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Rizlent	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:42:00 - [1] Why not ban all forms of Station/Gate Gank Camping in Jita. Why? Cause u get these corps that sit at stations and wardec with people so they can fire at them when the come out. So whatÆs wrong with that? Well Jita is so laggy sometimes you can die before you even undock from a station (i.e the screen is still black from undocking) How? Well just make Jita a no shoot zone so guns donÆt work there. How? I donÆt care but im sure itÆs not beyond the realms of programming Why should they? Because Jita is a market hub where people go to buy and sell stuff and you have the station/gate from wardec people adding to already existing lag and using the fact there can be some much lag to kill people who donÆt have a chance to do anything about it. So what? So people petition (more petitions) to get there items back, and even then donÆt always get "all" their items back. Why should i care? Well i donÆt expect you to care as your a prolly one those that camp station in this way using lag as a way to get easy kill. Thoughts? Suggestions? /me puts on his Kevlarà. ItÆs a fire retardant donÆt you know
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:50:00 - [2] /signed I doubt anyone would really care. They can camp the outside gates and gank people as they leave. I'm sure the privateers wouldn't mind doing that. (I'm guessing that's who you're talking about... 90% of those hard core pirate's kills come from Jita black screen undockers) ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:52:00 - [3] Although I think it's a flaw that you can be killed before your screen even loads due to lag, I think the suggestion of making it a gun free zone is ridiculous. Your reasoning for doing so is that "it's a market system". That is the reason the PVPers are there in the first place, and they have no less right to be there than those shopping.
Soumk	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:52:00 - [4] Set Jita to 0.0. That'll solve the lag problem.
Nether Haze	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:09:00 - [5] Making jita a no gun zone would totally destroy the entire place.. every trader in the game would swarm there because there would be NO danger, not even a remote one..
Rizlent	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:24:00 - [6] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO /signed I doubt anyone would really care. They can camp the outside gates and gank people as they leave. I'm sure the privateers wouldn't mind doing that. (I'm guessing that's who you're talking about... 90% of those hard core pirate's kills come from Jita black screen undockers) Thank you, I appreciated that someone else out there thinks this as well (if just in part) Originally by: Ab Initio Although I think it's a flaw that you can be killed before your screen even loads due to lag, I think the suggestion of making it a gun free zone is ridiculous. Your reasoning for doing so is that "it's a market system". That is the reason the PVPers are there in the first place, and they have no less right to be there than those shopping. Thank you for your comment, i know not if it is a ridiculous idea or not, i only know that its not fair on people who want to fly to Jita in order to get good value items all in one place should be killed when exiting a station or coming through a gate because the lag is so great you are as good as dead to the gankers waiting for you. Any suggesting to this problem would be welcomed. Originally by: Soumk Set Jita to 0.0. That'll solve the lag problem. I like this idea, not so many people there as the care bears donÆt like 0.0 and also anyone that wanted to gank people in station would now be free targets. I sign this one =p Originally by: Nether Haze Making jita a no gun zone would totally destroy the entire place.. every trader in the game would swarm there because there would be NO danger, not even a remote one.. Maybe, maybe not. If you have any other suggestions that would be great and i welcome any ideas at all. I think almost every trader swarms there anyways (even using alts) if there is danger from a wardec corp. Should everyone have to use alts as there is a fault in the game that allows these gankers to kill you in Jita where in any other system they would not be able to? By using the lag that is there are they using an exploit? I welcome any and all comments, suggestions and ideas.
Fenderson The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:29:00 - [7] the best "fix jita" suggestion i have heard is the idea of a constellation based market. you buy stuff anywhere within the same constellation and it shows up in your station. maybe give it a little time dealy for the sake of realism. In other words, fix Jita by making it so that you dont actually have to go there to get your stuff. got new corp, need new sig. mail me ingame.
