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Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:30:00 - [1] Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder.
Smoking Mirror Secret Interests Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:47:00 - [2] Where does a little group of 30 pvp wannabes skulking in npc stations and "Friends with YouWhat" get off running down FLA? At least they hold space and have stand-up fights with people like TRI. WTF has Axe Gang ever done? Set up a particularly vicious bubble camp this one time?
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 30/01/2007 03:50:37 FLA Has not NAP'ed TRI, we have set them to neutral and in accordance with FLA policy, it means that we will now not ACTIVLY pursue them, however, should they enter our space, they will be shot on sight. if TRI proves themselves in this conflict, and so wish, we may consider NAP at a latter date, but TRI have ALOT to prove to FLA before we consider them "Friends" (politically, i have quite a few personal friends in TRI already, they are nice guys, and always a good fight)
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. Ha! HaHa! HaHaHa! Muhahahaha! Yes FLA is just a bunch of ore sucking carebears, right! Yeah we NAPed TRI cos we don't want to fight them, right! uhhh... Wrong. with TRI, its a case of "then enemy of my enemy is my friend", nothing more, we LOVED fighting TRI, they are a great bunch of peeps who actuley bring a real right and don't smack in local, TRI also consider the north there playground and as such don't want it to fall to BoB and co. I have a clue on contract in o-2 cheep if you wanna come up and get it -
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. + stuff 1. Because it's profitable to live in 0.0. Durrr. 2. NAPing a alliance that was formerly killing your members is not 'not defending your members' because the napped alliance will no longer be killing them. Continuing to kill an alliance you have a chance to make a friendship with, assuming you don't like pvp, is called 'bad diplomacy'. 3. See 1. 4. This policy can be perfectly reasonable, depending upon how your alliance works. If it doesn't need to regularly engage in pos wars, concentrating all your members into one timezone is fine because you can muster a large concentrated force. Plus you have to consider in, say, a russian speaking alliance, the vast majority of eligible players would come from 3-4 consecutive zones. There aren't many us westcoast russian speakers. The basic answer to your entire post is that: 0.0 is profitable and fun, so people want to live there. I should have thought that painfully obvious. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/01/2007 04:00:29 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as a lot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. I would tend to disagree with this assessment ***
nickky01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Alski I have a clue on contract in o-2 cheep if you wanna come up and get it i have a raging clue right now ------------------------------------------- Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
Apophis Omega Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Apophis Omega on 30/01/2007 04:52:32 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. FLA did not nap TRI (that must be who you are referring to). TRI has set the north blue until the BOB gangs stop coming up north. FLA made a specific post stating that TRI is at 0.0 and will go back to -10.0 when BOB stops sending roaming gangs over to them. If this was a true NAP FLA would have set them blue and have shared pie with them. This was meant to preserve each other so they can later shoot each other. That is not weak, that is following an old wise saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Or another classie "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" Those alliances have as much of a right in 0.0 as you have posting this topic which is flamebait. Natural selection will sort them out over time. Apop. Recruiting Our website
Apophis Omega Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:53:00 - [9] Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Alski I have a clue on contract in o-2 cheep if you wanna come up and get it i have a raging clue right now My clue is pointing over their Recruiting Our website
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:10:00 - [10] I cant tell you how much i enjoy reading such crap topics on the eve-o-forums. If u got something to say about FLA, come up to dek and i can show ya what we are about. WTB retarded Forum Topic blocker.... http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:25:00 - [11] Actually, the FLA replies are quite funny. My post was not directed particularly at FLA but if you want to turn this into FLA vs Sinnbad, go right ahead. Read my entire post before you reply. Your lack of communication skills explains your PVP effectiveness. My questions were asking why alliances who are so weak and they think they can survive in 0.0 when they clearly will not? ASCN fell and they were twice the alliance you were. Where did I attack FLA? I simply asked why alliances dont better protect their members? I asked why they think they can sit and wait for the next attack? And if you want to threaten me go right ahead, here is my reply to you bunch of carebear fools: FLA IS WEAK SAUCE. Now what you gonna do? Hmmm. Maybe ask your little gate camp in 8S to come get me? Lol. Come get me you bunch of fools. I welcome the challenge
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:29:00 - [12] Edited by: dastommy79 on 30/01/2007 05:33:24 Edited by: dastommy79 on 30/01/2007 05:32:50 Edited by: dastommy79 on 30/01/2007 05:29:44 cough lock the thread ccp before i flame on this noob P.S who are the the axe gang? do you hold any 0.0 space? when u want to learn about being part of a real 0.0 alliance, convo me in game and i'll give u some tips.... heres the first 2 #1 dont speak about a matter that u have no experience in #2 who are u and where can i kill u? *ccp you are too late http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:31:00 - [13] I think that if you had played Eve a bit longer you might be a bit more familiar with the amount of emotion involved. The entire framework of the northern alliance could be considered partially to have been created and maintained by their mutual dislike of BoB. The vast majority of the northern alliances don't like BoB and have no wish to be rolled over by them they way many of the southern alliances have been. If you had been around to hear stories of the Great Northern War you wouldn't be suprised at enemies joining forces to repel BoB. No one entity is as likely to ruin your enjoyment of Eve. My .02 isk
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Apophis Omega Edited by: Apophis Omega on 30/01/2007 04:52:32 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. FLA did not nap TRI (that must be who you are referring to). TRI has set the north blue until the BOB gangs stop coming up north. FLA made a specific post stating that TRI is at 0.0 and will go back to -10.0 when BOB stops sending roaming gangs over to them. If this was a true NAP FLA would have set them blue and have shared pie with them. This was meant to preserve each other so they can later shoot each other. That is not weak, that is following an old wise saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Or another classie "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" Those alliances have as much of a right in 0.0 as you have posting this topic which is flamebait. Natural selection will sort them out over time. Apop. you wanna know something? Your reply is pure crap First of all. If I have an alliance and some corp decides to hunt them, you think I am gonna lay down my guns cause MAYBE BOB is comming? No. I am gonna take the fight to the corp killing my members until either they or us are dead. And honestly, where does my post represent the corp that I am in? AXE Gang is not part of this post or any other post. Last time I checked, I can post freely. I am asking questions here. Dont like the questions, then take a hike and go troll somewhere else. Seriously, you people need to shake your head. If you get really offended by my post, oh noes. Go get in your ship, run your agent locate and come kill me. Otherwise **** off.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:43:00 - [15] OK mate, i give u a chance. What relationship have u had with the FLA that causes u to draw this conclusion? (note that this is ingame experience, not forums smack that we all do) http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Liet Traep I think that if you had played Eve a bit longer you might be a bit more familiar with the amount of emotion involved. The entire framework of the northern alliance could be considered partially to have been created and maintained by their mutual dislike of BoB. The vast majority of the northern alliances don't like BoB and have no wish to be rolled over by them they way many of the southern alliances have been. If you had been around to hear stories of the Great Northern War you wouldn't be suprised at enemies joining forces to repel BoB. No one entity is as likely to ruin your enjoyment of Eve. My .02 isk Repel BOB from what exactly? Have they brought in cap ships? Maybe they are just looking for some action. Some pew pew. And judging by the temperature of FLA, they are running scared at the first site of a cyno. Gee whiz. My original question stands and something I wont back down from. Why do alliances let their members die and then nap/blue enemies? Its nice to see FLA getting **ed off in the forum. Now translate that into roving gangs, go kill neutrals and get revenge for members who have fallen. As far as I can tell, I have not killed any FLA lately. ** So the anger you are venting at me is quite frankly troubling. Why arent you looking for blood vs Tri for the amount of isk they cost you defending your two systems??? Ask a question and an entire alliance wants me dead? Seriously ppl.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:50:00 - [17] i'd say those 1 man alliances everywhere are pretty weaksauce. i bet i could solo their entire alliance in an inter-alliance fleet battle. GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:55:00 - [18] Originally by: dastommy79 OK mate, i give u a chance. What relationship have u had with the FLA that causes u to draw this conclusion? (note that this is ingame experience, not forums smack that we all do) Give me a chance to ask a question about why Alliances dont defend their members? My original post is quite comprehensive. After examining the loss of ASCN and witnessing the local hostilities, the post was designed to get replies (hence the post). I live in the North. I have fought Bob. I have not killed your members due to standings in local 0.0. I have done my fair share in 0.0 and my record stands for itself. I dont need to prove anything to anyone. I asked a question. You flamed me. Thats fine. But at least reply to what I wrote and not make up something that wasnt typed. Thats it. I give up, YOU WIN. Letting your members die is cool. Good luck with that.
