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Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:20:00 - [1] Pre-cursor, by no means is this a rant or whine or anything along those lines, just looking to discuss the reasoning behind ganking "Carebear" and or non military vessles. Today I lost a barge to a crusader who luckily got me.. (I couldnt see all of local on my screen cause there were so many people about and didnt realize untill it was too late) So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. but I lost 1 barge, A standard fit Covetor with tech 1 strips.. Value'ed around 30 million isk, It was 1 ship, got in ganked me and got out. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. My question. What was gained? (I got my pod out, So no time was lost, I simply boarded another barge.) What was lost? (30 mill for ship +Fittings) Possible gain for The Pilot (2 strip miners survived - 6mil?) Thats just the situation. the possibilites.. My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular?
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:24:00 - [2] My question is what purpose did that tank serve?
Spawinte Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:25:00 - [3] easy answer, he did it for fun and to maybe get a little loot. thats why i do it.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:26:00 - [4] Quote: What was gained? For most PvP types, I would hazard the almighty all important kill mail.
Xerpex Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:26:00 - [5] Fun, money, and to hurt you ;)
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:28:00 - [6] simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. RAM is recruiting
KnifeyMcShanker New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:29:00 - [7] Thread delivers.
Kharakan Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:29:00 - [8] Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Kharakan Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. Food does not go in there that hole is exit only! Half Assed Rhymage
Kharakan Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Kharakan Probably the killmail. An e-peen's gotta eat, y'know. Food does not go in there that hole is exit only! You're confusing actual and digital this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:39:00 - [11] Originally by: dantes inferno simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. ^^ Add: - A whine thread (although this pretends not to be one) - Some fun - Lost production for you / your alliance
Larkonis Trassler Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Neveren So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. LOL what was the tank doing running off liek that? He should have tried to lock him down and wait for help. And on the contrary, you ARE a milatary target. By popping you he has disrupted your alliance, even if a tiny bit, maybe in regards to a 'bigger picture' the OH NOES LOCKDOWN!!!!!! caused by his escapades will have disrupted other miners as they scramble for the docking ports only to return to their feeding grounds when the threat is 10 jumps away. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:19:00 - [13] Edited by: Moghydin on 03/02/2007 23:16:00 Seeing nice explosions is fun Besides, if you're at war with some entity, you'd attack every possible target of that entity, regardless of the fact whether it can shoot back or it can't.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Neveren Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. You absolutely are a military target. What other way is there to defeat your enemies other than to deprive them of their isk, through a combination of depriving them of their isk creation abilities and blowing up their assets? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:24:00 - [15] sorry for youre loss now ill post in general terms make sure to watch local ( obviosuly) watch youre corp intel-alliance intel - PVP channels whatever is common place within youre corp and or alliance most 0.0 alliances operate NBSI so if something comes into local either fit a cloaker to youre barge or nano it up or organise with some corp-alliance mates to assist mining 0.0 solo stuff is high risk at the best of times same goes for low sec and even high sec situational awareness is a big keyword follow that and u should be ok as for whoever killed u killmail, economic damage or just boredom seem the 3 most common reasons
Sharon Lynn	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Neveren I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Why even bother mining? I don't get it, can't be for the isk, there are easier ways to get isk. You do some mining because you like it? No, that's not possible because the lone wolf could also be doing it then because he likes it. But then you would understand why the lone wolf did what he did.... I don't get it, must be the wine
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Neveren My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) first - always keep in mind what you know, and what your agressor knows .. to him it doesn't matter how much you allready mined - he doesn't know it for sure .. so why bother? and even if your loss was minimal - it was still a loss .. you have now one replacement ship less in station Quote: I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? because a. it brings money ... if you fly a interceptor - a gain of 10mio isk in loot is nice - and pays half for the next ship. b. it IS fun - to get in, hit a target (maybe not that hard ... for you a lost bardge might only be noteworthy in the balance check at the end of the month - for others it's quite a setback), and get out in one piece and hopefully with the loot. c. so you want to see more blobs? Quote: Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular? there are no "easy" targets in 0.0 ... there are only targets that make it easy for you (being uncautious is reason #1 for this) .. you're in 0.0 - expect to get shot .. your intention doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is your responsibility to keep yourself safe ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Fubear on 03/02/2007 23:30:59 Blowing people up is fun! It may be hard for a carebear like yourself to understand, but not everybody in this game plays to mine the rocks every minute of every day. In fact quite a few people play this game to fly spaceships and shoot lasers at other peoples spaceships. He blew you up because he could. Its just that simple! PS: Your tank sucked!