Haffrage Less than Ideal	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:30:00 - [8] Quote: Well just make Jita a no shoot zone so guns donÆt work there. I think I was just sick on myself -----
Kerushi Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:34:00 - [9] rotating the station exit point alinged with the gates would be a start using an alt to move stuff also works great declaring a "gun free zone" would just increase the population by a factor of 1000 and suicide ganks by 1000000 as every one undocks with expensive stuff in t1 indies 3x cap rig I hyperion for sale
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:18:00 - [10] Make Empire More Dangerous. Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot
Tempest Kane Amarr The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Soumk Set Jita to 0.0. That'll solve the lag problem. /signed
Nerogen The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:40:00 - [12] ban all war deced players from Jita? Limit how many wardeced players in jita? -------------------------------- Anti-Scam Society
Admai Sket	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:40:00 - [13] As you know, the best Jita fix is STAY THE **** OUT OF JITA!!!!!!! I got my sig snipped again. Can someone make me a new one?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Admai Sket As you know, the best Jita fix is STAY THE ** OUT OF JITA!!!!!!! I wanted to post that but the forums were being all weird again --({O}**)-- You've all been goatse'd! Half Assed Rhymage Always IBTL and IBDS!
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:56:00 - [15] It's pretty simple to fix really. If you're at war, don't get into hauler and fly alone to places that you KNOW folks will be shooting at you. It's getting tired seeing all these "Please don't shoot ME" threads. If you have to go to Jita, then get somebody to escort you and keep an eye outside the station. Why in gods name must the game mechanic change because of what's happening outside ONE station among thousands? It's not like you don't have other options like Rens, Amarr and the OTHER trade hubs.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Nether Haze Making jita a no gun zone would totally destroy the entire place.. every trader in the game would swarm there because there would be NO danger, not even a remote one.. NO danger, not even a remote one. Open your eyes silly. You have to GET there first. If you never leave, you aren't going to get much done. And yes... people can camp gates in highsec. ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
Lefta Al'Ramed	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:11:00 - [17] /die!
Vuulpiyne Minmatar Dissonance Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:24:00 - [18] Frankly I agree with the common sense approach. Stay out of Jita. It and all the other hubs are a royal pain, wartargets or not. I'll personally travel a bit further happily to stay out of ganker infested lagnests. If there's no alternative, use an alt - and don't carry enough in a ship that can be easily enough killed so as to make suicide runs worthwhile. I mean, really. Use discretion. It's easy to be miserable, being happy is tougher - and cooler." - Thom Yorke
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:38:00 - [19] Option 1: STAY OUT OF JITA Option 2: use a freighter Option 3: Buy a bustard from me or buy some other heavilly tanked ship.
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:48:00 - [20] Yeah well the issue is not that you can wardec its the stupid way in which undocking immunity is handled. Make undocking synch with the client data. When that data is drawn on the gui then make the ship targettable. At the moment we have a retarded timer that completely ignores whether the client has loaded or not; this gives fast loads immunity from combat even when they are able to interact with the client but allows slow loaders to be killed if they dont load before the timer runs out. Nothing to do with war decs and gate camps, everything to do with programming the client session changes. The Privateering Life
Hafthor Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2007.02.07 05:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Admai Sket As you know, the best Jita fix is STAY THE ** OUT OF JITA!!!!!!! I agree, going to Jita is just silly. Especially if you are at war with someone. You know theres gonna be insane lag, you know** theres a high probability for running into suicide gankers, why the hell would you want to go there? The prices and availability aren't really all that much better, especially when you figure the risks involved into the equasion. It's not about broken game mechanics, it's about people being stupid. It's like walking around in a big city waving money about and then being surprised when you get pickpocketed. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Tarminic	Posted - 2007.02.07 06:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Yeah well the issue is not that you can wardec its the stupid way in which undocking immunity is handled. Make undocking synch with the client data. When that data is drawn on the gui then make the ship targettable. At the moment we have a retarded timer that completely ignores whether the client has loaded or not; this gives fast loads immunity from combat even when they are able to interact with the client but allows slow loaders to be killed if they dont load before the timer runs out. Nothing to do with war decs and gate camps, everything to do with programming the client session changes. Wow...a response in this thread that proposes a technically sound solution that doesn't involve nerfing pirates, jita, stargates, ships, or erotic dancers. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected]) It's true, I swear.
