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Hatuk Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:46:00 - [1] ok im not to much into alliances stuff so pls help me out here. i read over and over again about BoB slave alliances or BoB pets alliances... can someone tell me which alliances are considered to be that today? thx
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:50:00 - [2] This thread needs more cowbell. I'll settle for the nerfbat. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:52:00 - [3] Bob = masters Slaves: Fix Xelas ASCN Rise Southwestern Residents
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:54:00 - [4] One thread gets deleted and just up goes another one. and i believe the answer is 'none of your business'. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Rift Scorn One thread gets deleted and just up goes another one. and i believe the answer is 'none of your business'. maybe he's looking to apply for a pet position ?
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Rift Scorn One thread gets deleted and just up goes another one. and i believe the answer is 'none of your business'. Slaves and pets are derisory terms for alliances and corporations who feel it's more beneficial to be under the wings of a stronger entity than it is to stand on their own. BoB, for example operate a large scale project where they allow people to live in BoB controlled space, in exchange for ISK or other services. D2 have operated a policy of allowing entities to inhabit space near to them, make some ISK from refining tax, but mainly "sponsor" these corporations by allowing them to grow under a somewhat protective arm. Some of these entities have grown and become strong enough to stand on their own. The criticism on BoB "slaves" is that they owe no real loyalty to BoB, and when it's no longer worthwhile to be in BoB space they'll leave, without feeling any debt towards them. The criticism on D2 "pets" is that they serve no real purpose other than to leech resources, and they will scatter as soon as any pressure is applied, or simply switch sides. It is not just D2 and BoB that operate this system, most spaceholding alliances (i.e. the ones you can see on the territorial map) have entities living within their borders that are not in the alliance. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:23:00 - [7] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/01/2007 01:20:16 Originally by: Hatuk ok im not to much into alliances stuff so pls help me out here. i read over and over again about BoB slave alliances or BoB pets alliances... can someone tell me which alliances are considered to be that today? thx "Slave" and "pet" are generally reserved for corps/alliances that are forced to pay for their space. RISE, I believe, may be moving into that kind of agreement with BoB if I am not mistaken. These terms are also used, by people who don't like an alliance, to describe any alliance that is allied with a stronger one. For example, Goonfleet are RA slaves/pets, IAC are AAA slaves/pets, FIX are BoB slaves/pets, IRON are D2 slaves/pets, BoB are CCP slaves/pets, etc. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Hatuk i read over and over again about BoB slave alliances or BoB pets alliances... can someone tell me which alliances are considered to be that today? Compare Josh's political map on these forums with the sovereignty map in-game. Where there is a difference, the alliance showing on the in-game map is probably a slave to the alliance showing on the other. /Ben How to fix Eve
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:12:00 - [9] IMO BoB slaves/pets is whoever lives in BoB space pretty much... Not always a bad thing, FIX, for example, I have a lot of respect for. If you are looking to find a BoB renter/slave/pet corp to join, the ones I can think of off the top of my head are: FIX Xelas Southern Cross Alliance R I S E Intrepid Crossing Red Moon Federation Corelum Syndicate (I think) Some random corps & alliances that live in Fountain, Paragon Soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis.
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:13:00 - [10] I like to be called vassal or to use bob's offical terms a member of the BOB guest program. ----------------------------------------------- Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:17:00 - [11] btw guys. some insider informations but pls dont tell to outsiders. did you know? D2 is a pet alliance of BoB existing only of alts (all 1600 my alts) hauling all the day to finish out 25 Titans and selling 0.0 living rights to other so we can maximize our profit due to a comparative advantage that bob space is better and not "infested" by everyone. Also splitting the 0.0 of bob into our Alt Alliance (D2) helps you guys to not turn mad and see some changes in the game.
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:29:00 - [12] I'm a slave to my "pet" tbh. ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:34:00 - [13] Edited by: Kespii on 30/01/2007 02:31:32 When has the word tenant become a synonym for the word pet or slave? It's almost like how the word fascism completely lost its meaning over time. The term fascism used to speak of a specific ideology in Italy, but nowadays most politicians just use it to accuse their enemies. Islamofascism anyone?