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:36:00 - [19] Actually, being that you are in an alliance, anybody at war with you guys would be well served by attacking the industry as much as possible. It disrupts the finances and production capacity with minimal risk. Killing miners all day will have a much greater effect than constantly smashing against the battle-blob. It's much easier to kill a ship while it's still tritanium in somebodies cargo hold than when it's got guns and a pilot.
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Neveren Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. You absolutely are a military target. What other way is there to defeat your enemies other than to deprive them of their isk, through a combination of depriving them of their isk creation abilities and blowing up their assets? Pretty much everything that can be build from the ore you mine is for warfare, of course you are a target.
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:41:00 - [21] Oh crap, I died. Better write a whine on the forum basically saying the guy who killed me wasted his time. Newsflash, some people like seeing things... ANYTHING... go boom. Live with it.
Running Mann	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:47:00 - [22] The only whiners are the people complaining about this thread, not the original poster, who I believe raises a VERY valid point. In nature, ants can very damn well overpower and eat aphids, but they don't generally do this. Why? Because a personal ***** is better than a personal boast. It's much better to give the miner an offer he can't refuse, especially if he's on his own and you're on your own. Consider the profit lost by blowing the miner, as opposed to offering him "protection" Mafia-style. Instead of blowing up miners, and praying for something to survive the wreckage, make them work for you. You're now a slave trader, not a random vandal like every other hotshot n00b out of the war academy. Make the miner mine for you. You've got tackling gear, right? So he's got two choices: Sit there and let you kill him as he figures you're going to do, or dump his ore into a can. Let him pop out a bunch of cans, then you ferry it back and forth to the station far faster than his hauler can. End result? He's happy he didn't die, he can go on mining and being a constant source of income for you when you catch him again, you get GUARANTEED PROFIT, all at minimum risk. In fact, you can offer him legit protection if you're enterprising enough. Be his guard, and make him earn you the money you'd otherwise just have to get lucky to find. So yes. Good point. It's stupid to kill a lone barge, when you can make him earn you ISK fast and easy.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:48:00 - [23] Most pirates do it for the value of the loot. You say you had 6mil in strip miners fitted on that ship, both of which died. They could have survived. They could have been t2. There are three more slots on that ship that could possibly be fitted with some interesting items. So, how was he to know how much he'd get by destroying your barge? Second, you mention that the local was full. He could have ransomed you, but then what if your corp arrives and tackles him? What if other pirates arrive? He probably did not feel easy enough with his time to attempt it. Third some people like to see explosions. He could have killed you because it gave him pleasure to see yet another explosion on his screen. Fourth, some people like to blow up stuff that belong to others because they can. They feel good when they have power over other players, that they can take away their ships and time. Fifth, some people like to hurt other players in game. He could have killed you to cause you grief. Then you could have sent him a convo or an e-mail that he would have found funny. How is he to know that you can easily replace that barge and not get angry over the kill? Sixth, yet another killmail. So I don't really see a purpose to ask the question that you are asking. There are many answers to illustrate what he had gained, which in one word is: fun. And I am sure that you yourself could come up with at least some of these asnwers if you thought about it.
