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GTN BALKAN EXPRESS Shadow Cartel 48	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:08:35 - [1] - Quote The problem: with the current ransom mechanic, the person being ransomed doesn't have any guarantee that the person ransoming them will honor the agreement, which often leads to a non-agreement and thus consequent pretty explosions and lost profits for the pirates. My solution: add a ransoming mechanic that will deactivate all offensive modules and render immobile the ransoming player for one minute after the ransom is paid.
Iain Cariaba 2447	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:52:44 - [2] - Quote No. If you don't think the player ransoming you will let you go, don't pay it. Worse case scenario is you lose your ship anyway. Or, you could, maybe, not put yourself in a position to have to pay ransoms. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 99	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:53:30 - [3] - Quote Why?
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 1741	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:00:44 - [4] - Quote Quote: The problem: with the current ransom mechanic, the person being ransomed doesn't have any guarantee that the person ransoming them will honor the agreement, which often leads to a non-agreement and thus consequent pretty explosions and lost profits for the pirates. My solution: add a ransoming mechanic that will deactivate all offensive modules and render immobile the ransoming player for one minute after the ransom is paid. So immediately after the ransom is paid, their alt/friend warps in/decloaks and finishes the job (or just keeps tackle). And ship-disabling space-magic is extremely gross, conceptually. If we were to assume that contractually enforced ransoming is desirable at all, some sort of escrow mechanic would make far more sense. I sort of doubt you could make it actually workable, though. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13829	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:14:09 - [5] - Quote no. fyi most mercenaries have hard won reputations, most will honor a random if they offer it. pirates are a different matter though. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Takari Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 507	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:39:23 - [6] - Quote GTN wrote: My solution: add a ransoming mechanic that will deactivate all offensive modules and render immobile the ransoming player for one minute after the ransom is paid. So I can go get ransomed and for a small amount of money, just kill the ransomer free and clear without them being able to shoot back? Sure they've got my money but just to imagine them cursing at their screen because all of their modules are offline. It's a beautiful thought, but no. Don't pay ransomers, go down fighting or via self-destruct. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 173	Posted - 2016.01.28 21:41:04 - [7] - Quote GTN wrote: The problem: with the current ransom mechanic, the person being ransomed doesn't have any guarantee that the person ransoming them will honor the agreement, which often leads to a non-agreement and thus consequent pretty explosions and lost profits for the pirates. My solution: add a ransoming mechanic that will deactivate all offensive modules and render immobile the ransoming player for one minute after the ransom is paid. there are no current ransom mechanics in EVE online that is implemented by CCP that is where you make mistake.
Raiz Nhell Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance 489	Posted - 2016.01.29 03:55:04 - [8] - Quote How would this mechanic deal with everyone's favourite ransom, A Song. Singing in TS is the best way to save your ship. And this idea would be horribly horrible abused... so it should be forgotten... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Lugh Crow-Slave 1485	Posted - 2016.01.29 05:01:07 - [9] - Quote GTN wrote: The problem: with the current ransom mechanic, the person being ransomed doesn't have any guarantee that the person ransoming them will honor the agreement this is the best part of the current mechanic what i love about eve is the game doesn't protect me i have to trust and be trusted to get anywhere in this game Citadel worm hole tax
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 544	Posted - 2016.01.29 05:38:26 - [10] - Quote You could always employ a credited 3rd party source for ransom demands.... Chribba might be looking to expand his services. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2353	Posted - 2016.01.29 10:35:30 - [11] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no. fyi most mercenaries have hard won reputations, most will honor a random if they offer it. pirates are a different matter though. sometimes i get so excited about managing to point something shiney that i forget to ransom then boom pinata is destroyed "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
GTN BALKAN EXPRESS Shadow Cartel 48	Posted - 2016.01.29 12:36:18 - [12] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no. fyi most mercenaries have hard won reputations, most will honor a random if they offer it. pirates are a different matter though. sometimes i get so excited about managing to point something shiney that i forget to ransom then boom pinata is destroyed will you let this thread die?
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2353	Posted - 2016.01.29 12:48:33 - [13] - Quote GTN wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no. fyi most mercenaries have hard won reputations, most will honor a random if they offer it. pirates are a different matter though. sometimes i get so excited about managing to point something shiney that i forget to ransom then boom pinata is destroyed will you let this thread die? did you get into trouble for writing silly things on the forum? "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1787	Posted - 2016.01.29 13:02:25 - [14] - Quote I think that if we added this new mechanic and made it infinitely complex, we could satisfy everyone. CCP - please hire a 20 programmer special development team to get this done ASAP!
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 736	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:08:43 - [15] - Quote -1 Remember ransom is not about letting you and your ship get away, it is about getting more ISK out of killing your ship and possibly YOU. Ransom paid in real life is a crap shoot anyway, you never know if those demanding the ransom will follow the agreement even if you pay it. Even though I am against this idea I want to address this. SurrenderMonkey wrote: If we were to assume that contractually enforced ransoming is desirable at all, some sort of escrow mechanic would make far more sense. I sort of doubt you could make it actually workable, though. Actually the escrow mechanic is quite simple. The person paying the ransom transfers the ISK to Concord and when you let that person fly away un-harmed then the ISK is transferred to your account. If you kill them anyway then the ISK returns to the original players wallet. Once the ISK transfers one way or the other then it all resets as if it had never happened.
Lando Cenvax State War Academy Caldari State 17	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:00:18 - [16] - Quote There is no such thing as ransom mechanic. If someone demands money in local/convo it's your judgement if you can/want to trust them. If you got yourself into a position that you consider paying ransom you can as well consider being podded. Anything else is gambling against the odds.

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