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Grim Zardoz
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Posted - 2003.12.09 19:11:00 -
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Okay, after playing it for a single day eve is simply unplayable to me, the small text in the tutorial part for example causes me eye strain leading to a headache after a relatively short amount of time.
Now, if Eve Online ever make available a change to the game that allows you to customise or change all of the text to a larger size then I may rejoin.
I have a question however, if I cancel my subscription (I only signed up yesterday, so i'm still in the first free month) and learn say next year that Eve Online implements a feature to change the text size and I decide to give Eve another go, will I still have part of that free month left?
Or will I have to pay the subscription fee from day one?
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MooKids
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Posted - 2003.12.09 19:12:00 -
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Nope, once you start the account, the free month is from the date you started to the next month. If you come back at a later date, then you will need to pay.
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Rommal
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Posted - 2003.12.10 07:16:00 -
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Grim,
Is the ONLY reason your leaving EVE becaues of the small text during the tutorial? you could change the resolution on the ESC menu which would help. Playing EVE for only one day though and not experiencing the epic feel of this game, is sad.
Rommal
ps on the chat windos theres an icon that looks like aA which will enlarge text on the dialogue. hope to see you around ;)
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.10 09:21:00 -
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Change the resolution. To miss out on a game this good is a crying shame.
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ManniXXX
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Posted - 2003.12.10 12:12:00 -
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Well, changing the resolution seems, pointless as its most likely hes got it in 1024 x 768 already which is the lowest setting possible for the game, making it higher makes everything smaller.
On a small monitor, below 17 inches say, it can get hard to read everything but its nothing to leave a game over, the chat has an option to make the text bigger which is, quite handy.
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Kryten Queeg
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Posted - 2003.12.10 12:27:00 -
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Can'tyou just get a decent 24" monitor and run it in 1024 x 768? 
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Mitawyn
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Posted - 2003.12.10 18:22:00 -
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One day is hardly a fair trial of anything. You will miss alot by throwing in the towel now. Since no one else mentioned this, thought I would toss it out there to consider. Have you had your eyes checked recently? Do you wear glasses or use contacts? You might want to check into it. Some people who don't wear glasses at all, suffer eyestrain when looking at a computer display in any resolution. Check with your eye doctor and see if glasses made exclusively for use for normal vision with computers might be the answer to your problem. Wouldn't hurt to check.
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Grim Zardoz
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Posted - 2003.12.10 21:28:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with my eyes, I do however work with computers all day.
So having to read something where the text is miniscule doesn't help.
Quite frankly, from what i've played of the game it is a bit of a stinker.
The tutorial misses out vast swathes of information, instead of teaching you basic principles like how to actually find asteroids it tells you information that you don't need to know which only seem like you need to know about later in the game like adding ship parts etc.
The user interface is cluttered and messy (have the makers never read any kind of user interface guidelines?).
The game is more like Homeworld than Elite, which while Homeworld is a great game Eve online is advertised as more of a game that is Elite like, the controls give you pretty much no control over your ship except click on that to move there, click on that to attack that and so on...
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Igwilve
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Posted - 2003.12.10 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Igwilve on 10/12/2003 23:18:57
What's wrong with the UI? I love EVE's UI.
How to find asteroids was covered pretty extensively in the manual, so the tutorial doesn't need to cover that. Reading the manual before playing told me most of what I needed to know - the tutorial just served as a sort of dry run.
Or are you the sort of person who doesn't read manuals?
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Rommal
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Posted - 2003.12.11 00:36:00 -
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Grim, After playing for a day there is no way that you've even began to scratch the surface of EVE. The "cluttered" screen, shows the lack of experience. EVE has an awesome customization feature that lets all windwos be stretched, shrunk, combined etc. the info bar on the left can even be changed. If you play all your games for only a day, without experiencing the good things about it, makes me wonder how many you've shelved because "the text is too small".
The Tutorial is built to give you the basic feel of the controls, not hold your hand through every aspect of the game.
Play it, learn it, and enjoy the experience
Rommal
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.12.11 02:14:00 -
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Eyes are not something you want to mess with.
Changing the color scheme of the UI may help, as will uncluttering it and switching the chat windows to large font, but basically you need at least a 19 in monitor to not hurt your eyes.
Otherwise your stance is the same I had for Final Fantasy XI: I simply didn't want to bother learning a new interface, and that was that.
Up to you.