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Repel BOB from what exactly? Have they brought in cap ships? Yes, they have. and we are still sitting in our space. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Where did I attack FLA? I simply asked why alliances dont better protect their members? I asked why they think they can sit and wait for the next attack? i'll answer this with another quote from you. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. that was a directed attack at FLA, had you left out "like FLA" nothing would have even been said. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem FLA IS WEAK SAUCE. Now what you gonna do? Hmmm. Maybe ask your little gate camp in 8S to come get me? so you can hide in a station in jita? no thanks. you know where we are. come visit.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Liet Traep I think that if you had played Eve a bit longer you might be a bit more familiar with the amount of emotion involved. The entire framework of the northern alliance could be considered partially to have been created and maintained by their mutual dislike of BoB. The vast majority of the northern alliances don't like BoB and have no wish to be rolled over by them they way many of the southern alliances have been. If you had been around to hear stories of the Great Northern War you wouldn't be suprised at enemies joining forces to repel BoB. No one entity is as likely to ruin your enjoyment of Eve. My .02 isk Repel BOB from what exactly? Have they brought in cap ships? Maybe they are just looking for some action. Some pew pew. And judging by the temperature of FLA, they are running scared at the first site of a cyno. Gee whiz. My original question stands and something I wont back down from. Why do alliances let their members die and then nap/blue enemies? Its nice to see FLA getting **ed off in the forum. Now translate that into roving gangs, go kill neutrals and get revenge for members who have fallen. As far as I can tell, I have not killed any FLA lately. ** So the anger you are venting at me is quite frankly troubling. Why arent you looking for blood vs Tri for the amount of isk they cost you defending your two systems??? Ask a question and an entire alliance wants me dead? Seriously ppl. #1 FLA hold 1/2 of Dek, not 2 systems #2 Its not a peronal grudge twords you. Its a "you dont live in dek, u dont fly in dek, you dont understand the situation in dek" seriously, I smell a BOB alt thats master is angry about getting spanked by the north. My .02 isk http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem **** So the anger you are venting at me is quite frankly troubling. Why arent you looking for blood vs Tri for the amount of isk they cost you defending your two systems??? Because Tri are fun. I don't know what your problem is... Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Actually, the FLA replies are quite funny. My post was not directed particularly at FLA but if you want to turn this into FLA vs Sinnbad, go right ahead. I seem to recall our being the only alliance you mentioned by name in your inaugural post, so it's pretty understandable that every FLA pilot who reads it is going to turn around to defend the honour of their alliance. Quote: My questions were asking why alliances who are so weak and they think they can survive in 0.0 when they clearly will not? ASCN fell and they were twice the alliance you were. Where do you draw the line? I can't speak for other alliances, but I believe that FLA is quite capable of looking after ourselves, at our own level. We can deal with people like Beagle Corp, or Triumvirate (hey guys!). For the most part, we manage to keep roving gank squads out of our turf and keep it fairly clean so we can trundle along and accumulate ISK and ships. We even put up with repeated attacks from Burn Eden for quite a while. You seem to be setting the bar much higher, pitting us against the likes of ASCN or BoB. It does not exactly require the finest military mind of the 21st century to realise that against such superpowers we are of course hideously outmatched. There is no shame in admitting this, not least because the same is true of nearly every other individual alliance in the game. We have no titan, no vast capital fleet, no enormous blob of tech-2 fitted faction battleships. What we have is something far less tangible - it is, after all, impossible to place an ISK value on having powerful, close allies and a near-bottomless reserve of determination. It is our stated code to NEVER back down from a fight. We will meet any foe head-on, charge down the throat of even the most overwhelming odds, and scream defiance in the faces of giants not out of any inflated sense of power, or any mistaken illusion that we are as powerful - but because it is what we consider to be the right thing to do. And who knows? we might just trip the giant up in the process. It is through that determination that we first claimed our slice of 0.0, and so long as that well of resolve persists, we will fight to hold on to it. The only way to throw us out of Deklein will be to smash all our ships, annihilate all our POSes, claim all our outposts, and pod us until we run out of funds to pay for our clones and even the lowliest of tech 1 frigates. Until that day comes, and even beyond it, our guns will continue to chant their litany of defiance. THAT is why we are worthy. ***
