As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war. I forefeit my privilege of flying round high sec in a freighter on my own and unguarded because of a choice another player has made. Shouldn't that other player be put to some disadvantage due to a decision I make? Especially after making a change to the game for myself without any consent from myself?

As has been stated already, you have plenty of choices if wardec'd... Nobody said you can't fly your transport or freighter: you're choosing NOT to fly it. If someone is sitting outside the station waiting for you and your corpies, use a JC to jump elsewhere and continue your game.

What, you don't have any JCs? So, you're blaming game mechanics because you aren't taking advantage of game mechanics? Cry moar...

OMG STFU you whinning little Btchs.....this is suppose to be a cruel game, you are not safe anywhere....join a pve corp if you dont want to get war decced.


Fkn Tards, go back to WoW ya 12 yo nubs.


BTW...thanks for all the War Dec options :)

No they pay pennies..

If these guys have paid money to fight you, then why don't you just blob the heck out of them. If they refuse to engage, go fleet-run a mission or something. Stay together. Primary stuff. Sure, you'll probably get killed a lot. But you might also learn a thing or two about how to defend yourself. And, just maybe, you could have fun.

OP: Thank you for your tears.

I am sustained and may continue playing for the next month or until I get more tears.

-DT

As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war. I forefeit my privilege of flying round high sec in a freighter on my own and unguarded because of a choice another player has made. Shouldn't that other player be put to some disadvantage due to a decision I make? Especially after making a change to the game for myself without any consent from myself?

This is the trouble though, we're never on at the same time.

He has.. It's called the dec fee. he had to give up iskies for the right to shoot at you. Also, flying around hisec without getting shot is not a privilege. It's a lucky streak. There is no safe space. You could also surrender the war and the fight is over 24 hrs after that.

So.... instead of sitting and playing "woe is me" please do some darn research on game mechanics before gracing us with your next bout of verbal diarrhea.

~Ghost

What I'm hearing is that your corporation bit off much more than it could chew.

So how is his choice not interfering with me? Why can't I interfere with him a little?
And we haven't disbanded yet, having the corp makes things convenient, nice private chat channel, openly share out gear between us, you know, that sort of thing.

But as we have no POS there is nothing for a corp to gain from a war with us.
Meh, I wouldn't even mind not having the corp, providing I could create some sort of shared hanagr.

I simply do not understand.

You're in a player corp. With that comes organizational and tax advantages. It also comes with the ability to be wardecced.

Also, I'm ok with your idea if it doesn't work outside Hisec, and the aggressors can use it too.

Guess who'd gonna learn to logoff before going AFK faster. The Wardec people or the Wardec victims?

What I'm hearing is that your corporation bit off much more than it could chew.

That's pretty much my point, I'd know when he's online because he wouldn't stay signed in all the time.

I was more getting at the fact I hadn't done any biting.

IMO, wardecs are currently broken.

Non-consentual PvP is an important part of EvE, and hisec wardecs are a good idea (even if the current implementation is fail).

The idea to kick a player out of station isn't all that fail.... people can easily log off when in station to stay safe. It would definitely put a disadvantage onto the deccing corp, which is NOT a bad thing. However, a game mechanic that encourages people to log off is a bad idea in general.

CCP's newest theme is war, so I expect they will alter wardec mechanics significantly over the next year. Currently, with corp hopping, and the cheap price of wardecs, the mechanic is broken.

I would think putting out general guidelines on what works, and what fails in the current wardec scheme would be very helpful to CCP.

Working as intended:
Allowing an aggressor corp to wardec any Player corp they want.
The only "safety" from wardecs comes from NPC corps.
Mutual wardecs: RvB is an excellent example of how wardecs work!

Fails:
Corp hopping: The ease at which corps can evade wardecs by jumping to another corp.
Corp hopping: The ease at which aggressors can hop corps to weekend gank.
Price: The price of wardecs is laughably low. There is essentially no cost to wardecs.

Potential (not necessarily good) ideas:

Provide a disadvantage to the aggressing corp. Currently, cost is NOT a disadvantage.
-- Concord can be bought to boot people out of stations in which their corp doesn't hold an office? (Meh)
-- Players can NOT join an aggressing corp during one-sided wardecs? (+1)
-- Additional concord taxes on all rewards and market transactions? (meh)
-- War deccer's get standing penalties to factions based on the wardeccee's standings (i.e., dec a few +10 Amarr mission running corps, and your corp suddenly has -10 faction standings to Amarr, hence amarr police attack in amarr space) (+1, but hard to balance)

Regional/factional Wardecs? Each wardec is limited to a faction's space (Caldari, Amarr, etc)? (+/-)

Corp Life Risk vs Reward:
-- Increase the benefits of being in a player corp vs NPC, and don't allow players to so quickly evade wardecs.
-- Forcing players into unwanted wars needs to be balanced with limits on war duration.

the war dec system is fine. the thing that has to change is u the player. this is eve. this is not WOW. this in not some xbox single player adventure game. this is an MMO where ppl shoot other ppl. u the carebear are not goin to be safe. high sec is not meant to be safe. miners and noobs that want to be safe should play a different game where i cant find them and kill them. those that dec ppl simply because they want easy kills, suck at pvp. u can kill them easy if u think like a human being.

if u cant think then ur ******** and should play WOW since u have no need to think in that game wat so ever. those of u that complain cuz u got dec'ed are babies. grow the **** up, grab ur balls out of the safety deposit box u put them in and deal with it. dont want to fight? then dont undock. simple solution to a simple problem.
OP u just came up with the most ******** suggestion ever. any 1 with **** loads of isk can locate u and kick u from the station as many times as they want. that means if u are in ur fancy mish ship and u want to go take a ****, said person can kick u and kill u followed by pod.
if u dont see the issue with that, i want u to be my first dec once this new system goes though to see how well it works out for u.

******** ppl coming up with ******** solutions. wats next? a screen showing if theres a gate camp on a low sec gate?

I really like the standings idea. A lot of work to get there so a reward of being genuinely costly to dec (in that factions space) doesn't seem unfitting.

Wardecs aren't supposed to be costly. The Dec fee has always been a token amount, and it used to be the same token amount no matter how many outgoing decs were going on.

Why would the factions care about police (and Yulai convention) approved combat happening in their space, anyway?