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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.12.12 00:27:00 -
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I don't know where you guys are getting your bistot, but from wehere I mine it, it's 60 jumps round trip from the only station with office space, and the belts never respawn besides micro roids.
Maybe everyone else has magic belts that always respawn full. It DOES have something to do with CCP because they control the respawn code. It has nothing to do with risk, just time value.
Why should i spend 5 hours hauling/mining in 0.0 just to get a few hundred units of bistot. When in 5 hours I can make much more mining veld.
If the belts always respawned fully, we might have reason to go mine it. Other wise it's a waste of time/effort.
Please point me in the direction of Bistot belts that are free for anyone and respawn correctly everytime without having to spend half a day mining out veld and scor in 0.0. Thanks.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.12.12 00:39:00 -
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Mine bistot in the Outer Ring, it's only 3 jumps out.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.12.12 00:51:00 -
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and these can be mined with 2 ships? One to protect one to mine? There's no player pirates? or alliances? And all the belts always respawn? Is this true?
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.12.12 01:08:00 -
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and these can be mined with 2 ships? One to protect one to mine? There's no player pirates? or alliances? And all the belts always respawn? Is this true?
Ideally you wouldn't MINE Bistot with only 2 people. Of course right now you have to, since you can't BUY it... but ideally 2 people would farm NPCs, run trade, or so on and buy the relatively small amount of Mega they need. But to do that, we need dedicated mining corps selling rare minerals on the market regularly... not markets where you can't find 500 megacyte in an entire region even at 14-15k! 
In short, we need professional miners supplying large amounts of megacyte, which means full spawns of Bistot / Ark. Here's hoping the patch helps...
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.12.12 01:29:00 -
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I would be the first will to go back to 0.0 space and mine that bistot if the devs made them always respawn. Believe me. I loved 0.0, but it was just a waste of my time. No close stations, and almost no bistot. and the little we found never repawned right. it was just a waste of time.
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Cassiopia Phaedra
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Posted - 2003.12.12 08:35:00 -
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of course you would 'go back to 0.0' and mine bistot if it became readily available. Because like a lot of people, you think megacyte is the answer for all of your 'isk troubles'
The fact remains, if the ore re-distribution makes megacyte more plentiful, prepare for yet another market crash. Where items are sold for LESS than production cost (cost of minerals if bought at NPC prices).
It's bad enough everyother person in eve has a battleship now. If not more. There is practically NO market for cruiser equipment. And other non-battleship related items.
Battleships are too cheap.
Maybe come out with some 'new mineral' that is very rare, which is required to manufacture battleships, and keep prices stable.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.12.12 09:20:00 -
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Megacyte mining is getting more difficult because of the distances. Not many places even in station alliance owned systems are that close. Thus, less mining output at costant demand = higher prices. Obviously production is down now (apart from my ships on sale, not much volume on the market in Heimatar for example).
Now, when the megacyte prices went up, there was still a stockpile of ships to sell. The market reacts slowly and many people still sold are regular prices. To us, the producers it seemed like others were absorbing the cost of megacyte which is silly since you can sell the BP copies and minerals for about the same. So many cut production and sold the minerals instead and BANG, you got a fairly sudden battleship price hike.
Battleships should be expensive. Fleets should have cruiser support rather then the normal that used to be 100% battleship fleets.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.12.12 09:52:00 -
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Firstly,
Castor has several changes in it that should increase the use of cruisers and frigates in PvP. Altho i think these alone will not change things, it's a good start.
Secondly, bistot is availiable in plenty. The problem is that you need a medium sized corp effort to get at it reasonably efficiently. NPC farming may well be a more cost effective way of getting your rares than mining them is for some at the moment.
thirdly, I agree BS prices are too low even now when they are back to 100mio for a tier 2.
The prices in itself are reasonable, the only problem is the fact that everyone flies BS's.
But maybe the fact that BS's are rampant in eve can be changed without having to reduce the megacyte availiablilty. See point 1.
Lastly, the fact that bistot only respawns in baby roids, if at all, is (y)our own fault.
One should not mine the existing roids out, but leave them to regrow. This would ensure that the rare ores stay availiable. But as long as this practice isnt the norm, the problem remains, and will only grow bigger.