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:42:00 - [14] geez.. can't all BoB haters out there grow the hell up sometime.. Slave is someone who is forced to do something for his master without any sort of repayment and as far as i know all BoB friendlys that live in our space get payed pretty well in for of free 0.0 access and good ratting. So would you pls cut the cap and start acting like an adult and not some disgruntlet little brat that got spanked by us sometime. Really. _______________________________________
James Kavourias Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:49:00 - [15] the answer to your question deserves a purlitzer price. You signatures needs to be of your in-game avatar not someone else - Kreul Intentions [VtS]Gaijin - www.legionhq.org
Domalais Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari "Slave" and "pet" are generally reserved for corps/alliances that are forced to pay for their space. RISE, I believe, may be moving into that kind of agreement with BoB if I am not mistaken. These terms are also used, by people who don't like an alliance, to describe any alliance that is allied with a stronger one. For example, Goonfleet are RA slaves/pets, IAC are AAA slaves/pets, FIX are BoB slaves/pets, IRON are D2 slaves/pets, BoB are CCP slaves/pets, etc. I thought slave = paying and pet = not. What we're really looking at ingame though is a creation of a feudal system, so I think the term "vassal" is most appropriate.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Brunswick2 IMO BoB slaves/pets is whoever lives in BoB space pretty much... Not always a bad thing, FIX, for example, I have a lot of respect for. If you are looking to find a BoB renter/slave/pet corp to join, the ones I can think of off the top of my head are: FIX Xelas Southern Cross Alliance R I S E Intrepid Crossing Red Moon Federation Corelum Syndicate (I think) Some random corps & alliances that live in Fountain, Paragon Soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis. We are indeed Fountain residents. We've lost and killed a lot of ships in and for our current home so whether you want to apply the term "slaves" or not we're hardly sitting there hiding from anything hostile until big uncle BoB arrives to help us. As I see it it's pretty hard for a corp or small alliance to remain totally independant and live in 0.0, without the support of a larger entity which can assist if a much larger (hostile) entity takes a dislinking to you. NPC regions make it just about possible, and as far as I can see (as I wasn't in corp at the time) Coreli made about as good a go of it as possible in Curse. On the other side it's hard for large, powerful alliances to be everywhere defensively at once in their regions, so it makes sense to install friendly entities who are PvP capable but do not need to be directly managed or worried about, to do some of the work and have some fun. Also, it can be structurally easier to have "carebare" corps/alliances in your space to make use of the resources and pay you for the privelage. Having a mix of industrialists/miners/ratters and PvPers in a single entity can (though does not neccessarily) cause structural issues, so it's intelligent to "lease out" some of the work to corps/alliances other than the controlling power. Of course this has it's risks and drawbacks too when done badly. But anyways, it makes sense for both parties to have separate entities: One in ultime control with the main PvP power and others semi or mostly autonomous, doing their own thing but able to rely on the main powerhouse if something much bigger comes along with the intention of eating them up. D2 perhaps set it up with the most autonomy on the part of their "friends", and LV perhaps give their "Omist residents" the least, but really it's all the same sensible set up. Finally as someone pointed out in the other thread, being in a "slave" corp/alliance is not really any different to being a "slave member" of the controlling entity. They're both equally arbitrary examples of people who are not in 100% control of their actions in game. - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:05:00 - [18] hehe this is the best thread i have ever read well i do know one thing everyone in eve is slaves of CCP!!!!... hehehe
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Domalais Originally by: Dark Shikari "Slave" and "pet" are generally reserved for corps/alliances that are forced to pay for their space. RISE, I believe, may be moving into that kind of agreement with BoB if I am not mistaken. These terms are also used, by people who don't like an alliance, to describe any alliance that is allied with a stronger one. For example, Goonfleet are RA slaves/pets, IAC are AAA slaves/pets, FIX are BoB slaves/pets, IRON are D2 slaves/pets, BoB are CCP slaves/pets, etc. I thought slave = paying and pet = not. What we're really looking at ingame though is a creation of a feudal system, so I think the term "vassal" is most appropriate. Sounds about right. Vassal = paying, Tenant = not, maybe? -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
MDK II The Stock Brokers	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:15:00 - [20] I'm interested in being required to donate 2 outpost eggs and paying 6bil per month to be a "guest" somwhere in Eve. Anyone have any ideas? See i'm keen on being bent over and given a good rogering. CEO and Salesman for The Stock Brokers Need some minerals?
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:31:00 - [21] the bob mods must be slacking. Shouldn't they have locked this by now?
