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Minerva Radisky	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:14:00 - [1] I'm a Caldari pilot, and was hoping to eventually go into PvP. While Missiles can work in some PvP situations, most of what I've read, heard, and seen for myself seems to point out guns as being better a majority of the time... However, it takes a LOT of skill training to reach that point where guns kick ass compared to missiles. Seeing as how Caldari have few gunboats and a majority of missile ships, I was thinking it might be worth it to eventually train skills to fly Gallente ships (This would mean I'd only ever need hybrid turret skills no matter which race's ships I fly... not to mention all my favorite ships in terms of looks are either Caldari or Gallente.) The training times don't seem so bad in the long run. Even with my current skills, I could get up to Gallente Cruisers level 5 in a little over a month, with almost no implants. Buying level 4 or 5 will and per implants could probably shave off a few days of training if I ever decide to specifically train some of those skills. Basically, I just wanted some opinions from people who've trained the skills to fly ships for more than one race. Are you glad you spent some time that could've went to getting a few more level 5 skills for gunnery or engineering into flying some brand new ships you've never touched before? Do you regret it? I was also curious about people who fly ships for races where they specialize in two different gun types. I liked Amarr ships, but the seemingly constant stream of complaints about Amarr being gimped and crappy compared to other races scared me away from the race and made me end up choosing Caldari. I'd like to one day fly Amarr ships, but the thought of training all new gunnery and tanking skills in addition to ship skills is a bit daunting.
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:18:00 - [2] I'm Caldari and I'm able to fly loads of different ships, but what do you think with 40m sp's ;)
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Lunadi on 31/01/2007 08:41:07 IMHO stick to one type of ships for a start. Training times at first are not that bad, the problem starts when you want to specialize and put your skills up to lvl 5. Soon you will realize that you need to train a lot of skills to lvl 5 to support different race setups. You will probably get to have at least 30-40% more skill points to get equally proficient in a few races ships (at least double your skills with ships, tanking, guns, maybe drones). And that may be a lot when you hit 20m sp. -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE!
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:06:00 - [4] fly caldari/gallente here. Works like a charm.
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:10:00 - [5] I fly Caldari/Gallante. The gunnery skills are nice and transferrable, the only seperate skills you need to train are for tanking (and for fleet pvp it's not like there's much point tanking anyway).
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:10:00 - [6] TBH, with 2-3 weeks of gun training, you will be beating out missile dmg easy mirel yirrin > "DU HAST VERBROKEN DAS FORUMERN RULEN! DU SWINE!"
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:11:00 - [7] can fly gallente/caldari (tho i have most SP in gallente) soon training other race ships i want. i dont flyy train a race (like get all the guns and ships9, but only train for a ship i want in one race. like lets take gallente atm... i want to fly theyr hacs and t2 BCs, so i trained em. i wanted to fly caldari BSs, so i trained for them and trained up about 1 mil sp in missiles to be some effect. now i want a curse ... so im training for that :) i train for ships.. i dont train for the RACE. Great being Gallente... aint it ?
