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Raketenkaese	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:11:00 - [1] The notion of having stuff in space like nebulas etc to make it more colorful and less boring shot itslef in the foot already at the stage of inception. Background story says something about eve space being located inside some immense dust region of space which basically is marketing blah blah to up the experince for the common crowd not versed with what space really looks like, with some graphical bling bling. b l a c k IS variety. word
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:21:00 - [2] Originally by: Raketenkaese The notion of having stuff in space like nebulas etc to make it more colorful and less boring shot itslef in the foot already at the stage of inception. Background story says something about eve space being located inside some immense dust region of space which basically is marketing blah blah to up the experince for the common crowd not versed with what space really looks like, with some graphical bling bling. b l a c k IS variety. word I cant say i dislike the current space with nebulas etc. But it would definitely be nice to have at least some systems or regions where the space is black with yellow stars etc in it. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
schurem Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:28:00 - [3] I live in a constellation that is a bright red and pink. Yes i'd love some truly black space. A bit of a nebula is ok, but not swimming around in a tank full of slightly diluted blood. However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds. <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free* Or Die Trying* >>>>
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:36:00 - [4] I actually had a dream like this lastnight. I dreamt that my brother was flying a freighter and I was escorting him in a frigate into 0.0 and it was very cool cos we were actually piloting the ships but 0.0 was really really dark, all black, and I couldn't see the docking port on the bottom of the station. Then we got blown up and it turned into World of Warcraft (sort of) and I had to fly on the back on an eagle to get my corpse. That chilli vodka before bedtime might not have been the best idea
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:42:00 - [5] /signed I would like it if there was a lot more black space in a great many of the sky boxes.
Darcha	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:47:00 - [6] Actually, space isn't black at all, it's just mostly comprised of dark matter. and not to get technical but black isn't a color at all, it's only the absence of light reflecting a color (ie you see it as black, but it isn't black at all, there's just no reflection receptable by our visual spectrum) lol sorry couldn't resist more ontopic, I think there's enough black space, but that could be because I live in one of the more dark regions of eve. Actually I think we could use some more objects in space with no meaning, and preferably sized as large as a dyson sphere (as large as earth's orbit around the sun) iow I would like space to be "filled up" a little more. ______________________________________ "There are NO bugs in EVE, just oversights" ----- Oveur and TomB, EvE fanfest 2006
Del ReyII Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:00:00 - [7] This happened to me when I was messing with the map while jumping, thought it was a cool enough shot. Linkage
Damien Smith Turbulent Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:58:00 - [8] I think the problem with the current backgrounds is that they give you the impression that you're flying around in a big ball shaped texture, which you are. You never get the sense of vastness and that you're flying through actual space. If some of the backgrounds were black then you'd have no point of reference to judge distance from so it'd look like you were just staring into empty space. It'd help the immersion loads. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:47:00 - [9] signed
Nero Scuro Caldari Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Del ReyII This happened to me when I was messing with the map while jumping, thought it was a cool enough shot. Linkage To quote a movie - OMG! It's full of stars! If only all of EVE were like that... ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:52:00 - [11] Originally by: schurem I live in a constellation that is a bright red and pink. Yes i'd love some truly black space. A bit of a nebula is ok, but not swimming around in a tank full of slightly diluted blood. WARNING: You're about to enter pink space?
LordReaper	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Unvisibility I actually had a dream like this lastnight. I dreamt that my brother was flying a freighter and I was escorting him in a frigate into 0.0 and it was very cool cos we were actually piloting the ships but 0.0 was really really dark, all black, and I couldn't see the docking port on the bottom of the station. Then we got blown up and it turned into World of Warcraft (sort of) and I had to fly on the back on an eagle to get my corpse. Get out more.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:27:00 - [13] Binary Systems? And what is with the Red Shift and Blue Shift when warping faster than light? If your sig is the best thing you've posted, stop posting.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:09:00 - [14] I'd love to see some more "black" backgrounds! Originally by: Empress Aphrodite ("don't flush it yet - let's freshen up the room a little")
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:13:00 - [15] Originally by: LordReaper Originally by: Unvisibility I actually had a dream like this lastnight. I dreamt that my brother was flying a freighter and I was escorting him in a frigate into 0.0 and it was very cool cos we were actually piloting the ships but 0.0 was really really dark, all black, and I couldn't see the docking port on the bottom of the station. Then we got blown up and it turned into World of Warcraft (sort of) and I had to fly on the back on an eagle to get my corpse. Get out more. You know the funny thing is I actually only play EVE for a couple of hours a week, and I haven't played WoW for over a year
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Darcha Actually, space isn't black at all, it's just mostly comprised of dark matter. and not to get technical but black isn't a color at all, it's only the absence of light reflecting a color (ie you see it as black, but it isn't black at all, there's just no reflection receptable by our visual spectrum) Even counting dark matter, the vast majority of the universe (99.9999999999999999%) is empty space. And black, by definition, is lack of a color (lack of reflected or emitted light). -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Kakk0 Warui	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:37:00 - [17] Ironically, there is reason space as we see it is black and not a big field of light caused by all the billions of stars. This is because there is a large quantity of dust between us and the emitted light. Science is useful, and fun!