Kanthras	Posted - 2007.02.07 07:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Yeah well the issue is not that you can wardec its the stupid way in which undocking immunity is handled. Make undocking synch with the client data. When that data is drawn on the gui then make the ship targettable. At the moment we have a retarded timer that completely ignores whether the client has loaded or not; this gives fast loads immunity from combat even when they are able to interact with the client but allows slow loaders to be killed if they dont load before the timer runs out. Nothing to do with war decs and gate camps, everything to do with programming the client session changes. This actually sounds like a really good solution! (and from a Privateer, no less) /signed
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:49:00 - [24] Sigma and Hmm, I've not really tested this in a super-laggy undock, but it is actually possible to set (well of course) but also to ACTIVATE the autopilot while docked, by hotkey only - you'll have to define one first. If you're in something quick-warping like a shuttle or frig, hopefully the autopilot would heave you into warp before they could scram you even while your screen is still black, since the autopilot seems to be driven server-side (works nicely without lag). As said above, I haven't actually tested that in a super-laggy situation, but next time I have to shop something in Jita I will. Maybe someone else already tried this? Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:57:00 - [25] Might be a good idea. While in general there should be no safe havens, if indeed the lag is getting many people killed in Jita due to this, it warrants looking at. And 1 safe system, which doesn't have any agents anymore I think, nor any asteroid belts doesn't ruin the concept of EVE. All it would do is move the ganking out to the gates leading out of Jita in neighbouring systems, which should be equally disruptive and prone to PvP as the current system, but without lag to benefit the camper. -------------- In other news, after careful investigation, the Guiding Hand Social Club concluded that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club was guilty of any wrongdoing.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:14:00 - [26] If jita is too slow for you.. dont go to jita.. simple. Things that make jita better are the last thing this game needs. Wer need less concentrated hubs!!! If at least we had 1 hub for each race.. that would be acceptable.. but jita is plain wrong. The sheer amount of ships right outside 4-4 is the most stupid thing in game. CCP should help gankers to kill that blobs of ships... If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Bugszor Caldari The Redeeming Age	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:17:00 - [27] i've said it before and i'll say it again. GET THE FCK OUT OF JITA! hell i've been playing for 2 and a half years now and i've been in jita once.. in the beginning. never again! its your own choice to go there so STFU and stop whining. and you are talkinga bout the privateers i guess. well if you dont liek it leave your corp and be a solo player. OKTHNXBAI! ------------------------------------ Dont make me bug you... Originally by:* Nex Angelus Perhaps it was a Bugszor
Dermar Cerebar	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:29:00 - [28] Alternative solution:- If you wish to buy in Jita, buy in jita. Place a courier contract up to move the gear 2 jumps out of Jita, wait for your gear to be delivered. If you think someone might then follow that trail, set another courier mission from your delivery point to a second delivery point. There are so many people buzzing in and out of Jita that your contract will be picked up and delivered immediately, because it is free isk for someone... and you dont have to risk a multi million isk ship and the lag, you can just sit there and wait.
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:33:00 - [29] "Any suggesting to this problem would be welcomed." Get a bunch of you who have been dec'd by the Privateers (I assume it's them you're referring to?) together and camp the station Hire some mercs to camp the station
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Tempest Kane Originally by: Soumk Set Jita to 0.0. That'll solve the lag problem. /signed /signed Oh please just for a few days it would be fun Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Saibotek	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:01:00 - [31] Jita is high sec. why not triple concord in the area till it clears out. post a general post like you get entering a plex, stating that any aggressive behavior will result in overwhelming force. so there is no reason for a petition. Go to a mall and see how much security is wandering around.. more people more security. You gotta beef take it elsewhere. easy fix. privateers can camp the outer gates. some times law enforcement should have their own uprising and just clear things out. whether its high sec or low sec. sec is sec. dont like it go to 0.0 where there is NO sec.
