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EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:16:00 - [31] What was gained? fun you have to remember EVE is a game, yes, that's right, a game where people shoot people. Why do people shoot each other in CS? in Battlefield? in any other games for that matter? do they get isk everytime they kill someone or do they just get score++ on the board until the next round? this game isn't all about money and griefing you know.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:23:00 - [32] I would shoot you up so you couldn't mine another 100k in zyd as easily as the first. Like somebody said above me, much easier to blow ships up while they are still trit in sombody's cargo hold than when they are built, and have fittings and a pilot in them.
NeoNeTiC Die Diener Melkors	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:59:00 - [33] Well, I for one attack hostile (in NBSI-regions neutral) barges and miners for a few reasons: They're normally easy targets (even in full-grown 0.0-mining-ops) and therefore lead to more quick loot. (Warp in, shoot them down first, before everyone uses the mighty power of fully-stabbed-ships to escape - and loot them afterwards. Wrecks luckily can't fit stabs and warp away ) -> Less PvE-grinding to afford a new ship once my current one goes pop ^_^ They might even drop some valuable loot (imagine Modulated Strip Miner IIs or even Gist-boosters, a common item on Exhumers). Even 3-6mill are worth 10-20 seconds of work. If they're close to the corp HQ the killing allows the full-grown carebears in my corp to mine the ore in the future. More profit for the corp -> More profit for me Engaging the "helpless" might trigger some kind of PvP-reaction by the victims' corporation, thus leading to more fighting, sometimes even fun and beyond blobbing and chasing me around - I like PvP. And now a more personal reason: I'm occasionally RPing a wicked psychotic flying through space and acting weird. (unless in corp-chat - they don't like that ) Random acts of violence add more depth to my character. Well, probalby not - but it's more fun I once thought quite like you do, dear OP - but the dark side offered me cookies, a free pleasure hub lifetime-membership and lots of delicious smack in local, boosting my ego. Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Grieflabs
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Neveren Pre-cursor, by no means is this a rant or whine or anything along those lines, just looking to discuss the reasoning behind ganking "Carebear" and or non military vessles. Today I lost a barge to a crusader who luckily got me.. (I couldnt see all of local on my screen cause there were so many people about and didnt realize untill it was too late) So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. but I lost 1 barge, A standard fit Covetor with tech 1 strips.. Value'ed around 30 million isk, It was 1 ship, got in ganked me and got out. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. My question. What was gained? (I got my pod out, So no time was lost, I simply boarded another barge.) What was lost? (30 mill for ship +Fittings) Possible gain for The Pilot (2 strip miners survived - 6mil?) Thats just the situation. the possibilites.. My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular? As an alliance fighter for IRON/D2 I have to say that if you're nuetral and in hostile space, you're hostile. I will kill and destroy your ** no matter what you plead. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.04 07:12:00 - [35] so the OP thinks that his enemies should warp into belt and see them mining and say "ooh sorry, ill wait until you are finished mining and is in a combat ship" this thread delivers. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Soraya Silvermoon Langoliers	Posted - 2007.02.04 07:43:00 - [36] Some play monopoly and are kind and lend eachother money. Some play monopoly to win and by the rules. You dont seriously think there will be only the first type of ppl in a mmo?
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.04 08:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Neveren My thing is why? Because they can. /Ben How to fix Eve
essex girl	Posted - 2007.02.04 08:43:00 - [38] My mains character is part of a corp that in times of boredom wardecs whole corps of carebears in empire just for something to do. We Dec them they fight for a couple of days lose a few frigates and cruisers we play fair with ship sizes (mostly) and they hide after a couple of days we retract. Then we go back to doing whatever we do when not beating up on carebears. Argueably its more "pointless" that blowing up an alliance barge in the alliances own space. But equally its still watching a few cheap ships blow up. Usually they take some lessons away from it and we get a few kill mails.
