Everyone playing this game wants to have an enjoyable experience and will choose the level of risk they are willing to take while playing. Ganking lone miners in Hi-Sec makes their experience less enjoyable by imposing unreasonable expenses that on one else playing has to incur.

Why does CCP condone and encourage this activity?

@ISD pls lock this repetitive tear thread

In order to achieve this, the security status of an individual caught ganking in Hi-Sec is set immediately and permanently to yellow/suspect. A second offence get's them permanently flagged red/criminal to be killed on first contact within the region where they committed the offense.

Use a Venture next time.

My biggest argument is that the cost of replacing a fully rigged and loaded Hulk isn't insignificant, not to mention having to replace your Implants because the gankers can't be satisfied with destroying just your ship.

Crazy stuff.

I don't understand, it's a game. You got pantsed by somebody. Instead of plotting revenge and vowing to do better the next time around you lobby mommy for a rule change? I just don't get it, it's sad.

CCP don't encourage it, in fact they've made several nerfs to it over the years to make it more difficult.

You'd think they would encourage it though, seeing as players who are ganked in highsec are more likely to stay subbed to the game.

Edit: Just saw your lossmail, ouch! I'm sure you won't make that mistake again.

I've been playing EVE for several years and the one thing I can't wrap my head around is why it's ok and even encouraged to gank Hi-Sec solo miners. There's the ever-popular Hulkageddon not to mention several corps dedicated to just that.

Outright lawlessness is allowed in low and null sec. Why can't we keep these activities there?

Folks mine in Hi-Sec believing it to be safer than low or null. It should be.

My biggest argument is that the cost of replacing a fully rigged and loaded Hulk isn't insignificant, not to mention having to replace your Implants because the gankers can't be satisfied with destroying just your ship. Insurance only pays for the ship and there is none for the Implants, the cost of which can be nearly a billion for a good set. I still have to buy or make the rigs and modules that I am unable to recover from my wreck. The cost of replacing the gankers' ships (usually nothing more than destroyers because Concord is going to kill, but not pod, them) is significantly less. I can afford to replace that ship only as long as I have isk. ISK isn't unlimited. Eventually it, too, runs out.

Why does CCP condone and encourage this activity?

The only reason I've heard is that there is a scourge of 'AFK Miners.' Miners who utilize BOT Programs, or, for whatever reason, are AFK while mining. If that's true then find a way to detect those miners using software and deal with them without ruining the experience for those players who are working to advance in the game.

As far as the gankers that participate in these activities, as I said lawlessness is allowed, encouraged, and highly rewarded in low and null sec, however, should be discouraged in hi-sec. The cost of replacing the gankers equipment will never as high as the solo miner. The cost to their future in hi-sec should, therefore, be extreme.

Hi-Sec ganking of miners needs to be punished in such a way as to make it immediately undesirable and quickly impossible to participate in.

In order to achieve this, the security status of an individual caught ganking in Hi-Sec is set immediately and permanently to yellow/suspect. A second offence get's them permanently flagged red/criminal to be killed on first contact within the region where they committed the offense.

Everyone playing this game wants to have an enjoyable experience and will choose the level of risk they are willing to take while playing. Ganking lone miners in Hi-Sec makes their experience less enjoyable by imposing unreasonable expenses that on one else playing has to incur.

In regard to the link. MY only issue with it is the time frame for the test. 15 days is too short. As if you KNOW what your doing it takes what like 9 days or so to just sit in a barge of any sort let alone an exhumer which is another month. So sure the metric holds for sub 15 days but Id say that those who have stayed in game for above 30 days to about the 3 month period should be looked at. Particularly using the metrics of time in barge/exhumer hulls as a majority function of play time as another limiting metric.

But anyway for me its not a big deal I just think using it as a metric or example in this case is ill founded mostly due to the low player age relative to the profession of mining as a whole.


Now THAT being said...



Yeah OP nothings safe in this game. Get used to it or I must say there is the door. Some do, some dont. Its a personal choice we all have to make in almost every profession and area of the game.

In regard to the link. MY only issue with it is the time frame for the test. 15 days is too short. As if you KNOW what your doing it takes what like 9 days or so to just sit in a barge of any sort let alone an exhumer which is another month. So sure the metric holds for sub 15 days but Id say that those who have stayed in game for above 30 days to about the 3 month period should be looked at.

As a business owner telling any new customer "if you dont like it theres the door" has to be the dumbest thing anyone can do.

There is nothing stopping me from shooting you in any security space I want too. In HS, CONCORD will respond unless it is under a war dec or you do something to go suspect.

The game has always been this way, deal with it.

if they're not afk how did they get ganked hmm?