Castor will change this, but i question wether this is the right way to change things. I think an environmental moral should be introduced to make the population self-regulate the ore distribution and exploitation.
Just increasing the availiablity of rare minerals does not add anything to the game, but only lowers the financial consequences of shiploss for the players. It actually sets back the drive towards specialisation of producing.
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N4S33M
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Posted - 2003.12.12 10:32:00 -
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yep...Megacyte is a problem...but as for the price of BS going up....thats is a great thing. BS are way to cheap to acquire. And also what is the point in investing 100's of mill isks..in a BP for it to take u forever to repay. Bs prices should stay high....other wise the BS loses it prestige, its Awe.
Come on Tech 2 patch...bring this game a new era..and a load of new players..and the return of some older ones.
EVE is a wicked game....lets make it rock some more 
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:53:00 -
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Little market savvy for ya.
Its a (mostly) player driven economy. So in one sense you have to look at it in real life.
If you need megacyte/zydrine you have choices.
1. Find the Best Price nearest to you, buy and be happy.
2. Don't buy any, ***** and moan about it.
3. Farm your a$$ off and get a whole bunch through recycling.
4. Refer to #2
5. Go out and MINE it yourself. And there are places you can get it that is not 64 jumps round trip.
6. Refer to #2.
7. Befriend ppl who do mine it, and get the price knocked way down just cause they think your cool.
8. Trade other things you may not need or don't care for. I.E. Loot and other minerals.
Just a few things you can do to get megacyte/zydrine.
Oh ya, prices are SOOOOOOOOooo much cheaper for BS than they used to be WAY back when.
Can anyone say 200mil isk Megathron?
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manca
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:06:00 -
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You all say BS prices are too high?
I bet you all have one though. I also bet that you wouldn't think so if you were working for one day in day out.
IMO, there are two types of Eve Players. Those that have battleships, and those that are working to get battleships.
Personally, after being destroyed twice by battleship JIP campers, in my oh-so hard to kill cruiser, I've realised that the only way to really get anywhere is to have one yourself.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:35:00 -
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0.5+ mining = profitable
bistot mining = unprofitable.
So megacyte prices rise. Now bistot mining is better. The market is adapting. OMG I R UBER ECONOMIST BUSINESSMAN ROCKET SCIENTISTZOR.
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Kalar Vrask
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:49:00 -
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0.5+ mining = profitable
bistot mining = unprofitable.
So megacyte prices rise. Now bistot mining is better. The market is adapting. OMG I R UBER ECONOMIST BUSINESSMAN ROCKET SCIENTISTZOR.
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toaster
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cassiopia Phaedra on 11/12/2003 22:17:47
I'd like to see the price of megacyte up around 30k-50k /u
I'd like to see Battleship prices go back up where they need to be: 150 million+
It's stupid to see battleships selling for 85 million isk.
Of course you will think megacyte is too expensive and you are still selling battleships for 85 million isk. Raise your ship prices to compensate for the cost of the minerals. Easy.
I'm worried that after the patch, rare minerals will be TOO EASY to get, and the market is gonna crash again. Yay
As a person that mined for my BS, I would hate to see the fruits of my labor thrown away by dropping the price of BSs...BUT...If CCP ever wants to keep players, they MUST make ships easier to get IMHO.
Lets face it, most people are probably in this game to fight, right? Or do people really enjoy spending their free time draggin and dropping ore into a container for a video game? Why would a newbie join this game, and have to mine a month straight for a new BS that might get blown up in 5 minutes? (also why everyone is afraid to fight unless odds are stacked in their favor) Lets face it, people dont have that kind of time or patience.
Those of us that have already got BSs obviously do, but how can u attract and keep newbies with current system?
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Babar
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:57:00 -
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0.5+ mining = profitable
bistot mining = unprofitable.
So megacyte prices rise. Now bistot mining is better. The market is adapting. OMG I R UBER ECONOMIST BUSINESSMAN ROCKET SCIENTISTZOR.
Hehe..
Bistot mining is probably still unprofitable, though. As long as you have to travel 20 jumps to refine, i'm sure you're better off mining whatever and just recycling market goods for mega..
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:06:00 -
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I'm worried that after the patch, rare minerals will be TOO EASY to get, and the market is gonna crash again. Yay
I take it you haven't seen the new NPC Bships, if spawn on top of you it's bye bye.
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