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Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:23:00 - [1] There have been a few threads concerning one quantity or ore being sold as millions and how to spot it etc but what about buying ships or other items? What's to look out for? I almost bought a ship via free form contract but got cold feet and preferred to loose a good bargain than be ripped off. The description looked fine when examining it, the location was ok and although I could see nothing wrong (I was only buying one ship by the way) the Toon selling it was less than two weeks old and for a shade under a billion I decided not to. The Toon being so young was not in itself the problem, I just had a bad feeling about the whole thing. Oh, and yes, I know ripping people off is allowed in the game mechanics Now I may well have been over reacting but as I said at the beginning is there anything else you should look out for when attempting a purchase of this kind? Is free form the right contact for a sale like this? Any tips would be appreciated as although my Toon is quite old, and contracts have been around for a while, this was the first time I was about to use them The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:30:00 - [2] Originally by: Mallikanth There have been a few threads concerning one quantity or ore being sold as millions and how to spot it etc but what about buying ships or other items? What's to look out for? I almost bought a ship via free form contract but got cold feet and preferred to loose a good bargain than be ripped off. The description looked fine when examining it, the location was ok and although I could see nothing wrong (I was only buying one ship by the way) the Toon selling it was less than two weeks old and for a shade under a billion I decided not to. The Toon being so young was not in itself the problem, I just had a bad feeling about the whole thing. Oh, and yes, I know ripping people off is allowed in the game mechanics Now I may well have been over reacting but as I said at the beginning is there anything else you should look out for when attempting a purchase of this kind? Is free form the right contact for a sale like this? Any tips would be appreciated as although my Toon is quite old, and contracts have been around for a while, this was the first time I was about to use them I dont even browse freeform to be honest. Even if all the information you get about a particular object, placement of retrieval looks ok etc. the seller can decide wether or not to give out the mentioned object after payment have been done. I dont do deals unless the game enforces it. Like in Market or on auction. I dont trust anyone. It is as simple as that. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker the seller can decide wether or not to give out the mentioned object after payment have been done. Ah You see, I didn't know that. Thanks. Makes me sooo glad I turned it down. The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:38:00 - [4] It was a freeform contract. That means it was a scam. Don't accept freeform people!!!
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 31/01/2007 07:42:14 Never ever trust a freeform contract!!! Just don't use them. If it's freeform and not someone you know then it's guaranteed to be a scam. No question about it. They might as well called them "Scamtracts". Also, scrutinize other types carefully. Sometimes scammers enter 1 unit of something like tritanium then give it a description like "400 Million Units of Tritanium". Never trust the description in and of itself. --- Fixed. Sorry Devil.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Kumu Honua It was a freeform contract. That means it was a scam. Don't accept freeform people!!! What he said. ALL freeform contracts (apart from ones between friends/relatives/corpmates/your own alts) are scams. There's simply no other reason to use freeform tbh. Always remember the golden rule too: If it looks too good to be true it probably is. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:47:00 - [7] Thanks for the advise folks. To finish off the brief sage of my one and only use of contracts so far... I very quickly jumped to the system the seller had allegedly got the ship stored. I didn't quite get to the station in time when I had an eve mail telling me she was no longer in the system and couldn't trade with me in station. Yeah right. The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Hennry Fromer Gallente TRSG Research	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:06:00 - [8] Now if only CCP would get around to enhancing the "not issued by " to use a list so we could add known scammers. They would then have the penalty of having any legitimate contracts blocked. These views are not reflective of the viwes of my corp or corpmates . . . If I have failed to take my medication today they probablly aren't my views either.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:36:00 - [9] Edited by: Del369 on 31/01/2007 11:33:29 It's actually quite simple, CCP think theft and general sociopathic behaviour is all cool and y and yarry and stuff, it's all like Jonny Depp dude, and they seem so stuck in this lop sided no brainer vision of crime that they intentionally add or remove game mechanics to actually make it all possible (no number 1 on contracts and the ability to have the players description right up top) because like all players especially new players are telepathic right ? and they all know the rules, and if they don't thats their fault innit CCP What they miss in their one sided blocked by Jonny Depp's eye patch view is that irl crime has a balance, it's called punishment, except in this game, there is no punishment for crime, none at all. but thats cool cos it's all like y and yarry and cool innit I mean they have the "Crime and Punishment Forums" kinda oxymoron if your looking for said punishment mind. Still keeps the Sociopaths happy, and thats what counts innit CCP Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Torhas Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Apocryphai Always remember the golden rule too: If it looks too good to be true it probably is. Nonsense, I found a Vigilant on auction w/ a 30mil buyout the other day. Sanguine public channel: Khanidblood