Tatiana Valenko Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Darcha Actually, space isn't black at all, it's just mostly comprised of dark matter. and not to get technical but black isn't a color at all, it's only the absence of light reflecting a color (ie you see it as black, but it isn't black at all, there's just no reflection receptable by our visual spectrum) Even counting dark matter, the vast majority of the universe (99.9999999999999999%) is empty space. And black, by definition, is lack of a color (lack of reflected or emitted light). Actually space is filled with plasma and there is no such thing as dark matter. Dark matter was made up to make a failing theory (it isnt even a theory technically) work as it didnt work with what was being observed.
Zautechre Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:42:00 - [19] How about not having the stars all twinkle? I believe that this affect is caused by looking at the stars through atmosphere. If observed from space, most stars would shine with a constant brightness. I think the only exception would be variable stars. As for more just-black space, /signed
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:50:00 - [20] /Signed How about just the option to turn backgrounds off? Then you can have black when you want black. -AS
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Del ReyII This happened to me when I was messing with the map while jumping, thought it was a cool enough shot. Linkage That looks great IMO, very real space feel to it -AS
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:55:00 - [22] /signed I would utterly love to see some black space instead of the lightshows we have now.
reallyfit	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:57:00 - [23] We need some different back drops to the eve universe. It is the same background re coloured for every system. Come on CCP you can do better.
Will Basthard Todmacher	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:08:00 - [24] oh yes pleaseeee :)
Damien Smith Turbulent Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: Del ReyII This happened to me when I was messing with the map while jumping, thought it was a cool enough shot. Linkage To quote a movie - OMG! It's full of stars! If only all of EVE were like that... Exactly. That right there is made of win ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Saibotek	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Unvisibility That chilli vodka before bedtime might not have been the best idea My hero
NAP	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:10:00 - [27] RACIST TOPIC
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:14:00 - [28] Originally by: NAP RACIST TOPIC Troll alert. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Raketenkaese The notion of having stuff in space like nebulas etc to make it more colorful and less boring shot itslef in the foot already at the stage of inception. Background story says something about eve space being located inside some immense dust region of space which basically is marketing blah blah to up the experince for the common crowd not versed with what space really looks like, with some graphical bling bling. b l a c k IS variety. word Agreed and I think CCp agrees also. In one of the E-ON articles they talk about the graphic upgrade and discuss how they would like for there to be darker environments and have higher contrast for shadows on the ship. Personally I think it would be cool if the "darkness" of the background/environment was linked to either security or distance to empire... the closer you are to empire/hi-sec you see vibrant and bright backgrounds like we have currently, but the environment gets darker as you get farther away from empire/hi-sec.. and DEEPer into the depths of space.. you FEEL it. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Sameth Daret Caldari ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:34:00 - [30] Edited by: Sameth Daret on 31/01/2007 17:30:58 Originally by: Gaven Blands Binary Systems? And what is with the Red Shift and Blue Shift when warping faster than light? I thought that even at velocities faster than C , light hitting the ship form the front would be blue due to compresion and be red after passing the ship due to altering wavelength?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:42:00 - [31] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/01/2007 17:39:45 Originally by: Tatiana Valenko Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Darcha Actually, space isn't black at all, it's just mostly comprised of dark matter. and not to get technical but black isn't a color at all, it's only the absence of light reflecting a color (ie you see it as black, but it isn't black at all, there's just no reflection receptable by our visual spectrum) Even counting dark matter, the vast majority of the universe (99.9999999999999999%) is empty space. And black, by definition, is lack of a color (lack of reflected or emitted light). Actually space is filled with plasma and there is no such thing as dark matter. Dark matter was made up to make a failing theory (it isnt even a theory technically) work as it didnt work with what was being observed. You're confusing Dark Matter with Dark Energy. Dark Matter has been mapped and its existence basically proven beyond all reasonable doubt. If dark matter doesn't exist, then Einstein's theory of gravity is wrong, which is highly unlikely. Space is not "filled with plasma." The plasma is so low density that its about an atom or two per cubic meter in interstellar and intergalactic space. That isn't "filled with." Its still almost completely empty. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Gimpslayer	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:50:00 - [32] Originally by: LordReaper Originally by: Unvisibility I actually had a dream like this lastnight. I dreamt that my brother was flying a freighter and I was escorting him in a frigate into 0.0 and it was very cool cos we were actually piloting the ships but 0.0 was really really dark, all black, and I couldn't see the docking port on the bottom of the station. Then we got blown up and it turned into World of Warcraft (sort of) and I had to fly on the back on an eagle to get my corpse. Get out more. too funny. LordReaper, evemail me for your check.