Gealbhan Caldari The Big Sky Corp	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:34:00 - [32] Never been to Jita but I guess any plan to fix it is ok. /signed
pipvac	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:39:00 - [33] Personally I would just let the ingame economics sort it out. I don't think the game needs to be altered. If people are getting ganked in Jita then the effective cost savings to the individual from a market hub reduces, or costs increase, making it more cost effective to take their business elsewhere. Popularity of Jita falls, lag reduces, etc etc. Supply and demand. Although the client sync issue remarked by the Privateer above are a perfectly valid tweak to future client versions, any other ingame solution is micro management. Maybe a 'common sense booster' could be made available? Or is that illegal in empire?
Katia Tae Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:58:12 Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:57:43 Edited by: Katia Tae on 07/02/2007 13:57:07 Originally by: El'Niaga I would not establish any non fire zones in EVE. What would be useful though is that alliances as with corps should be limited in the number of nonmutual wars they can declare. I'd say 3 per corp in the alliance would be plenty. Personally though I don't ever go to Jita, I actually will pay more not to have to go to Jita..... I agree 100%. That is the root cause of gate/station campers in Jita. Why do you think they go to Jita? Because it is the single most popular trade zone and therefore offers the easiest (lag) and plentiful ganking area in the game. A loophole in the game mechanics that is now being exploited to turn empire space into 0.0 space. IMO, I don't think the devs ever intended wardec's and empire wars turn empire space into 0.0 space.
Masochistic Cannibal Amarr The Ring of Fire	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:58:00 - [35] To The Op : May the flea's of one thousand space cammels crawl up your rear and fester for eternity you poor delluded carebear. That is all Cannibal p/s ... Signed to Jita being 0.0 ! I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame]
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Soumk Set Jita to 0.0. /sign
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:20:00 - [37] make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills.
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills. Um ships are unlockable when they first undock. And when you jump through a gate you are cloaked for 30 seconds.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Soumk Set Jita to 0.0. That'll solve the lag problem. /signed Gives us the right to kill those dirty station campers who only fire upon those who can't fire back. On top of that, suicide ganking is no longer suicidal, so the pirates get something too It's a win-win situation here, CCP - do it!
Inn0cent Victim	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:40:00 - [40] no. CCPs new release "My Little Pony In Space" Thousands of players cannot wait to run missions, mine and other stuff in a fluffy pink universe of joy and fun.
Rizlent	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:40:00 - [41] I see the people who come up with real ideas and solutions know what is being talked here about the black screen you get when you undock in jita and you become targetable even though you are unable to do anything including "even see the screen" This is an exploit of game mechanics. Other comments about care bears and such are either from members of corps who use this lame lag tactics to get free kills against people who can not fight back, or have no idea what the problem is as they have never experienced it. I think this undocking problem should be called BSOD "Black Screen of Death" as you get a black screen on undocking and then you die. Say what you like about not going to Jita but really is that the problem solved? I think you will find the problem is still there, you just want to look the other way. I say bring more gankers to Jita and start killing everyone that undocks from stations and then let the petitions mount up and CCP take notice and do something about the sync between undocking, and then seeing the game screen before you can be locked. If this makes you immune from being locked for 2-3 mins so be it. If you canÆt see the screen when you undock why the hell should you be locked!
