:00 - [47] - Quote Elukka wrote: It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP. isnt character bazaar a catchup mechanic? "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:18:47 - [48] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Elukka wrote: It's actually surprising a game as old as EVE hasn't had any sort of catchup mechanic until this. I really don't mind that newer characters aren't forever restricted to lessr SP. isnt character bazaar a catchup mechanic? No and yes. You can catch up skill wise (with the bazaar) to some degree, but the character is never really yours in terms of its complete development. Sp trading allows catch up to some degree with you controlling its skill development. So there is a major difference (how major depends how you view your character/s).
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2349	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:22:24 - [49] - Quote i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2536	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:30:58 - [50] - Quote Alea wrote: myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection Alea wrote: I'm a mature older dude
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:42:34 - [51] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks I thought you might Lan. We have clones which we can download our consciousness into. Why are we taking weeks/months to learn stuff anyway. Ever see the film Outlander, where he crashes on Earth, set in our past. He uses a machine and downloads how to speak a language in a matter of a couple of minutes. Learning character skills in this game is all about your choice of skill and time. Time is the major factor but time has nothing to do with your skills. You still get to choose which skills to train with sp trading, without the waiting around with no further input from the player until it finishes. There's no skill in waiting for a skill to train. So does it matter if it's quicker?
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 232	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:18:47 - [52] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: i see it as the same sort of thing really, you are paying for skills, api will always show you have bought skills either bazaar or skillpacks Agreed, if one overlooks the RP aspect of character development, then both ways of attaining skills are the same. So having already opened the way with the bazaar, is the only reason for the resistance to SP trading due to players having accepted the bazaar as a permanent part of the game?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:46:10 - [53] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: So having already opened the way with the bazaar, is the only reason for the resistance to SP trading due to players having accepted the bazaar as a permanent part of the game? Some people see it as a form of P2W and some are set against all forms of P2W. The bazaar wasn't popular with everyone. Some people like to have a comfortable lead over others and would prefer to keep that lead. Some don't like change because they're concerned of what might come next. Some have played for years and feel that they've really developed the character themselves and feel that people that can short cut things are cheapening their achievement. So there are various reasons. However, the purity of the skill queue (community) was damaged with the introduction of the bazaar. Although individually you can maintain that purity if you so wish.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:50:54 - [54] - Quote Yonis Kador wrote: It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future. wat? Do you have your entire retirement fund in CCP stock? Because if the answer is no, then you need to unplug a bit, that level of obsession with a game is beyond unhealthy. We all like internet spaceships, but we don't worry ourselves sick and insomniatic over patches.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10467	Posted - 2016.01.28 19:53:19 - [55] - Quote Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Cara Forelli Meticulously Indifferent 1497	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:07:50 - [56] - Quote Add me to your list! I live in a wormhole. Catch me if you can. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
d0cTeR9 Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance 311	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:19:08 - [57] - Quote I'll inject myself some SP. Gotta round out that 200 mil SP i have. Been around since the beginning.
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative 93	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:31:47 - [58] - Quote Yonis Kador wrote: I think SP-trading is the most offensive change made to EVE since I've been playing the game. It physically pains me that it's happening and I've lost sleep worrying about what it means for EVE's future. When I read feedback on the topic too long, I have to log and walk away. lol
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3964	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:03:20 - [59] - Quote Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP! ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:09:56 - [60] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP! Dont be an SP junkie. Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3968	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:14:49 - [61] - Quote Avvy wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP! Dont be an SP junkie. Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured. But if they clone your mind and you have mental health problems? The future would not look so bright when You are Gallente and some Caldari nationalist will sell you some mental rootkit to brainwash you in the future and make you his spy. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:24:22 - [62] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Avvy wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Injecting someones SP into you is really unhealthy, you dont know to who it belonged to. Maybe it was even the 3rd or 4th user of that SP! Dont be an SP junkie. Unless it can effect your consciousness, I wouldn't worry too much, the next clone you would be cured. But if they clone your mind and you have mental health problems? The future would not look so bright when You are Gallente and some Caldari nationalist will sell you some mental rootkit to brainwash you in the future and make you his spy. I had already started thinking about my last post. Iirc the consciousness is transferred to the new clone at the moment of death. But what happens if the brain is damaged prior to the transfer. Lets hope they keep a backup.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2016.01.28 23:38:16 - [63] - Quote Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. I'm getting to be an old dude man, I'm in my early 50s so back in 2003 I was already set financially, Eve was the first MMO I tried and I have been hooked ever since, don't take what I'm looking into doing as a personal attack on newbs as it isnt. I have nothing against you or anybody else who has started Eve later than I, I applaud anybody who can stick with this game for more than a few months from the start, it is a great challenge and allot of real time work to get competent in Eve. What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2016.01.28 23:47:42 - [64] - Quote Chribba wrote: I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count) /c Chribba you been here for quite a long time and earned everything you have, including SP that's spread across your accounts, you are one of the very few players who gained my respect over the years so if you want to start trading SP to bolster one main more power too you, you have always received a free pass from me and always will, in my eyes you have done more good for Eve than most anybody else. o7 Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2016.01.28 23:51:24 - [65] - Quote Revenant Kane wrote: Alea wrote: Bruce Kemp wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. ^^ This Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity. What Alea meant was... "Alone? noway that is to scary" Like everybody who plays Eve fights fair, I'm not gonna lie if I'm "solo" roaming I always have a links and logi alt close by just like everybody else does.. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:04:00 - [66] - Quote Thorian Baalnorn wrote: Alea wrote: This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler. Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.? Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null. Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Personally, i think you should stop being bitter and take advantage of new features such as injection in the game. I say you suck it up, stop being bitter, enjoy the game, and take advantage of the options presented to you. There are quite a few days that I do indeed enjoy Eve, true I am bitter but I'm looking to rectify that. Even if I wanted to trade my own SP to other characters it would do me no good, all the characters I use or have used is already at the levels they need to be, I now train junk skills as that's all that's left for them to train, I don't want to fly all races of everything or be able to manufacture everything but I'm training into them anyway because there is nothing left for them to do. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:07:19 - [67] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Why just shoot them... ... when you can take a trip to Huttaken (it's right next to Halaima), and write a Book of Truth about the need to have a Permit to inject skills into your brain, and then hire a bunch of "Followers" to run a nice extortion racket and make some money for ~~yourself~~ your non-profit organization named EDOC. That sounds too much like CODE, I like to shoot stuff that can fight back which is strictly against CODE's code of conduct. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Paranoid Loyd 8289	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:09:36 - [68] - Quote Alea wrote: There are quite a few days that I do indeed enjoy Eve, true I am bitter but I'm looking to rectify that. Even if I wanted to trade my own SP to other characters it would do me no good, all the characters I use or have used is already at the levels they need to be, I now train junk skills as that's all that's left for them to train, I don't want to fly all races of everything or be able to manufacture everything but I'm training into them anyway because there is nothing left for them to do. I haven't really come to a conclusion as to good or bad for the game, I tend to keep to the mentality that no matter how many SPs a pleb has, he will still be bad at the game. That being said based on this post, you should welcome the change as in theory you can now pull all those "pointless filler" SPs you have been training to get paid, then do something creative with those funds. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3983	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:19:32 - [69] - Quote New player with a lot of bought SP and set in overconfidence mood, would be rather prone to making mistakes and choosing to fight the duel he should rather not choose. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:20:33 - [70] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre. Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is. I am not an elitist, well I don't feel that I am anyway, anybody who knows me in this game would say I'm more than fair, honest and very charitable.. What has brought me to this point is the idea of SP trading, I don't feel that is right for Eve, it's as simple as that. I can't (won't) post with (any of) my main(s) as I could/would risk most everything that I have worked for in the past lotsa years, I resurrected this account about five or so years ago to forum whore for friends just starting out, she has no other use for me as she only has 4 or so mill SP.. No I will not be injecting SP into Alea as I don't need another useless character. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:23:44 - [71] - Quote Avvy wrote: Nick Bete wrote: Please OP, enough of the elitist claptrap. Attitudes like yours are the very reason this game has such a bad reputation and why it will forever be a minor niche player in the space/sci-fi MMO genre. Also, post with your main since you apparently have such noble and high-minded ideals about how to play Eve the "right" and "honorable" way. Or are you just another blowhard hypocritical forum warrior vomiting your silly ideas all over the place? Put your isk where your mouth is. I get a feeling the op is just trolling, especially as 'FEELER' was used at the end of the title. Probably trying to stir like minded people (if there are any) into some kind of action. Trolling no, stirring yes, if there are a good number of like minded people I will make this a reality. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:26:37 - [72] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Alea wrote: myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection Alea wrote: I'm a mature older dude Why can't mature older dudes get rustled jimmies.? Did I miss out on a memo on that subject some years back.!? Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:29:24 - [73] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:34:19 - [74] - Quote Alea wrote: What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online. EVE has been selling PLEX for years as you must know. It isn't really any different, it's still a paid for advantage. In fact I believe it was CCPs PLEX that inspired GW2s gem system. I remember more people complaining about in-game shops items for sale and saying similar things to what you are if people buy them. The fact is those numbers of people complaining have been considerably reduced over the years. As more and more MMOs do variations of selling items and in-game currency. The companies have realised that players will spend money on in-game items and CCP know that sp trading will make them more. I've played about 11 MMOs, it sounds like you mainly played this one and if that is the case then I can understand where your reasoning is coming from. But the fact is you are a few years too late and the sort of tactics you are thinking about did not work. CCP was quick enough with PLEX, but they've been dragging their heels on other potential cash making in-game ventures.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2352	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:37:21 - [75] - Quote Alea wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. why would sell your stuff to your boy? id rather ccp try and make additional money than go bust and if they can make some money this way then i don see the issue, plex and bazaar has been around for a llong time, i just hope they introduce name changes next "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:50:16 - [76] - Quote Avvy wrote: Alea wrote: What I'm against is CCPs new cash grab attempt by tempting players with purchasable SP, I personally feel that it is a way for players to indeed gain an (arguably a very small) advantage over other players that do not have the resources to do the same, if my understanding of this new feature is sound it would take a crazy amount of RL money to catch up to my lowest SP character so that I do not fear, what I fear is that this is a baby step in the direction of a full blown pay to win Eve online. EVE has been selling PLEX for years as you must know. It isn't really any different, it's still a paid for advantage. In fact I believe it was CCPs PLEX that inspired GW2s gem system. I remember more people complaining about in-game shops items for sale and saying similar things to what you are if people buy them. The fact is those numbers of people complaining have been considerably reduced over the years. As more and more MMOs do variations of selling items and in-game currency. The companies have realised that players will spend money on in-game items and CCP know that sp trading will make them more. I've played about 11 MMOs, it sounds like you mainly played this one and if that is the case then I can understand where your reasoning is coming from. But the fact is you are a few years too late and the sort of tactics you are thinking about did not work. CCP was quick enough with PLEX, but they've been dragging their heels on other potential cash making in-game ventures. I have to admit I was completely against PLEX, but now I have a collection of it and have played for free almost form it's arrival, so it is true I could change my mind about SP trading but I doubt it. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Paranoid Loyd 8289	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:55:35 - [77] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Alea wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. why would sell your stuff to your boy? Because it's technically against the EULA to just give it to him as that would be account sharing. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5695	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:56:49 - [78] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Couldn't care less Thank you. So rare: actually used the phrase correctly. If you "can care less", then you must care some amount. /rant
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 01:08:09 - [79] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Alea wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Can I have your SP when you kindly disembark? Me..?? no.. It is no secret that once my boy is old enough to play Eve I will be selling off all my mains to him so he sort of inherits all my everything. why would sell your stuff to your boy? id rather ccp try and make additional money than go bust and if they can make some money this way then i don see the issue, plex and bazaar has been around for a llong time, i just hope they introduce name changes next CCP will make ISK from character transfer fees, it makes more sense to use what I already have instead of buying new.. Plus they hold sentimental value to me as I had most of them since 2003 to 2005, and he wants them as they are his daddies. I would welcome name changes, as long as the old name is reflected in some sort of history like employments are. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7265	Posted - 2016.01.29 01:12:16 - [80] - Quote I wonder if anybody will ever get ransomed for SP. Just thinking out loud, but have not yet reviewed the mechanics and procedures around it (stuck in RL boring grownup stuff) Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Yonis Kador KADORCORP 587	Posted - 2016.01.29 02:06:54 - [81] - Quote stg slate wrote: wat? Do you have your entire retirement fund in CCP stock? Because if the answer is no, then you need to unplug a bit, that level of obsession with a game is beyond unhealthy. We all like internet spaceships, but we don't worry ourselves sick and insomniatic over patches. haha It's not that serious. I was only pointing out that I'm opposed to selling progression - hardcore opposed - but if it happens, of course I'll be buying sp like everyone else. I was angry for a couple days though ... after the shock and incredulity wore off. All I know is that I hope players don't get buyer's remorse because there's no going back from this. Whatever game we have post-February-expansion will not be the same game we had pre-February expansion. This is not changing overview icons; this is changing one of the fundamental aspects of EVE Online... forever. I mean, if this doesn't get you riled up - it's difficult to imagine how there will ever be another monument shooting player revolt again. Ever. Our corporate overlords must view this complacency as free license to **** and pillage the countryside with reckless abandon. I know I would. Oh, we've managed to get forum warriors arguing semantics. "This is not PTW." Well, technically, no. But only because you can't win EVE. It's pay to progress though and that's about as much winning as you can do in a game of linear progression. We've found a LOT of forum warriors dropping the tired "think of the noobs" argument. Something that's been debunked so many times, it's practically clich+¬ at this point. As if noobs will be able to afford this without paying $$. And we've managed to get forum warriors arguing that it's just like the character bazaar. Oh yea. Just like it. The game-breaking character bazaar that sold, what, 10-15 characters per day will now be delivered to every player - everywhere - so they can game-break nonstop without those pesky consequences like contract & employment histories. 100% similar. Arguing to keep EVE progression linear was always going to be a near-impossibility. From the moment this idea was proposed, sp-trading was a done deal. Feedback, my **. It's the kind of thing you can't even suggest unless you plan to follow through. "Hey kids, would you like this delicious candy? It's so tasty and yummy and you know you want it. Give us your feedback and we'll decide if you can have it. But mmmmm it's soo good."* Of course people are going to want it. If you suggest that new toons come with all frig skills or gunnery skills to 5, they'll want that too. If you suggest that we remove all lvl 5 skills entirely, somebody's def gonna want that. The point is that you can't even offer these kinds of bonuses unless they're being delivered. I just don't want to see EVE become some PTW shell of the game we've all struggled to succeed in. That adversity is what endeared me to this game. I appreciate EVE because it's hard and because of my time invested and because of its complexity. And if any of that's going to be made meaningless soon... It's just sad. "But think of the nooooooooooooobs!!!" C'est la vie. Nothing lasts forever and all things progress toward their ends. Whether sp-trading is a positive change remains to be seen - but good or bad, the future will undoubtedly be different. YK
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 795	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:36:07 - [82] - Quote Miles Winter wrote: Eli Stan wrote: Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple. Why stop there? Shoot the purple too. I'd say, shoot them first. Then lock up the rest and grin creepily. Nothing better to scare the crap out of people than a way of saying, "You do know there are those who would eat their own children, right?" "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Ibutho Inkosi Irubo Kovu 55	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:44:06 - [83] - Quote hmmm...I liked that. Tell me. Do you do reach arounds? As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:48:06 - [84] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: Miles Winter wrote: Eli Stan wrote: Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple. Why stop there? Shoot the purple too. I'd say, shoot them first. Then lock up the rest and grin creepily. Nothing better to scare the crap out of people than a way of saying, "You do know there are those who would eat their own children, right?" For educational purposes I would suggest X'ing up for a Spectre Fleet op and see what would happen, hopefully I'm partaking to witness what pursues afterwards. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2728	Posted - 2016.01.29 04:53:37 - [85] - Quote Upon giving it some thought I may actually consider buying some of these extractor/injector thingies for use upon myself. Siphoning off SP's that were spent on skills that I either never really used or never will use and reinjecting them to serve a viable purpose sounds somewhat attractive. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Trevor Dalech We pooped on your lawn Resonance. 207	Posted - 2016.01.29 06:03:33 - [86] - Quote Alea wrote: Who would want to hunt and kill players... I stopped reading after this, the answer is "yes!"
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy ChaosTheory. 2407	Posted - 2016.01.29 06:27:22 - [87] - Quote I'll probably be taking SP from alts and putting them in mains. I am homeless =(
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 232	Posted - 2016.01.29 06:31:16 - [88] - Quote Judging from some of the replies, it appears a number of experienced players are looking at redistributing SP already acquired. Could make it interesting for the OP.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 613	Posted - 2016.01.29 07:51:07 - [89] - Quote Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP. In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 17	Posted - 2016.01.29 08:02:16 - [90] - Quote Yonis Kador wrote: All I know is that I hope players don't get buyer's remorse because there's no going back from this. Whatever game we have post-February-expansion will not be the same game we had pre-February expansion. This is not changing overview icons; this is changing one of the fundamental aspects of EVE Online... forever. I mean, if this doesn't get you riled up - it's difficult to imagine how there will ever be another monument shooting player revolt again. Ever. Our corporate overlords must view this complacency as free license to **** and pillage the countryside with reckless abandon. I know I would. I've traditionally made my money by brokering characters, so I see no difference to be honest, other than being out of work. You can generally find a never-been-out-of-station alt for sale that someone has been cooking for a few years with a week of looking around, so reputation doesn't mean squat. And when I started playing I spent 3 months grinding ISK in syndicate before buying my first toon, went from 3mil SP to 17mil SP; had I bought it using a GTC sale instead of grinding it would have been just as P2W. The reason that no one is shooting monuments over this is because the majority of the player base doesn't have the idealized, romantic view of EVE that you seem to. The objective view without some sort of 'EVE is real'-colored glasses on is that this just simplifies an existing process, and makes it much more accessible. Also, I wasn't kidding in my first post. Seriously if this sort of change has you physically ill and not sleeping you need to consider if your current level of involvement with the game is healthy.
Pryce Caesar Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 35	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:18:38 - [91] - Quote I wouldn't do that. Anyone who depends on the SP trading as a crutch wouldn't be worth the time, anyway. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a [b]time-saver
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:36:44 - [92] - Quote Pryce Caesar wrote: I wouldn't do that. Anyone who depends on the SP trading as a crutch wouldn't be worth the time, anyway. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a [b]time-saver lol I guess you think the same about those buying from the character bazaar then. Wonder how many of those you have in your corp/alliance.
Pryce Caesar Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 35	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:45:48 - [93] - Quote Avvy wrote: Pryce Caesar wrote: I wouldn't do that. Anyone who depends on the SP trading as a crutch wouldn't be worth the time, anyway. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a [b]time-saver lol I guess you think the same about those buying from the character bazaar then. Wonder how many of those you have in your corp/alliance. My post wasn't finished. I wouldn't know, since I don't ask. I also would not know, because I do not spend money to acquire items for in-game use, PLEX or otherwise. If there is anything I want to buy, I'll buy it with the in-game ISK.
