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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:01:00 -
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Jita is high sec. why not triple concord in the area till it clears out. post a general post like you get entering a plex, stating that any aggressive behavior will result in overwhelming force. so there is no reason for a petition. Go to a mall and see how much security is wandering around.. more people more security. You gotta beef take it elsewhere. easy fix. privateers can camp the outer gates. some times law enforcement should have their own uprising and just clear things out. whether its high sec or low sec. sec is sec. dont like it go to 0.0 where there is NO sec. 
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The Big Sky Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:34:00 -
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Never been to Jita but I guess any plan to fix it is ok.
/signed
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pipvac
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:39:00 -
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Personally I would just let the ingame economics sort it out. I don't think the game needs to be altered.
If people are getting ganked in Jita then the effective cost savings to the individual from a market hub reduces, or costs increase, making it more cost effective to take their business elsewhere. Popularity of Jita falls, lag reduces, etc etc. Supply and demand.
Although the client sync issue remarked by the Privateer above are a perfectly valid tweak to future client versions, any other ingame solution is micro management. Maybe a 'common sense booster' could be made available? Or is that illegal in empire? 
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Katia Tae
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:58:12
Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:57:43
Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:57:07
 Originally by: El'Niaga
I would not establish any non fire zones in EVE.
What would be useful though is that alliances as with corps should be limited in the number of nonmutual wars they can declare. I'd say 3 per corp in the alliance would be plenty.
Personally though I don't ever go to Jita, I actually will pay more not to have to go to Jita.....
I agree 100%.
That is the root cause of gate/station campers in Jita. Why do you think they go to Jita? Because it is the single most popular trade zone and therefore offers the easiest (lag) and plentiful ganking area in the game. A loophole in the game mechanics that is now being exploited to turn empire space into 0.0 space.
IMO, I don't think the devs ever intended wardec's and empire wars turn empire space into 0.0 space.
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr
The Ring of Fire
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:58:00 -
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To The Op :
May the flea's of one thousand space cammels crawl up your rear and fester for eternity you poor delluded carebear.
That is all
Cannibal
p/s ... Signed to Jita being 0.0 !
I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame] |
Cipher7
Acme Technologies Incorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Soumk
Set Jita to 0.0.
/sign
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:20:00 -
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make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills.
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Cipher7
Acme Technologies Incorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills.
Um ships are unlockable when they first undock.
And when you jump through a gate you are cloaked for 30 seconds.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Soumk
Set Jita to 0.0.
That'll solve the lag problem.
/signed
Gives us the right to kill those dirty station campers who only fire upon those who can't fire back.
On top of that, suicide ganking is no longer suicidal, so the pirates get something too 
It's a win-win situation here, CCP - do it!
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Inn0cent Victim
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:40:00 -
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no.
CCPs new release "My Little Pony In Space" Thousands of players cannot wait to run missions, mine and other stuff in a fluffy pink universe of joy and fun. |
Rizlent
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:40:00 -
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I see the people who come up with real ideas and solutions know what is being talked here about the black screen you get when you undock in jita and you become targetable even though you are unable to do anything including "even see the screen"
This is an exploit of game mechanics.
Other comments about care bears and such are either from members of corps who use this lame lag tactics to get free kills against people who can not fight back, or have no idea what the problem is as they have never experienced it.
I think this undocking problem should be called BSOD "Black Screen of Death" as you get a black screen on undocking and then you die.
Say what you like about not going to Jita but really is that the problem solved?
I think you will find the problem is still there, you just want to look the other way. I say bring more gankers to Jita and start killing everyone that undocks from stations and then let the petitions mount up and CCP take notice and do something about the sync between undocking, and then seeing the game screen before you can be locked. If this makes you immune from being locked for 2-3 mins so be it. If you canÆt see the screen when you undock why the hell should you be locked!
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Rizlent
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Yeah well the issue is not that you can wardec its the stupid way in which undocking immunity is handled.
Make undocking synch with the client data. When that data is drawn on the gui then make the ship targettable.
At the moment we have a retarded timer that completely ignores whether the client has loaded or not; this gives fast loads immunity from combat even when they are able to interact with the client but allows slow loaders to be killed if they dont load before the timer runs out.