Daedal Virtu Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Daedal Virtu on 30/01/2007 06:19:23 As the head of FLA, I feel that I'm probably in one of the best positions to respond to this. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. You will find if you are experienced enough you don't need to qualify your experience with statements, people will know of you or your corp. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? Because the amount of potential profit exeedes the risk. No that FLA doesn't like PVP and doesn't enjoy it, but the point of EVE is to ultimately prosper. Its up to your own particular goals to decide what constitutes that. 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. We do shoot back, and we have yet to NAP an enemy of FLA despite pressure from our allies. In the end they respect our decisions and let them be. However a case can be made for having people who were shooting at you as friends prevents more shooting. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? Its hard to defend an individual, its easier to defend a group, its easier again to defend a constellation, or the three that FLA control. The reason for this is simple, its much harder to kill a whole group than a single ship and when your ship gets replaced... who really cares. Dieing is the risk of 0.0. 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. These are usually the small ones that live under larger alliances that protect them. Dont worry, they usually only recruit by reference. Recruiting anyone is a good way to get robbed blind. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. If your based around a specific cultural group, it does limit your choices, such as the old G alliance, and Red. Its up to them to decide how they want to run their alliance, and if you don't want to join them, don't. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. Feel free to point out a whiner alliance, also feel free to point out a 'real' threat as you see fit... most of the alliances you refer to were huge and just ended up on the loosing side of a war against a skilled opponent. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Most dont claim to be PVP alliances, and as for not trying to insult anyone im pretty sure you missed you mark with statements like "Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances?" Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Yep, your credibility went through the roof with this statement. Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Most alliances don't advertise how many cap ships they have, most people think FLA has less than 10. Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. It isnt??? But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. Please point out one group we napped that ran around podding us... please... Now our gatecamp will not come get you, it serves to assist in protecting our members, something you seem to think we don't do. If you have anything more to ask, please do. Else kindly stop picking a fight that no one cares about FLA One http://fla.killerspace.com/forum/ <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced>
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Alski on 30/01/2007 06:24:26 Lol this is fairly amusing, your in a 30 man corp that no-one has ever heard of, who live.... where? In NPC 0.0? heh! And while your intentions may have been fair, and your questions valid, you ended your post smacking FLA, whom you clearly know nothing about, and making assumptions based on us temporally resetting standings with TRI – which you know nothing about.... Right, that makes sense. Here some fun facts for you: - IRON reset TRI to +10 - This obviously causes problems for FLA when operating in IRON space, and so we agreed to reset standings, this caused a bombshell of discussion in alliance chat and local intel channels when it was announced, lots of people were not happy, EVERYONE was very surprised, but the bottom line is – we did not NAP TRI – IRON NAPED TRI and we reset standings to ease any problems this might cause. Are you going to call IRON “Weak Sauce” now too? -Your questions were fine -Your post was fine -Talking about matters you know NOTHING about and then laying some smack on an entire alliance based on your incorrect assumptions was not, it was flamebait, you said it yourself. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. Originally by: Nikerym Selugion Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. that was a directed attack at FLA, had you left out "like FLA" nothing would have even been said. QFT -
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:35:00 - [24] Edited by: boogaboob on 30/01/2007 06:31:08 GJ ignoring my valid and smack-free replay, sinnbad... We could have ended this before it began.. Or was your intention simply to act like a tard on the forums? Cause that's what you're doing atm. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Nore Khadafi Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:36:00 - [25] Question for Sinnbad: Did you. Take. Posting lessons. From. DBP? Seriously lay of the enter key, it has feelings too.
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:38:00 - [26] Edited by: dastommy79 on 30/01/2007 06:38:17 YARRR!!! put this boy in his place m8's. I'm just a good flamer P.S. dont mind me, I'm a drunk caldari pilot waiting for my geddon to come out of the oven (seriously just dont ask) http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:40:00 - [27] Originally by: dastommy79 YARRR!!! P.S. dont mind me, I'm a drunk caldari pilot waiting for my geddon to come out of the oven (seriously just dont ask) It's great being Caldarimarrian, ain't it? ***
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: dastommy79 YARRR!!! P.S. dont mind me, I'm a drunk caldari pilot waiting for my geddon to come out of the oven (seriously just dont ask) It's great being Caldarimarrian, ain't it? Seriously i cant tell u how much sp i've wasted training these 2 races. TBH i am a bit surprised i'm even pvp capable http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:53:00 - [29] Take heart. If you're a very good boy, you might find that Santa left you a Sansha Nightmare in your christmas stocking. Then it will all pay off. ***
Formosus Funus Nexus Legion NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:58:00 - [30] Well, this is quite funny. If you know it so well, why didn't you took our space yet? About being afraid to fight, I chased quite some members of that 'Axe gang' and they all ran away at all times, so please come to the point. For Tri being + to the North is just a pure tactical move. BoB would shoot Tri anyway, so why wouldn't they fight with the rest of the North against them? Is that 'wrong'? When I was in FLA I've to admit all the NAP's are quite boring sometimes, but after all it's not bad. You're always in the middle of safe space. And if you want to shoot something you just go some systems fiurther or wait for the weekend when Tri/Beagle comes up again (Now it has been a while for Beagle though but you get the point). Just FLA's location is annoying when you want a fight cause you need to go around quite a few systems, but hey, where some of us make so many jumps to get a fight some of your corp make so many jumps to run away .