Edward Deegan 36	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:49:24 - [94] - Quote The only answer to this problem: Shoot 'Em All And Let God Sort 'Em Out Liquidity Event. NEA is really good at these events. They are number one. Good to have them in your corner. Smart move.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 99	Posted - 2016.01.29 19:21:59 - [95] - Quote Alea wrote: This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler. Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.? Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null. Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Let's hunt down and kill people who hide behind NPC forum alts when posting. I might buy some SPs. Come find me. I hang out near dodixie ATM. Until then, I will season my lunch with the salt from your posts about this.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:44:18 - [96] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Let's hunt down and kill people who hide behind NPC forum alts when posting. I might buy some SPs. Come find me. I hang out near dodixie ATM. Until then, I will season my lunch with the salt from your posts about this. You don't have to hunt her I'll tell you where this char is at, she's setting in a Wolf (I think?) logged off is space, Sivala system I believe, use a locator agent if you want to wast the ISK. If you want to find my main characters you'll need to travel much further, head towards the North I live out that way somewhere, doubt you'll get very close though. I have stated numerous times over the years why I will not post with any of my mains, if you really need to know look for my response to another player who asked me the same question in this thread, getting tired of retyping it over and over. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 99	Posted - 2016.01.29 21:04:30 - [97] - Quote Alea wrote: You don't have to hunt her I'll tell you where this char is at, she's setting in a Wolf (I think?) logged off is space, Sivala system I believe, use a locator agent if you want to wast the ISK. If you want to find my main characters you'll need to travel much further, head towards the North I live out that way somewhere, doubt you'll get very close though. I have stated numerous times over the years why I will not post with any of my mains, if you really need to know look for my response to another player who asked me the same question in this thread, getting tired of retyping it over and over. You're upset about people taking advantage of a new SP system for personal gain, while at the same time you take an advantage of hiding behind NPC forum alts to avoid repercussion for stupid ideas? That's either hypocritical or a bit sad. Not sure which. Maybe both.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.29 21:45:07 - [98] - Quote I would probably just troll them in my free time. I wouldn't care enough to track them down and emo rage at them.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2016.01.29 21:57:20 - [99] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: You don't have to hunt her I'll tell you where this char is at, she's setting in a Wolf (I think?) logged off is space, Sivala system I believe, use a locator agent if you want to wast the ISK. If you want to find my main characters you'll need to travel much further, head towards the North I live out that way somewhere, doubt you'll get very close though. I have stated numerous times over the years why I will not post with any of my mains, if you really need to know look for my response to another player who asked me the same question in this thread, getting tired of retyping it over and over. You're upset about people taking advantage of a new SP system for personal gain, while at the same time you take an advantage of hiding behind NPC forum alts to avoid repercussion for stupid ideas? That's either hypocritical or a bit sad. Not sure which. Maybe both. This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes. The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans. I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 100	Posted - 2016.01.29 22:07:10 - [100] - Quote Alea wrote: This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes. The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans. I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass. So other players should HTFU and gains SPs the hard way, but you shouldn't harden up and post with your main(s)? Interesting. Back to the original topic, I do now want to help you hunt people who buy skillpoints with the new system. Convo me with your main in game and we can talk details on how to root them out.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:02:55 - [101] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes. The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans. I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass. So other players should HTFU and gains SPs the hard way, but you shouldn't harden up and post with your main(s)? Interesting. Back to the original topic, I do now want to help you hunt people who buy skillpoints with the new system. Convo me with your main in game and we can talk details on how to root them out. Obvious bait is obvious. I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively. If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 77	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:27:22 - [102] - Quote I was wondering this myself. Ithink gankers could absolutely have a field day with this one.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 100	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:50:36 - [103] - Quote Alea wrote: Obvious bait is obvious. I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively. If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle. Just pointing out your hypocrisy, no more, no less. When you feel like not taking the easy way out with your brave NPC alt-ing on forums, I can start to take this thread as anything but a joke.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:50:45 - [104] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: Obvious bait is obvious. I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively. If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle. Just pointing out your hypocrisy, no more, no less. When you feel like not taking the easy way out with your brave NPC alt-ing on forums, I can start to take this thread as anything but a joke. Then I must apologize for asking you to engage in this thread, if I had known me forum whoring on an alt would upset you this much I never would have asked for your input, so please accept my apology for the blatant disregard of your feelings, I promise to seek therapy. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 100	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:59:05 - [105] - Quote Alea wrote: Then I must apologize for asking you to engage in this thread, if I had known me forum whoring on an alt would upset you this much I never would have asked for your input, so please accept my apology for the blatant disregard of your feelings, I promise to seek therapy. Oh, not upset, just entertained. You're as salty as a rookie who got ganked in their first week. Keep it up please.
Kyra Lee Ixian Machines TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 47	Posted - 2016.01.30 05:01:34 - [106] - Quote So back to the topic of the OP. As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part. On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2016.01.30 06:10:13 - [107] - Quote Kyra Lee wrote: So back to the topic of the OP. As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part. On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API. CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information. To be honest what I want is easy mode SP injection identification, I want to be able to look at a characters information and see if it has been artificially enhanced, SP amount and times injected need not to be reflected but the action should be.. In reality the above will most likely never happen as that may bring undo attention to players who use that feature, which goes against CCPs cuddling of players who want to be safe everywhere. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Epic Name The Lost. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 147	Posted - 2016.01.31 06:47:50 - [108] - Quote You can find me out in Pure Blind.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 389	Posted - 2016.01.31 07:04:51 - [109] - Quote Alea wrote: I am not an elitist, well I don't feel that I am anyway, anybody who knows me in this game would say I'm more than fair, honest and very charitable.. What has brought me to this point is the idea of SP trading, I don't feel that is right for Eve, it's as simple as that. I can't (won't) post with (any of) my main(s) as I could/would risk most everything that I have worked for in the past lotsa years, I resurrected this account about five or so years ago to forum whore for friends just starting out, she has no other use for me as she only has 4 or so mill SP.. No I will not be injecting SP into Alea as I don't need another useless character. Gotcha. I called it in my previous post; you're just a forum trolling blowhard and hypocrite. You say you want the game to have consequences but when the rubber meets the road you're not ready to live by your high-minded words.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2016.01.31 11:51:12 - [110] - Quote Alea wrote: CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information. With a character from the bazaar it matters as the character originally belonged to someone else. But with sp packets it doesn't matter as the character remains yours. You will get some idea anyway from the date of birth of the character. People keep thinking about how their character compares to someone else's. Well it no longer matters and hasn't done since the character bazaar. A lot of people have used the bazaar, so the purity of the skill queue (community) has for all time been tainted. So instead of worrying about the purity in someone else's skill queue concentrate on the purity of your own skill queue if that's what you want to do.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:39:31 - [111] - Quote Avvy wrote: Edit: Removed a line as the D.O.B. won't help as lots of people have breaks from the game. D.O.B. will highlight some but it's not a reliable method of being able to tell. DOB can also be misleading another way, I created my first corp back in 2003 a few days after I created my third account, I shoved all my characters into that corp then my Eve adventure began. Seven years later I jump my CEO toon out to create an alliance for a friend, low and behold I lost my birthday the second I joined his holding corp, seven years gone, unbeknownst to me CCP didn't always track employment history's, it was later in 2003 that they started to track them from what I was told by CCP while trying to regain my birthday, so me joining my own corp back in 2003 was not recorded. I'm not alone as CCP told me there are others with borked B-days, now it's pretty much irrelevant but it would still be nice to have my actual B-day reflected. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:41:19 - [112] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes. The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans. I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass. So other players should HTFU and gains SPs the hard way, but you shouldn't harden up and post with your main(s)? Interesting. Back to the original topic, I do now want to help you hunt people who buy skillpoints with the new system. Convo me with your main in game and we can talk details on how to root them out. Read an earlier post on how I responded to the same question. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 189	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:46:07 - [113] - Quote Avvy wrote: Pryce Caesar wrote: I wouldn't do that. Anyone who depends on the SP trading as a crutch wouldn't be worth the time, anyway. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a [b]time-saver lol I guess you think the same about those buying from the character bazaar then. Wonder how many of those you have in your corp/alliance. Quite a few, character bazaar is not the same animal, I can control who enters my corp, not so much who enters the alliance. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
aldhura Bartledannians Nite Owls 33	Posted - 2016.01.31 18:57:18 - [114] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I was wondering this myself. Ithink gankers could absolutely have a field day with this one. What do you see them getting out of this?? nothing more than they currently get. Will you also target bought toons, as that is essentially the same thing. Can't say I am overly happy with this, but its the way the game is going, same as any other game mechanic, you just learn to live with it, or move on. Bartledannians Corporation is recruiting Nite Owls Alliance is recruiting
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 2366	Posted - 2016.01.31 23:10:14 - [115] - Quote Don't really care. Trading is a bad idea would have been better to let players sub ahead of time like sub for 12 months get 12 months of XP immediately at base rate for addition charge but whatever. Can't train for 12 months on that character. Have probably few hundred mill of sp to siphon off my chars so good for me. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenshae Chiroptera 2511	Posted - 2016.01.31 23:42:57 - [116] - Quote Alea wrote: Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them. Then target and hunt them down. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6937	Posted - 2016.02.01 05:10:56 - [117] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alea wrote: Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them. Then target and hunt them down. Damn, my poor market alts will get owned. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2016.02.01 05:46:02 - [118] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alea wrote: Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them. Then target and hunt them down. Damn, my poor market alts will get owned. Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return. There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example. But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2544	Posted - 2016.02.01 05:49:36 - [119] - Quote Alea wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alea wrote: Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them. Then target and hunt them down. Damn, my poor market alts will get owned. Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return. There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example. But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die. We don't even know if it will be at all possible to know if someone used some beside obvious character way too young to pilot a ship. For all we know, it might be completely invisible to other player and you are just looking for interest in hunting ghosts. Wait to see how it really pans out THEN you might get people interested into it.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 232	Posted - 2016.02.01 07:13:57 - [120] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Alea wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alea wrote: Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them.. Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them. Then target and hunt them down. Damn, my poor market alts will get owned. Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return. There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example. But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die. We don't even know if it will be at all possible to know if someone used some beside obvious character way too young to pilot a ship. For all we know, it might be completely invisible to other player and you are just looking for interest in hunting ghosts. Wait to see how it really pans out THEN you might get people interested into it. There will be a way if the character has subscribed to certain services and submitted an appropriate API. Without co-operation from the 3rd party app/site though, one would have to use a more laborious method of tracking.
