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Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:34:00 - [1] Seems fairly simple to me. People keep saying they would like to see more people out of the noob corps and into the rest of eve. Why do noob corps pay 0% tax? Seems such a gigantic corp would need to be charging a bit of tax if you ask me. Personally I dont know of many player corps in the game that operate on 0% tax. For the benifit of complete anti war protection seems a tax of 30% would be fair if you ask me. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Fauza	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:35:00 - [2] This has been suggested in a lot of other threads
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.04 04:39:00 - [3] yah but those others didn't have my name in them. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
MataSanos	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:11:00 - [4] ok Allen Deckard how much u pay me to join in your corp
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:23:00 - [5] Originally by: MataSanos ok Allen Deckard how much u pay me to join in your corp In soviet russia you pay corp. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Haffrage Less than Ideal	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:27:00 - [6] Explain how this protects the miners, though. I highly doubt CCP will EVER implement a sales tax based on the corporation you're in. -----
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:27:00 - [7] Or you could just have all the amarr corps war dec the minmatar ones, and caldari dec the Gallente ones. /sarcasm ------------- Midshipman Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:40:00 - [8] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 04/02/2007 05:38:01 Seems simple but it isn't. First they would have to point out the tax to the noob, in the tutorial, because most noobs won't realize the downside to staying in the newbie corp unless it's told to them. I don't think the tutorial talks about taxes much (maybe I'm wrong). Second, player corps would have to increase their recruitment drives to grab all the newbies that now want to avoid taxes, and I'm not sure how many corps actually are recruiting newbies. "I wanna join a corp but nobody will have me, so I have to pay this unfair tax, what kind of game is this! I try it for a day and it sucks!" Third, those who absolutely want to avoid PvP and wardecs will now have to think about whether the 30% more grind-for-cash-to-offset-the-tax is still worth it for them, or not (and if more grind is not acceptable, and wardecs are also not acceptable, then the only other option is to cancel the account and play something else). Mainly, the problem is that the 30% tax hits the newbies, too, because it's a percentage that applies to newbies too, not just to the rich players that hide inside the newbie corp.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:42:00 - [9] Someone want to tell me why people are whining about NPC corps now? EVE's PVP community is getting more and more like Jahova Witnesses, no matter where I go, they are trying to force me into something I have no real interest in at the moment. PVP is fun? Thats super. Player Corps better than NPC Corps? If you say so. No one want to play with you and you're sad? Well, call me crazy, but when you treat people like ****, no one wants to come out to play. Long story short, take your big brother elsewhere, you don't see me demanding that player corps pay office dues when using empire-based stations. Or that they be banned from empire completely for being, for a lack of better words, a militia.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:53:00 - [10] Shrug, it's a nerf, there would be a 30% tax with no benefits whatsoever. People have been asking for nerfs out of the blue for ages, I don't know why. How about a 30% discount on skill prices while you're in the school? Or, accellerated learning by 30%, how about that? How about a setup, where player corps pay a monthly fee and they get skill discounts for all their members? Or other player-to-NPC tie-ins or benefits, so that when you recruit for your corp, you can tell the newbie all these benefits that your corp will give them right off the bat?
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:56:00 - [11] After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them This is a MMORPG. Player interaction is needed. Ontop of that this is a pvp game. You can still run your missions and go mining in a player corp. All of you that get transfered after 30 days could just form your own massive corp with 0.0% tax and run missions and go mining in peace. How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:59:00 - [12] Originally by: scabbsssjr After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them This is a MMORPG. Player interaction is needed. Ontop of that this is a pvp game. You can still run your missions and go mining in a player corp. All of you that get transfered after 30 days could just form your own massive corp with 0.0% tax and run missions and go mining in peace. How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. Call me crazy, but ******* SHOOT THEM. Thanks for coming.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:02:00 - [13] Edited by: scabbsssjr on 04/02/2007 06:02:40 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: scabbsssjr After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them This is a MMORPG. Player interaction is needed. Ontop of that this is a pvp game. You can still run your missions and go mining in a player corp. All of you that get transfered after 30 days could just form your own massive corp with 0.0% tax and run missions and go mining in peace. How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. Call me crazy, but ******* SHOOT THEM. Thanks for coming. Call me cray but you shoot them, they keep coming, you dec them, they have no where to hide except in stations. A dec is a nice way to prove a point. Using your logic/poor intelligence I am able to reason that since you can shoot people war decs are useless. Edit: Post with your main, if that is your main, maybe you should get off your trail period before expressing "opinions" about this game. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:05:00 - [14] Originally by: scabbsssjr After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them. Only problem then is that if you move all the experienced people out of the Corp channel, and you leave only players who have at the most 29 days of experience playing the game, who's gonna answer all the questions? CCP gonna hire more green-text people to watch the channel? They don't wanna spend the money. Not that the Corp channel is that great, but some questions ARE answered there on a daily basis.