Sasha Saucer	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Sasha Saucer on 30/01/2007 08:14:52 Originally by: Formosus Funus Well, this is quite funny. If you know it so well, why didn't you took our space yet? About being afraid to fight, I chased quite some members of that 'Axe gang' and they all ran away at all times, so please come to the point. For Tri being + to the North is just a pure tactical move. BoB would shoot Tri anyway, so why wouldn't they fight with the rest of the North against them? Is that 'wrong'? When I was in FLA I've to admit all the NAP's are quite boring sometimes, but after all it's not bad. You're always in the middle of safe space. And if you want to shoot something you just go some systems fiurther or wait for the weekend when Tri/Beagle comes up again (Now it has been a while for Beagle though but you get the point). Just FLA's location is annoying when you want a fight cause you need to go around quite a few systems, but hey, where some of us make so many jumps to get a fight some of your corp make so many jumps to run away . lol
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:27:00 - [32] Well never heard of you or your corp Sinnbad Mayhem, but a quick check came up with some interesting facts. 1.You logonskiÆs and are proud of it 2.You shoot your corp members cause they ignore you 3.You like to fly nano ships Minmatar and Caldari 4.You suicide gank in empire 5.You donÆt have any friends (wonder why) and made a channel called "RELATIONSHIPS" so you could get some friends. 6.You have around 7 million skill points 7.You have to be told a lot to stop talking in local 8.You are looking for a new corp, go figure 9.You have stated ôI have seen ASCN, BOB, and every other alliance logoffski in recent daysö (now you really get around for a noob) 10.You have never owned space, so you know nothing about it Hey IÆll be your friend, come to Dek, just a little past that gate with the warning can form where you hideà errà live Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem alliances like FLA. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem My post was not directed particularly at FLA Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Liet Traep I have not killed any FLA EVER Fixed that one for you Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem I live in the North. I have fought Bob. I have not killed your members due to standings in local 0.0. I have done my fair share in 0.0 and my record stands for itself. LMAOà no reallyà LMFAOà make it stop __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:40:00 - [33] As an Axe Gang officer please understand the following: That Sinbaad does NOT represent the official views of the Corp. Sinbaad, consider this a gag order, speak to Mav, Jax, or Marcus ASAP. I am assuming that you are drunk. Which is perfectly acceptable, Your timing however, isn't. Please understand the main thrust of his questions weren't actually aimed at FLA, if any of you have any concerns, please contact me, or knthrak lazenca (alt), post DT. A legend in my own mind
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:54:00 - [34] Originally by: Tarphon Well never heard of you or your corp Sinnbad Mayhem, but a quick check came up with some interesting facts. 1.You logonskiÆs and are proud of it 2.You shoot your corp members cause they ignore you 3.You like to fly nano ships Minmatar and Caldari 4.You suicide gank in empire 5.You donÆt have any friends (wonder why) and made a channel called "RELATIONSHIPS" so you could get some friends. 6.You have around 7 million skill points 7.You have to be told a lot to stop talking in local 8.You are looking for a new corp, go figure 9.You have stated ôI have seen ASCN, BOB, and every other alliance logoffski in recent daysö (now you really get around for a noob) 10.You have never owned space, so you know nothing about it Hey IÆll be your friend, come to Dek, just a little past that gate with the warning can form where you hideà errà live Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem alliances like FLA. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem My post was not directed particularly at FLA Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Liet Traep I have not killed any FLA EVER Fixed that one for you Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem I live in the North. I have fought Bob. I have not killed your members due to standings in local 0.0. I have done my fair share in 0.0 and my record stands for itself. LMAOà no reallyà LMFAOà make it stop That was quite good. And your right I never owned space. My question still stands but I guess you would rather attack me on the forums. Oh well. And Yes, I was due to leave AXE Gang due to timezone differences. However, I have never shot my corp m8s or logonski (i dont even know what that is). I reviewed my original post. I still believe it asks the tough questions. A few legitimate replies, some not so. However, Tarphon, I do believe you crossed the line here with your garbage post. I really do. I am betting that your a small man, perhaps lacking in stature. Perhaps you were bullied as a boy? Did they tease you cause you were short or too slow in Gym class? CYA around
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Liora Vahan As an Axe Gang officer please understand the following: That Sinbaad does NOT represent the official views of the Corp. Sinbaad, consider this a gag order, speak to Mav, Jax, or Marcus ASAP. I am assuming that you are drunk. Which is perfectly acceptable, Your timing however, isn't. Please understand the main thrust of his questions weren't actually aimed at FLA, if any of you have any concerns, please contact me, or knthrak lazenca (alt), post DT. Consider my last post my resignation, have fun. Tell Mav I said hi too
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Tarphon Well never heard of you or your corp Sinnbad Mayhem, but a quick check came up with some interesting facts. 1.You logonskiÆs and are proud of it 2.You shoot your corp members cause they ignore you 3.You like to fly nano ships Minmatar and Caldari 4.You suicide gank in empire 5.You donÆt have any friends (wonder why) and made a channel called "RELATIONSHIPS" so you could get some friends. 6.You have around 7 million skill points 7.You have to be told a lot to stop talking in local 8.You are looking for a new corp, go figure 9.You have stated ôI have seen ASCN, BOB, and every other alliance logoffski in recent daysö (now you really get around for a noob) 10.You have never owned space, so you know nothing about it Hey IÆll be your friend, come to Dek, just a little past that gate with the warning can form where you hideà errà live Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem alliances like FLA. Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem My post was not directed particularly at FLA Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Liet Traep I have not killed any FLA EVER Fixed that one for you Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem I live in the North. I have fought Bob. I have not killed your members due to standings in local 0.0. I have done my fair share in 0.0 and my record stands for itself. LMAOà no reallyà LMFAOà make it stop That was quite good. And your right I never owned space. My question still stands but I guess you would rather attack me on the forums. Oh well. And Yes, I was due to leave AXE Gang due to timezone differences. However, I have never shot my corp m8s or logonski (i dont even know what that is). I reviewed my original post. I still believe it asks the tough questions. A few legitimate replies, some not so. However, Tarphon, I do believe you crossed the line here with your garbage post. I really do. I am betting that your a small man, perhaps lacking in stature. Perhaps you were bullied as a boy? Did they tease you cause you were short or too slow in Gym class? CYA around ayep by the way all info garnered thru eve search, if you dont want people to know then dont post it and then smack __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
tehnomage Amarr Death Monkey's With Knives Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:06:00 - [37] What I will say now is so 1337 and s3kr3t that my alliance mates will prolly pod me on sight because I told you this, and I will be forever hunted ... but alas, I can keep silence no longer, so here it is : FLA is s3kr3tly conducting negociations with Concord, in order to get NAP with them (couldn't resist )
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:11:00 - [38] Originally by: tehnomage What I will say now is so 1337 and s3kr3t that my alliance mates will prolly pod me on sight because I told you this, and I will be forever hunted ... but alas, I can keep silence no longer, so here it is : FLA is s3kr3tly conducting negociations with Concord, in order to get NAP with them (couldn't resist ) That was double top secret classified!! OH NOES __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. 1. Cause you are able to build up resources faster. You get to learn pvp the hard way. You might be under the wings of a bigger entity and serve another purpose than defending space. 2. Napping enemies is a part of 0.0 warfare. Napping a hostile alliance doesnt neccessarily mean you didnt put up a good fight in advance. Your recognise their skills and choose to save what u have spent so much time to build instead of ruining it totally. Live to fight another day. If the Nap'ed part shoot you after the nap, things are different. Some are just to small to defend themselves against larger entities. 3. Some join corps and allies of equal mind. Rl commitments actually make it hard for some ppl to spend 24/7 in a game. Being married, having kids, demanding jobs, or just dont wanna spend their whole life in a game. Dont join them if they havent got the same attitude and commitment as you 4. Seems like ur shortsighted dude. How much time have you spendt building up a corp or alliance? It aint easy. It takes alot of work and dedication to be successfull in eve. Making sure that all timezones are having fun is a part of the job. If you wanna keep outposts ur most likely dependant on this. If your just living in npc stations or under the wings of another alliance this isnt neccessarily needed. Quote: Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. Holding space isnt easy. Dont have to be a wuss because you chose not to. Some ppl live under the wings of others cause they choose to. Try to build an empire and hold space. Lets see how you do it better. Quote: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE Your right. Add " i dont have a clue" and ur spot on
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. Well, you have been told already FLA didn't NAP TRI. If I ever enter their space I expect to be shot down. It's not something you can call NAP, can you? And please don't flame FLA. They may be my enemies but I have lot's of respect for them. They are not afraid to fight for their space and so far they are quite successful. And to answer your questions: those alliances exists and prospere in 0.0 for quite some time so they can't be so bad. Of course it's better to have large capital fleet and thousands of players sitting in EVE for 23/7 in every TZ. But it's like playing EVE with godmode on. Try acheving something in EVE with suboptimal resources, low skilled and time limited players. That is something you can call a challenge.