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 508	Posted - 2016.02.01 10:39:29 - [121] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple. Why stop there?
Cometopappa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 9	Posted - 2016.02.01 11:07:42 - [122] - Quote One of dumbest threads ever.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 195	Posted - 2016.02.02 00:50:17 - [123] - Quote Cometopappa wrote: One of dumbest threads ever. Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game. Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Isaac Armer Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic 101	Posted - 2016.02.02 04:59:52 - [124] - Quote Alea wrote: Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game. Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself. About as well thought out as this thread is in the first place, since it's nothing but a giant hissy fit. Have you stopped being a hypocrite and posted with a non-forum alt yet?
Erotisk Folkdans Club Autism 4	Posted - 2016.02.02 14:07:55 - [125] - Quote Alea wrote: Not wanting to do a lame Too late, you already did it. Damn, this thread was embarrassing for you OP. sp trading is the best thing since sliced bittervet
Frank Pannon 183	Posted - 2016.02.02 14:25:00 - [126] - Quote This thread is ... stupid.
Altair Taurus 38	Posted - 2016.02.02 14:44:00 - [127] - Quote Mabe some ISD could close this idiotic thread?
Krevnos Back Door Burglars The Otherworld 55	Posted - 2016.02.02 15:47:01 - [128] - Quote I don't grief players in Eve simply for the sake of making their game time miserable.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10536	Posted - 2016.02.02 15:53:54 - [129] - Quote Cometopappa wrote: One of dumbest threads ever. It's right up there with your ****** Christmas present whine-fest. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Lathael Inner Ring Conglomerate 17	Posted - 2016.02.02 19:05:49 - [130] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Betting on stupid is often pretty safe. There are always going to be people under the misconception that ISK + SP = WIN. It doesn't. Maxed skills in a ship doesn't mean the player actually has any real idea how to effectively apply those skills. That's one of those things I've always loved about EVE, what the player understands and is able to apply has a greater impact than the numbers on their character sheet. Even without SP injection there are plenty of delusional nooblets out there flying billion ISK battlecruisers, complete with spinning rims and party lighting, drunk on their own overconfidence. Adding the SP injectors wont magically turn them into vets, it's just going to fast track them to their first shiny battleship loss. It's up to us as responsible capsuleers to capitalize on their greed and overconfidence, and in the process help enlighten them in the error of their ways. Be an educator! No! You are wrong! I am pretty sure I can fit that projected ECM into my frigate.... It has to fit....
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2016.02.03 03:42:01 - [131] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game. Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself. About as well thought out as this thread is in the first place, since it's nothing but a giant hissy fit. Have you stopped being a hypocrite and posted with a non-forum alt yet? If you would take the time to read any of my responses to the same question you would already have your answer. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2016.02.03 03:44:32 - [132] - Quote Krevnos wrote: I don't grief players in Eve simply for the sake of making their game time miserable. I live in null so that happens every day. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Dyllan Ma'tar Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 5	Posted - 2016.02.03 07:09:44 - [133] - Quote Alea wrote: Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will. The idea and suggestion forum is downstairs. > You can win with certainty with the spirit of "one cut". ~ Miyamoto Musashi
Warlord Balrog 303rd X-SOLDIER 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 11:55:32 - [134] - Quote Varro Octavius wrote: I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game. I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game. Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like. So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game. The vets are too old to use that husk that housed a brain once. They cannot realize things such as these. For those that have been around long enough, but don't have the SP to back it up, this brings us into the world of competition. But ya know, as I've always said, "A person is smart, PEOPLE ARE STUPID". Judging by the hundreds of posts since the topic of skill trading was first discussed in public it becomes more and more apparent! One thing you're all missing is the fact that once these babies are released, we can take toons from the bazaar and cycle them into meaningful purchases. No more dank histories, old feuds, or any other negativity to buying them. Just burn the mind and make em useful to YOU, the consumer. Another happy thing is, we can burn our old toons that wouldn't fetch it's worth on the bazaar and make a toon (or few toons) to sell on the bazaar with all those excess SP we don't need or use. So many possibilities my head is spinning :P No pun inteded. So in short, anyone complaining or trollling in here you are just showing YOUR OWN STUPIDITY! If you don't like it, don't use it. But don't take away something beneficial to someone else just because you lack the brain cells from living in your own little bubble. And as mentioned here before, teaching is one of the ways of making the game better for everyone, SO TEACH! That is, if you're feeble mind is capable. /E: Oh, and by the way, if you don't like this then you should NOT like respecs, but I don't hear any of you complaining about it!
Warlord Balrog 303rd X-SOLDIER 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 12:08:24 - [135] - Quote Alea wrote: Kyra Lee wrote: So back to the topic of the OP. As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part. On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API. CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information. To be honest what I want is easy mode SP injection identification, I want to be able to look at a characters information and see if it has been artificially enhanced, SP amount and times injected need not to be reflected but the action should be.. In reality the above will most likely never happen as that may bring undo attention to players who use that feature, which goes against CCPs cuddling of players who want to be safe everywhere. In the meantime, let's add YOUR real name and location geotag into your characters PUBLIC info ...how's that sound? You're asking for all of the information without any work done on your part. So in return this shall be done for us. Sounds fair, right?
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 4424	Posted - 2016.02.03 12:33:26 - [136] - Quote Warlord Balrog wrote: anyone complaining or trollling in here you are just showing YOUR OWN STUPIDITY! Oh really? Warlord Balrog wrote: The vets are too old to use that husk that housed a brain once. Warlord Balrog wrote: A person is smart, PEOPLE ARE STUPID Warlord Balrog wrote: because you lack the brain cells from living in your own little bubble Warlord Balrog wrote: if you're feeble mind is capable Look out people! ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò The founder of the M.O.I.S.T. Award (Most Overpriced, Ingenious Shit-Fit).
MidnightWyvern Night Theifs 170	Posted - 2016.02.03 14:21:17 - [137] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Silver linings and whatnot. Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions. Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps. Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears. This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid. I for one look forward to dining on space veal. THAT is what I can't wait for. Gonna be so much juicy cannon fodder, and the best part is they'll think they're hot **** so they won't try to run away. _#portDust514 Don't let interactions like this become only a memory. (EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1449	Posted - 2016.02.03 14:56:08 - [138] - Quote Are you coming to the creek? https://youtu.be/RNYqpjeJaT4 http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
W33b3l The Scope Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2016.02.03 16:15:53 - [139] - Quote Since when do you need a GOOD reason to shoot at people in this game lol. Hell half the time people get shot at its just because they happen to be there and are in range. Doing something like going after a specific set people that requires you to do research to find targets then find them and catch them just makes things more interesting. Or more boring if you dont care for that type of thing. I dont see anything wrong with this since it just limits targets from the usual shoot anything that moves. I agree with the greifing part though. I wouldn't gank people in highsec for it or anything. Wardec sure because that gives them warning but legitimate greifing no. I dont believe the OP was planning on actually griefing anyway. It sounds like it could be fun and I might even be willing to tag along assuming I knew and trusted the people I was with at all. Although it could be really boring trying to find people as well. It sounds like skill trading might be programmed to where it wont be as abused as I think it might be, and I have no issues doing this to trade SP between your own accounts, but I am on the list of people that dont like the idea of skill injectors being on the market "because reasons", so I have no issue with this. If its something you dont want to do, or if it sounds stupid to you compared to other ways or reasons to PVP fine. I dont see how anyone could have any issues with it however since its just shooting people and we already do that all day. Said people will get shot at randomly regardless if there in a situation to get shot by "injector user hunters" to begin with so nothing really changes. It would just give some people something a little different to do.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 35	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:10:52 - [140] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP. In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation. It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. Most of the toons with less SP, on a relative scale, will be used to farm SP and it will be used for one's main or to sell for isk. Overall it devalues the worth of SP since you can buy it and use it to customize your toon as much as you'd like. Sure CCP will initially have a huge rush in sales but in the long run, I can see CCP losing customers due to instant gratification. Think about it this way, you have a dream car you want to buy, and you've spent years working towards it. You spend all your time and energy researching and learning about it and working that odd job to save a little extra. Finally the day comes and you buy your dream car. However you just happen to win the exact same car through a raffle. Both are new, and are exactly the same. But say you need some extra cash to pay for some expense. Which one do you think you're going to sell? Easy come, easy go. Eve Online will be losing a lot of value due to this choice.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2372	Posted - 2016.02.03 20:04:47 - [141] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP. In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation. It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. Most of the toons with less SP, on a relative scale, will be used to farm SP and it will be used for one's main or to sell for isk. Overall it devalues the worth of SP since you can buy it and use it to customize your toon as much as you'd like. Sure CCP will initially have a huge rush in sales but in the long run, I can see CCP losing customers due to instant gratification. Think about it this way, you have a dream car you want to buy, and you've spent years working towards it. You spend all your time and energy researching and learning about it and working that odd job to save a little extra. Finally the day comes and you buy your dream car. However you just happen to win the exact same car through a raffle. Both are new, and are exactly the same. But say you need some extra cash to pay for some expense. Which one do you think you're going to sell? Easy come, easy go. Eve Online will be losing a lot of value due to this choice. raffle? you still have to buy the sp its more like building your dream car with little bits at a time, or having donor cars to strip parts from and fit to make an even better car, everything still has a value regardless because you still have to either pay or work for it "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
N00B-SAIB0T MK Financial 23	Posted - 2016.02.03 20:55:07 - [142] - Quote I only foresee this as a problem for new players that are tripping over themselves for the fanciest ships/modules. Personally I plan to extract approximately 28,000,000 Skill Points from one of my alts and inject it into a main and then biomass the source. I can't wait. I personally don't care if I'm a target of this effort. My philosophy has always been to forego flashy ships and expensive modules by compensating with pure skill. With the proper skills, I've always been able to run very effective T1 battleships with T2 modules for L4s or Incursions. This new skill extraction feature will allow me to strengthen this strategy with a few clicks. There are a handful of skills that I need to bring up to Level 5 but never really committed the time to. After the proper allocations, I'll have an even lesser need to go beyond T2. That's just my way of doing it though. The point is that if you know what you're doing and don't get ahead of yourself, you'll be fine. New players will struggle with this. Worse comes to worse for me, I'll lose a cheap T1 battleship which could be lost in a mission or incursion anyways.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4588	Posted - 2016.02.03 22:35:49 - [143] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. No, I doubt this will be the outcome. I for example will not use it on my main (injecting that is). I wonGÇÖt even use it on my oldest alt (who is about to break 100 million SP). Even my other alts are high enough SP and close enough to where I want them that the diminishing returns make the use of SP injectors the least preferred method of gaining SP. In fact, some SP might be coming from main characters depending on the cost of SP extractors. For example, I might be able to scrounge enough SP On my main to justify buying maybe 1 SP extractor. Depending on the prices I might farm SP on an alt. But overall the market could be surprisingly thin. Depends on the price of an extractor. For example, my guess is that the long run price of a SP injector will be bounded below by about 1/3 the price of PLEX. If I can sell my SP injectors from a farming alt to cover the cost of a PLEX and the extractors I'll probably farm SP. If not, harder to say. As for your car example, IGÇÖd go back to the dealership and invoke the clause where I essentially cancel the sale and get my money back less a restocking fee. Then off IGÇÖd go in my newly won car with all that money I earned to have a good time! Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1889	Posted - 2016.02.03 23:06:04 - [144] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: Think about it this way, you have a dream car you want to buy, and you've spent years working towards it. You spend all your time and energy researching and learning about it and working that odd job to save a little extra. Finally the day comes and you buy your dream car. However you just happen to win the exact same car through a raffle. Both are new, and are exactly the same. But say you need some extra cash to pay for some expense. Which one do you think you're going to sell? Easy come, easy go. Eve Online will be losing a lot of value due to this choice. I'm not sure how this analogy really works in parallel to the change. Mainly due to the fact that training is a different mechanic than saving money (the former is an inevitability while the latter involves either decreasing spending or increasing earning continuously till the goal is met) and the injector mechanic is even less relatable to a raffle. If anything it's actually the injector mechanic which most resembles saving/working for the car actively (the value of research is the same either way), but I doubt such a relation was your intention.