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:52:00 - [24] ive been informed by my corp of the problem. I did not use the "Correct" Barge.. =( My bad
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:55:00 - [25] Originally by: dantes inferno simple logic 1)by killing you lost = nothing gained = possible 6 mil + kill mail you lost 30 mil 2)if he let you go lost = nothing gained = nothing you lost = nothing so given the choice of the 2 which would you pick??? i know i would pick 1 without a second thought. Yummy yummy yummy carebear blood in my tummy and i feel like loving you.... Not much tastes as good as carebears, especially with all the loggoffski/insta pos warping going on. Only way to stop that is to remove local.. but to be fair thats going to really make life hard for people just trying to do some ratting... next idea is constellation chat WOOORSE than local.. gives the carebear a nice headstart while you lag/warp/jump/search the constellation... tis a hard ballance really.. Oh and yes. Killing carebears is fun. And 6 mil of miners will go a long way towards another ceptor. Also wtf was your tank doing?! shoot back. The guy took 3 of you on by himself and won why?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:06:00 - [26] Killing miners interrupts industrial operations. This has strategic value. It's not just the cost, it's the downtime of replacing the barge/strips, and of course the time spent when everyone docks to avoid the hostile.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Running Mann He's happy he didn't die, he can go on mining and being a constant source of income for you when you catch him again, you get GUARANTEED PROFIT, all at minimum risk. In fact, you can offer him legit protection if you're enterprising enough. Be his guard, and make him earn you the money you'd otherwise just have to get lucky to find. Edit: And yes, it might be hard for a piwat newbie to understand economics, so try reading this post a couple times till it clicks. Cheers! sorry to burst your bubble - it might be hard for a newbie to understand how 0.0 works. no guaranteed profit - you know, you normally can't dock in an outpost (only stations in npc-sovereignity systems are the exception) if you're a roaming interceptor pilot. minimum risk? lmao - you know ... the moment you entered the terretory of an alliance you have to watch your back all the time. the moment you engage something is like a big "here i am!"-sign. guards - why should a roaming interceptor pilot guard a miner, when the people who actually profit from the mining op don't guard him .. read the OP - he said the hauler and the tank (aka guard) got away. .. oh and why should i bother with stuff that needs a hauler and two hours to move to get a few million isk - when i can have in the same time lots of fun and the chance to earn much much more. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.04 02:36:00 - [28] PvP "people" are *****s, they thrive on thinking they are "hurting" someone else. How was that pilot to know you had an extra, cov setup and ready in system? They also thrive off there own egos, they love the idea that they are important or noticed, or even had an impact. The killmail is bragging rights "ooo look at me I went in some system and poped a barge and flew off!!!" its just one of those things. This is also the biggest flaw with ALL pvp oriented games ever, the actual community. To many care about there egos, and "hurting" other people. They find its only fun if they are a detriment to others. Its what so many complain about "carebear" death systems such as WoW, and prefer the more hardkore style death systems like say L2 or EVE. I consider myself a pvpaholic I enjoy the actual fight, and love actual compotition. I hate EVE pvp with a passion because of this, theres just never a "fair" fight. Its either me and my friends dominating or getting dominatied, usually followed with no actual kills or combat since everyone normally runs since the death penalties are so harsh. While the death system in EVE is very important to the economy thats really all EVE is at its heart a giant spread sheet economy and one I enjoy playing. I'm in a "pvp corp" orignally its main focus was more low sec piracy and random empire wars. Lately we've been getting alot more 0.0 focused and I've seen my share of pvp from all the angles, the ganker, the ganki, blob pilot #34538092, and of course *victim. I'm not saying that EVE pvp should be changed but peoples mindsets and ideas. That people with epeens the size of texas should be looked down upon just like an egotistical ***** would in real life. That killing "easy" targets shouldn't be celebrated as grand accomplishments, and that hard fought victories should be the talk of the day. Meh, I'll just keep my skill trains going and play my shooters until something fun comes up on vent
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.04 02:48:00 - [29] If you want to carebear in safety, you need to organize your protection or be fast with warping to a safespot. It up to every alliance, corp, person to decide what they attack and why. We need no consensus in the EVE community that killing barges and industrials is 'immorale' and bad playstyle and that someone has to justify, why he does it. That's just my opinion ofc. That the attacker has had his reason should be enough for you and a reason to adapt your playstyle instead of questioning his playstyle. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Aram Gishno Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.04 03:07:00 - [30] Speaking for myself, any target is a possibly profitable target. In a perfect world I'd fit ship scanners/cargo scanners, and only kill the fat juicy targets, and make huge profits, but we live in an world where those slots are needed for other things. Therefore, see target, try to kill target, check loot, see if loot is worth anything. Of course; he could've asked you "Hi, got any Modulated Strip Miner IIs on there? Perchange a Local Hull Expander or two?" but I really don't think you would've answered truthfully if you did indeed have, would you? The point I'm trying to make is that, attacking non-military ship, even shuttles, can be potentially profitable, those in 0.0 in particular. So, well, he didn't gain very much, but the risk was perceived as low, and the potential was there. Many pilots, pirates included, wait for the "big break" where we will become filthy rich and buy ourselves a Nyx, but while we bide our time, we try to have some fun and PvP a little.
EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:16:00 - [31] What was gained? fun you have to remember EVE is a game, yes, that's right, a game where people shoot people. Why do people shoot each other in CS? in Battlefield? in any other games for that matter? do they get isk everytime they kill someone or do they just get score++ on the board until the next round? this game isn't all about money and griefing you know.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:23:00 - [32] I would shoot you up so you couldn't mine another 100k in zyd as easily as the first. Like somebody said above me, much easier to blow ships up while they are still trit in sombody's cargo hold than when they are built, and have fittings and a pilot in them.
