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Officer Pressly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.29 22:59:24 -
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I've noticed that in some of the starter corporations, certain individuals are running scams. Is this what we want the new players to meet when they start on their new eve career? I have nothing against beeing scammed, I am a veteran. Probably would be suprised if you managed to do so. But I want to hear Your opinions on letting People scam in channels dedicated to the newbros. Also posting in this section so that newer players can voice their opinion on the subject. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
631
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Posted - 2016.01.29 23:27:40 -
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I think newbie systems, including all tutorial systems are off limits to this behavior.
I definitely feel than newbies should at least be warned in some way that, "This isn't your MOMMA'S MMO" before going out into the world. That most of the protections players come in expecting, just are not present in Eve.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
2
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Posted - 2016.01.29 23:41:23 -
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Being a new player, I'm kind of torn on this one.
First, I'm not certain how CCP would even protect against this. It would be another "report it after it happens" kind of enforcement and I'm fairly sure they don't need to be full time cops but they might be willing to take this on.
Second, it's a part of the game as accepted by the players. Sure, almost every other MMO whips out the ban stick for this kind of stuff, but here in EVE, it seems to be accepted along with the rest of the game... so player beware!
What I might point out is that a little smarter 'training aid' could be developed. Like the first time you click "Transfer ISK to another player" it pops up a little video from "Yohann, your friendly banker trainer" warning about scams and such from other players, maybe even offering to detail how they work. This could be extended to other newbie oops maneuvers like improper fitting. "Hi, I'm Evalyn, your fitting trainer. I've noticed you're trying to put a hull repair module on your Venture... let's talk...", etc. etc. etc.
So, I guess, no, don't protect us, but do educate us. |
StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen.
Bad Intention
352
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Posted - 2016.01.29 23:53:44 -
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A scam tutorial should be made. Make the player think everything is all sunshine and isk. Then when they least expect it lay the hammer down. But give them hints to quit while they're ahead and warning in orange and red the whole time through. Those who arent gullible wont even hit the initial accept button when 'Steve the Scanner' initiates the convo.
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen.
Bad Intention
352
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Posted - 2016.01.29 23:57:01 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Being a new player, I'm kind of torn on this one.
First, I'm not certain how CCP would even protect against this. It would be another "report it after it happens" kind of enforcement and I'm fairly sure they don't need to be full time cops but they might be willing to take this on.
Second, it's a part of the game as accepted by the players. Sure, almost every other MMO whips out the ban stick for this kind of stuff, but here in EVE, it seems to be accepted along with the rest of the game... so player beware!
What I might point out is that a little smarter 'training aid' could be developed. Like the first time you click "Transfer ISK to another player" it pops up a little video from "Yohann, your friendly banker trainer" warning about scams and such from other players, maybe even offering to detail how they work. This could be extended to other newbie oops maneuvers like improper fitting. "Hi, I'm Evalyn, your fitting trainer. I've noticed you're trying to put a hull repair module on your Venture... let's talk...", etc. etc. etc.
So, I guess, no, don't protect us, but do educate us.
Evalyn has no idea how to fit a ship if she thinks it isn't ok to put a hull rep on a venture. Or any other ship for that matter. Scam awareness is a solid. Fitting advise not so.
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Paranoid Loyd
8313
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Posted - 2016.01.30 00:16:33 -
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Officer Pressly wrote:Is this what we want the new players to meet when they start on their new eve career? The sooner people learn about the pitfalls of the game the better.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1501
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Posted - 2016.01.30 04:39:08 -
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Just one of the many reasons why the NPC noob corps are poison. The average level of advice quality in those chats is somewhere between laser cane and hacking myrmidon. It's a terrible environment for new players in basically every respect - poor advice, blind leading the blind, active scamming, and your corp-mates have little to no interest in you.
If you are a new player and reading this, the takeaway is find a corp! Get out of that awful npc corp ASAP.
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New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli
Titan's Lament
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13857
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Posted - 2016.01.30 09:49:34 -
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+1
Cara is 100% correct , npc corp chat is about as useful as the voice chat for call of duty on Xbox.
Better the Devil you know.
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Memphis Baas
1003
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Posted - 2016.01.30 14:01:15 -
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You can also get back at the scammers by petitioning that you were inside the starter systems when you got scammed. And they'll get banned.
Because the rule of not messing with newbies in the starter systems still stands, and spamming scams on a chat channel gives them no control over who takes the bait and where. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
5701
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Posted - 2016.01.30 14:15:34 -
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Senior GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. |
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen.