Takari Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 508	Posted - 2016.02.04 00:05:37 - [145] - Quote I'll be injecting.. Come get some.. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 666	Posted - 2016.02.04 01:03:09 - [146] - Quote Do I really need an excuse to hunt and kill players? My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4595	Posted - 2016.02.04 04:00:55 - [147] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Do I really need an excuse to hunt and kill players? Nope, have at it! And good luck. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 36	Posted - 2016.02.04 11:22:22 - [148] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: raffle? you still have to buy the sp its more like building your dream car with little bits at a time, or having donor cars to strip parts from and fit to make an even better car, everything still has a value regardless because you still have to either pay or work for it The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less. Teckos Pech wrote: Orion Pax wrote: It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. No, I doubt this will be the outcome. I for example will not use it on my main (injecting that is). I wonGÇÖt even use it on my oldest alt (who is about to break 100 million SP). Even my other alts are high enough SP and close enough to where I want them that the diminishing returns make the use of SP injectors the least preferred method of gaining SP. In fact, some SP might be coming from main characters depending on the cost of SP extractors. For example, I might be able to scrounge enough SP On my main to justify buying maybe 1 SP extractor. Depending on the prices I might farm SP on an alt. But overall the market could be surprisingly thin. Depends on the price of an extractor. For example, my guess is that the long run price of a SP injector will be bounded below by about 1/3 the price of PLEX. If I can sell my SP injectors from a farming alt to cover the cost of a PLEX and the extractors I'll probably farm SP. If not, harder to say. As for your car example, IGÇÖd go back to the dealership and invoke the clause where I essentially cancel the sale and get my money back less a restocking fee. Then off IGÇÖd go in my newly won car with all that money I earned to have a good time! There are always exceptions, however I'm talking about overall in general and long term effects on the game. Injectors will become common place given time. Back in the old days, Titans didn't even exist. Now, they're quite common. Tyberius Franklin wrote: I'm not sure how this analogy really works in parallel to the change. Mainly due to the fact that training is a different mechanic than saving money (the former is an inevitability while the latter involves either decreasing spending or increasing earning continuously till the goal is met) and the injector mechanic is even less relatable to a raffle. If anything it's actually the injector mechanic which most resembles saving/working for the car actively (the value of research is the same either way), but I doubt such a relation was your intention. The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 20	Posted - 2016.02.04 13:31:08 - [149] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less. Hard earned SP? What the hell are you talking about? Currently I can log in once every 180 days and earn SP. That isn't perseverance. Even when I take a break from EVE i set 6 months of skill in my queue so I come back to fresh progress. Its only about money, either way, which comes from patience to grind out ISK or patience to pick up a few hours overtime. There isn't some 'walk uphill both ways through the snow' for SP bullshit story, you currently get SP for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING aside from paying CCP.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 36	Posted - 2016.02.04 14:38:17 - [150] - Quote stg slate wrote: Hard earned SP? What the hell are you talking about? Currently I can log in once every 180 days and earn SP. That isn't perseverance. Even when I take a break from EVE i set 6 months of skill in my queue so I come back to fresh progress. Its only about money, either way, which comes from patience to grind out ISK or patience to pick up a few hours overtime. There isn't some 'walk uphill both ways through the snow' for SP bullshit story, you currently get SP for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING aside from paying CCP. Well, we're making it even easier to obtain SP now. Just take out your credit card, and buy 80 million SP.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 21	Posted - 2016.02.04 14:50:19 - [151] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: stg slate wrote: Hard earned SP? What the hell are you talking about? Currently I can log in once every 180 days and earn SP. That isn't perseverance. Even when I take a break from EVE i set 6 months of skill in my queue so I come back to fresh progress. Its only about money, either way, which comes from patience to grind out ISK or patience to pick up a few hours overtime. There isn't some 'walk uphill both ways through the snow' for SP bullshit story, you currently get SP for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING aside from paying CCP. Well, we're making it even easier to obtain SP now. Just take out your credit card, and buy 80 million SP. Not easier, just quicker. Same amount of effort spent.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 36	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:02:00 - [152] - Quote stg slate wrote: Well, we're making it even easier to obtain SP now. Just take out your credit card, and buy 80 million SP. Not easier, just quicker. Same amount of effort spent. Having patience and waiting is a lot of effort. Older players didn't even have a 24 hour skill queue let alone a pretty much unlimited one like the one we have now. You logged in on time or you lost training. Think about it, say you like a girl and she has a boyfriend but you wait for her because you know it's not going to work out. And say in this case the story has a happy ending and she ends up with you. Compare that to calling up an escort. Which endeavor is worth more?
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 274	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:05:19 - [153] - Quote There's a few dumb skills on my horizon that I don't look forward to but with this new feature I can make Advanced Weapon Upgrades V go away? Awesome imo @lunettelulu7
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 21	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:08:03 - [154] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: stg slate wrote: Well, we're making it even easier to obtain SP now. Just take out your credit card, and buy 80 million SP. Not easier, just quicker. Same amount of effort spent. Having patience and waiting is a lot of effort. Older players didn't even have a 24 hour skill queue let alone a pretty much unlimited one like the one we have now. You logged in on time or you lost training. Think about it, say you like a girl and she has a boyfriend but you wait for her because you know it's not going to work out. And say in this case the story has a happy ending and she ends up with you. Compare that to calling up an escort. Which endeavor is worth more? I'm not a loser who would hang around waiting on someones sloppy seconds or call a prostitute. Look, I understand you don't like the system, but it does come down to merely patience; I'm not sure that waiting around and trickling $15/month to CCP for 2 years is any better than paying $360 up front to them plus a premium to another player(who gets rewarded for his patience when he sells his SP).