Rizlent	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Yeah well the issue is not that you can wardec its the stupid way in which undocking immunity is handled. Make undocking synch with the client data. When that data is drawn on the gui then make the ship targettable. At the moment we have a retarded timer that completely ignores whether the client has loaded or not; this gives fast loads immunity from combat even when they are able to interact with the client but allows slow loaders to be killed if they dont load before the timer runs out. Nothing to do with war decs and gate camps, everything to do with programming the client session changes. Thanks so much for this sensible answer /signed
HazaMonZo	Posted - 2007.02.07 21:25:00 - [43] Got to agree with Rizlent and The privateers bloke. This "sitting in jita and camping stations that have a good chance of the black screen of death" Is a very lame tactic only adopted by people that find some kind of pleasure from easy kills. Ive had the same thing happen to me and its very disheartening when you KNOW when you undock, and there is no chance of anyone catching you (I fly a Crow) but you get the "black screen of death" and before you know it you're dead from an easy gank kill in Jita. I have learned from this lesson and try to avoid Jita at all costs but that doesn't mean that CCP shouldn't do something to fix this problem. The privateer bloke has a great idea and i can only hope that CCP reads this thread and considers fixing this obvious exploit (only really used by swines) ;) My two pence
Houzukimaru World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.07 22:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Rizlent I see the people who come up with real ideas and solutions know what is being talked here about the black screen you get when you undock in jita and you become targetable even though you are unable to do anything including "even see the screen" This is an exploit of game mechanics. Other comments about care bears and such are either from members of corps who use this lame lag tactics to get free kills against people who can not fight back, or have no idea what the problem is as they have never experienced it. I think this undocking problem should be called BSOD "Black Screen of Death" as you get a black screen on undocking and then you die. Say what you like about not going to Jita but really is that the problem solved? I think you will find the problem is still there, you just want to look the other way. I say bring more gankers to Jita and start killing everyone that undocks from stations and then let the petitions mount up and CCP take notice and do something about the sync between undocking, and then seeing the game screen before you can be locked. If this makes you immune from being locked for 2-3 mins so be it. If you canÆt see the screen when you undock why the hell should you be locked! wow you need to relax anyways the solution is simple... -hauler alt and passive tank -shop other places? I go to rens all the time and its not as bad as people make it out to be.
Sikozu Prioris	Posted - 2007.02.07 23:09:00 - [45] The solution is simple, if you are war dec'd dont be stupid and buy expensive goods with your char Create an alt on the same account, with only a few hours of training you can haul a decent amount. With the alt being in a noobie corp n all the only danger is a sucide gank. Make suicide ganks less of the threat by putting your expensive goods in cargo containers so the ganker cant see them by scanning. Simple People Shouldn't Be Afraid of Their Governments Governments Should Be Afraid of Their People
Warrio	Posted - 2007.02.07 23:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Rizlent Why not ban all forms of Station/Gate Gank Camping in Jita. Why? Cause u get these corps that sit at stations and wardec with people so they can fire at them when the come out. So whatÆs wrong with that? Well Jita is so laggy sometimes you can die before you even undock from a station (i.e the screen is still black from undocking) How? Well just make Jita a no shoot zone so guns donÆt work there. How? I donÆt care but im sure itÆs not beyond the realms of programming Why should they? Because Jita is a market hub where people go to buy and sell stuff and you have the station/gate from wardec people adding to already existing lag and using the fact there can be some much lag to kill people who donÆt have a chance to do anything about it. So what? So people petition (more petitions) to get there items back, and even then donÆt always get "all" their items back. Why should i care? Well i donÆt expect you to care as your a prolly one those that camp station in this way using lag as a way to get easy kill. Thoughts? Suggestions? /me puts on his Kevlarà. ItÆs a fire retardant donÆt you know The only retardant in this thread is you s0n. Originally by: Elvarien This is eve we dont want the corp thieves scammers and other "mean" people to disapear. How else will we filter out the retards and stupid people.
Sir PatrickMoore Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.07 23:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Warrio The only retardant in this thread is you s0n. Wow you got some wit, you should post more on other threads
Felysta Sandorn Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:16:00 - [48] Make Jita the first 1.1 sec system! If you even have guns online and loaded, you get CONCORDOKKEN'd... Either that or don't go there! _________________________________________________________
Pholocix Digital Horizons Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Make suicide ganks less of the threat by putting your expensive goods in cargo containers so the ganker cant see them by scanning. Simple You do realize this won't work? When scanning cargo holds it shows everything in there, regardless if its in a can or not. Just thought I'd let you know. If you found yourself in a fair fight your intel sucks.
