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Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:20:00 - [1] Pre-cursor, by no means is this a rant or whine or anything along those lines, just looking to discuss the reasoning behind ganking "Carebear" and or non military vessles. Today I lost a barge to a crusader who luckily got me.. (I couldnt see all of local on my screen cause there were so many people about and didnt realize untill it was too late) So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. but I lost 1 barge, A standard fit Covetor with tech 1 strips.. Value'ed around 30 million isk, It was 1 ship, got in ganked me and got out. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. My question. What was gained? (I got my pod out, So no time was lost, I simply boarded another barge.) What was lost? (30 mill for ship +Fittings) Possible gain for The Pilot (2 strip miners survived - 6mil?) Thats just the situation. the possibilites.. My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular?
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:24:00 - [2] My question is what purpose did that tank serve?
Spawinte Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:25:00 - [3] easy answer, he did it for fun and to maybe get a little loot. thats why i do it.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:26:00 - [4] Quote: What was gained? For most PvP types, I would hazard the almighty all important kill mail.
Xerpex Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:26:00 - [5] Fun, money, and to hurt you ;)
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:28:00 - [6] simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. RAM is recruiting
KnifeyMcShanker New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:29:00 - [7] Thread delivers.
Kharakan Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:29:00 - [8] Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Kharakan Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. Food does not go in there that hole is exit only! Half Assed Rhymage
Kharakan Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Kharakan Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. Food does not go in there that hole is exit only! You're confusing actual and digital this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer

ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:39:00 - [11] Originally by: dantes inferno simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. ^^ Add: - A whine thread (although this pretends not to be one) - Some fun - Lost production for you / your alliance
Larkonis Trassler Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Neveren So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. LOL what was the tank doing running off liek that? He should have tried to lock him down and wait for help. And on the contrary, you ARE a milatary target. By popping you he has disrupted your alliance, even if a tiny bit, maybe in regards to a 'bigger picture' the OH NOES LOCKDOWN!!!!!! caused by his escapades will have disrupted other miners as they scramble for the docking ports only to return to their feeding grounds when the threat is 10 jumps away. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:19:00 - [13] Edited by: Moghydin on 03/02/2007 23:16:00 Seeing nice explosions is fun Besides, if you're at war with some entity, you'd attack every possible target of that entity, regardless of the fact whether it can shoot back or it can't.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Neveren Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. You absolutely are a military target. What other way is there to defeat your enemies other than to deprive them of their isk, through a combination of depriving them of their isk creation abilities and blowing up their assets? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:24:00 - [15] sorry for youre loss now ill post in general terms make sure to watch local ( obviosuly) watch youre corp intel-alliance intel - PVP channels whatever is common place within youre corp and or alliance most 0.0 alliances operate NBSI so if something comes into local either fit a cloaker to youre barge or nano it up or organise with some corp-alliance mates to assist mining 0.0 solo stuff is high risk at the best of times same goes for low sec and even high sec situational awareness is a big keyword follow that and u should be ok as for whoever killed u killmail, economic damage or just boredom seem the 3 most common reasons
Sharon Lynn	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Neveren I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Why even bother mining? I don't get it, can't be for the isk, there are easier ways to get isk. You do some mining because you like it? No, that's not possible because the lone wolf could also be doing it then because he likes it. But then you would understand why the lone wolf did what he did.... I don't get it, must be the wine
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Neveren My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) first - always keep in mind what you know, and what your agressor knows .. to him it doesn't matter how much you allready mined - he doesn't know it for sure .. so why bother? and even if your loss was minimal - it was still a loss .. you have now one replacement ship less in station Quote: I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? because a. it brings money ... if you fly a interceptor - a gain of 10mio isk in loot is nice - and pays half for the next ship. b. it IS fun - to get in, hit a target (maybe not that hard ... for you a lost bardge might only be noteworthy in the balance check at the end of the month - for others it's quite a setback), and get out in one piece and hopefully with the loot. c. so you want to see more blobs? Quote: Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular? there are no "easy" targets in 0.0 ... there are only targets that make it easy for you (being uncautious is reason #1 for this) .. you're in 0.0 - expect to get shot .. your intention doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is your responsibility to keep yourself safe ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Fubear on 03/02/2007 23:30:59 Blowing people up is fun! It may be hard for a carebear like yourself to understand, but not everybody in this game plays to mine the rocks every minute of every day. In fact quite a few people play this game to fly spaceships and shoot lasers at other peoples spaceships. He blew you up because he could. Its just that simple! PS: Your tank sucked!