Bad Intention
352
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Posted - 2016.01.30 14:29:23 -
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The topic isnt on rookie systems, It is on scamming in rookie corps.
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Memphis Baas
1004
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Posted - 2016.01.30 15:26:25 -
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So, scamming the people in rookie corps is ok, with the exception if the scam is taken by a rookie inside the rookie starter system, in which case he or she can report and the scammer will get banned.
Scammer has no control over who will click on his scam, whether it's a rookie in a rookie system or not.
So basically, go for it if you wan to scam, but unlike scams in Jita, you risk getting banned. Risk and reward... well, maybe not so much reward, considering how much ISK newbies can possibly start with. So, recalculating risk/reward.... = DUMB.
Is what I'm sayin'. |
Officer Pressly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.01.30 16:16:58 -
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I just think that the starter corp should have somewhat the same failsafes as the rookie systems. You are just as much a rookie, when you start out on the first day in a ibis, as you are when you say hi in that corp chat the first time.
Having a scam toturial is a brilliant idea +1 |
Officer Pressly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.01.30 16:18:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:+1
Cara is 100% correct , npc corp chat is about as useful as the voice chat for call of duty on Xbox.
Somewhat true. But theres im my opinion a Clear and distinctive diffrence between the starter Corporations and the other npc Corporations.
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Hibbe
Out of Pod Experience
4
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Posted - 2016.01.30 17:51:04 -
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Officer Pressly wrote:
I've noticed that in some of the starter corporations, certain individuals are running scams.
what kind of scams?
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2016.01.30 18:26:17 -
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Scamming should be allowed anywhere. Spamming should not. Accounts should have a biomass limit on them so I don't have to keep blocking people over and over again because they biomassed and created a new toon.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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Joran Dorn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.01.30 18:32:42 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Scamming should be allowed anywhere. Spamming should not. Accounts should have a biomass limit on them so I don't have to keep blocking people over and over again because they biomassed and created a new toon.
Though I agree that some from of limit on biomassing could be useful it should be set at a quite high number. There are afterall other reasons then the 'perpetual scamming' to use the biomass that are legitimate. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2016.01.30 18:56:58 -
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Joran Dorn wrote:Moonlit Raid wrote:Scamming should be allowed anywhere. Spamming should not. Accounts should have a biomass limit on them so I don't have to keep blocking people over and over again because they biomassed and created a new toon. Though I agree that some from of limit on biomassing could be useful it should be set at a quite high number. There are afterall other reasons then the 'perpetual scamming' to use the biomass that are legitimate.
I'd be interested to read some of them, would you care to elaborate?
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6270
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Posted - 2016.01.30 19:05:53 -
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Easy, make alt, watch corp chat.
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alfons Oriki
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:37:21 -
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Officer Pressly wrote:
I've noticed that in some of the starter corporations, certain individuals are running scams. Is this what we want the new players to meet when they start on their new eve career? I have nothing against beeing scammed, I am a veteran. Probably would be suprised if you managed to do so. But I want to hear Your opinions on letting People scam in channels dedicated to the newbros. Also posting in this section so that newer players can voice their opinion on the subject.
That sounds like it's simple part of the game. I'm new as you can get. And from what I can tell, this is a dog eat dog world up in this B . |
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alfons Oriki
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:55:36 -
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alfons Oriki wrote:Officer Pressly wrote:
I've noticed that in some of the starter corporations, certain individuals are running scams. Is this what we want the new players to meet when they start on their new eve career? I have nothing against beeing scammed, I am a veteran. Probably would be suprised if you managed to do so. But I want to hear Your opinions on letting People scam in channels dedicated to the newbros. Also posting in this section so that newer players can voice their opinion on the subject.
That sounds like it's simple part of the game. I'm new as you can get. And from what I can tell, this is a dog eat dog world up in this B .
I mean hell truthfully. I will and have not even tried to invite any one I know in to this game, it would simply be pointless. The people that made this made it so 90% of the population of the world can't play this game or even want to. Hell I'm still working on understanding the core basics of play. And I'm getting burnt out on it. I might as well go get a masters degree in economics then wast my time on a video game. |
Memphis Baas
1007
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Posted - 2016.01.31 00:10:30 -
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Officer Pressly wrote:I just think that the starter corp should have somewhat the same failsafes as the rookie systems. You are just as much a rookie, when you start out on the first day in a ibis, as you are when you say hi in that corp chat the first time.