Mav McKinnly Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:33:00 - [41] Edited by: Mav McKinnly on 30/01/2007 09:32:46 I read these posts in depth, and have formulated a thorough response that should cover most of the arguements proposed within this thread: ***ES *ES *ES ***ES. Thank you. May this solve our differences. (Note: the profanity relates to the medical term used for one's phalus. I really hate how censorship often makes things seem worse than they are.)
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:36:00 - [42] Amen ***
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:43:00 - [43] Another bob thread? snip - Signature removed, email us to know why. -Ivan K
Mav McKinnly Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:46:00 - [44] Yes. BoB paid us to start it. Technically, it's wired from BoB, to Toxin, to another smaller unnamed corp, and then I think the money hits some drug lords in columbia, and THEN after that it goes to us. Then we prep the region for the columbian drug lords who then prep the region for the smaller, unnamed corp, who then prep the region for Toxin, followed by BoB. And after BoB, comes NEC. It's the greatest conspiracy of BoB puppets ever.
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:49:00 - [45] Originally by: LUKEC Another bob thread? Wrong room mate, next one up on teh left __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:55:00 - [46] NEC as in the corpses we chucked from the hangar? Or NEC as the POS VCR I repaired today? And where is my share of the bob drug lord money? Axe Gang - winding topics that look ugly up into random crap that get's moderated since 2006 A legend in my own mind
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:56:00 - [47] ... because they can. EVE politics, is a lot like real life politics. Some stuff is done, because it's expedient. Some because the person in charge is a monkey. Others because of fear. And others because it's just a laugh. Sometimes it is hard to tell which of the above applies, and that's even assuming it's only one. If you feel that you don't like the way an alliance does business, then by all means, go wardec them, and try and kill them. Or just moan on the forums or something, I mean, that's far easier.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Liora Vahan As an Axe Gang officer please understand the following: That Sinbaad does NOT represent the official views of the Corp. Sinbaad, consider this a gag order, speak to Mav, Jax, or Marcus ASAP. I am assuming that you are drunk. Which is perfectly acceptable, Your timing however, isn't. Please understand the main thrust of his questions weren't actually aimed at FLA, if any of you have any concerns, please contact me, or knthrak lazenca (alt), post DT. Consider my last post my resignation, have fun. Tell Mav I said hi too Well said Liora, polite and to the point. I'm sure Sinnbad will be a great "asset" in the next corp he joins. oh..I seem to have used the wrong suffix, the one I was looking for was "hole"
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:49:00 - [49] Edited by: Darknesss on 30/01/2007 11:55:15 Originally by: Nikerym Selugion Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 30/01/2007 03:50:37 FLA Has not NAP'ed TRI, we have set them to neutral and in accordance with FLA policy, it means that we will now not ACTIVLY pursue them, however, should they enter our space, they will be shot on sight. if TRI proves themselves in this conflict, and so wish, we may consider NAP at a latter date, but TRI have ALOT to prove to FLA before we consider them "Friends" (politically, i have quite a few personal friends in TRI already, they are nice guys, and always a good fight) Excuse me? why the hell would we want to prove ourselves to you? Some FLA i like but your ridiculous patronising post is not going to help any relation with us. We dont want to be your friends. You have to prove yourself to us if you want to be. Are you trying to go back to -10?
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 30/01/2007 11:51:19 Originally by: Nikerym Selugion Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 30/01/2007 03:50:37 FLA Has not NAP'ed TRI, we have set them to neutral and in accordance with FLA policy, it means that we will now not ACTIVLY pursue them, however, should they enter our space, they will be shot on sight. if TRI proves themselves in this conflict, and so wish, we may consider NAP at a latter date, but TRI have ALOT to prove to FLA before we consider them "Friends" (politically, i have quite a few personal friends in TRI already, they are nice guys, and always a good fight) Excuse me? why the hell would we want to prove ourselves to you? Some FLA i like but your ridiculous patronising post is not going to help any relation with us. We dont want to be your friends. You have to prove yourself to us if you want to be. your taking prove in the wrong context I think, I could be wrong, Ive been wrong before __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Tarphon Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 30/01/2007 11:51:19 Originally by: Nikerym Selugion Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 30/01/2007 03:50:37 FLA Has not NAP'ed TRI, we have set them to neutral and in accordance with FLA policy, it means that we will now not ACTIVLY pursue them, however, should they enter our space, they will be shot on sight. if TRI proves themselves in this conflict, and so wish, we may consider NAP at a latter date, but TRI have ALOT to prove to FLA before we consider them "Friends" (politically, i have quite a few personal friends in TRI already, they are nice guys, and always a good fight) Excuse me? why the hell would we want to prove ourselves to you? Some FLA i like but your ridiculous patronising post is not going to help any relation with us. We dont want to be your friends. You have to prove yourself to us if you want to be. your taking prove in the wrong context I think, I could be wrong, Ive been wrong before Perhaps, but if thats true he really needs to choose words more carefully.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Darknesss Are you trying to go back to -10? Its been a while since I seen you guys on my overview, so I'm not sure if D2 have set standings yet I'll need to check that out soon before it all gets confusing. Don't you hate those red and blue gate camps, when you're not quite sure whether to shoot/run or shout in local
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Darknesss Are you trying to go back to -10? Its been a while since I seen you guys on my overview, so I'm not sure if D2 have set standings yet I'll need to check that out soon before it all gets confusing. Don't you hate those red and blue gate camps, when you're not quite sure whether to shoot/run or shout in local ya.. standings take ages to sort such a pain in the a**. My guys are isntructed not to shoot d2 but be careful around us, and us around you until they are set.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. These look like questions not opinions. Everyone is allowed to form opinons and ask questions. When you played a bit more you should look back on this post and cringe. Still you seem to have some great ideas on how to run an 0.0 alliance, i look forward to seeing it happen over the next few weeks as you take over Eve.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:13:00 - [55] If they're so weak-sauce, why aren't you conquering them, instead of writing boring long posts here? :P [OMG! SMASH!]