Taran Blake De Re Metallica	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Taran Blake on 31/01/2007 09:14:44 I can fly Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar to a decent level, though my skill specialisations are with Caldari ... and even a lot of those skills transfer pretty well to Gallente ships and I learned to fly Minmatar prior to the release of the Rokh just so i could fly the Machariel
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Stitcher on 31/01/2007 09:31:38 I'm caldari, with about 12 million skill points. I can fly, and fly WELL: Amarrian, Caldari and Minmatar tech 2 frigates Amarrian tech 2 cruisers Amarrian and Caldari battleships. I can fit tech 2 armour tanks AND tech 2 shield tanks, not to mentiona variety of tech 2 gear from other walks, such as MWDs, weapon upgrades, and guns. My lack of skill focus means that I'm not really as overwhelmingly powerful at any one facet of EVE as I could be, but I am versatile and capable of adapting to nearly any situation. I'm poorly optimised, my ship choices are basically summed up as "whatever seems the best idea at the time", and I'm still pretty heavily dependant on tech 1 modules in many areas (hybrid weapons, for example). I engage in PvP damn near every night nowadays. sometimes I suck, sometimes I rule. I most definitely would not have it any other way. ***
Miri Tirzan Caldari Clan Korval	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:52:00 - [10] 61+ million SP and I fly Caldari/Amarr at BS 5 and Gal at BS 3. Got less that 500k in missiles and 15.6 million SP in gunnery and drones. In the beginning specialize but after that deversify. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Miri Tirzan 61+ million SP and I fly Caldari/Amarr at BS 5 and Gal at BS 3. Got less that 500k in missiles and 15.6 million SP in gunnery and drones. In the beginning specialize but after that deversify. 42+ sp. same here .. first gallente/ caldari .. after spec i went to minnie and ammar currently finishing off minnie spec. up mostly to at least command ships all races. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:12:00 - [12] 41mil sp here. specialized in T2 frigs, interdictors, T2 med and small guns, lvl4 BS and L guns, drones, Ewar, whatev. finishing skilling up rig skills up to lvl4, to start to put the probing skills to lvl4, and then go for specializing in cruisers. ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Sadao Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:40:00 - [13] I fly all races up to BS. I only have minnie guns to tech 2, good missile and drone skills. Many ships such as amarr and gallente dont have gun damage bonus's. They have cap reduction for thier races guns or drones bonus's. So my minnie guns fit right on there perfectly as do missiles and drones This makes me very versatile and I certainly dont feel gimped. I am now starting to use some ships more than others and so obviously trying to "perfect" them but I like that wherever I am in the universe I can jump into any ship and am still very effective.
Jurushy SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:42:00 - [14] i have 51mil and i can fly minmatar and caldarie capships ------ REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD Old Klingon prover
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:44:00 - [15] as you can see, it's quite a luxury... i'd suggest to keep skilling the "global" skills first along with one race, for maybe... a year? shrug. later on, it doesn't take as long since T2 spaceship commands are not race specific, for exampe - all you need is frig V and/or cruiser V - plus weapon skills =(
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:51:00 - [16] Caldari/Gallente and a whee bit of Amarr In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
marioman Caldari Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:55:00 - [17] I specialize in caldari and gallente also, both races frig, cruiser, and BS 5, can use t2 large guns (but not large t2 missiles, can use t2 anything below torps tho) The Gal/Cal combo is probably the EASIEST to train for as the whopper is getting t2 guns, since both races use hybrids, (some gal ships also have slots for missiles), and drones...the only thing you really have to train for other than guns will be armor tanking skills, and train up some drones skills to be better at them (not sure how much u use drones in caldari ships, but they are nice to have handy for any race really)
schurem Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:30:00 - [18] I can fly everything up to battlecruisers, and went on to battleships in both gallente and minmatar. Specialisation is for insects. However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds. <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free* Or Die Trying* >>>>
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 31/01/2007 11:45:55 Dont cross train when your primary race isn't up to scratch yet. For better or worse get good in one race before starting another. Rod here started with training everything gallente, then crossed over to caldari for a bit (luckily stopped that pretty quickly), and now flies everything gallente, everything up to cruiser in minmatar as well as some specific amarr ships and all tech1 caldari crap. My other char started caldari, trained up everything missile related. Trained up everything in EW. Then trained up gunnery skills, and finally trained up minmatar ship and gunnery skills. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Jaggeh Salvage Team And Rig Suppliers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:44:00 - [20] i like all the shuttles --------------------------------------- Carpe Pugya Pyga - Seize the Buttocks
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Jaggeh i like all the shuttles I can fly ibis, impairor, reaper and velator :P
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:57:00 - [22] 16m skillpoints after 14 months - I fly Gallente, but learning to fly a Raven for 0.0 ratting was a great decision and only took about 3 weeks. I also like Minmatar ships but don't have quite the same level of skill there.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:57:00 - [23] I'm Amarr but I mostly fly a Raven. Except when I'm using my Punisher or Sigil. Oh and 12 months ago it was an Apoc. A large number of people fly ships of different races although I bet most of the 'crossflying' is Amarrians trying to find a decent ship More seriously I'd suggest that most people stick to their own race until they are comfortable in a battlecruiser and then think about branching out. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:11:00 - [24] think i might have somewhat of an odd spec in character but for me it works out great: for 1 character i have specialized in Gallente and Amarr. might strike u as odd maybe but those two races match rather good. the char is very specialized for gallente carrier. hence i have very good drone skills and amarr has some nice drone boats so i got amarr cruiser 5. amarr and gallente also have armor tanking making my skills usefull for both. my other char is spec in caldari and minnie. started as a minnie char but i spec alot in missiles and shieldtanking. also skilled alot for speed. so it came natural that i skilled for caldari aswell. speed is good for inties and dictors, same type of tank. only drawback is that i had to skill for both hybrid and proj. but my main focus is missiles. been playing this game since release and forp pvp your favorite ship is only as good as the last nerf patch. many says specilize in one ship type and stick to it.. i say stick to one tank and one damage type (turret,drone,missile) and fly what ccp nerfed you to fly.