Unfortunately, CCP does not KICK people out of that starter corp, so about 80% of it is actually veterans who have never joined player corps. And honestly, they are probably the intended targets for the scams; it's unlikely that newbies have anything worth stealing. So basically, if CCP gives special privileges to the starter corp, they would be protecting the veterans.
Which is why things are the way they are.
Scams Tutorial
The Internet is much better at presenting information and videos than any in-game chat channel. That EVE University Wiki page is chock-full of good stuff. Follow the links.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
258
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Posted - 2016.01.31 06:00:50 -
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alfons Oriki wrote:alfons Oriki wrote:Officer Pressly wrote:
I've noticed that in some of the starter corporations, certain individuals are running scams. Is this what we want the new players to meet when they start on their new eve career? I have nothing against beeing scammed, I am a veteran. Probably would be suprised if you managed to do so. But I want to hear Your opinions on letting People scam in channels dedicated to the newbros. Also posting in this section so that newer players can voice their opinion on the subject.
That sounds like it's simple part of the game. I'm new as you can get. And from what I can tell, this is a dog eat dog world up in this B . I mean hell truthfully. I will and have not even tried to invite any one I know in to this game, it would simply be pointless. The people that made this made it so 90% of the population of the world can't play this game or even want to. Hell I'm still working on understanding the core basics of play. And I'm getting burnt out on it. I might as well go get a masters degree in economics then wast my time on a video game.
yes, this game is not for the weak minded and impatient.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5665
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Posted - 2016.01.31 06:14:54 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Officer Pressly wrote:I just think that the starter corp should have somewhat the same failsafes as the rookie systems. You are just as much a rookie, when you start out on the first day in a ibis, as you are when you say hi in that corp chat the first time. Unfortunately, CCP does not KICK people out of that starter corp, so about 80% of it is actually veterans who have never joined player corps. And honestly, they are probably the intended targets for the scams; it's unlikely that newbies have anything worth stealing. So basically, if CCP gives special privileges to the starter corp, they would be protecting the veterans. Which is why things are the way they are. Scams TutorialThe Internet is much better at presenting information and videos than any in-game chat channel. That EVE University Wiki page is chock-full of good stuff. Follow the links.
This is exactly correct.
Hell, my publicly known alt (iPod Blues) spent a looooong time in the starter corp. Reason being that it made them underestimated. Noone expected the starter corp guy to be a Logistics 5 pilot.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1873
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Posted - 2016.01.31 23:43:15 -
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This is Evopedia on the subject ...
Quote:Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.
Note this references Rookie Systems not corp chat. |
Tweek Etimua
The Paragons
91
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Posted - 2016.02.03 20:08:01 -
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'Learn'em young' as they say. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.02.03 20:10:33 -
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This thread has been moved to General Discussion.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
155
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Posted - 2016.02.03 20:56:06 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:This thread has been moved to General Discussion.
Sweet Zombie Eisenhower. That's got to be a first.
Also...not sure how you could police starter-corp scamming. A lot of people in starter corps are not actually new-bros. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
572
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Posted - 2016.02.03 21:07:06 -
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I wouldn't scam a newbie out of their first hundred million, but If they have anything worth my time, that's a yay. Otherwise a nay. With players playing for over a decade and alt characters being as common as they are, "newbie" can mean a lot of things. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2956
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Posted - 2016.02.03 21:40:23 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Unfortunately, CCP does not KICK people out of that starter corp, so about 80% of it is actually veterans who have never joined player corps. And honestly, they are probably the intended targets for the scams; it's unlikely that newbies have anything worth stealing. So basically, if CCP gives special privileges to the starter corp, they would be protecting the veterans. Which is why things are the way they are. Scams TutorialThe Internet is much better at presenting information and videos than any in-game chat channel. That EVE University Wiki page is chock-full of good stuff. Follow the links.
Funnily enough, CCP does not accept the 'I was targeting the Vets' excuse on anything that is targeting rookies indiscriminately as well. People trying suspect baiting in rookie systems found this out the hard way.
So to OP, yes, Petition away. It's something CCP will only deal with after the fact on a petition obviously, they aren't going to monitor chat, but they won't stand by and watch people running scams in rookie corps constantly. A single scam is unlikely to cause anything obviously also. But the 'don't be a total ****' rule does actually apply in EVE, even if less than elsewhere. |
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