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:13:00 - [56] i actually enjoyed fighting TRI, because they bring nice sized gangs, sometimes we win and send them home, sometimes they pwn us whatever the outcome its always great fun, theres zero smacktalk, and they made me glad i trained my alt to fly the Curse ------------
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:58:00 - [57] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/01/2007 16:56:33 Originally by: Darknesss Perhaps, but if thats true he really needs to choose words more carefully. If I'm being honest, I've thought that myself about some posts by FLA members... hell, I've made the odd forum screw-up myself. This entire thread, in fact, is off the back of one guy running his mouth off and dropping a few ill-considered phrases here and there. It happens. Alas, what with all the gang posturing that takes place on this forum, it's impossible to make the slightest mistake around here without some party or another becoming aggrieved. People just don't seem willing to let things slide in here... ***
Apophis Omega Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Apophis Omega Edited by: Apophis Omega on 30/01/2007 04:52:32 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. FLA did not nap TRI (that must be who you are referring to). TRI has set the north blue until the BOB gangs stop coming up north. FLA made a specific post stating that TRI is at 0.0 and will go back to -10.0 when BOB stops sending roaming gangs over to them. If this was a true NAP FLA would have set them blue and have shared pie with them. This was meant to preserve each other so they can later shoot each other. That is not weak, that is following an old wise saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Or another classie "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" Those alliances have as much of a right in 0.0 as you have posting this topic which is flamebait. Natural selection will sort them out over time. Apop. you wanna know something? Your reply is pure crap First of all. If I have an alliance and some corp decides to hunt them, you think I am gonna lay down my guns cause MAYBE BOB is comming? No. I am gonna take the fight to the corp killing my members until either they or us are dead. And honestly, where does my post represent the corp that I am in? AXE Gang is not part of this post or any other post. Last time I checked, I can post freely. I am asking questions here. Dont like the questions, then take a hike and go troll somewhere else. Seriously, you people need to shake your head. If you get really offended by my post, oh noes. Go get in your ship, run your agent locate and come kill me. Otherwise **** off. 1. I did not mention your corp at all. Your reply is "pure crap" because it is full of lies. I never said anything about AXE gang having to do with this post, so don't even try to put words in my mouth. If you were by an chance referring to another poster, you should state that you are now aiming at someone else. 2. That is your choice to not do what they did, its a free game, and from where they are standing it was a wise move. They will hopefully resume shooting each other. 3. I am not trolling, if you got off your high horse and read what I typed, you will see I gave your "weak alliances in 0.0" an answer. That answer was natural selection (IE, a stronger alliance will come and take their space eventually, only the strongest survive). Everything you stated in your OP is a trait of an alliance that is weak and will eventually be taken out by a bigger and stronger alliance. 4. When I said flamebait, I was using your word from your OP. 5. Aren't you the same guy that came in our recruitment channel claiming to be mature? Recruiting Our website
Niskin Minmatar Blazing Angels Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:22:00 - [59] Simple answer to the original question: Survival of the fittest is the way of the sword, survival of the smartest is the way of politics. Both are needed to survive in this game, in 0.0 or otherwise. Only one alliance can be the best, the rest survive by not forcing the issue. Survival is goal number one, prosperity is goal number two. If you use both tools, combat and diplomacy, you stand a better chance of achieving both goals. All of the other questions stem from not understanding this answer and are therefore irrelevant. Pirates, the other white meat. Pirates, it's what's for dinner!
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 30/01/2007 17:23:51 who the hell is Sinnbad, AXE Gang, and where do they live? If you're going to be here mocking people while in some obscure corp you should at least introduce yourself. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Some Drivel And who are you to make such an assessment? _ Your sig is pwn - Eris
Tomsudy Minmatar BloodThirsters Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:54:00 - [62] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. You obviously don't understand this game. I would advise you to stfu and come back when you have more knowledege because this post is a piece of **** ________________________________________ THTA
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:46:00 - [63] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 30/01/2007 18:50:59 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem FLA IS WEAK SAUCE. Now what you gonna do? Hmmm. Maybe ask your little gate camp in 8S to come get me? So your expecting a whole alliance (or even a few members of one) to bother tracking you down and podding you over some forum smack? Honestly if you were half the bad ass you claim you are you would have already flown up there yourself and started putting some fight behind your trash talk instead of hurling insults from the comfort of the station. If your going to accuse an alliance of being weak you should at least A. At least have a general idea of how many systems they lay claim to and B. Have a killmail or two so you can at least pretend to be better than them I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why you think they should waste their time tracking down some random smacktard just cause he shot off his mouth on the forums like he had any idea what he was talking about. The simple fact that NOBODY, not even FLA's enemies, has come out in support of your position, should tell you that you got no idea what's going on; but I guess common sense is beyond people like you. -Caesar Edit: used wrong quote ----------------------------- Unless otherwise stated my opinions don't represent that of my corporation and/or alliance, but unless your retarded, that should go without saying
Hindgrinder Jr Minmatar Eve Game Card Co	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:53:00 - [64] Originally by: dastommy79 I cant tell you how much i enjoy reading such crap topics on the eve-o-forums. If u got something to say about FLA, come up to dek and i can show ya what we are about. WTB retarded Forum Topic blocker.... To enable the Retarded Forum Topic Blocker... Hold down ALT and Press F4 key. To the Op... /me points @ u and laughs. CH
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Titurius Sabinus	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:57:00 - [65] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. If someone shot my member I would: 1. Fall on the ground, roll around, cry like a little girl 2. Have someone take me to the hospital 3. Get out of hospital 4. Go look for the SOB who shot my member, cut his off, stick it up his rear, and sew up up. ------------------------------------- When the casual players go, the income will drop, and Eve will die. Simple as that. You childish gankers can't see past the end of your own noses
Dirtball Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:02:00 - [66] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. most of the people I know that would agree with this have already left the game after realizing this is how it works.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:24:00 - [67] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. If someone shot my member I would: 1. Fall on the ground, roll around, cry like a little girl 2. Have someone take me to the hospital 3. Get out of hospital 4. Go look for the SOB who shot my member, cut his off, stick it up his rear, and sew up up.