Nothing to do with war decs and gate camps, everything to do with programming the client session changes.
Thanks so much for this sensible answer
/signed
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HazaMonZo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:25:00 -
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Got to agree with Rizlent and The privateers bloke. This "sitting in jita and camping stations that have a good chance of the black screen of death" Is a very lame tactic only adopted by people that find some kind of pleasure from easy kills. Ive had the same thing happen to me and its very disheartening when you KNOW when you undock, and there is no chance of anyone catching you (I fly a Crow) but you get the "black screen of death" and before you know it you're dead from an easy gank kill in Jita. I have learned from this lesson and try to avoid Jita at all costs but that doesn't mean that CCP shouldn't do something to fix this problem. The privateer bloke has a great idea and i can only hope that CCP reads this thread and considers fixing this obvious exploit (only really used by swines) ;)
My two pence
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Houzukimaru
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rizlent
I see the people who come up with real ideas and solutions know what is being talked here about the black screen you get when you undock in jita and you become targetable even though you are unable to do anything including "even see the screen"
This is an exploit of game mechanics.
Other comments about care bears and such are either from members of corps who use this lame lag tactics to get free kills against people who can not fight back, or have no idea what the problem is as they have never experienced it.
I think this undocking problem should be called BSOD "Black Screen of Death" as you get a black screen on undocking and then you die.
Say what you like about not going to Jita but really is that the problem solved?
I think you will find the problem is still there, you just want to look the other way. I say bring more gankers to Jita and start killing everyone that undocks from stations and then let the petitions mount up and CCP take notice and do something about the sync between undocking, and then seeing the game screen before you can be locked. If this makes you immune from being locked for 2-3 mins so be it. If you canÆt see the screen when you undock why the hell should you be locked!
wow you need to relax  anyways the solution is simple...
-hauler alt and passive tank
-shop other places? I go to rens all the time and its not as bad as people make it out to be.
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Sikozu Prioris
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Posted - 2007.02.07 23:09:00 -
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The solution is simple, if you are war dec'd dont be stupid and buy expensive goods with your char
Create an alt on the same account, with only a few hours of training you can haul a decent amount. With the alt being in a noobie corp n all the only danger is a sucide gank.
Make suicide ganks less of the threat by putting your expensive goods in cargo containers so the ganker cant see them by scanning.
Simple
People Shouldn't Be Afraid of Their Governments
Governments Should Be Afraid of Their People |
Warrio
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Posted - 2007.02.07 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rizlent
Why not ban all forms of Station/Gate Gank Camping in Jita.
Why?
Cause u get these corps that sit at stations and wardec with people so they can fire at them when the come out.
So whatÆs wrong with that?
Well Jita is so laggy sometimes you can die before you even undock from a station (i.e the screen is still black from undocking)
How?
Well just make Jita a no shoot zone so guns donÆt work there.
How?
I donÆt care but im sure itÆs not beyond the realms of programming
Why should they?
Because Jita is a market hub where people go to buy and sell stuff and you have the station/gate from wardec people adding to already existing lag and using the fact there can be some much lag to kill people who donÆt have a chance to do anything about it.
So what?
So people petition (more petitions) to get there items back, and even then donÆt always get "all" their items back.
Why should i care?
Well i donÆt expect you to care as your a prolly one those that camp station in this way using lag as a way to get easy kill.
Thoughts?
Suggestions?
/me puts on his Kevlarà. ItÆs a fire retardant donÆt you know
The only retardant in this thread is you s0n.
Originally by: Elvarien
This is eve we dont want the corp thieves scammers and other "mean" people to disapear. How else will we filter out the retards and stupid people. |
Sir PatrickMoore
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio
The only retardant in this thread is you s0n.
Wow you got some wit, you should post more on other threads |
Felysta Sandorn
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:16:00 -
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Make Jita the first 1.1 sec system! If you even have guns online and loaded, you get CONCORDOKKEN'd...
Either that or don't go there!
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Pholocix
Digital Horizons
Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Make suicide ganks less of the threat by putting your expensive goods in cargo containers so the ganker cant see them by scanning.