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:02:00 - [33] If you want to get pendinc about it, then you shouldn't see stars much of the time, either. Anytime you're close to a planetary body or station, they should flood the area with enough light to block out most/all the stars.
Politocratis	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Frezik If you want to get pendinc about it, then you shouldn't see stars much of the time, either. Anytime you're close to a planetary body or station, they should flood the area with enough light to block out most/all the stars. For a camera, the human eye has a higher dynamic range
Lord Artemis Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:43:00 - [35] /signed There is currently way more colors than black. Don't get me wrong its the awesome backgrounds and features that make Eve great but it kinda sux to have to rotate camera to a dense patch of black to see your UI and overview clearer. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC!
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:54:00 - [36] We are of like mind. ------------------- Ignorance
Ghostshadow Caldari Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Del ReyII This happened to me when I was messing with the map while jumping, thought it was a cool enough shot. Linkage now my new Desktop background. Purdy =) _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:38:00 - [38] Stuff like in Freespace II would be nice. Yes there were plenty of nebulas but not the sort you see in eve, they gave a bigger feeling of depth and variety to space while still retaining the darkness and 'black'. Oh and... I wanna fly in nebulas like those in Freespace II too. You can't see ** and your systems are screwed up but it is FUN. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by:** Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Rick Thwaites Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:42:00 - [39] Make Jita a black space. = )! -- Max sig dimensions are 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected]) Purple matches your eyes a little better, Cathath. = )! Not the first time I have been told I am too big...
Rodrigo Valon Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:31:00 - [40] I am all for making systems, in general, a little darker. Also, systems in 0.0 should be darker too, being further from the center cluster of the galaxy and all. And yes, the option to turn off all star/neubula light (IE - play only in black) is a great, simple idea that I myself would play with periodically. But from the viewpoint of pure logic, it is starting to really scare me how many posters on this thread seem to be saying "Yes, make all the systems all black, with hardly any variance. Because what we have now is boring. And making everything the same color(or lack there of) will make things fresher and different." All black is not variety. It is the opposite of variety. You are giving me a headache of Lewis Black-ian proportions.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Tatiana Valenko Actually space is filled with plasma and there is no such thing as dark matter. Dark matter was made up to make a failing theory (it isnt even a theory technically) work as it didnt work with what was being observed. /me kicks Tatiana back into science class. (try to pay attention this time.) ----- but on the OP's topic, hell yeah, i would love to have some real space. how about empire and low-sec is all nebula-like and make outer-lying 0.0 systems BLACK?
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:30:00 - [42] CCP could implement a game menu feature to toggle between 2 texturing styles for all systems. One option would be "lots of nebula", other option could be "few nebula". This would effect client side texture files and shouldn't have any performance side effects.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Ephemeron CCP could implement a game menu feature to toggle between 2 texturing styles for all systems. One option would be "lots of nebula", other option could be "few nebula". This would effect client side texture files and shouldn't have any performance side effects. And a "no nebula" option too please. Black space, twinkling stars, crests of planets and moons, hard shadows on ships ... space. :) If you want color, turn it on, if not, turn it off. Should not be very difficult to implement. -AS
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Politocratis Originally by: Frezik If you want to get pendinc about it, then you shouldn't see stars much of the time, either. Anytime you're close to a planetary body or station, they should flood the area with enough light to block out most/all the stars. For a camera, the human eye has a higher dynamic range You may be able to see the brightest stars, and some lesser-magnitude stars if your eyes have time to adjust. A full moon can block out the light of many stars, and the Earth viewed from the Moon is a lot brighter than the Moon viewed from the Earth. So if you're near any planetary body, at least a good chunk of the stars should blink out unless your eyes have time to adjust (which is what HDR is simulates).
BlazeRage Caldari Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.02.01 05:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Sameth Daret Edited by: Sameth Daret on 31/01/2007 17:30:58 Originally by: Gaven Blands Binary Systems? And what is with the Red Shift and Blue Shift when warping faster than light? I thought that even at velocities faster than C , light hitting the ship form the front would be blue due to compresion and be red after passing the ship due to altering wavelength? OMG imagine that in EVE, something like a shockwave of light in warp. Your ship would have almost an upside down flame coming off with blue shearing off the front and tapering off into red near the back.