Vuudu Teeth Of The Hydra Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:36:00 - [22] Quote: I'm interested in being required to donate 2 outpost eggs and paying 6bil per month to be a "guest" somwhere in Eve. Anyone have any ideas? See i'm keen on being bent over and given a good rogering. Rolling Eyes CEO and Salesman for The Stock Brokers Need some minerals? Post with your main - but I have a feeling you're referring to the deal MWA has with BoB. If you want to continue to slam pets/tenants/slaves/vassa;s etc at least get the complete facts straight. MWA moved into Esoteria and were given control of 2 outposts there. We are required to pay BoB back for those two outposts - something that MWA agrees is fair - after all who wouldn't want to accept a deal that involves control of two outposts/stations immediately after moving in? Once the outposts are completed, MWA will just be paying our standard rent - which our leadership decided was much better than what we had with our previous landlords. And if we're slaves, omg how did we even manage to leave our prior landlords without incident?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:43:00 - [23] "the bob mods must be slacking. Shouldn't they have locked this by now?" Just a moment, let me put on my mod robe and the tinfoil hat- oh, wait o.o;
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:48:00 - [24] So many people are willing to criticize the choices of these vassal states, and call them cowards for not standing on their own. Often Xelas is mentioned as an example of this behaviour, by people that know nothing of that alliances history or heritage. Consider the alliances that at one point set out to destroy them: PA, FE, G, VC and FA... Xelas are still standing, where are they? Lets hope that your courage holds when you are set upon by the same kinds of forces.
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:54:00 - [25] Generally the term 'pets/slaves etc etc' may not be accurate in the literal sense, but it's used to apply to corps / alliances who pay ISK, on a continual basis, to remain in space marked as that of the controling entity. If you own all the stations, and pay no form of rent. Then: - you wouldn't be a pet / slave - The map should be marked as such Now there are some reasons the political map shows space that in all reality belongs to one entity as if it belongs to another (sometimes egos). Of course most of the people calling others slaves or pets are making assumptions on the fact that there's some form of servitude. Mostly they're right, but I know of some cases where the marking on the map is solely to appease someones ego.
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Nesa Generally the term 'pets/slaves etc etc' may not be accurate in the literal sense, but it's used to apply to corps / alliances who pay ISK, on a continual basis, to remain in space marked as that of the controling entity. If you own all the stations, and pay no form of rent. Then: - you wouldn't be a pet / slave - The map should be marked as such Now there are some reasons the political map shows space that in all reality belongs to one entity as if it belongs to another (sometimes egos). Of course most of the people calling others slaves or pets are making assumptions on the fact that there's some form of servitude. Mostly they're right, but I know of some cases where the marking on the map is solely to appease someones ego. You should put this new meaning of the word "slave" on dictionary.com. It's insane people will twist the meaning of a word just so they can have their daily bob bashing on eve-o.
Firane Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:04:00 - [27] Edited by: Firane on 30/01/2007 04:01:28 Originally by: j0sephine "the bob mods must be slacking. Shouldn't they have locked this by now?" Just a moment, let me put on my mod robe and the tinfoil hat- oh, wait o.o; I cast Lv. 8 Rabble of the Infinite. You turn into a real beautiful woman. --- It's great not caring, isn't it?
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:07:00 - [28] Let me add, there are those that play this game that find it offensive that vassals willingly live in the state they are in. There was someone named rennard who made a post just like this one, and calls us pests over a VIDEO GAME. You guys should really think before you speak, because you might take this ingame emnity out of game, thereby blurring the line between reality and a video game.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:10:00 - [29] Edited by: welsh wizard on 30/01/2007 04:09:33 Originally by: Ab Initio So many people are willing to criticize the choices of these vassal states, and call them cowards for not standing on their own. Often Xelas is mentioned as an example of this behaviour, by people that know nothing of that alliances history or heritage. Consider the alliances that at one point set out to destroy them: PA, FE, G, VC and FA... Xelas are still standing, where are they? Lets hope that your courage holds when you are set upon by the same kinds of forces. Theres no denying it, they're still there. It's more dogged tenacity in the face of frequent devastation. On more than one occasion they've been reduced to a significant majority empire existence. Of course they have a very nice insurance policy in the form of bored BoB corps, but one can only salute their chin up attitude. They are truly the most tenacious of bears. You will of course disagree but I'd hazard an observation. No single alliance has suffered more at the hands of one corp than Xelas have to Celestial Apocalypse. It's well over 5000 kills now (at least on our boards). This observation could be wrong, maybe EVOL or ATUK inflicted more damage on PA/etc back in the day? I wasn't about so I couldn't say. This isn't an achievement in your eyes I know but perhaps it sheds some light on why Celestial Apocalypse are proud of what they have done and react so abrasivly to harsh comments from the opposition. Utter domination in the face of overwhelming numbers, that will remain Celes' legacy long after they've gone. I hope this won't generate any bitter replies, I've tried to keep it civil.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:49:00 - [30] They're terms used to help keep the collective Blob of Brothers ego in check, and it works. _________________________________________________________

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