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:07:00 - [15] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: scabbsssjr After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them This is a MMORPG. Player interaction is needed. Ontop of that this is a pvp game. You can still run your missions and go mining in a player corp. All of you that get transfered after 30 days could just form your own massive corp with 0.0% tax and run missions and go mining in peace. How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. Call me crazy, but ******* SHOOT THEM. Thanks for coming. Call me cray but you shoot them, they keep coming, you dec them, they have no where to hide except in stations. A dec is a nice way to prove a point. Using your logic/poor intelligence I am able to reason that since you can shoot people war decs are useless. Wardecs are used by insecure corps to make themselves feel big, especially when they are used on corps that are dedicated to mining or have 1/10th the aggressive corps members. If you are looking for sympathy for your broken system, its not going to happen.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:08:00 - [16] Edited by: scabbsssjr on 04/02/2007 06:04:57 Originally by: Letouk Mernel Originally by: scabbsssjr After 30 days of being in eve, a player is moved into the apporpirate noob corp (like when you leave a corp). That corp can have a 30% tax. By than a newbie can understand a tax (on everything from trading to reprocessing). By than some corps may accept them. Only problem then is that if you move all the experienced people out of the Corp channel, and you leave only players who have at the most 29 days of experience playing the game, who's gonna answer all the questions? CCP gonna hire more green-text people to watch the channel? They don't wanna spend the money. Not that the Corp channel is that great, but some questions ARE answered there on a daily basis. Last I check their was a channel that all new recruits had open every time they logged in (not just corp chat). Make that channel appear on a memeber of the older than 30 day corps, once they close it, its gone tell they say open it. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:11:00 - [17] Originally by: scabbsssjr ...How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. How fair is it that a wealthy, experienced, large corp can war dec' a small, noobie corp on a whim... just for fun... and gank them with impunity in high sec Empire? You want fair... AND non-consensual PvP? Sorry, the two are mutually exclusive.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:13:00 - [18] I understand, but everyone talks in Corp, not Help. The tutorial makes you say "hi" in Corp or Local. Help is optional, Corp cannot be closed, and it usually the first place where they ask questions. Eh, anyway, they also have the forums I suppose.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Some alt who won't post with his main or 8 day old noob who thinks he owns eve talking The war dec system is fine. This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If those corps are as shallow as you say they are, maybe if the miners fought back they could cause that shallow corp to cave in, and at the same time the miners find something else fun. Your remark is as dumb as saying "I should be allowed to go mining in any alliances area and not be shot at because I do not want to be" Big words from an alt or noob. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:15:00 - [20] discussions btoh ways might discourage macro miners in NPC corps is about it
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:15:00 - [21] Whats wrong with n00b corps? Story wise these corps are supposed to be HUGE (hell they basicly own empire space). Is there any harm in someone being in a n00b corp? Does it hinder your game play? Will adding a tax remove n00b corp scouting alts, not really since all they do is fly shuttles or nub frigs and as far as I know thats the only real reason to dislike the n00b corps.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: scabbsssjr ...How is it fair that noob pirates can hide in NPC corps and go kill indys and barges and they can't be decked? How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Its not. How fair is it that a wealthy, experienced, large corp can war dec' a small, noobie corp on a whim... just for fun... and gank them with impunity in high sec Empire? You want fair... AND non-consensual PvP? Sorry, the two are mutually exclusive. Its fair because the small corp can war dec them. It should be fair both ways, npc corp players operate with FULL IMPUNITY from war decs/taxes. Did you know I was in a corp with a bunch of other new people for 2+ months with not a single war dec? These war decs by larger corps happen. Shoot them back, go out in frigs and have fun for the week of the war. If they see your having fun, they will more than likely give up. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:22:00 - [23] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Derovius Vaden Some alt who won't post with his main or 8 day old noob who thinks he owns eve talking The war dec system is fine. This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If those corps are as shallow as you say they are, maybe if the miners fought back they could cause that shallow corp to cave in, and at the same time the miners find something else fun. Your remark is as dumb as saying "I should be allowed to go mining in any alliances area and not be shot at because I do not want to be" Big words from an alt or noob. This is my main, or rather my only character; I've played since beta, and avoided player vs. player because the losses well outweigh the gains. Now stop crying to me how you have to sacrifice to maintain control on your territories by aggro'ing concord because someone is "touching your stuff". I play the game how I want, you play how you want, and don't think that your opinion about my methods are somehow important; it only brings about disappointment.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:22:00 - [24] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 04/02/2007 06:20:16 Originally by: scabbsssjr This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If you look at where the majority of the player base chooses to stay, I would say that what draws most people to this game possibly isn't PVP. If CCP ever decided to do an exercise whereby they announced they would restrict PVP even more, I'd guess that they'd get MORE people to join the game. Whoever "claimed" that lowsec system is working against game mechanics that say lowsec systems aren't claimable. Miner has to survive the pirate attack, wardecs would just allow the pirate to not lose any faction for attacking. If you wanna avoid sec loss, do it by stealing from his can.