Pabs Sco Caldari Ecosse Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Pabs Sco on 31/01/2007 12:31:30 I'm caldari and I fly both Caldari and Gallente.. Thing is ... I have more SP in gunnary than I do Missiles.. ------
Logi3 sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:43:00 - [26] I try to keep it to Caldari and Gallente. Thats what i've done. Its nice to beat people who have double the sp because they think "I have loads of SP = i win" No, you dont. Its all well and good having good gunnery skills etc. Dont neglect Engineering and Mechanics aswell as there important. Esp if your PvPing. Good thing about flying Gallente and Caldari is that they complement each others. Hybrids on both ships and both use missiles. Im more into Gallente myself. I have only trained Caldari Cruiser to 5. Yet Gallente has Frig, Cruiser and BS (few days from lvl 5) to 5.
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:57:00 - [27] I have around 7 mill sp and still find it possible to fly a range of ships. Although Gallente I decided early on that they were not for me and now mainly fly Caldari and Minnie. I can fly mostl non gallente ships in the game(only have gallente cruiser 2). I have tech 2 medium ac now and will have tech 2 heavy and cruise by the end of this mont. Fitting skills are reasonable and I can use at least partial tech 2 armour and shield tanks. Sure i would be more efficient had a specialised early. However by flying lots of ships I discovered which ones I enjoyed flying and have the option to pick the right ship for the job. Cheap pvp cruiser - arbitrator with ac, nos and t2 drones. Better pvp ship - hurricane or amarr/caldari AF. Missions/0.0 ratting - Raven or typhoon with cruises, can handle all lvl 3 and solo some levl 4s. For ratting pick a ship/race to kill the specific rats. In 0.0 it is nice to be able to fly a mix of ships as they one you want is not always available - especially true of haulers. When your corp needs stuff moved and the only ship nearby is a hoarder you will be glad of a a little minmatar cross training. Same when you wake up in the clone vat of a 0.0 station, itching to get back into the fight but find only 4 ships for sale. I would advide everyone to learn how to fly at least the frigates and some haulers for most races. Training demainds for this are not high - 4 frigate skills to lvl 3 and 4 industrial skills to 2-3 gives you almost all of these in around a week/ 10 days.
Ralara Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:22:00 - [28] Quote: Seeing as how Caldari have few gunboats and a majority of missile ships, Harpy (AF), Moa (cruiser), Ferox (BC), Merlin (FR), Rokh (BS), Raptor (CEPTOR), Cormorant (DEST) You have at least 1 of each class that uses blasters or rails :) I am a corp thief. Don't ever let me in your corp, else I'll rob you all.
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:27:00 - [29] All frigs/cruisers at 5, BC5, all gunnery specs, BSs at 4... I'm very much opposed to the idea that you have to specialize in this game until very much later on. If this is your first character, you really don't have that much of a clue as to what will be the most fun to fly, hell I didn't train Minmatar stuff for quite a while and now I love their stuff. Generalize at the start and see what you like to fly and shoot with, then specialize after you've tasted what's out there. ---
Minerva Radisky Caldari The Arcanum	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:14:00 - [30] Thanks for the replies everyone. :) I had always assumed that everyone just stuck to whatever race they liked best instead of branching out a little bit later on.

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