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:36:00 - [19] Actually, being that you are in an alliance, anybody at war with you guys would be well served by attacking the industry as much as possible. It disrupts the finances and production capacity with minimal risk. Killing miners all day will have a much greater effect than constantly smashing against the battle-blob. It's much easier to kill a ship while it's still tritanium in somebodies cargo hold than when it's got guns and a pilot.
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Neveren Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. You absolutely are a military target. What other way is there to defeat your enemies other than to deprive them of their isk, through a combination of depriving them of their isk creation abilities and blowing up their assets? Pretty much everything that can be build from the ore you mine is for warfare, of course you are a target.

Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:41:00 - [21] Oh crap, I died. Better write a whine on the forum basically saying the guy who killed me wasted his time. Newsflash, some people like seeing things... ANYTHING... go boom. Live with it.
Running Mann	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:47:00 - [22] The only whiners are the people complaining about this thread, not the original poster, who I believe raises a VERY valid point. In nature, ants can very damn well overpower and eat aphids, but they don't generally do this. Why? Because a personal ***** is better than a personal boast. It's much better to give the miner an offer he can't refuse, especially if he's on his own and you're on your own. Consider the profit lost by blowing the miner, as opposed to offering him "protection" Mafia-style. Instead of blowing up miners, and praying for something to survive the wreckage, make them work for you. You're now a slave trader, not a random vandal like every other hotshot n00b out of the war academy. Make the miner mine for you. You've got tackling gear, right? So he's got two choices: Sit there and let you kill him as he figures you're going to do, or dump his ore into a can. Let him pop out a bunch of cans, then you ferry it back and forth to the station far faster than his hauler can. End result? He's happy he didn't die, he can go on mining and being a constant source of income for you when you catch him again, you get GUARANTEED PROFIT, all at minimum risk. In fact, you can offer him legit protection if you're enterprising enough. Be his guard, and make him earn you the money you'd otherwise just have to get lucky to find. So yes. Good point. It's stupid to kill a lone barge, when you can make him earn you ISK fast and easy.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:48:00 - [23] Most pirates do it for the value of the loot. You say you had 6mil in strip miners fitted on that ship, both of which died. They could have survived. They could have been t2. There are three more slots on that ship that could possibly be fitted with some interesting items. So, how was he to know how much he'd get by destroying your barge? Second, you mention that the local was full. He could have ransomed you, but then what if your corp arrives and tackles him? What if other pirates arrive? He probably did not feel easy enough with his time to attempt it. Third some people like to see explosions. He could have killed you because it gave him pleasure to see yet another explosion on his screen. Fourth, some people like to blow up stuff that belong to others because they can. They feel good when they have power over other players, that they can take away their ships and time. Fifth, some people like to hurt other players in game. He could have killed you to cause you grief. Then you could have sent him a convo or an e-mail that he would have found funny. How is he to know that you can easily replace that barge and not get angry over the kill? Sixth, yet another killmail. So I don't really see a purpose to ask the question that you are asking. There are many answers to illustrate what he had gained, which in one word is: fun. And I am sure that you yourself could come up with at least some of these asnwers if you thought about it.