NeoNeTiC Die Diener Melkors	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:59:00 - [33] Well, I for one attack hostile (in NBSI-regions neutral) barges and miners for a few reasons: They're normally easy targets (even in full-grown 0.0-mining-ops) and therefore lead to more quick loot. (Warp in, shoot them down first, before everyone uses the mighty power of fully-stabbed-ships to escape - and loot them afterwards. Wrecks luckily can't fit stabs and warp away ) -> Less PvE-grinding to afford a new ship once my current one goes pop ^_^ They might even drop some valuable loot (imagine Modulated Strip Miner IIs or even Gist-boosters, a common item on Exhumers). Even 3-6mill are worth 10-20 seconds of work. If they're close to the corp HQ the killing allows the full-grown carebears in my corp to mine the ore in the future. More profit for the corp -> More profit for me Engaging the "helpless" might trigger some kind of PvP-reaction by the victims' corporation, thus leading to more fighting, sometimes even fun and beyond blobbing and chasing me around - I like PvP. And now a more personal reason: I'm occasionally RPing a wicked psychotic flying through space and acting weird. (unless in corp-chat - they don't like that ) Random acts of violence add more depth to my character. Well, probalby not - but it's more fun I once thought quite like you do, dear OP - but the dark side offered me cookies, a free pleasure hub lifetime-membership and lots of delicious smack in local, boosting my ego. Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Grieflabs
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Neveren Pre-cursor, by no means is this a rant or whine or anything along those lines, just looking to discuss the reasoning behind ganking "Carebear" and or non military vessles. Today I lost a barge to a crusader who luckily got me.. (I couldnt see all of local on my screen cause there were so many people about and didnt realize untill it was too late) So The hauler and the Tank got out without flaw or problems.. but I lost 1 barge, A standard fit Covetor with tech 1 strips.. Value'ed around 30 million isk, It was 1 ship, got in ganked me and got out. Now being Im not really a military target, I was easy pickings ok. My question. What was gained? (I got my pod out, So no time was lost, I simply boarded another barge.) What was lost? (30 mill for ship +Fittings) Possible gain for The Pilot (2 strip miners survived - 6mil?) Thats just the situation. the possibilites.. My thing is why? You did not hurt me, I had already mined 100k zyd before being ganked today so im by no means financially hurt, I was not really set out any time being have backup ships In station(insystem) I guess my overall question is, Why even bother doing random lonewolf stuff? to gank a unaware carebear.. who has pretty much no financial issues ? Anyways, Just figured id make a post maybe people would like to Discuss such as the random ganking of easy targets in 0.0? miners in particular? As an alliance fighter for IRON/D2 I have to say that if you're nuetral and in hostile space, you're hostile. I will kill and destroy your ** no matter what you plead. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.04 07:12:00 - [35] so the OP thinks that his enemies should warp into belt and see them mining and say "ooh sorry, ill wait until you are finished mining and is in a combat ship" this thread delivers. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Soraya Silvermoon Langoliers	Posted - 2007.02.04 07:43:00 - [36] Some play monopoly and are kind and lend eachother money. Some play monopoly to win and by the rules. You dont seriously think there will be only the first type of ppl in a mmo?
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.04 08:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Neveren My thing is why? Because they can. /Ben How to fix Eve
essex girl	Posted - 2007.02.04 08:43:00 - [38] My mains character is part of a corp that in times of boredom wardecs whole corps of carebears in empire just for something to do. We Dec them they fight for a couple of days lose a few frigates and cruisers we play fair with ship sizes (mostly) and they hide after a couple of days we retract. Then we go back to doing whatever we do when not beating up on carebears. Argueably its more "pointless" that blowing up an alliance barge in the alliances own space. But equally its still watching a few cheap ships blow up. Usually they take some lessons away from it and we get a few kill mails.