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:01:00 - [46] I have the same bug that removes the coloured background sometimes. It¦s awesome because is very realistic, but the warping tunnel animation is not for epilectics ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Rodrigo Valon I am all for making systems, in general, a little darker. Also, systems in 0.0 should be darker too, being further from the center cluster of the galaxy and all. And yes, the option to turn off all star/neubula light (IE - play only in black) is a great, simple idea that I myself would play with periodically. But from the viewpoint of pure logic, it is starting to really scare me how many posters on this thread seem to be saying "Yes, make all the systems all black, with hardly any variance. Because what we have now is boring. And making everything the same color(or lack there of) will make things fresher and different." All black is not variety. It is the opposite of variety. You are giving me a headache of Lewis Black-ian proportions. All black is more spacey, and everything being the same and somewhat more realistic and atmosphereic is better than having a lot of variety, where none of the variations bear any resemblance to reality. Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Politocratis Originally by: Frezik If you want to get pendinc about it, then you shouldn't see stars much of the time, either. Anytime you're close to a planetary body or station, they should flood the area with enough light to block out most/all the stars. For a camera, the human eye has a higher dynamic range You may be able to see the brightest stars, and some lesser-magnitude stars if your eyes have time to adjust. A full moon can block out the light of many stars, and the Earth viewed from the Moon is a lot brighter than the Moon viewed from the Earth. So if you're near any planetary body, at least a good chunk of the stars should blink out unless your eyes have time to adjust (which is what HDR is simulates). So they should make it so if you park your ship on the dark side of a planet with no nearby celestial bodies in view, you see omgwtfmany stars. Also, I demand the ability to park my ship on the dark side. No more of this always warping to the same point above the planet crap. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Tatiana Valenko Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/01/2007 17:39:45 Dark Matter has been mapped and its existence basically proven beyond all reasonable doubt. If dark matter doesn't exist, then Einstein's theory of gravity is wrong, which is highly unlikely. Space is not "filled with plasma." The plasma is so low density that its about an atom or two per cubic meter in interstellar and intergalactic space. That isn't "filled with." Its still almost completely empty. Dark matter has not been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, far from it. Its the astronomers who asume they have proved it beyond doubt.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:08:00 - [49] Holy hell that picture of totally black space looks awesome. I agree with the sentiments expressed here - while the nebulas are very pretty, they're far too frequent. It'd be much better if they were smaller generally when drawn, and then if we had some constellations which were just wrapped in them (and if you really want to go nuts, make them good for gas mining).
Vincea Vega	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:10:00 - [50] Edited by: Vincea Vega on 01/02/2007 11:13:22 /Signed, actually, there isnt any color in space that you can see with your naked eye. Give us at least the option to turn the backgrounds off. I want black space!!!!
Hadrian Grimm	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:20:00 - [51] Yes I agree, I find many systems just too bright. Space should be a little darker IMO And good change BTW with the recent changes, less stars makes the universe look better.
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:07:00 - [52] I reckon it would be cool to have binary stars.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Mr Mozzie I reckon it would be cool to have binary stars. The stars are 'binary' already. Wink wink, nudge nudge. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Ikoh	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:11:00 - [54] There is no air in space therefore no resistance t ships travelling. Therefore why to big ships with big engines travel slowly? Why to big missiles with large propulsion move slowly? The mechanics of EVE are more like underwater than in space.
DEFF DSP	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:26:00 - [55] /signed
Bdachel	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:40:00 - [56] Actually I would prefer black space with twinkling stars in the background...
ViolenTUK	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:00:00 - [57] There should be a great deal more variety to the back drops. There is only 2 backdrops that get used. There should be possibly huundreds not just the same ones that are colored again. Having darker systems in the outer edges of the galaxy is a good idea too. Come on CCP.