umop 3pisdn	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:27:00 - [50] Re-edit your post and put your massive carebear rant back in... There are NO safe places in eve except in stations, making jita 100% safe will just make things worse not better, you can see war targets in local clear as day so DONT UNDOCK IF THEY ARE THERE. If you do undock in your badger then you deserve a ganking. This will not lessen petitions as everyone will just ctrl + q as they leave jita and wait for downtime, then try to make a run for it after and when they die they will claim they dc'd just like they do now everywhere else in eve. The problem of Jita is one of the few things the Devs are actually trying to deal with. The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat. Get out of Jita
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills. ................................what. People undocking are immune for a long... long time... they cant be targetted/bumped/hurt and then once they do load... they can just hit redock instantly and play docking games with you for hours on end. Joy. People jumping through gates in 0.0 have around 20-30 seconds of being cloaked to lag, realise they're boned and ctrl + q like the noobs they are. If you blob in 0.0 you dont need the cheap kill, you have the power of the blob. A far better suggestion for fixing this crap is to allow smartbombs to go off anywhere again, how many friggin badgers would pile up if you had bomber geddens hanging around Jita 4-4???? problem solved.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:50:00 - [52] Originally by: umop 3pisdn The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat. QFT The problem with Jita is lag. By having the market hub occupy a constellation (and hence, several server nodes rather than just one) this hopefully will ease the lag.
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 08:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker make ships immune to damage until it is fully confirmed the client has totally loaded and is in full control, this way you cant use lag to get free kills. this would help everywhere from Jita to 0.0 gate blobs who exploit exiting lag to get cheap kills. ................................what. People undocking are immune for a long... long time... they cant be targetted/bumped/hurt and then once they do load... they can just hit redock instantly and play docking games with you for hours on end. Joy. People jumping through gates in 0.0 have around 20-30 seconds of being cloaked to lag, realise they're boned and ctrl + q like the noobs they are. If you blob in 0.0 you dont need the cheap kill, you have the power of the blob. A far better suggestion for fixing this crap is to allow smartbombs to go off anywhere again, how many friggin badgers would pile up if you had bomber geddens hanging around Jita 4-4???? problem solved. Obviously, under certain conditions, the timer runs out during loading and you can be attacked thus the people complaining that they were attacked and killed during the undocking phase. The Privateering Life
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.08 11:49:00 - [54] Why do people complain about lag in Jita so much? Jita has some great bargains, if you value the isk and travel time to pick up stuff elsewhere more than you dislike the lag then go to Jita.... I would like to see an end to the exploitation of game mechanics, whether that be by making jita a no fire zone, giving people imunity while they undock or players solving the solution by killing the campers.
Rizlent	Posted - 2007.02.08 22:16:00 - [55] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Re-edit your post and put your massive carebear rant back in... There are NO safe places in eve except in stations, making jita 100% safe will just make things worse not better, you can see war targets in local clear as day so DONT UNDOCK IF THEY ARE THERE. If you do undock in your badger then you deserve a ganking. This will not lessen petitions as everyone will just ctrl + q as they leave jita and wait for downtime, then try to make a run for it after and when they die they will claim they dc'd just like they do now everywhere else in eve. The problem of Jita is one of the few things the Devs are actually trying to deal with. The changes to Jita will move the hub somewhere else... it wont actually fix anything... but hopefully Interbus will arrive and help to disperse people somewhat. Get out of Jita What about if you undock in a crow, a ship that anywhere in empire space can get away from a gank wardec at the station, but this is not the case in Jita due to Lag. It does not matter what ship you undock in.. if you get a black screen when undocking for 30 - 60 secs while you are being locked and killed ItÆs not a carebear rant its more of a rant of lame pies using game exploits to kill people who are stuck with a BSOD ôBlack Screen of Deathö and are unable to do or see anything while their ship is destroyed and they are podded. I changed the topic to reflect more about what this is about, making a shoot free zone was just an idea to help more ideas come forth and so far the best idea has been from the privateer about sync the undocking to being able to use the gui. Dont allow people to lock you until you have a GUI and any control of your ships sounds far to me. Once you have some control of you ship and can "see" what is going on and then you get targeted and die yes that is fair, but not having a GUI to see or click anything and have no control over the game or your ship and being killed and podded is not fair at all.

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