Lyn30101	Posted - 2007.02.04 09:15:00 - [39] Originally by: NeoNeTiC Well, I for one attack hostile (in NBSI-regions neutral) barges and miners for a few reasons: They're normally easy targets (even in full-grown 0.0-mining-ops) and therefore lead to more quick loot. (Warp in, shoot them down first, before everyone uses the mighty power of fully-stabbed-ships to escape - and loot them afterwards. Wrecks luckily can't fit stabs and warp away ) -> Less PvE-grinding to afford a new ship once my current one goes pop ^_^ They might even drop some valuable loot (imagine Modulated Strip Miner IIs or even Gist-boosters, a common item on Exhumers). Even 3-6mill are worth 10-20 seconds of work. If they're close to the corp HQ the killing allows the full-grown carebears in my corp to mine the ore in the future. More profit for the corp -> More profit for me Engaging the "helpless" might trigger some kind of PvP-reaction by the victims' corporation, thus leading to more fighting, sometimes even fun and beyond blobbing and chasing me around - I like PvP. And now a more personal reason: I'm occasionally RPing a wicked psychotic flying through space and acting weird. (unless in corp-chat - they don't like that ) Random acts of violence add more depth to my character. Well, probalby not - but it's more fun I once thought quite like you do, dear OP - but the dark side offered me cookies, a free pleasure hub lifetime-membership and lots of delicious smack in local, boosting my ego. Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Grieflabs At least you're honest about your need for epeen. Gotta give you that much. I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. ------ Sub ends Feb 13. No you can't have my stuff, why should I reward bullies and phishers?
Destr0math Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:01:00 - [40] for fun AND for profit!!! what's to lose?!
Syril Mert Serenity Technology	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Lyn30101 Originally by: NeoNeTiC At least you're honest about your need for epeen. Gotta give you that much. I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. Who said he had already won? I read the op post and it said the tank ran away. The tank could have engaged and called for backup. Part of the charm of 0.0 is that you never know whats waiting for you. How do you know that while you are busy killing the barge a 40 man interceptor gang isn't on it's way to gank you? How do you know that the barge pilots friends aren't going to grow some balls and fight back? It's also not only about epeen. Wars in 0.0 are usually economic wars. It's not the one that is more "honorable" that wins, it's the one that can build most ships and deny the enemy their income that wins the war and gets to stay in 0.0. Wars in eve has meaning and can lead to gameplay changes for the people playing. I wish you luck in finding an MMO where killing other players is meaningless.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 04/02/2007 10:21:31 Originally by: Lyn30101 I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. EVE PvP is not about duels of some "knights in a shiny armor" ... it's about warfare. don't look at it like the meaning of a fight lies only in the fight itself. it's a big strategy game - what this guy in the barge encountered was not PvP for honor. it was PvP in the sense of "raiding the base of your opponent while his forces are distracted" ... you can describe it this way - you're playing a big space based strategy game. but unliky o-game and others you're not the leader, but one of the countless "minions" fighting for a "greater good". ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:12:00 - [43] What a strange thread. firstly you seem to be suggesting that when someone kills another person they are doing so to make them lose isk or training time for skills if they pod them or otherwise hurt them. this is rarely the case. 99% of ppl who kill everything they come across like him do it for a. fun. killing anything is fun i don't care how small it is. b. earning isk. even 6 mil adds up and after a few kills like that he can replace his ship when he loses it. also for all he knew you may have had t2 strips which sell for a pretty penny. and there is no c really it's for those 2 reasons. i have to think that you have ont pvp'd much in eve tbh. anyone who has been on a ganking spree just killing everything in ur path without care would not need to ask this question. DE
Silane Daktor Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:18:00 - [44] Edited by: Silane Daktor on 04/02/2007 16:15:39 To the OP- why do you mine for hours on end? For the end product, right? Same as people who blow stuff up. I could start a thread on how I don't get that people can sit there and mine for hours. But I just accept people do. So, accept that there are those of us who like to blow stuff up or ransom people. Why? Because it's fun and we earn a living like that.
Nylian Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.04 18:49:00 - [45] I do it for the pretty lights and explosions, I pod for the squishy sound. :D And usually, at least to me, the more expensive the ship, the better the explosion. :) ________________________________________________ In the great search for perfection, one must be imperfect.