Cmdr Sy Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:26:00 - [68] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Because each and every one of those alliances is still better than the majority of EVE who seldom venture out of Empire. Perhaps you have isolated yourself from the real carebears for so long that you are comparing one end of the elite spectrum to another end, and so you wonder how the weaker side manages to cling on to their territories, or move around but persist. Well there's your answer, because you are casting your gaze no wider than the hard core of the community who in spite of setbacks are in 0.0 in the first place, overlooking the fact that most EVE players are even more than that. 0.0 space will continue to be full of weak alliances because the powerful ones do not have enough members to control it all, and the Empire space talent pool just about keeps pace with the manpower requirements to keep the status quo while seldom giving rise to any new powers. Logoffs
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:16:00 - [69] Some people, like, totally need some perspective. Tri are fun. We lubs Tri. This is a game, this "EVE", and its a PvP game. Tri give us good PvP. Without them, life would be boring. BoB are also fun. BoB brings PvP also. PvP, as has already been mentioned, is fun. Now the more complicated bit. We and Tri are old enemies. We both live in the north, and have been sparring partners for yonks. BoB (potentially) could end both of our fun in the north. So, we stop shooting each other for a while to focus on BoB, and when they've cleared off again, we can get back to the shooty shooty. We happily pew'd with them before, and we'll happily pew with them again after. What else? FLA don't hide in stations. Ask Tri, or BE, or even BoB. Whatever can be said about us, we always come out and charge into a fight. Are we Uber PvPers? No. Do we always win? Course not. Do we often have to rely on our numbers, compared to other's brute skill? Yup. But do we hide from the fights? Not a chance. And whats this about recruiting in only one timezone? I don't get that. In our corp, I am UK and have UK friends, a large chunk are other EU, a vast swathe are US, and then there a few straggling Aussies. Last I checked, the whole alliance was like that, and I've never heard of any sort of timezone restrictions on recruiting. Can't really say about 3, since I don't exactly monitor the daily playing times of FLA members. Alliance chat always seems packed enough though, and fleets always fill up pretty quick. Not sure what else you can ask from your members. -----------------------------------------------
Roh Gasgas Gallente Roll over and beep	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:48:00 - [70] OP is entirely right. However, FLA is by a long shot not the only weaksauce alliance in this game. Other entities such as Firmus Ixion (are slaves of BoB the best thing you can be?), Myriad Alliance (an alliance of more than 500 members who hide in a single station in a resource-less empire system all day, daring only to go out when there are no Privateers within 5 jumps. Which is, as the system is in Jita's close vicinity, never.) and UCC (i have no idea how an alliance with your member count and cowardish instincts got control over 0.0 space, good thing you no longer own it). And the two last mentioned alliances are seriously planning to build their own station within two months in 0.0! Allow me to laugh, please.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Patch86 Are we Uber PvPers? No. speak for yourself, in a few days i'll have one million skill points! ------------
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:04:00 - [72] The answers to your main questions are so painfully obvious... 1. People that dont like pvp go to 0.0 for profit, better ore, higher profit margin on mods. 2. Napping a corp/alliance is a great way to defend your corpies. Youll create a buffer zone, backup troops and possible very good friends. 3. Why wouldnt they live in 0.0...? seriously. If i had to choose between playing casual in empire or playing casual in 0.0... 0.0 is the way to go... 4. Their choice. You only need members acros all timezones if you have a large and widespread POS network to maintain and defend. Seriously how do you think an 0.0 alliance becomes an 0.0 alliance... Do you think ASCN got 3000 members before moving into 0.0? Do you think you need 3000 members to be succesfull in 0.0? do you think 0.0 is only and all about pvp? Seriously... buy a clue zephirz
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:05:00 - [73] ps. i want my 2 minutes back :/ zephirz
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Patch86 and then there a few straggling Aussies. Straggling? STRAGGLING? i think not.... there may be only a few of us be were in the lead baby! eat our outback dust!
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:30:00 - [75] Look, Sinnbad, Sugarplum. If you seriously think that the alliances holding space right now are all wusses, then you should try capturing space from them so they have to show their teeth. Honest is honest, FIX isn't always in the mood to fight, and against larger roaming gangs we sometimes lack enough willpower to be bothered with them. But the slightest sign of a capital ship or POS in our space that's not on our side, and we're all over it. I respect all other alliances in 0.0, because they have the logistics, guts, manpower and resources to be and stay in 0.0. Honestly, if you or your corporation thinks they are 'better' than the current alliances, I challenge you to take a station. Go for it, prove your point.
Marcus Quo Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. I should probably point out a few things here. 1. Though Sinnbad was a member of the Axe Gang when he posted this, he's been kicked due to starting forum drama, among other things. The opinions expressed by him are by NO MEANS thoes of the corp. 2. I'd agree that there's alliances in 00 that can't really hold space, but they tend to get kicked out on a regular basis. Alliances that have been around as long as FLA certainly don't deserve the title of weak sauce. As for alliances that do, go take a look at the history of Geminate. Most of the people who got kicked out of there had it happen for a reason. 3. I really wanna see Triumverate and Outbreak go 1 on 1 (not that they will, but it would be cool), so I fully support them helping out the north
lRoGuEl Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:20:00 - [77] Edited by: lRoGuEl on 30/01/2007 22:16:58 Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Questions 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. That is how politics works. Since i took history today, i am in a history mood so i will present some historical resemblances. In particular we were discussing WWII... In WWII, China was in a civil war of the nationalists against the communists. This had been an ongoing war for sometime. However, upon Japanese invasion, the two leaders of the political parties agreed to stop fighting one another in order to fight back the Japanese out of China. Had they continued to fight one another, not only would they have nothing left to fight over, but they themselves would most likely have been forced to surrender to the Japanese. Another example is that of the USSR. Stalin had been fought all the way back to Moscow by Germany. Although Stalin had many troops, he did not have the equipment to fight back the Germans. Despite the USSR being a communist country, which the US did not support at all, the US sent them supplies. However, having the USSR as an ally against Germany was a huge advantage. So, despite their differences, the US sent the USSR support to fight back Germany.
Freyya Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:26:00 - [78] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 30/01/2007 17:23:51 jippedyjack...AXE Gang,.... some obscure corp you hurt my feelings with that one no need to get personal.... what are we going to do tonight Marcus? the same thing we do every night Freyya, tonight.....we're going to take over the universe!! ZOINKS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------to be or not to be is not important in the world of EVE... To be the most you can become is...