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:05:00 - [58] Make the backgrounds a lot more subtle and introducing black backgrounds aswell would indeed be very welcome. I think X3 and Nexus offered stuff like that, it makes them very moody - It would be more "EVE-like". EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Ikoh There is no air in space therefore no resistance t ships travelling. Therefore why to big ships with big engines travel slowly? Why to big missiles with large propulsion move slowly? The mechanics of EVE are more like underwater than in space. While true, this has nothing to do with anything. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Raketenkaese	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:27:00 - [60] The backdrops of EVE resemble more what you might see in photographs taken of the heavens through telescopes with exposure times of several minutes or even hours in some instances. There are a few different types of nebulae out there, two of them being reflective, where a gas/dust clod lingering close to a set of stars reflect their light. Then theres emission nebulae that actually produce their own light emission through being heated by intense radiation from a another active celestial body close by that doesnt emitt in the visual end of the spectrum but rater x-ray radiation or some such. Not your everage microwave though. Seeing them with the naked eye or even with a light sensitive camera in realtime would be a real challange if at all possible due to them being so weakly illuminated, not to mention being able to catch a glimpse of color in them. I'm all for bling bling fancy stuff ofc. Eyecandy makes the world go around for sure, but what really does it for me is when it is beleivable, extrapolated from science, sort of 'this is what it probalby would look like' - thingamajingies. Thats coolness
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Sameth Daret Edited by: Sameth Daret on 31/01/2007 17:30:58 Originally by: Gaven Blands Binary Systems? And what is with the Red Shift and Blue Shift when warping faster than light? I thought that even at velocities faster than C , light hitting the ship form the front would be blue due to compresion and be red after passing the ship due to altering wavelength? actually it's very strange. The red/blue shift happens at sub-light speeds. Sort of like the doppler effect works for sound "the waves stack on top of each other". However even in warp you're not going faster then speed of light "that's impossible" you're probebly bending time and space around your ship. How this would effect light is beyond me, and i dno't think anyone could really tell unless it was done. Also Dark matter is proven. A massive collision between celestial bodies showed a mass of matter but no light "so it was dark matter uneffected by electromagnetitism". "This mass of matter was measurable because of the lensing effect it's own gravitational field created" __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside"
Daikaze	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:13:00 - [62] I wouldn't say Dark Matter is proven... We believe it exists and it solves the missing mass problem, but it may not exist. There are other theories and possibilities out there that have been proven to be just as likely as dark matter. I'm not saying that the dark matter doesn't exist, I'm just saying that it is possible that it isn't actually matter but simply a misunderstanding of the laws in the universe. Dark matter is simply invisible matter that can only be measured by the presence of its gravity. Until we go out and check it ourselves we likely won't know if it is actually matter. Currently though it is a widely accepted theory because it fits into our mathematics and other various theories.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:25:00 - [63] From an entirely literary stand point, having black space would totally not make sense. Think about it. 99% of EVE space is nebula. Presumably this isn't going to change, and it'd just be adding new "black" space, right? Well the only reasonable explanation for EVE's current backgrounds is that New Eden is inside a nebula. So how exactly can one or two systems be not inside a nebula, while all the surrounding systems are? That'd be silly. OK, what would be cool is this. The next few regions they add, they have half the background (in the direction of the current systems) filled with nebula, and the other half pitch black. It'd be like the newly discovered regions are on the edge of the nebula! Then, the next regions can have only a small amount of nebula in the appropriate direction, and more black! It'd be like really travelling! futhermore, they could give the new regions appropriate names, like "Border Zone" and "The Vast Gulf" (only, you know, better than that). Mucho goodness! *Patch86 has gotten himself over excited, and needs to go lie down now....... -----------------------------------------------
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:40:00 - [64] I like the colored space because it doesn't look realistic. It looks kinda like you're dreaming of space, which I find appropriate, since this is a game.
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:43:00 - [65] Oh, and dark matter? Dark matter is a theory to explain why stars at the edges of galaxies don't move much slower than stars at the center. If galaxies are surrounded my matter, then galaxies are larger than they appear, and the visible part is moving correctly. Modified Newtonian Dynamics (The theory that stuff acts differently when the accelerations are not large) is another theory that basically tries to explain the same thing.
Chirsthoh Minmatar Angels of Discord	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:21:00 - [66] And some craziness.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 07:43:00 - [67] Originally by: Kerdrak I have the same bug that removes the coloured background sometimes. It¦s awesome because is very realistic, but the warping tunnel animation is not for epilectics Got any idea how to repro this feature, err, I mean bug? :) -AS
Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.02 08:35:00 - [68] Edited by: Khyle on 02/02/2007 08:42:48 There was once a way you could change all background textures to pure black(without any negative sideffects) or just tone them down a lot, for example brightness -90%, then most of your background is black, with hints of extremely dark nebula here and there. Its quile cool, and the most terrific view is looking towards a sun with these settings. They were so extremely bright, in contrast to the surrounding space, looked awesome. Sadly it doesnt seem to work anymore, was "fixed" i guess. Examples: Normal Darker (the darker picture is not turned fully black, obviously, and the camera is pointed towards the brightest and densest part of the nebula, thats why it looks so dirty, 90% of the background was indeed black; for nice looking pure black pics see the other posts)

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