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:23:00 - [25] Originally by: DunNa Whats wrong with n00b corps? Story wise these corps are supposed to be HUGE (hell they basicly own empire space). Is there any harm in someone being in a n00b corp? Does it hinder your game play? Will adding a tax remove n00b corp scouting alts, not really since all they do is fly shuttles or nub frigs and as far as I know thats the only real reason to dislike the n00b corps. Being in a noob corp gives you full impunity from war decs/taxes. Those corps can be any size, look at their description, than make an alt in that school. probally a few hundred people in the school while in its description it says HUGE. Their are player corps that have more people in them than some npc corps. This topic is not about noob corp scouts. This topic is about those that hide in noob corps. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Originally by: scabbsssjr This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If you look at where the majority of the player base chooses to stay, I would say that what draws most people to this game possibly isn't PVP. If CCP ever decided to do an exercise whereby they announced they would restrict PVP even more, I'd guess that they'd get MORE people to join the game. Whoever "claimed" that lowsec system is working against game mechanics that say lowsec systems aren't claimable. Miner has to survive the pirate attack, wardecs would just allow the pirate to not lose any faction for attacking. Exactly, they want something for nothing, and god forbid they have to lose something to achieve it! Nothing is stopping them from running into High sec in a mob of kestrels and killing these miners, they just things handed to them, sans crust.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:25:00 - [27] how bout this 3 month grace period when starting after that player is transfered from NPC corp ( without being attacked) to a factinal warfare corp where they can be attacked u force farmers into Player corps or risk getting blown to bits u get a grace period to new players and u also allow players to setup their own 1 man corps easy enough if they dont like it
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Derovius Vaden Some alt who won't post with his main or 8 day old noob who thinks he owns eve talking The war dec system is fine. This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If those corps are as shallow as you say they are, maybe if the miners fought back they could cause that shallow corp to cave in, and at the same time the miners find something else fun. Your remark is as dumb as saying "I should be allowed to go mining in any alliances area and not be shot at because I do not want to be" Big words from an alt or noob. This is my main, or rather my only character; I've played since beta, and avoided player vs. player because the losses well outweigh the gains. Now stop crying to me how you have to sacrifice to maintain control on your territories by aggro'ing concord because someone is "touching your stuff". I play the game how I want, you play how you want, and don't think that your opinion about my methods are somehow important; it only brings about disappointment. Proof or stfu, every newbie claims to be from years ago. I have never had to aggro concord over my area so STFU newbie. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:40:00 - [29] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Derovius Vaden Some alt who won't post with his main or 8 day old noob who thinks he owns eve talking The war dec system is fine. This game is pvp. If a corp wants to go mining all day, why should they be allowed to avoid the exact game mechanics that draws most people to this game? If those corps are as shallow as you say they are, maybe if the miners fought back they could cause that shallow corp to cave in, and at the same time the miners find something else fun. Your remark is as dumb as saying "I should be allowed to go mining in any alliances area and not be shot at because I do not want to be" Big words from an alt or noob. This is my main, or rather my only character; I've played since beta, and avoided player vs. player because the losses well outweigh the gains. Now stop crying to me how you have to sacrifice to maintain control on your territories by aggro'ing concord because someone is "touching your stuff". I play the game how I want, you play how you want, and don't think that your opinion about my methods are somehow important; it only brings about disappointment. Proof or stfu, every newbie claims to be from years ago. I have never had to aggro concord over my area so STFU newbie. Proof? What proof? I was accepted into the Medusa build of EVE beta, I don't have the dl anymore (~4 computer formats later). All accounts were purged, characters deleted. Quote: 2004-08-20 Sale XXXX VISA 14.95 USD First billing date.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.02.04 06:42:00 - [30] Originally by: scabbsssjr How is it fair that some miners in a npc corp can go into a low sec system claimed by another corp and mine their without being deced? Originally by: scabbsssjr I never said that lowsec system was working against game mechanics. CLAIMING a lowsec system, and trying to keep miners out, that is working against game mechanics. If you wanna claim something and keep people out, do it in 0.0, you don't need a wardec there, and there are no penalties. If you wanna "claim" a lowsec system, the penalty is sec loss when you attack. It's not unfair that the miner is hiding in the newbie corp, it's unfair that you want to wardec him for mining in a lowsec system, where just like in high sec, the asteroids are "free" and unclaimable. Your reason for declaring war is unfair. Forcing people out of NPC corps and into player corps makes highsec like 0.0. The safety zone is reduced, PVP is increased. If you look at the MMOG market right now, the effect of reducing safety and increasing PVP is that the playerbase of that game is smaller. I'm not arguing against you, I am just pointing out that CCP hasn't done it already (let's face it, it's been suggested for years) because they're afraid they'll lose players.

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