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13530	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:15:44 - [155] - Quote stg slate wrote: Orion Pax wrote: stg slate wrote: Well, we're making it even easier to obtain SP now. Just take out your credit card, and buy 80 million SP. Not easier, just quicker. Same amount of effort spent. Having patience and waiting is a lot of effort. Older players didn't even have a 24 hour skill queue let alone a pretty much unlimited one like the one we have now. You logged in on time or you lost training. Think about it, say you like a girl and she has a boyfriend but you wait for her because you know it's not going to work out. And say in this case the story has a happy ending and she ends up with you. Compare that to calling up an escort. Which endeavor is worth more? I'm not a loser who would hang around waiting on someones sloppy seconds or call a prostitute. Look, I understand you don't like the system, but it does come down to merely patience; I'm not sure that waiting around and trickling $15/month to CCP for 2 years is any better than paying $360 up front to them plus a premium to another player(who gets rewarded for his patience when he sells his SP). It's not just about the money. The TIME is valuable. This new system streamlines a system that already existed with the Character bazaar, but the Character Bazaar was balanced by it's faults IMO. This new system is just more trying to cater to an instant gratificaiton crowd that is not and can never be compatible with EVE in the 1st place. I say intended because with the exception of a few "whale" type new players, the only one's who will really benefit from all this are established players. So rather than help new folks, it will just widen the wealth and material gaps between old an new (ie new players get SP they don't know what to do with, while older players get isk they DO know what to do with). CCP, I like to introduce you to my friend Malcanis. He has a law he like to talk to you about.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:18:55 - [156] - Quote stg slate wrote: I'm not a loser who would hang around waiting on someones sloppy seconds or call a prostitute. Look, I understand you don't like the system, but it does come down to merely patience; I'm not sure that waiting around and trickling $15/month to CCP for 2 years is any better than paying $360 up front to them plus a premium to another player(who gets rewarded for his patience when he sells his SP). I'm not saying you are. The analogy is to get my point across. I'm saying this change detracts from the Eve Online experience and CCP will most likely be losing subs due to this change. Sure, in the short term they'll have a quick boost in sales but it's going to hurt the game in the long term.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:22:37 - [157] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This new system is just more trying to cater to an instant gratificaiton crowd that is not and can never be compatible with EVE in the 1st place. Why not? All feelings of elitism cast aside you must realize that Eve with skill injectors will be very compatible with that sort of player. Skill training was the big barrier, and with this it will be swept away. People will play and be getting skills for it, basically leveling their Ravens in high sec. And those people will basically have 0 impact on most players's day to day. High-sec is already full of players murdering NPCs and not interacting with anyone.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:27:39 - [158] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: ...this change detracts from the Eve Online experience... What sort of 'Eve is Real', space bushido nonsense is this? The Eve Online Expereince-«? You shoot stuff in a spaceship and try to get better at shooting stuff. Or build stuff/mine stuff. And chat with friends. And try not to die. EVE isn't a lifestyle choice, its a hobby.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13530	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:39:15 - [159] - Quote stg slate wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: This new system is just more trying to cater to an instant gratificaiton crowd that is not and can never be compatible with EVE in the 1st place. Why not? All feelings of elitism cast aside you must realize that Eve with skill injectors will be very compatible with that sort of player. Skill training was the big barrier, and with this it will be swept away. People will play and be getting skills for it, basically leveling their Ravens in high sec. The new player that injects skills will think they can do things they can't. Not only will they suffer for this (when they lose that triple tanked laser raven in a lvl 4 mission they should have never been in in the first place), but they are going to be even easier prey for gankers. Quote: And those people will basically have 0 impact on most players's day to day. High-sec is already full of players murdering NPCs and not interacting with anyone. SP trading is easier than using the character bazaar. So more people will do it. That means more people shooting those NPCs (ie a new player going from scratch to lvl 4 raven goes from 1 or 2 months to 1 or 2 days), lowering the rewards for everyone else shooting those NPCs. That's what happens when more people shoot the same NPCs, that's why Guristas loot is so cheap now. You want to lose stawlart PVE players? Make their rewards go down while you pursue 'new players' lol. Now, this next thing I say is not directed at you only. I just don't get how people in general can be so naive. It's like back in 2009 when people said "Dominion Sov in null sec will be great because it will break up the big coalitions and let the little guy get a foot hold in null". Some of us said it wouldn't, it would just make the rich richer and the big bigger, and naive people looked at us like we were bonkers. The funny thing here is that the people who were celebrating that change ended up being the ones most hurt by it. Same thing here really. This great SP trading change people are celebrating about is going to screw people, but mainly the people who are celebrating it.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:43:59 - [160] - Quote stg slate wrote: What sort of 'Eve is Real', space bushido nonsense is this? The Eve Online Expereince-«? You shoot stuff in a spaceship and try to get better at shooting stuff. Or build stuff/mine stuff. And chat with friends. And try not to die. EVE isn't a lifestyle choice, its a hobby. I tend to have an appreciation for my hobbies and savor the moments with time spent. Like when you build a car in a garage, or do excellent wood work in the shop. It's very different from just going out and buying the car or buying a wooden chest. The moments and how they are spent matters.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:49:31 - [161] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: The moments and how they are spent matters [TO ME]. That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling. These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships. You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : / Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : /
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13531	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:56:53 - [162] - Quote stg slate wrote: [quote=Orion Pax] But you can't stop progress for a few : / Irony, it's not the few who will suffer in the long run, but the many.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:58:06 - [163] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The new player that injects skills will think they can do things they can't. Not only will they suffer for this (when they lose that triple tanked laser raven in a lvl 4 mission they should have never been in in the first place), but they are going to be even easier prey for gankers. Quote: And those people will basically have 0 impact on most players's day to day. High-sec is already full of players murdering NPCs and not interacting with anyone. SP trading is easier than using the character bazaar. So more people will do it. That means more people shooting those NPCs (ie a new player going from scratch to lvl 4 raven goes from 1 or 2 months to 1 or 2 days), lowering the rewards for everyone else shooting those NPCs. That's what happens when more people shoot the same NPCs, that's why Guristas loot is so cheap now. You want to lose stawlart PVE players? Make their rewards go down while you pursue 'new players' lol. So skill injection is bad because it may cause a death spiral of the population of PVE highsec mission runners? That is your argument against skill injection?
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:05:06 - [164] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Irony, it's not the few who will suffer in the long run, but the many. If many suffer but the game progresses and gets better than so be it. We need new blood in EVE. Not for money for subscriptions, but for culture. Right now the universe is split up between the russians, reddit, some old blood eve corps, and the ex-SA guys-turned-tryhard-"expert" EVE players. Hope these changes tempt a large CS:GO clan or something like that to come check out EVE, how great would that be? Good bye stagnation. Hope these changes appeal more people for the sake of EVE.
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:07:21 - [165] - Quote stg slate wrote: That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling. These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships. You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : / Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : / I'm saying it's a loss for most players and we're going to have a lot less subs over time. A game based on instant gratification doesn't survive for very long. I'm just impressed by CCP's greed and short-sightedness that they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot like this. You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:13:41 - [166] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction. Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2375	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:22:35 - [167] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: stg slate wrote: That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling. These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships. You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : / Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : / I'm saying it's a loss for most players and we're going to have a lot less subs over time. A game based on instant gratification doesn't survive for very long. I'm just impressed by CCP's greed and short-sightedness that they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot like this. You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction. some say greed of ccp but isnt it the greed of the players who kicked this all off? the constant complaining of the game being too slow to catch up, the constant complaining plex prices are too high for players to plex accounts, ccp trying to reduce inflation via this seems like its more for the players, maybe they are trying to claw some money out of the game, that doesnt make a company greedy, maybe the game is dying and they are trying to save it, who cares, enjoy the game how you play it and stop worrying about other people "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:30:54 - [168] - Quote stg slate wrote: Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress. Next Tuesday I can almost guarantee we'll have an all Level V character. It only takes the sacrifice of around 10 100m SP characters to do this for a character already at 200m SP.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2375	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:32:14 - [169] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: stg slate wrote: Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress. Next Tuesday I can almost guarantee we'll have an all Level V character. It only takes the sacrifice of around 10 100m SP characters to do this for a character already at 200m SP. does it make you jealous? "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:34:26 - [170] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: does it make you jealous? No, I'm thinking I don't need to sub anymore. Because I can always buy my way back.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2375	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:39:02 - [171] - Quote well you need to sub to play so that wont work, if you didnt sub then the sub money would be used for skills, either way you will spend more buying the skills than you will just paying a sub and not worrying about other peoples bought stuff "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Orion Pax Yoyodyne corporation 37	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:44:04 - [172] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: well you need to sub to play so that wont work, if you didnt sub then the sub money would be used for skills, either way you will spend more buying the skills than you will just paying a sub and not worrying about other peoples bought stuff I don't think it's a big deal because I barely play. The main reason I have subs is because I didn't want to fall behind in SP. But if you can buy SP it doesn't matter anymore.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2376	Posted - 2016.02.04 16:47:34 - [173] - Quote fall behind? i didnt realise there was a sort of scale to keep up with in eve, thought you just went at your own pace "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:08:19 - [174] - Quote I'm kind of confused as well. I set a skill goal and get to it (fly Caldari BS well, etc), I don't just want SP for the sake of having a large number, or keeping my number as large as everyone elses. That sounds like playing Everquest again.
Altair Taurus 40	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:09:46 - [175] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The new player that injects skills will think they can do things they can't. Not only will they suffer for this (when they lose that triple tanked laser raven in a lvl 4 mission they should have never been in in the first place), but they are going to be even easier prey for gankers. I am not sure. Newbies will fly 300k EHP Damnations so good luck to fellow gankers! Jenn aSide wrote: That means more people shooting those NPCs (ie a new player going from scratch to lvl 4 raven goes from 1 or 2 months to 1 or 2 days), lowering the rewards for everyone else shooting those NPCs. That's what happens when more people shoot the same NPCs, that's why Guristas loot is so cheap now. However this will be balanced because newbies are not going to fly silly primitive Ravens but in 1-2 days they will fly: - command ships in level 3 missions (Nighthawk and Damnation seems decent choices!) - Marauders in level 4 missions PS. I personally advice CCP to create some starter low-sec systems where newbies could train ratting and PvP in carries.
Divine Entervention Bridge Four 814	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:29:01 - [176] - Quote This will result in less people playing over all. Completionists, perfectionists who couldn't bring themselves to unsub over the fear of "falling behind" are going to feel safe in doing so now, because if they let their subscriptions lapse and go a few months without training, they'll tell themselves they can just buy skill point injectors to "catch up". They'll break the bond, the connection with the game, and experience another one which will sweep them off their feet and they'll only occasionally look back, remembering EvE as someone they use to know. I still want it though, because I'm selfish and care more about myself than everyone else. I can't be in a position to even begin caring for others unless I've made sure my needs are already filled. **** you.
Joel Vaille 14th Legion The Bloc 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:33:51 - [177] - Quote What are u gonna lock a new player up and ask if he injected skills? If ur a bitter vett this will add content to u as more new players will be taking more fights. If ur a new player this will add content for u as u will take more fights. So who loses here? Maybe the punks who wanna win off of being all lvl 5 in all the relevant skills instead of pilot skill. Here's an idea, learn to fly instead of complaining on the forums how your gonna get more even fights.