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Grim Zardoz
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Posted - 2003.12.13 20:06:00 -
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Grim, After playing for a day there is no way that you've even began to scratch the surface of EVE. The "cluttered" screen, shows the lack of experience. EVE has an awesome customization feature that lets all windwos be stretched, shrunk, combined etc. the info bar on the left can even be changed. If you play all your games for only a day, without experiencing the good things about it, makes me wonder how many you've shelved because "the text is too small".
The Tutorial is built to give you the basic feel of the controls, not hold your hand through every aspect of the game.
Play it, learn it, and enjoy the experience
Rommal
I've been playing all sorts of games since the 80's, therefore I think I know the difference between a cluttered UI and an uncluttered one.
I don't expect a tutorial to tell me everything about the game, what I do expect out of a tutorial is to give you the basics of the game, the tutorial only gave half.
As for the small text, eye strain is something very real that can physically damage the muscles in your eyes, are you suggesting I risk eye damage for a game?
I very rarely shelve a game unless its really quite bad and on the UI front, Eve is.
I have no problem learning games, as I said.. been playing games since the 80's, never had problems learning how to play any games from then upto the current period.
I played Elite when that first came out on the BBC Micro, can you claim the same?
I'm guessing you'd probably give up on how to figure out how to even load it from the tape.
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Captain Tinrib
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Posted - 2003.12.13 22:33:00 -
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Maybe you should invest in some glasses?
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2003.12.14 02:37:00 -
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Some things with the Eve interface are quite impressive. Others are not. Generally the only things that really irritate me are that it's so tedious to refine and repackage but i think that will be solved in the future.
I would recommend a larger screen if possible and to play it at low resolution. That should make the text better. Sure it would be nice for some if the text was resizable but it would give a pain for the devs to recreate the UI then and there is only so much time
/Phoibos
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Rommal
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Posted - 2003.12.14 04:27:00 -
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I am a former Elite player Grim. you seem to be the only one complaining about ui font size so yes, glasses maybe a good sugggestion for you. Nothing to be ashamed, jus means your getting old The ui is fine, customization is key. make it work for you.
as for the tutorial, who cares about what it shows you and doesnt show you. you get better at any game by just jumping in a playing, and not worrying about pittly crap like cluttered ui and font size.
anyways. have a good time, and just enjoy yourself like so many of us are already doin
Rommal
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.14 11:13:00 -
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There's a tutorial?
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Apoca
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Posted - 2003.12.14 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Apoca on 14/12/2003 11:28:37
I'm with Mr Tinribs on this one - i think a pair of glasses would be a good investment - if you've got some and you cant see clearly with them on then i think it may be time to change them 
A day in eve and you've already decided that its crap well thats a real pity - true you feel like a newborn for the first two weeks roaming round, knowing nothing and asking loads of questions but thats one of the things thats great about the game. You play and you learn - the manual would be the size of the yellow pages if they put everything in - your missing the point - this game is about discovery - i've been playing two months and still have to ask questions!!
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Grim Zardoz
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Posted - 2003.12.14 13:31:00 -
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I can see just fine, i've said this before.
After playing the game for a while with the tiny text it causes eye strain and leads onto a headache.
Having to keep the eyes tightly focused on small text like that strains the muscles in the eyes, I don't need glasses, my monitor is a 17" Belinea.
I started playing Eve at 1280x1024, then went to 1024x768, got rid of the transparency to make the text stand out more and still its annoyingly small add to the fact that it is grey text on a black background, at the least they could allow you to change the colour to make the text stand out more.
The best I could make it look was http://www.zardoz.co.uk/images/eve.jpg, thats the best I could make at making it stand out, which is mad.
I simply don't have the patience for a game that ignores basic user interface guidelines, gives me headaches and possible eye damage.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.12.14 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 14/12/2003 15:05:36
I dont think its tiny, not more so than the text on this post, although for a game and not a book, I would agree that the text continues to be too small. You can change the color too.
I see more of the problem in that the tutorial is rediculously verbose and chit chatty. People should not have to read that much in an online tutorial, and I would agree that it covers things you dont really care about and tries to do it all at once (the begining) rather than be accessible later.
So In many respects, I would agree with Grim, I do not like the tutorial at all and have never liked it. If I had to go through such a tutorial, I would burn the game and never play it again. Luckily, I learned the game from beta, in which I alo said I dont like the tutorial. Also, you certainly do not have to do that much reading in the rest of the game, theres considerably far less text.
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Kryten Queeg
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Posted - 2003.12.14 15:59:00 -
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I can see just fine, i've said this before.
After playing the game for a while with the tiny text it causes eye strain and leads onto a headache.
Having to keep the eyes tightly focused on small text like that strains the muscles in the eyes, I don't need glasses, my monitor is a 17" Belinea.
