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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26852	Posted - 2016.02.07 07:07:16 - [1] - Quote Michel Petit wrote: Outright lawlessness is allowed in low and null sec. Why can't we keep these activities there? Because it is also allowed in highsec and there is no reason why it shouldn't be. The only difference is that in highsec, aggression comes at a cost GÇö indeed, that's the the defining characteristic of highsec. Lawlessness is also what creates the critically needed risk in highsec, and it is what is supposed to balance out the ridiculous earning potential that highsec has to offer. It doesn't really succeed in doing so, but that's a slightly different matter. Quote: Folks mine in Hi-Sec believing it to be safer than low or null. It should be. GÇªand it is. You are just confusing GÇ£safer for GÇ£safeGÇ¥. You are probably also labouring under the false assumption that safety is something you are given, not something you create. The way highsec works, you are essentially making a bet that people's miserliness will be enough to keep them from blowing you up on sight. While this wager pays out most of the time, there are no guarantees, and there are quite a few ways in which you can stack the deck against yourself (e.g. the classic loot pi+¦ata, where you ensure that it makes more economical sense to attack you than not). Being AFK or otherwise unprepared is another way to stack the deck against yourself, so if the odds are suddenly leaning more towards a loss, then that's exactly how it should be. The smart thing to do is obviously to stop playing into the opponents hand. Quote: Why does CCP condone and encourage this activity? Because wanton destruction and non-consentual PvP is a cornerstone of the game. You can never escape it. It's inherent in the multiplayer sandbox concept and CCP has worked very hard to ensure that this concept is fully at play through every aspect of the game, including the part where you fly around in highsec. This is perhaps another point of confusion if you come at it from a single-player offline perspective and assume that nothing will change once your sandbox is online and includes other people. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you can do what you want; it means everyone can do what they want, and that includes doing stuff to you that you don't want them to do. Consequently. EVE is a PvP game through and through: it is a constant struggle of wills GÇö do you get what you want, or do they get what they want? For you to get your way, you have to force your will on others and actively make it so that they don't get theirs. You are not entitled to success in this competition, the way most SP sandboxes are stacked in your favour; you are only entitled to participate and to try to be better than the other guy. CCP condones ganking because they have worked long and hard to build and maintain a game that allows for exactly that kind of conflict. And again, the only thing that sets highsec apart from other areas of the game is that competition in the form of aggression comes at a material cost. Quote: Hi-Sec ganking of miners needs to be punished in such a way as to make it immediately undesirable and quickly impossible to participate in. No, it doesn't because that would go completely against the design principles of the game and the purpose of highsec. The only way for it to make sense was if the exact same thing were true for the mining: completely undesirable and impossible to participate in. There's a very important parity at play here: since you are free to go about your business, they must also be free to go about theirs, otherwise the sandbox is broken on a fundamental level. Where your two business collide and work at cross-purpose is where you have to start being smarter than the opposition to win. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26854	Posted - 2016.02.07 09:46:43 - [2] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: [devil's advocate hat] Tippa wrote: There's a very important parity at play here: since you are free to go about your business, they must also be free to go about theirs, otherwise the sandbox is broken on a fundamental level. Where your two business collide and work at cross-purpose is where you have to start being smarter than the opposition to win. B-but Tippa... If what other people do negatively affects what I do without my consent, I have to do things I do not want to do... which means I am doing what others want me to do. Therefore, I cannot do what I want to do. What is the point of a "sandbox" if I cannot do what I want to do? [/devil's advocate hat] Not quite. There is a very distinct and important gap between those two things: doing stuff you maybe do not want to do (but which gives you freedom to pursue your goals) and doing things others want you to do (because it's their goal). Gankers don't want you to take active measures to avoid ganking GÇö they want you to fill your cargo with loot, sit still, and be a nice target. The means to achieve your goal are distinct from the goal itself. The point of a GÇ£sandboxGÇ¥ in a multiplayer setting is that you cannot sensibly assume that your goals are freely, or even trivially, attained. You can do what you want; you just have to work to get there. If you are not willing to do that work, you will not achieve your goal. If the road to success is simply unacceptable for one reason or another, you need to pick a different goal. If the basic concept of working for your success is itself unacceptable GÇö if you refuse to compete against other players GÇö you probably need to pick a different genre than multiplayer sandbox. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26856	Posted - 2016.02.07 12:17:31 - [3] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: last paragraph describes null perfectly. GÇªaside from the complete safety and having to be at your computer most of the time. As the long tradition of AFK piloting (and the shock on the exceedingly rare occasions when it has bad consequences) in highsec shows, it's more a description of that part of space than anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26856	Posted - 2016.02.07 12:29:20 - [4] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: sorry but I spent plenty of time GÇªlying. And yes, you should be sorry about that. Regardless, the fact remains: in highsec, AFK has become so safe and mundane that it has become a widely adopted way of GÇ¥playingGÇ¥ the game, to the point where people express shock and complete incredulity, and create non-stop whine threads, every time it doesn't pan out as they (foolishly) expected. Quote: made around 20 billion for two deaths So near-infinitely more perilous than in highsec then. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26860	Posted - 2016.02.07 12:55:33 - [5] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: All safety-free unlike ganking. That's because safeties weren't implemented until a few years ago. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26868	Posted - 2016.02.07 19:19:37 - [6] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: Have been going around the Forums and came across the post above... - this is something I have always felt... That post and reading CCP Falcon's extremist views on gameplay have convinced me to quit... I'll check back every now and then to see if they fix HISEC the right way.. Have fun.. Your stuff GåÆ my hangar. Stat. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26873	Posted - 2016.02.07 19:54:41 - [7] - Quote Bella Jennie wrote: nah.. and I got a lotta stuff! just cancelled all my accounts and it feels so good! SoGÇª Your stuff GåÆ my hangar. Stat. I mean, you explicitly said that you're not coming back, so it's not as if you're going to miss it. At least I can put the stuff to good use. Quote: and hey, if they fix HISEC, I may come back.. Since they have no intention to ever break highsec the way you want, you won't be coming back. Hence why you should hand over your stuff. Your stated reason for quitting is just incoherent nonsense anyway, so it's not like anyone at CCP will see you as anything but a lost cause. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26877	Posted - 2016.02.07 21:17:34 - [8] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Tippia. You of all forum posters should know. ALL stuffz of people rage quitting belong to UaE. Pff. Greedy <-bleeep->. Leave some for the rest of us. =ƒÿñ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26892	Posted - 2016.02.08 05:19:28 - [9] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Falcons opinion is terribad. Reeks of bias and ignorance of the mechanics of ganking. I read "work" and "effort" in his sentence about ganking I lolled. either he doesnt play EvE or he plays too much EvE. How is it terribad that he explains a core design principle of the game GÇö one that has been in place from the very start? What mechanics is he ignorant of? Infinity Ziona wrote: The original EvE subscribers such as myself are the reason EvE exists. We signed to an EvE that was harsh abd relatively balanced. So why are you so adamant that it be made unbalanced and safe? Why do you constantly argue against the original design of the game? Why do you keep wanting to make it easy and risk-free? Quote: the reason pcu is low is because we have wow stained devs directing devepment instead of eve devs. Do you have any examples of this? And if that's the mechanism behind the PCU, why are you arguing in the exact opposite direction GÇö for more WoWification? Why do you want the numbers to be become even lower? How did it take more effort and risk to gank at a time when ships were more fragile and when the punishments were minimal to non-existent? I know you're just lying about this because that what you always do, but you could you at least explain the insane and twisted logic behind your lie? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26894	Posted - 2016.02.08 06:46:53 - [10] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: feeling threatened by my reasoned analysis? What reasoned analysis? Your entire argument is a tangle of contradictions and history revisionism and you have offered no logic to tie your conclusions together with your incorrect rendition of history. Quote: all my predictions came to pass and my claims proved correct. What predictions? The only ones I can see are that you think a harsher environment will bring back the crowd, but then you go on to suggest that the game be made less harsh. You keep claiming that things were better back when highsec was pretty much a free-for-all, but then you turn right around and suggest that the devs should move away from that. How does any of what you lie about make any sense whatsoever?! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26896	Posted - 2016.02.08 11:49:18 - [11] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: My dog died. Harley got repossessed. Also haved licked a window or two in my life. GÇªand you still haven't quit in spite of promising to do so many times over. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26896	Posted - 2016.02.08 12:00:01 - [12] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: I did quit. now im back. So you didn't actually quit. Yet another lie on your part. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26896	Posted - 2016.02.08 12:13:09 - [13] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: no i quit quitting. So you didn't actually quit. Yet another lie on your part. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26896	Posted - 2016.02.08 12:25:59 - [14] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: look up logical paradox. Your lying is not paradoxical, only constant. Quote: also way off topic Of course. That's where you always run off to when things aren't going your way. Would you like to answer the many questions raised instead? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.

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