Pix Severus Empty You 2804	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:45:03 - [178] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: i really dont know anyone who would bother going to all the effort of stripping 10 x 100mil chars for 1 maxxed level, i mean 200mil his already pretty much godlike in the skill department, why would he bother? For the epeen alone. These forums, and Reddit, are going to be filled with smugposters showing off their maxed-out EVE chars, along with the obligatory race to be the first person in EVE history to do it. For the record, I'm not really bothered about skill injection, I might do it myself, might not, depends on the skills I need and whether it's worth the cost. I certainly don't care enough to kill players over it. My lord.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:56:11 - [179] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: This will result in less people playing over all. Completionists, perfectionists who couldn't bring themselves to unsub over the fear of "falling behind" are going to feel safe in doing so now, because if they let their subscriptions lapse and go a few months without training, they'll tell themselves they can just buy skill point injectors to "catch up". They'll break the bond, the connection with the game, and experience another one which will sweep them off their feet and they'll only occasionally look back, remembering EvE as someone they use to know. I still want it though, because I'm selfish and care more about myself than everyone else. I can't be in a position to even begin caring for others unless I've made sure my needs are already filled. **** you. So, you are saying this change will help people get out of an abusive relationship and instead fall in love again with a game that will treat them right? That sounds like a ringing endorsement for this! Who wants people who only play because they don't realize they could have a better life? I don't want Eve to be the "whiskey-drinking overweight nascar fan in a wife-beater" of the gaming world : /
Divine Entervention Bridge Four 814	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:26:12 - [180] - Quote While people claim to be individuals, they form their opinions out of what they think others think. At first, the huge explosion of interest, of novelty, will be a nice little boost. The sheep will notice more of their kind and will think life is great. But those people who pop into existence for the short time are going to realize that the game is still what it is, with or without access to the magical skills that were suppose to grass is greener improve their game lives, and will surely disappear just as fast as they came. Disappointingly, some of those people are going to be charismatic, interesting, and in the temporary amount of time they expose themselves to this void of personality, people will take notice and count on the interaction of them to help maintain their new level of enjoyment. So when this mini-explosion of interest fades and the embers cool, the sheep are going to look around and notice that all the people whom they've come to enjoy are no longer present. They'll have asked why the people were quitting or had quit, to get the answers of "bored" and "better games". Now this happens a lot. New patches, new expansions, people come to the game in droves, build relationships, then disappear leaving open sores that eventually heal over. Except this time, the draw of needing to "keep up with the joneses" by remaining subscribed is no longer as necessary. You can stop paying that subscription to follow the people who left to Xgame or Ygame, because if things don't pan out, well you can always just buy a bunch of skill injectors and eventually catch back up. People are repetitive, routine, and easily influenced. While it will definitely be novel and will interest a lot of people, the idea of "missing" anything is now gone, because you can now just spend a little bit of $$ and catch up. The hook has been removed.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:32:56 - [181] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: ...then disappear leaving open sores that eventually heal over. Except this time, the draw of needing to "keep up with the joneses" by remaining subscribed is no longer as necessary. You can stop paying that subscription to follow the people who left to Xgame or Ygame, because if things don't pan out, well you can always just buy a bunch of skill injectors and eventually catch back up. People are repetitive, routine, and easily influenced. While it will definitely be novel and will interest a lot of people, the idea of "missing" anything is now gone, because you can now just spend a little bit of $$ and catch up. If you are right, then this is a great change for these easily misguided, ignorant sheep. This will set them free. I would endorse the change 1000x if you think that it will make the lives of many people better IN REAL LIFE. In your picture you paint this change will free the helpless sheeps from the tyranny of CCP and EVE and now they are free to play with their friends, no longer held down to EVE by GUILT AND FEAR! Bravo, this change, bravo. If you are right now the world is a better place! EDIT: BTW you sound like some want-to-be armchair psychiatrist who read too much Ayn Rand
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 107	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:06:50 - [182] - Quote Alea wrote: If you would take the time to read any of my responses to the same question you would already have your answer. I did read those. Your answer was "I'm afraid to use a main character on the forums" My point still stands, tiger.
N00B-SAIB0T MK Financial 24	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:54:39 - [183] - Quote All of this back and forth is irrelevant at this point. CCP threw out the idea in October and got more positive feedback than negative, and now they're moving ahead with it with maybe a minor tweak or three. Nothing is changing that decision. Don't like the feature? Fine. Don't use it. You don't even have to keep playing. Someone that does find the feature useful will likely replace you anyways. The point is that there are more people that want this than don't and CCP needs to embrace progress. All I'm seeing though is bitterness in losing some prestige in having immensely older characters that have been around for many years that contain tens of millions of SPs. That's all. I have a 40,000,000 SP character myself created 6 years ago but I don't really care if some newbie buys himself 50,000,000 SPs tomorrow. I suppose I take this game less seriously and understand that some guy buying SPs has no bearing whatsoever on my gameplay. All these dumb fantasy predictions on how the game is now going to die are childish, at best.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4617	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:09:26 - [184] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: Lan Wang wrote: raffle? you still have to buy the sp its more like building your dream car with little bits at a time, or having donor cars to strip parts from and fit to make an even better car, everything still has a value regardless because you still have to either pay or work for it The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less. Teckos Pech wrote: Orion Pax wrote: It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. No, I doubt this will be the outcome. I for example will not use it on my main (injecting that is). I wonGÇÖt even use it on my oldest alt (who is about to break 100 million SP). Even my other alts are high enough SP and close enough to where I want them that the diminishing returns make the use of SP injectors the least preferred method of gaining SP. In fact, some SP might be coming from main characters depending on the cost of SP extractors. For example, I might be able to scrounge enough SP On my main to justify buying maybe 1 SP extractor. Depending on the prices I might farm SP on an alt. But overall the market could be surprisingly thin. Depends on the price of an extractor. For example, my guess is that the long run price of a SP injector will be bounded below by about 1/3 the price of PLEX. If I can sell my SP injectors from a farming alt to cover the cost of a PLEX and the extractors I'll probably farm SP. If not, harder to say. As for your car example, IGÇÖd go back to the dealership and invoke the clause where I essentially cancel the sale and get my money back less a restocking fee. Then off IGÇÖd go in my newly won car with all that money I earned to have a good time! There are always exceptions, however I'm talking about overall in general and long term effects on the game. Injectors will become common place given time. Back in the old days, Titans didn't even exist. Now, they're quite common. Tyberius Franklin wrote: I'm not sure how this analogy really works in parallel to the change. Mainly due to the fact that training is a different mechanic than saving money (the former is an inevitability while the latter involves either decreasing spending or increasing earning continuously till the goal is met) and the injector mechanic is even less relatable to a raffle. If anything it's actually the injector mechanic which most resembles saving/working for the car actively (the value of research is the same either way), but I doubt such a relation was your intention. The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less. Titans are not on sale for Aurum though it is an in game item and only an in-game item. Not quite the same thing. Depends on the Aurum price. Some people are saying the price will be equal to half a PLEX, problem there is that the long run price of an injector will likely tend towards 1/3 of a PLEX plus some mark up for time discounting....will that mark up be at least 1/6 of a PLEX? Maybe, but seems kind of high to me. So the market could be thin and remain thin if the Aurum price is "too high". Oh, and as SP leave the game due to people injecting past 5 million SP...the remaining SP will become more valuable, not less. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Altair Taurus 40	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:15:16 - [185] - Quote N00B-SAIB0T wrote: All these dumb fantasy predictions on how the game is now going to die are childish, at best. Good point! This historic change will open high-end content to new players
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1890	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:20:43 - [186] - Quote Orion Pax wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: I'm not sure how this analogy really works in parallel to the change. Mainly due to the fact that training is a different mechanic than saving money (the former is an inevitability while the latter involves either decreasing spending or increasing earning continuously till the goal is met) and the injector mechanic is even less relatable to a raffle. If anything it's actually the injector mechanic which most resembles saving/working for the car actively (the value of research is the same either way), but I doubt such a relation was your intention. The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", so it's worth less. That's exactly the issue, you're equating "waited for" to hard earned and "actually earned" to luck. It's incoherent when compared to what's actually happening. You don't earn SP through "perseverance" because there is very little activity involved in gaining SP, and certainly not enough to justify the claim of being a consistent or difficult endeavor. Waiting patiently for it to drop into your lap certainly isn't hard earned. Meanwhile you can bet SP injector purchasers can tie an actual act to their ability to obtain each of them.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2016.02.05 02:06:11 - [187] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Alea wrote: If you would take the time to read any of my responses to the same question you would already have your answer. I did read those. Your answer was "I'm afraid to use a main character on the forums" My point still stands, tiger. ItGÇÖs often said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, I answered this question for you multiple times and my answer remains the same. I can't make it any more simple than I already have but it's clear you are unable to process the most simple of explanations. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
BTS Engineer 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.02.05 02:25:06 - [188] - Quote Too lazy to read 10 pages of butt hurt. I've been playing less than a year and got about 18M SP. Can't freaking wait for the SP injections. I've just been playing my trading character for the past 2 weeks to make as much ISK as possible (at about 8 bil atm.) Anyways, I live in Black Rise - Ishomilken mainly. I'll be waiting for you inside a novice plex. See you soon! <3
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2016.02.05 02:51:29 - [189] - Quote BTS Engineer wrote: Too lazy to read 10 pages of butt hurt. I've been playing less than a year and got about 18M SP. Can't freaking wait for the SP injections. I've just been playing my trading character for the past 2 weeks to make as much ISK as possible (at about 8 bil atm.) Anyways, I live in Black Rise - Ishomilken mainly. I'll be waiting for you inside a novice plex. See you soon! <3 You're going to have one long ass wait, answer pertaining to why is cleverly hidden within this thread so you either have to read or continue to set there and wait, your choice Einstein.. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
BTS Engineer 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.02.05 03:35:51 - [190] - Quote Alea wrote: BTS Engineer wrote: Too lazy to read 10 pages of butt hurt. I've been playing less than a year and got about 18M SP. Can't freaking wait for the SP injections. I've just been playing my trading character for the past 2 weeks to make as much ISK as possible (at about 8 bil atm.) Anyways, I live in Black Rise - Ishomilken mainly. I'll be waiting for you inside a novice plex. See you soon! <3 You're going to have one long ass wait, answer pertaining to why is cleverly hidden within this thread so you either have to read or continue to set there and wait, your choice Einstein.. Take a look at my killboard and you'll see where I've gone inactive for months at a time because stuff was training. I'm only interested in solo pvp and it was better for me to simply wait for stuff to train aka not playing the game at all, or get farmed by players like you who have been playing since 2003 with links and implants and massive stacks of ISK. My only other option is to be someone's tackle pet (not interested.) So I paid for an entire year of game time so I can only play a few months on this character. Fantastic. I've been flying the same ship since I started the game and I'm STILL not fully maxed out in it SP wise. All SP injectors mean for me is I can fly a Tormentor 2-3 months earlier. MAYBE if SP isn't super expensive I can try an Atron also. This means I'll be playing more, an actual player, not some hypothetical pay2win character you cooked up in your head. I guess this makes me an instant-gratification kiddie as you put it. So be it. Tried to find you on zkill but realized you are posting on an alt. v0v Why do you want to keep me trapped in an Executioner for another 2-3 months Alea? :(
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2016.02.05 03:37:49 - [191] - Quote BTS Engineer wrote: Why do you want to keep me trapped in an Executioner for another 2-3 months Alea? :( The real question is... why hasn't CCP told us how much the damned extractors are going to be yet? Hello, Iceland, time for posty posty!