I started playing Eve at 1280x1024, then went to 1024x768, got rid of the transparency to make the text stand out more and still its annoyingly small add to the fact that it is grey text on a black background, at the least they could allow you to change the colour to make the text stand out more.
The best I could make it look was http://www.zardoz.co.uk/images/eve.jpg, thats the best I could make at making it stand out, which is mad.
I simply don't have the patience for a game that ignores basic user interface guidelines, gives me headaches and possible eye damage.
I'm 41 years old, I'm playing on an old Nokia 447X at 1280 x 1024 resolution 60 Hz, and I can read everything just fine. I increased font size on chat coz it is easier to read, and I sometimes have to squint to read small numbers, but believe me, the major thing is you don't know what you are reading. Once you get used to the interface some more you know what to expect, it's like reading a doctors prescription.
If you really can't read it, you really have to visit an oculist and get glasses. Or be like my granny at 83, she refuses to get glasses and bumps into doorposts, and now she broke her foot.
If the unanimous opinion of a long list of posters cannot convince you of this game's quality, it's back to believing PC Zones recommendations for you.
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slothe
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Posted - 2003.12.14 23:40:00 -
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erm...
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Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
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Nagai Attarim
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Posted - 2004.01.14 03:14:00 -
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Hmmm, I can read the text just fine without causing any eye strain. Once I remove my glasses though, the strain becomes unberable pretty quick.
You might want to check your vision if you haven't lately. Glasses make you look really smart.
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Kragon Doom
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Posted - 2004.01.14 04:45:00 -
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Heh..sorry bout that...I have to agree with the poster...the fonts are ok..it would be better if you could customize them to your liking.
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Schwennung
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Posted - 2004.01.14 09:24:00 -
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I experience the same problem as Grim.
I have 21" nokia running 1280x1024 and I have a hard time reading most texts.
Booo!!! it's a silly, you can jump between solar systems, you can fire nukes in space, you can do lots and lots of really high tech stuff but you can NOT change the size of the fonts in your ship's UI... maybe font sizes require som heavy research and will come in Tech Level 3?
Pffft...
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:04:00 -
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Hi, Igwilve and others. Just so you know, since EVE isn't on the shelves much, and most people who are new to the game are downloading it, there IS NO MANUAL ANYMORE if you download. Unless you know of where the manual is linked here, I'm not seeing it. :)
So try not to flame people for not reading a non-existant manual.
Anyway, sounds like he isn't really giving the game a chance, and to be honest, he isn't quitting cause of his eyes. EVE's not for everyone, so better you realized this than after you invested a lot of time playing.
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Edited by: Igwilve on 10/12/2003 23:18:57
What's wrong with the UI? I love EVE's UI.
How to find asteroids was covered pretty extensively in the manual, so the tutorial doesn't need to cover that. Reading the manual before playing told me most of what I needed to know - the tutorial just served as a sort of dry run.
Or are you the sort of person who doesn't read manuals?
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Tyagi
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Posted - 2004.01.26 13:02:00 -
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I am playing on a 19" monitor (a triniton tubed IIyama) and also find the game's text a bit small. It would be good if I could customise text per window. There are some things I want to read more easily than others.
My current res is 1280x1024 but I'd like to play at 1600x1200. The text size is the only thing stopping me from doing this.
The other thing I'd like to adjust is the volume of the warp drive sample. Damn it's loud compared to other sounds in-game! If I have the volume up to listen to the music and other effects, the warp drive sample blows the roof off.
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Bolt Zapper
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Posted - 2004.01.26 13:30:00 -
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just to say this but u can change the font size on the windows. just have to look is all. Maybe u should take a look above everones names and theres to a's. the u go just click it and u have urself all captaials letters or something.
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Posted - 2004.01.26 16:01:00 -
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Grim, do you have any special settings for font smoothing or anything like that activated? I tried some setting in WindowBlinds that made text in Eve really bad, but otherwise I've had no problems playing in 1280 resolution. And my eyesight is not perfect...
And about EVE not being like Elite... I've spent countless hours with Frontier and First Encounters the last decade, so at the beginning I was a bit disappointed by the control system... but if you get immersed in the massiveness of the EVE world you'll forget about the controls and get an urge to explore more and more of everything that's availible to you... just like in Braben's games. 
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Talak Relketh
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Posted - 2004.01.26 18:08:00 -
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Look at the date of the original post. I think Grim may be long gone by now 
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.01.26 19:37:00 -
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Didn't check the dates at all and assumed it was recent...
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