Simple
You do realize this won't work? When scanning cargo holds it shows everything in there, regardless if its in a can or not.
Just thought I'd let you know.
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umop 3pisdn
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:27:00 -
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Re-edit your post and put your massive carebear rant back in...
There are NO safe places in eve except in stations, making jita 100% safe will just make things worse not better, you can see war targets in local clear as day so DONT UNDOCK IF THEY ARE THERE.
If you do undock in your badger then you deserve a ganking.
This will not lessen petitions as everyone will just ctrl + q as they leave jita and wait for downtime, then try to make a run for it after and when they die they will claim they dc'd just like they do now everywhere else in eve.
The problem of Jita is one of the few things the Devs are actually trying to deal with.
The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat.
Get out of Jita
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills.
................................what.
People undocking are immune for a long... long time... they cant be targetted/bumped/hurt and then once they do load... they can just hit redock instantly and play docking games with you for hours on end. Joy.
People jumping through gates in 0.0 have around 20-30 seconds of being cloaked to lag, realise they're boned and ctrl + q like the noobs they are.
If you blob in 0.0 you dont need the cheap kill, you have the power of the blob.
A far better suggestion for fixing this crap is to allow smartbombs to go off anywhere again, how many friggin badgers would pile up if you had bomber geddens hanging around Jita 4-4????
problem solved.
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Viktoria Maher
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat.
QFT
The problem with Jita is lag. By having the market hub occupy a constellation (and hence, several server nodes rather than just one) this hopefully will ease the lag.
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Infinity Ziona
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills.
................................what.
People undocking are immune for a long... long time... they cant be targetted/bumped/hurt and then once they do load... they can just hit redock instantly and play docking games with you for hours on end. Joy.
People jumping through gates in 0.0 have around 20-30 seconds of being cloaked to lag, realise they're boned and ctrl + q like the noobs they are.
If you blob in 0.0 you dont need the cheap kill, you have the power of the blob.
A far better suggestion for fixing this crap is to allow smartbombs to go off anywhere again, how many friggin badgers would pile up if you had bomber geddens hanging around Jita 4-4????
problem solved.
Obviously, under certain conditions, the timer runs out during loading and you can be attacked thus the people complaining that they were attacked and killed during the undocking phase.
The Privateering Life |
Mr Mozzie
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.08 11:49:00 -
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Why do people complain about lag in Jita so much?
Jita has some great bargains, if you value the isk and travel time to pick up stuff elsewhere more than you dislike the lag then go to Jita....
I would like to see an end to the exploitation of game mechanics, whether that be by making jita a no fire zone, giving people imunity while they undock or players solving the solution by killing the campers.
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Rizlent
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Re-edit your post and put your massive carebear rant back in...
There are NO safe places in eve except in stations, making jita 100% safe will just make things worse not better, you can see war targets in local clear as day so DONT UNDOCK IF THEY ARE THERE.
If you do undock in your badger then you deserve a ganking.
This will not lessen petitions as everyone will just ctrl + q as they leave jita and wait for downtime, then try to make a run for it after and when they die they will claim they dc'd just like they do now everywhere else in eve.
The problem of Jita is one of the few things the Devs are actually trying to deal with.
The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat.
Get out of Jita
What about if you undock in a crow, a ship that anywhere in empire space can get away from a gank wardec at the station, but this is not the case in Jita due to Lag. It does not matter what ship you undock in.. if you get a black screen when undocking for 30 - 60 secs while you are being locked and killed
ItÆs not a carebear rant its more of a rant of lame pies using game exploits to kill people who are stuck with a BSOD ôBlack Screen of Deathö and are unable to do or see anything while their ship is destroyed and they are podded.
I changed the topic to reflect more about what this is about, making a shoot free zone was just an idea to help more ideas come forth and so far the best idea has been from the privateer about sync the undocking to being able to use the gui.
Dont allow people to lock you until you have a GUI and any control of your ships sounds far to me.
Once you have some control of you ship and can "see" what is going on and then you get targeted and die yes that is fair, but not having a GUI to see or click anything and have no control over the game or your ship and being killed and podded is not fair at all.
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