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2016.02.05 04:07:55 - [192] - Quote BTS Engineer wrote: Take a look at my killboard and you'll see where I've gone inactive for months at a time because stuff was training. I'm only interested in solo pvp and it was better for me to simply wait for stuff to train aka not playing the game at all, or get farmed by players like you who have been playing since 2003 with links and implants and massive stacks of ISK. My only other option is to be someone's tackle pet (not interested.) So I paid for an entire year of game time so I can only play a few months on this character. Fantastic. I've been flying the same ship since I started the game and I'm STILL not fully maxed out in it SP wise. All SP injectors mean for me is I can fly a Tormentor 2-3 months earlier. MAYBE if SP isn't super expensive I can try an Atron also. This means I'll be playing more, an actual player, not some hypothetical pay2win character you cooked up in your head. I guess this makes me an instant-gratification kiddie as you put it. So be it. Tried to find you on zkill but realized you are posting on an alt. v0v Why do you want to keep me trapped in an Executioner for another 2-3 months Alea? :( My solo kills are not that impressive, average at best, I do great in large groups but solo not so much. Yea this is an alt, Alea has the most SP on this account too, hovering around 4.5 mill SP or so, this is probably the only active 2003 account with next to no skill points. Everybody started off the same as you (both young and old), and honestly that was the most fun I have had was being a beginner, needed help with almost everything, dying allot, losing allot, cursing allot, all that trauma helped to build strong friendships over the years. Now I can do almost everything solo with the help of multiple accounts, pretty damn boring really. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2381	Posted - 2016.02.05 09:15:25 - [193] - Quote stg slate wrote: BTS Engineer wrote: Why do you want to keep me trapped in an Executioner for another 2-3 months Alea? :( The real question is... why hasn't CCP told us how much the damned extractors are going to be yet? Hello, Iceland, time for posty posty! Because that info is a nuke that they need to be careful with, they will probably be picking names out a hat to find the person that will drop that bomb, its going to be glorious "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2381	Posted - 2016.02.05 09:18:11 - [194] - Quote BTS Engineer wrote: Alea wrote: BTS Engineer wrote: Too lazy to read 10 pages of butt hurt. I've been playing less than a year and got about 18M SP. Can't freaking wait for the SP injections. I've just been playing my trading character for the past 2 weeks to make as much ISK as possible (at about 8 bil atm.) Anyways, I live in Black Rise - Ishomilken mainly. I'll be waiting for you inside a novice plex. See you soon! <3 You're going to have one long ass wait, answer pertaining to why is cleverly hidden within this thread so you either have to read or continue to set there and wait, your choice Einstein.. Take a look at my killboard and you'll see where I've gone inactive for months at a time because stuff was training. I'm only interested in solo pvp and it was better for me to simply wait for stuff to train aka not playing the game at all, or get farmed by players like you who have been playing since 2003 with links and implants and massive stacks of ISK. My only other option is to be someone's tackle pet (not interested.) So I paid for an entire year of game time so I can only play a few months on this character. Fantastic. I've been flying the same ship since I started the game and I'm STILL not fully maxed out in it SP wise. All SP injectors mean for me is I can fly a Tormentor 2-3 months earlier. MAYBE if SP isn't super expensive I can try an Atron also. This means I'll be playing more, an actual player, not some hypothetical pay2win character you cooked up in your head. I guess this makes me an instant-gratification kiddie as you put it. So be it. Tried to find you on zkill but realized you are posting on an alt. v0v Why do you want to keep me trapped in an Executioner for another 2-3 months Alea? :( This game really shines in small/medium gang, you will enjoy it so much more in a group "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 4610	Posted - 2016.02.05 12:24:02 - [195] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i really dont know anyone who would bother going to all the effort of stripping 10 x 100mil chars for 1 maxxed level, i mean 200mil his already pretty much godlike in the skill department, why would he bother? For the epeen alone. These forums, and Reddit, are going to be filled with smugposters showing off their maxed-out EVE chars, along with the obligatory race to be the first person in EVE history to do it. For the record, I'm not really bothered about skill injection, I might do it myself, might not, depends on the skills I need and whether it's worth the cost. I certainly don't care enough to kill players over it. We could make a thread, where they could post their SP injections count, this way they will be identified and easier to hunt. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor 183	Posted - 2016.02.05 23:15:03 - [196] - Quote Injecting skills for bitter vets who had temper tantrums and lost a couple of years could be a plus for those players as well. just saying. Empire, the next new world order.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2016.02.06 00:00:06 - [197] - Quote Merovee wrote: Injecting skills for bitter vets who had temper tantrums and lost a couple of years could be a plus for those players as well. just saying. I am going to assume the definition of "bitter Vet" is a person who has played Eve for many years, a player who has also accumulated talents, skill points and knowledge, so with that as a definition of "Bitter Vet" I'm going to inject myself into that category. So, with me being a bitter vet I have arguably amassed a great deal of Eve stuffs, be it ships, ISK, skill points or other related junk. At the moment my main accounts that are subscribed to Eve are training what I call junk skills, skills that I may never put to use but have nothing else to train for as I already have maxed out the skills for what I want to do or the ships I want to pilot, including all related support skills. I could realistically stop training my subbed accounts for over a year and lose nothing worth while as I can already utilize what I want to do or ships I want to pilot at the maximum level. So, with me being a bitter vet I have no use for SP trading. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Memphis Baas 1049	Posted - 2016.02.06 02:14:12 - [198] - Quote Alea wrote: I am going to assume the definition of "bitter Vet" is a person who has played Eve for many years, a player who has also accumulated talents, skill points and knowledge. No, that's just a vet. The "bitter" part involves a lot of complaining at CCP for never doing anything right, and the absolute conviction that they never will do anything right in the future, ever. Also, you have to have, say, at least a dozen complaining posts on the forums, to qualify for the title.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2016.02.06 04:54:32 - [199] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Alea wrote: I am going to assume the definition of "bitter Vet" is a person who has played Eve for many years, a player who has also accumulated talents, skill points and knowledge. No, that's just a vet. The "bitter" part involves a lot of complaining at CCP for never doing anything right, and the absolute conviction that they never will do anything right in the future, ever. Also, you have to have, say, at least a dozen complaining posts on the forums, to qualify for the title. CCP did nerf my play style, the CAP nerfs, killed skynet, jump fatigue, I complained about those changes, I stopped plexing my CAP accounts in protest. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Minkki University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.02.06 10:34:16 - [200] - Quote My goal is to have all skills at level 5 and I will spend my EVE career on grinding ISK and buying SP.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2016.02.06 21:37:41 - [201] - Quote Minkki wrote: My goal is to have all skills at level 5 and I will spend my EVE career on grinding ISK and buying SP. That sounds completely terrible, but to each his own so I wish you nothing but many a years of grinding boredom. Oh you'll also need some serious RL money invested as well, I'm not sad to say that artificially advancing a character is going to be moronically expensive, that's if the real cost of one extractor is 999 AUR, that's more expensive than what I expected CCP to gouge players with but I'm more than comfortable with that number, I'm hoping injectors will be even more ridiculously priced by my fellow Capsuleers. If any ISD wants to close this thread it has become useless now as CCP is pretty much killing buyers of SP for me. ** Seriously, any ISD please lock this thread for me.. Fellow Eve players please take note: In case you haven't yet noticed HTFU is going to be replaced with P(ay)TFU, that is all..
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26848	Posted - 2016.02.06 21:44:16 - [202] - Quote Minkki wrote: My goal is to have all skills at level 5 and I will spend my EVE career on grinding ISK and buying SP. That seems like a spectacularly pointless exercise, as well as a mindbogglingly silly waste of time and money. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Poddington Bare Angur Therapy 170	Posted - 2016.02.06 23:57:03 - [203] - Quote Tippia wrote: That seems like a spectacularly pointless exercise, as well as a mindbogglingly silly waste of time and money. Hey, it's his sandbox too.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26852	Posted - 2016.02.07 07:13:14 - [204] - Quote Poddington Bare wrote: Tippia wrote: That seems like a spectacularly pointless exercise, as well as a mindbogglingly silly waste of time and money. Hey, it's his sandbox too. True enough. I just can't get my head around the concept of spending 15 years of subscription time (and money) for the sole purpose of having spent 15 years of subscription time (and money). I suppose it could be interpreted as some kind of performance art: something that exists for no other purpose than itself. I would just have thought that getting 15 years of game out of the deal would make more sense. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Mithandra Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 469	Posted - 2016.02.07 07:24:29 - [205] - Quote Tippia wrote: Poddington Bare wrote: Tippia wrote: That seems like a spectacularly pointless exercise, as well as a mindbogglingly silly waste of time and money. Hey, it's his sandbox too. True enough. I just can't get my head around the concept of spending 15 years of subscription time (and money) for the sole purpose of having spent 15 years of subscription time (and money). I suppose it could be interpreted as some kind of performance art: something that exists for no other purpose than itself. I would just have thought that getting 15 years of game out of the deal would make more sense. For some people its not about the journey, its about how big thier epeen is. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

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