Lyn30101	Posted - 2007.02.04 09:15:00 - [39] Originally by: NeoNeTiC Well, I for one attack hostile (in NBSI-regions neutral) barges and miners for a few reasons: They're normally easy targets (even in full-grown 0.0-mining-ops) and therefore lead to more quick loot. (Warp in, shoot them down first, before everyone uses the mighty power of fully-stabbed-ships to escape - and loot them afterwards. Wrecks luckily can't fit stabs and warp away ) -> Less PvE-grinding to afford a new ship once my current one goes pop ^_^ They might even drop some valuable loot (imagine Modulated Strip Miner IIs or even Gist-boosters, a common item on Exhumers). Even 3-6mill are worth 10-20 seconds of work. If they're close to the corp HQ the killing allows the full-grown carebears in my corp to mine the ore in the future. More profit for the corp -> More profit for me Engaging the "helpless" might trigger some kind of PvP-reaction by the victims' corporation, thus leading to more fighting, sometimes even fun and beyond blobbing and chasing me around - I like PvP. And now a more personal reason: I'm occasionally RPing a wicked psychotic flying through space and acting weird. (unless in corp-chat - they don't like that ) Random acts of violence add more depth to my character. Well, probalby not - but it's more fun I once thought quite like you do, dear OP - but the dark side offered me cookies, a free pleasure hub lifetime-membership and lots of delicious smack in local, boosting my ego. Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Grieflabs At least you're honest about your need for epeen. Gotta give you that much. I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. ------ Sub ends Feb 13. No you can't have my stuff, why should I reward bullies and phishers?
Destr0math Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:01:00 - [40] for fun AND for profit!!! what's to lose?!
Syril Mert Serenity Technology	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Lyn30101 Originally by: NeoNeTiC At least you're honest about your need for epeen. Gotta give you that much. I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. Who said he had already won? I read the op post and it said the tank ran away. The tank could have engaged and called for backup. Part of the charm of 0.0 is that you never know whats waiting for you. How do you know that while you are busy killing the barge a 40 man interceptor gang isn't on it's way to gank you? How do you know that the barge pilots friends aren't going to grow some balls and fight back? It's also not only about epeen. Wars in 0.0 are usually economic wars. It's not the one that is more "honorable" that wins, it's the one that can build most ships and deny the enemy their income that wins the war and gets to stay in 0.0. Wars in eve has meaning and can lead to gameplay changes for the people playing. I wish you luck in finding an MMO where killing other players is meaningless.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 04/02/2007 10:21:31 Originally by: Lyn30101 I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won, (your enemy has no fighting chance and only a marginal running chance) So take a moment, visualize it in your head, and go look for something to actuallly fight. This doesn't seem to compute in EVE pvp though. Oh well, here's hoping I find a space mmo with a little less grief/schoolyard bully pvp. EVE PvP is not about duels of some "knights in a shiny armor" ... it's about warfare. don't look at it like the meaning of a fight lies only in the fight itself. it's a big strategy game - what this guy in the barge encountered was not PvP for honor. it was PvP in the sense of "raiding the base of your opponent while his forces are distracted" ... you can describe it this way - you're playing a big space based strategy game. but unliky o-game and others you're not the leader, but one of the countless "minions" fighting for a "greater good". ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:12:00 - [43] What a strange thread. firstly you seem to be suggesting that when someone kills another person they are doing so to make them lose isk or training time for skills if they pod them or otherwise hurt them. this is rarely the case. 99% of ppl who kill everything they come across like him do it for a. fun. killing anything is fun i don't care how small it is. b. earning isk. even 6 mil adds up and after a few kills like that he can replace his ship when he loses it. also for all he knew you may have had t2 strips which sell for a pretty penny. and there is no c really it's for those 2 reasons. i have to think that you have ont pvp'd much in eve tbh. anyone who has been on a ganking spree just killing everything in ur path without care would not need to ask this question. DE
Silane Daktor Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:18:00 - [44] Edited by: Silane Daktor on 04/02/2007 16:15:39 To the OP- why do you mine for hours on end? For the end product, right? Same as people who blow stuff up. I could start a thread on how I don't get that people can sit there and mine for hours. But I just accept people do. So, accept that there are those of us who like to blow stuff up or ransom people. Why? Because it's fun and we earn a living like that.
Nylian Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.04 18:49:00 - [45] I do it for the pretty lights and explosions, I pod for the squishy sound. :D And usually, at least to me, the more expensive the ship, the better the explosion. :) ________________________________________________ In the great search for perfection, one must be imperfect.