Xenny Lee Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:28:00 - [79] Lets see... 1) Are you angry because your roaming gang jumped into a station system and ya saw 2 hulks and 3 ravens on scan dock up? Call em carebears, but living off pvp loot is really hard... 3-1, 6-1 ratios of kills dont even cut it less your lucky. Other then that the only thing that brings in money easily is T2 production... Anyone else has to carebear every now and again. 2) For one Ive been good friends with people Ive shot at or been shot at before... This is a game. For 2, if your choice was to A) Nap up someone or B) Move all your towers, assets and **** back to more secure space... Dreads can be fairly persuasive. Although I do agree that some NAP webs are getting 2 big to be healthy... 3) Very few of those, or if so they arent large enough to even matter. 4) Few alliances recruit strictly in a timezone, some corps do though and their are advantages logistically to doing so... If its not in your timezone why do you care if you cant join. Youd log on and their ops would be over, and log off and ops would be starting. Less you just want some 0.0 space to rat and mine on your own... Which is fairly hypoc... As for the rest... QQ more plz
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Roh Gasgas OP is entirely right. However, FLA is by a long shot not the only weaksauce alliance in this game. Other entities such as Firmus Ixion (are slaves of BoB the best thing you can be?), Myriad Alliance (an alliance of more than 500 members who hide in a single station in a resource-less empire system all day, daring only to go out when there are no Privateers within 5 jumps. Which is, as the system is in Jita's close vicinity, never.) and UCC (i have no idea how an alliance with your member count and cowardish instincts got control over 0.0 space, good thing you no longer own it). And the two last mentioned alliances are seriously planning to build their own station within two months in 0.0! Allow me to laugh, please. I feel the same way, but about people who don't post with their main.
Roh Gasgas Gallente Roll over and beep	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Herculite I feel the same way, but about people who don't post with their main. There may be several reasons why i don't post with my main; don't judge me on that. Judge the content of my posts. That seems to be quite hard to do for a lot of posters on the forums, though.
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Marcus Quo Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Disclaimer: I know that I am not as experienced as alot of people in EVE but I have played enough to form an opinion. Questions 1. Alliances in 0.0 who dislike PVP or hide in stations? Why are you in 0.0 ? 2. Alliances who NAP corps who shoot your members to save you from evil BOB or the local pirates. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously, if somebody shot my member I would shoot them back and have too. How alliances can not defend their members is beyond me. Seriously, WTF? 3. Alliances who are inactive and play a couple hours a day and live in 0.0. Good luck with that. Please never recruit me. 4. Alliances who only recruit a certain timezone? Do you really think this is such a smart policy? Talk about short sighted. Seriously, how long do you plan to hold space being such wusses? I direct this to all the whiner alliances? Bob is not the real threat in EVE. The real threat is your fear of PVP and desire to fill your wallets instead of fighting for survival. Probably why so many alliances fail in 0.0. Nuff said. I am not trying to insult anyone here. But honestly, I am scratching my head at all these pseudo PVP alliances who live in 0.0. Maybe I have already answered my own post. Maybe weak alliances are just alt alliances setup by more powerful alliances to pad their stats? Seriously, ppl cant be so silly to think that without cap ships they can defend their POSes or Stations can they? Not sure how long this thread will survive. Maybe ppl will just discard this thread as flame bait. But seriously, alliances like FLA that run around napping guys who were pod killing their members make me wonder. I should probably point out a few things here. 1. Though Sinnbad was a member of the Axe Gang when he posted this, he's been kicked due to starting forum drama, among other things. The opinions expressed by him are by NO MEANS thoes of the corp. 2. I'd agree that there's alliances in 00 that can't really hold space, but they tend to get kicked out on a regular basis. Alliances that have been around as long as FLA certainly don't deserve the title of weak sauce. As for alliances that do, go take a look at the history of Geminate. Most of the people who got kicked out of there had it happen for a reason. 3. I really wanna see Triumverate and Outbreak go 1 on 1 (not that they will, but it would be cool), so I fully support them helping out the north Kicking me for a form post is rather pathetic but hey your the boss. Have fun with your new alliance.
Mav McKinnly Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:10:00 - [83] Technically, we're kicking you for being a douche bag.
Asylum Seaker Minmatar RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:48:00 - [84] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Seriously, if somebody shot my member... Seriously, WTF? ...Seriously, how long do you plan to... Seriously, ppl cant be so silly... But seriously, alliances like FLA... Is this guy SERIOUS???! Memento Mori.
Swanny231 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:08:00 - [85] We have a winner !!!!! You have just completed retarded forum poster LvL 5 ------------------------------
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:42:00 - [86] Originally by: Swanny231 We have a winner !!!!! You have just completed retarded forum poster LvL 5 Well, I asked some questions. Guess perhaps I hit a nerve with these questions. I would like to apologize to FLA for calling them Weak Sauce. Didnt quite think the term Weak Sauce would result in my career being ended in EVE. Considering how many pods I have killed. Didnt think asking questions in an alliance would cause such uproar. I have learned my lesson. Sorry. You may lock this thread. I have learned what I needed the hard way. boy, wonder what corp would take me now? to the biomass chamber!
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:08:00 - [87] Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem Originally by: Swanny231 We have a winner !!!!! You have just completed retarded forum poster LvL 5 Well, I asked some questions. Guess perhaps I hit a nerve with these questions. I would like to apologize to FLA for calling them Weak Sauce. Didnt quite think the term Weak Sauce would result in my career being ended in EVE. Considering how many pods I have killed. Didnt think asking questions in an alliance would cause such uproar. I have learned my lesson. Sorry. You may lock this thread. I have learned what I needed the hard way. boy, wonder what corp would take me now? to the biomass chamber! No no, the questions were fine, it was pureley that “...like FLA” comment that landed you in all this. Ya have to understand that when you post on this section of the forum, you are doing two things, 1. your representing both your corp and (if applicable) your alliance, and 2. any comments you make regarding other corps or alliances will be responded to. Weather you intended it or not those two little words were taken as a public attack on FLA, if someone else came here and said the same about your corp, would you not defend there honour?, in fact I myself did have a little dig at Axe Gang in one of my replies just to see if you would take the bait and show a little hypocrisy, kudos for not failing for it. Another little thing you got wrong was posting your assumptions which were based on incorrect info, and you know what they say about assumptions... To be fair though – despite those mistakes I don’t see why you should have been kicked from your corp for a mere forum post, true you neglected to remember that anything you say here Can (but not necessarily Should) be taken as voicing the views of your corp or alliance, and that can always do damage particularly if its out of step with what your leaders believe... Still, does seem a little extreme to me, perhaps it just shows who your real friends are. Mistakes were made, but biomass is a little extreme, go find a group of peeps who you can fit in with that won’t kick you for one little error, then wardec FLA and come see who we really are. -
Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:31:00 - [88] Actually he was kicked for other issues as well, this was the straw it appears. __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:05:00 - [89] He might be a douche, but at least he had enough balls to admit fault =) Just rethink your actions a bit and try to understand why you got removed from your corp. Take a step back and think about everything and then join another corp. Not everyone reads the forums here and most don't care about what you write here. Even if you where acting like a retard here that does not mean you can't find a good corp =) Because if that meant you can't find a good corp anymore then we would not have corps or alliances anymore, because most people have acted like retards on the forums before in one or the other way =) (except me ofc) --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:19:00 - [90] O.k this thread has run its cource and the ops questions were answered, its now gone off topic. click. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


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