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:52:00 - [24] ive been informed by my corp of the problem. I did not use the "Correct" Barge.. =( My bad
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:55:00 - [25] Originally by: dantes inferno simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. Yummy yummy yummy carebear blood in my tummy and i feel like loving you.... Not much tastes as good as carebears, especially with all the loggoffski/insta pos warping going on. Only way to stop that is to remove local.. but to be fair thats going to really make life hard for people just trying to do some ratting... next idea is constellation chat WOOORSE than local.. gives the carebear a nice headstart while you lag/warp/jump/search the constellation... tis a hard ballance really.. Oh and yes. Killing carebears is fun. And 6 mil of miners will go a long way towards another ceptor. Also wtf was your tank doing?! shoot back. The guy took 3 of you on by himself and won why?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:06:00 - [26] Killing miners interrupts industrial operations. This has strategic value. It's not just the cost, it's the downtime of replacing the barge/strips, and of course the time spent when everyone docks to avoid the hostile.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Running Mann He's happy he didn't die, he can go on mining and being a constant source of income for you when you catch him again, you get GUARANTEED PROFIT, all at minimum risk. In fact, you can offer him legit protection if you're enterprising enough. Be his guard, and make him earn you the money you'd otherwise just have to get lucky to find. Edit: And yes, it might be hard for a piwat newbie to understand economics, so try reading this post a couple times till it clicks. Cheers! sorry to burst your bubble - it might be hard for a newbie to understand how 0.0 works. no guaranteed profit - you know, you normally can't dock in an outpost (only stations in npc-sovereignity systems are the exception) if you're a roaming interceptor pilot. minimum risk? lmao - you know ... the moment you entered the terretory of an alliance you have to watch your back all the time. the moment you engage something is like a big "here i am!"-sign. guards - why should a roaming interceptor pilot guard a miner, when the people who actually profit from the mining op don't guard him .. read the OP - he said the hauler and the tank (aka guard) got away. .. oh and why should i bother with stuff that needs a hauler and two hours to move to get a few million isk - when i can have in the same time lots of fun and the chance to earn much much more. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.04 02:36:00 - [28] PvP "people" are *****s, they thrive on thinking they are "hurting" someone else. How was that pilot to know you had an extra, cov setup and ready in system? They also thrive off there own egos, they love the idea that they are important or noticed, or even had an impact. The killmail is bragging rights "ooo look at me I went in some system and poped a barge and flew off!!!" its just one of those things. This is also the biggest flaw with ALL pvp oriented games ever, the actual community. To many care about there egos, and "hurting" other people. They find its only fun if they are a detriment to others. Its what so many complain about "carebear" death systems such as WoW, and prefer the more hardkore style death systems like say L2 or EVE. I consider myself a pvpaholic I enjoy the actual fight, and love actual compotition. I hate EVE pvp with a passion because of this, theres just never a "fair" fight. Its either me and my friends dominating or getting dominatied, usually followed with no actual kills or combat since everyone normally runs since the death penalties are so harsh. While the death system in EVE is very important to the economy thats really all EVE is at its heart a giant spread sheet economy and one I enjoy playing. I'm in a "pvp corp" orignally its main focus was more low sec piracy and random empire wars. Lately we've been getting alot more 0.0 focused and I've seen my share of pvp from all the angles, the ganker, the ganki, blob pilot #34538092, and of course *victim. I'm not saying that EVE pvp should be changed but peoples mindsets and ideas. That people with epeens the size of texas should be looked down upon just like an egotistical ***** would in real life. That killing "easy" targets shouldn't be celebrated as grand accomplishments, and that hard fought victories should be the talk of the day. Meh, I'll just keep my skill trains going and play my shooters until something fun comes up on vent
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.04 02:48:00 - [29] If you want to carebear in safety, you need to organize your protection or be fast with warping to a safespot. It up to every alliance, corp, person to decide what they attack and why. We need no consensus in the EVE community that killing barges and industrials is 'immorale' and bad playstyle and that someone has to justify, why he does it. That's just my opinion ofc. That the attacker has had his reason should be enough for you and a reason to adapt your playstyle instead of questioning his playstyle. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Aram Gishno Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.04 03:07:00 - [30] Speaking for myself, any target is a possibly profitable target. In a perfect world I'd fit ship scanners/cargo scanners, and only kill the fat juicy targets, and make huge profits, but we live in an world where those slots are needed for other things. Therefore, see target, try to kill target, check loot, see if loot is worth anything. Of course; he could've asked you "Hi, got any Modulated Strip Miner IIs on there? Perchange a Local Hull Expander or two?" but I really don't think you would've answered truthfully if you did indeed have, would you? The point I'm trying to make is that, attacking non-military ship, even shuttles, can be potentially profitable, those in 0.0 in particular. So, well, he didn't gain very much, but the risk was perceived as low, and the potential was there. Many pilots, pirates included, wait for the "big break" where we will become filthy rich and buy ourselves a Nyx, but while we bide our time, we try to have some fun and PvP a little.



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