Mr Bondy The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.04 22:40:00 - [46] Oh nav.... is such an obvious reason, they popped you because you weren't mining veld... how many times do I have to tell you.. tut tut On a serious note - its risk free PvP basically - and there is a pretty decent chance of a hardcore miner like you dropping good loot. Expanders, T2 strips, Gist tank (exhumers) P.S - drop me a convo ingame sometime, been along time mate
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:52:00 - [47] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 05/02/2007 13:50:12 Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 05/02/2007 13:49:13 People do it for the explosion, and for the possibility of tech II strips. It's kind of a shame, as a tech I strip barge is worth a lot more ransomed than dead. As there's no way for people to tell what you're fitted with without wasting a slot, people will usually make you explode. A lot of people will just make you explode anyway, just on general principles or to relieve boredom. You have the right idea mining in a covetor with tech I strips. You just gotta accept that people will gank you every now and then. Often hurts to lose a ship but it's to be expected tbh. Also, if it was a solo inty tech II lights and a few mods can sometimes make a decent fight of it.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Lyn30101 I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won You don't. You really, really don't. Here are some things that could happen: 1) Corpmate/alt in ecm ship warps into belt. Attacker has to leave. 2) Random warps into belt. Probably attacks inty first. Barge gets chance to leave. 3) Barge logs off (exploit imho, but it happens) 4) Corpmate/alt in combat ship warps into belt. Inty explodes. 5) Barge has some pvp mods and puts up a fight, might even win. 6) Barge is getting up to speed because he's scanned inty coming out of warp. Barge escapes. 7) Barge is attacked by slower ship than inty and is some distance from warp in point. Escapes. 8) Barge is ganked, corpmates/allies of barge pilot respond and chase and kill inty. Barge pilot gets his surviving stuff back, possibly plus the loot from the inty. 9) Etc... As victory in this situation is just for the barge to escape, it has plenty chances. Also, if you make substantially more than you lose, does it really matter if you lose some ships now and then? Wouldn't it be boring without events like that?
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:54:00 - [49] Edited by: Salusa VC on 05/02/2007 14:53:07 First mistake was letting your tank go. You now present a zero risk target for the Crusdaer pilot. The chance of 6 million ISK return for zero risk is better than nothing
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Salusa VC on 05/02/2007 14:53:07 First mistake was letting your tank go. You now present a zero risk target for the Crusdaer pilot. The chance of 6 million ISK return for zero risk is better than nothing
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:21:00 - [51] I think it was eris who once said PEW PEW! -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
Zensige The . Forsaken	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:55:00 - [52] The crusader pilot was obviously being friendly and giving you a free make over!
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:02:00 - [53] you sy he had nothing to gain because you only had a t1 fit.. For all he knew you coulda been totally fitted out with t2 crystals and faction fittings. plus it was fun for him, and a great rush. My advice...get a better tank
Kery Syander Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:20:00 - [54] I just shoot everything I can until my mail icon flashes. I love getting killmails. I tried shooting rats and stations and stargates, but those don't seem to send me mail. I don't check the loot or even read the killmails, I just like to get mail, ya know? I pew pew for the blinky blinky. [/sarcasm] Seriously, all the clueless carebears posting here saying that 'pvpers are lame and only care about KMs and their e-peen' need to get a friggin' clue. I play EVE because it's fun. The way I have the most fun in EVE is by hunting things down and killing them. I assume that people who mine all day are doing that because it's fun. I don't presume to tell those people why they are doing what they are doing or if I perceive it as wrong. I simply accept you as you are... a miner, or a mission runner, or whatever. I don't friggin' care. You play the game your way, and I'll play the game my way. We'll both have fun and not criticize what the other person has chosen to do. Deal? To the OP, when roaming around solo in my interceptor, I would attack a mining op because targets are typically few and far between, and I get a rush when I'm warping into a belt where some juicy targets are sitting. Maybe the barge has T2 strips, and maybe it doesn't. It's like Christmas morning when you open up that wreck, sometimes you get everything you'd ever hoped for and more, and other times you get coal. There are better ways to make isk, yes, but I find any sort of pvp combat fun. It sounds like there were plenty of other people in local, so the inty pilot probably just wanted to pop anything he could, grab the loot, and get out.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations	Posted - 2007.02.06 01:02:00 - [55] In 0.0 you are either an ally or a enemy, there is no gray area. Flying a hauler thru, ALONE, is brash and asking yourself to get popped. I'm as much of a carebear as the next person, but 0.0 isn't safe by any means. Plus, it's a game, sometimes it's just fun to go out and shoot someone if you had a crappy day. In the words of the terminator:

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