Kappas. Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:44:00 - [11] That 1 unit of mineral bug/feature thing has been changed, and now shows as, say "Zydrine x 1" in the "what you get" bit rather than scammers using the description
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Kappas. That 1 unit of mineral bug/feature thing has been changed, and now shows as, say "Zydrine x 1" in the "what you get" bit rather than scammers using the description yea, but the fact that little gem was ever even an issue says far more than any words ever could eh I'm all for having a system people can exploit and rip everyone off, if it has a balance to it, some form of possible justice, and recompense, and the actual (gasp) possibility of little sociopathic Jonny losing as much as he could have gained and being accountable for his actions, but that it seems needs an Adv Rocket Science L5 to figure out, and the Dev's don't seem to have started that skill yet Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
BluOrange Gallente New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:56:00 - [13] 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.)
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:05:00 - [14] Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit All they have to do is be really careful, which i know is pretty hard if you come from games like WoW but yeah... it's their own fault. P.S. Stop stealing my sig. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Isyel Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit All they have to do is be really careful, which i know is pretty hard if you come from games like WoW but yeah... it's their own fault. P.S. Stop stealing my sig. It's my sig and no it's not their fault, it would be if the system was idiot proof, but the system far from being idiot proof is written to protect sociopathic little Jonny Toerag, with none of the checks and balances said little toerag would face for wanting to take that which is not his, and it really ain't rocket science, unless your a CCP Dev that is They (seemingly) intentionally code in the ability to be a bastard, but irl bastards get to pay, it's a part of life that makes things sweet, watching said bastards get theirs always feels good, and they should get to pay in game as well, and it should be sweet for the majority to watch them get well and truely f'kd because they are slimy little toerags Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
BluOrange Gallente New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit Having lost a couple of thousand dollars to a scam IRL, I rather wish I'd had the painful learning experience using ISK, actually.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:10:00 - [18] Originally by: BluOrange Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit Having lost a couple of thousand dollars to a scam IRL, I rather wish I'd had the painful learning experience using ISK, actually. yes but the point is, at least you have the comfort of knowing that irl your scammer faces the possibility if not now, then at some point in his miserable existance, of deciding which dress to put on for Bubba and his other 600 new boyfriends that night (ie prison) what consequences does a scammer face in this game ? thats right absolutely NONE, something missing there no ? Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
BluOrange Gallente New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:28:00 - [19] I want a game where business can be done in cut-throat, manipulative ways. Because I want to learn how to survive as an honest businessman in a cut-throat, manipulative, dangerous environment. The safer EVE becomes, the less useful it becomes as a training tool. Every time you get screwed over in EVE is a time when you're less likely to get screwed over IRL; if you pay attention. I don't find revenge very satisfying - I'd much rather develop the skills and the strength so that people can't mess with me in the first place.
Maistro	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange Originally by: Del369 Originally by: BluOrange 1) If you're using contracts to buy something, then make sure the type is Item Transfer or Auction. Freeforms have some (very limited) legitimate uses, normal sale of an item is not one of them. 2) Read the confirmation screen after pressing 'accept' on an item transfer contract really carefully. It will tell you how many units of what items you're getting. 3) Be aware of the 'quantity scam', where people put one unit of something into a contract, then write a description that says '523132 Megacyte'. 4) Excercise extreme caution regarding up-front payments. 5) If buying a ship in an in-station trade, always bring up the 'show info' on the ship, just in case it's a different model of ship that has been renamed to the model you are expecting. (ESPECIALLY if you are buying a tech2 ship.) yea and these simple concepts are so easially understood by new players aren't they ? the fact they get ripped off is cos they're just all f'n idiots and n00bs innit Having lost a couple of thousand dollars to a scam IRL, I rather wish I'd had the painful learning experience using ISK, actually. yes but the point is, at least you have the comfort of knowing that irl your scammer faces the possibility if not now, then at some point in his miserable existance, of deciding which dress to put on for Bubba and his other 600 new boyfriends that night (ie prison) what consequences does a scammer face in this game ? thats right absolutely NONE, something missing there no ? I suppose you murdering him in game doesn't sound like a fitting punishment then? Or being placed on your corps blacklist? Injustice can fight injustice better than justice ever could.

Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:45:00 - [21] Edited by: Del369 on 31/01/2007 13:47:32 How can you murder an alt whose been deleted when the jobs done ? or even a character thats been either deleted or traded to another happless victim of groovy crime with no punishment ? Blu i like the idea of the game you envision to, but leaving 50% (any form of punishment) out of the equation completely, hardly gives you a basis to make any RL judgment calls on does it ? Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
BluOrange Gallente New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:38:00 - [22] You've got a point there, Del. EVE needs a frustrating legal system that is carefully designed to minimise the liability of scammers, while leaving those who don't prepare for a legal battle (because they didn't think it would be needed) utterly defenceless (Me, bitter because I lost in court? NEVER!)
Dannek Llama F5 and Associates	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:20:00 - [23] Rep system for contracts plzkthx? -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time.
AvatarADV	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:25:00 - [24] Normally I spend my time around Gallente space, and browse courier contracts when I'm killing time; every so often someone needs something moved a few jumps for a few hundred k, which isn't bad money for a new player. Today I was around Jita (gotta work on that Caldari rep, lest they start shooting at me, heh) and did the same. Two dozen contracts with huge payouts, "easy route!" in the description, destination numbered systems in 0.0, and 20mil+ deposits. Uh huh. REAL nice. You know, maybe it's just Jita. I'm not saying it's impossible to get scammed elsewhere, mind, but it seems every time I hear about someone getting scammed, that's where it happened...
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:26:00 - [25] Do not use freeform. There is no valid reason to use freeform. I just search for item exchanges if I'm looking to buy stuff. Galactic Express Recruitment Post


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