Mr Bondy The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.04 22:40:00 - [46] Oh nav.... is such an obvious reason, they popped you because you weren't mining veld... how many times do I have to tell you.. tut tut On a serious note - its risk free PvP basically - and there is a pretty decent chance of a hardcore miner like you dropping good loot. Expanders, T2 strips, Gist tank (exhumers) P.S - drop me a convo ingame sometime, been along time mate
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:52:00 - [47] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 05/02/2007 13:50:12 Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 05/02/2007 13:49:13 People do it for the explosion, and for the possibility of tech II strips. It's kind of a shame, as a tech I strip barge is worth a lot more ransomed than dead. As there's no way for people to tell what you're fitted with without wasting a slot, people will usually make you explode. A lot of people will just make you explode anyway, just on general principles or to relieve boredom. You have the right idea mining in a covetor with tech I strips. You just gotta accept that people will gank you every now and then. Often hurts to lose a ship but it's to be expected tbh. Also, if it was a solo inty tech II lights and a few mods can sometimes make a decent fight of it.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Lyn30101 I look at a situation like that as more than a little lame. When you warped in, you know that first second you've already won You don't. You really, really don't. Here are some things that could happen: 1) Corpmate/alt in ecm ship warps into belt. Attacker has to leave. 2) Random warps into belt. Probably attacks inty first. Barge gets chance to leave. 3) Barge logs off (exploit imho, but it happens) 4) Corpmate/alt in combat ship warps into belt. Inty explodes. 5) Barge has some pvp mods and puts up a fight, might even win. 6) Barge is getting up to speed because he's scanned inty coming out of warp. Barge escapes. 7) Barge is attacked by slower ship than inty and is some distance from warp in point. Escapes. 8) Barge is ganked, corpmates/allies of barge pilot respond and chase and kill inty. Barge pilot gets his surviving stuff back, possibly plus the loot from the inty. 9) Etc... As victory in this situation is just for the barge to escape, it has plenty chances. Also, if you make substantially more than you lose, does it really matter if you lose some ships now and then? Wouldn't it be boring without events like that?
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:54:00 - [49] Edited by: Salusa VC on 05/02/2007 14:53:07 First mistake was letting your tank go. You now present a zero risk target for the Crusdaer pilot. The chance of 6 million ISK return for zero risk is better than nothing
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Salusa VC on 05/02/2007 14:53:07 First mistake was letting your tank go. You now present a zero risk target for the Crusdaer pilot. The chance of 6 million ISK return for zero risk is better than nothing
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:21:00 - [51] I think it was eris who once said PEW PEW! -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
Zensige The . Forsaken	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:55:00 - [52] The crusader pilot was obviously being friendly and giving you a free make over!
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:02:00 - [53] you sy he had nothing to gain because you only had a t1 fit.. For all he knew you coulda been totally fitted out with t2 crystals and faction fittings. plus it was fun for him, and a great rush. My advice...get a better tank
Kery Syander Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:20:00 - [54] I just shoot everything I can until my mail icon flashes. I love getting killmails. I tried shooting rats and stations and stargates, but those don't seem to send me mail. I don't check the loot or even read the killmails, I just like to get mail, ya know? I pew pew for the blinky blinky. [/sarcasm] Seriously, all the clueless carebears posting here saying that 'pvpers are lame and only care about KMs and their e-peen' need to get a friggin' clue. I play EVE because it's fun. The way I have the most fun in EVE is by hunting things down and killing them. I assume that people who mine all day are doing that because it's fun. I don't presume to tell those people why they are doing what they are doing or if I perceive it as wrong. I simply accept you as you are... a miner, or a mission runner, or whatever. I don't friggin' care. You play the game your way, and I'll play the game my way. We'll both have fun and not criticize what the other person has chosen to do. Deal? To the OP, when roaming around solo in my interceptor, I would attack a mining op because targets are typically few and far between, and I get a rush when I'm warping into a belt where some juicy targets are sitting. Maybe the barge has T2 strips, and maybe it doesn't. It's like Christmas morning when you open up that wreck, sometimes you get everything you'd ever hoped for and more, and other times you get coal. There are better ways to make isk, yes, but I find any sort of pvp combat fun. It sounds like there were plenty of other people in local, so the inty pilot probably just wanted to pop anything he could, grab the loot, and get out.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations	Posted - 2007.02.06 01:02:00 - [55] In 0.0 you are either an ally or a enemy, there is no gray area. Flying a hauler thru, ALONE, is brash and asking yourself to get popped. I'm as much of a carebear as the next person, but 0.0 isn't safe by any means. Plus, it's a game, sometimes it's just fun to go out and shoot someone if you had a crappy day. In the words of the terminator:

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