@CCP_CmdrWang Hey I'm wondering if you'll be able to use mercenaries to fight over player-run outposts. Thanks! Excited about #Dust514

@ruzihm Yes, that is an integral part of DUST514.

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I'm actually looking forward to DUST since I have a mostly useless PS3 gathering... dust (lol). This would be pretty cool but what would be even cooler as an EVE player is if we could blow up structures the mercs are fighting in...

EVE Corp 'Our contract is ended'
DUST Corp 'But we've almost taken over the station!'
EVE Corp 'Not quite...'
*BOOM*

Am I the only one who sees imminent griefing using orbital strikes from EVE players who will be pissed if Dust gets released as a PS3 exclusive with micro-transactions?

Just so you know, I'll probably abuse the hell out it.

How will we talk to the PS3 people?

Chat channels for Dust 514 (both voice and text) are cross platform. You can log into them from either your console or your PC, so that EvE and Dust players can coordinate their efforts in real time. This is working fine in all the testing that's currently underway and been documented by third party media that have gotten a sneak peak.

How will we talk to the PS3 people?

Dust probably isn't that complex though, it's on a console after all.

Keep in mind that DUST will run from the same server as EVE.

Edit: Granted I could be wrong.

You know, maybe if Dust people can blow the outpost ITS A GOOD IDEA. We dont even know how Dust people will deploy in planets, its not that they have a tele-transporter in every fcking planet, apart that they need to bring the resources to the planet to fight. Right?

lol @ the thought of Dust actually mattering

Why would they fight over outposts? EVE barely does that now. You'll probably get kicked out of the null sec peace accord currently in place. Oh, is that just going to be in high sec too?

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Hello everyone,

I just wanted to jump in here and clarify that Dust 514 has its own player-run structures called Outposts, which CCP_CmdrWang is referring to in that very short tweet. Hope this clears up any speculation at this point

^this.

However, CCP has taken this into account. Dust is meant to be a griefing tool. A sh!t game mechanic for making the game less fun for more people.

Mercs go in, take down the shields or something and then have to get out (Back to the choppah!!!) before the station is blown to bits by the fleets outside.

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to jump in here and clarify that Dust 514 has its own player-run structures called Outposts, which CCP_CmdrWang is referring to in that very short tweet. Hope this clears up any speculation at this point

Dust 514 runs off Tranquility. They are the same server, there is no separation other than the client used to access the server and the device used to run the client.

Eve players need to realise that it doesn't matter if they don't buy Dust because they won't buy a PS3. The PS3's estimated userbase at the end of 2010 was around 43.4million, compared to I'd estimate 150k actual eve players. Eve players are a drop in the ocean.

The idea that us podders wouldn't just fly down and bomb the enemy assests out of excistance ( should anyone of thought to invent bombs that is ) does kinda through throw a pile of 'broken glass' into the sandbox to use an anology.

I saw this in a comment on http://www.develop-online.net/features/1461/Dust-514-The-PS3s-most-important-game and wanted to point out that he has a damned good point. Even if we assume every household has 2 PS3s and only 1/10 of those bought Dust and played it...yeah...

I still think there should be Stargate Atlantis style city spaceships that land on the planets as a base of operations for dust 514.


Edit: also the city can hurl stargate style drones at spaceships trying to nuke the planet out of existence.

I saw this in a comment on http://www.develop-online.net/features/1461/Dust-514-The-PS3s-most-important-game and wanted to point out that he has a damned good point. Even if we assume every household has 2 PS3s and only 1/10 of those bought Dust and played it...yeah...

My god, I don't know about the comments, but that article is terrible.

Yeah...the article is filled with a lot of misinformation and speculation. And yes the comments are just as bad. Most people freak out about the 150 titans comment and then skyrocket to 500 titans.

Not the first I've heard of 'dust' but the first time I've looked into it.

Think CCP are taking an increible risk with this myself. It's hard enough launching a PC based MMO these days nevermind a console based MMO ( can only think of one other of the top of my head and can't remeber it's name ) , Think theres gonna be a lot of retention problems. Console players tend to play by gametype and switch games upon new releases frequently, MMO players though tend to choose a single game and devote a lot of time to it.

ATM CCP are sitting pretty in the market, THE sci-fi MMO , Suddenly they want to jump into the shark infested waters of console FPS, competing against household names such as HALO, Battlefield, MW. And they want to adapt there main assest to accomidate this in a way that EVE will never be the same again.

My mind also boggles at the storyline justification for the sudden prolifiration of planetery combat except perhaps on broders.

The idea that us podders wouldn't just fly down and bomb the enemy assests out of excistance ( should anyone of thought to invent bombs that is ) does kinda through throw a pile of 'broken glass' into the sandbox to use an anology.

How could they take over outposts that orbit a planet while on the ground?

Even if gameplay and lore could be seamlessly intergrated....

Then follow the Network and Community Nightmares.

Hows more longterm comunication setup, do we share a forum, cos that'll be fun, thousands of teen fpsers invading EVE gate. You think the pirate/miner community are split.. what happens when 2 groups from 2 platforms playing 2 diffrent games get together.

Then theres poor old Tranquility to be considered. Whats the average uptake of a new console fps? because when they all log into 1 server at one time, it will certainly be a unique event in game server history I would imagine. I pity the poor hamsters :)

Further thoughts are that the economy and value of these assests is going to be one of the hardest things to intergrate. Are they going to be our 'poor cousins' (if they had millioins of isk why be a grunt why not a podder) and if so thats gonna go down well in the community isn't it because we will literaly OWN them. If there suddenly as wealthy as us it causes problems as well.

Are the markets going to be linked.. if so any large group of EVEians will be able to suriously effect gameplay balnce within DUST by 'investing' in operations.

Maybe I'm being pessemistic and this will go balastic and be a bigger game than WOW. CCP certainly seem to be gambling alot on a postive outcome, I can only wish them the best.

How do you think Dust soldiers will move around from planet to planet?

How will we talk to the PS3 people?

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to jump in here and clarify that Dust 514 has its own player-run structures called Outposts, which CCP_CmdrWang is referring to in that very short tweet. Hope this clears up any speculation at this point

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to jump in here and clarify that Dust 514 has its own player-run structures called Outposts, which CCP_CmdrWang is referring to in that very short tweet. Hope this clears up any speculation at this point

I just hope you guys realise your entering a VERY competitive market with the FPS dust.

I honestly hope it goes great for you, I just urge you to get as much help, support and ideas from your eve players as possible.

Im very intrigued to see how you guys are comming along with DUST. Any sneak peaks for your loyal eve minions? Im guessing Fanfest will have such information?

How will we talk to the PS3 people?

Make primitive grunting noises?

It is amazing the amount of comments people are posting who think Dust is going to kill Eve.

First thing the na-sayers need to hear is what has been posted on this forum countless times before.

Adapt or Die.

This game can use another aspect to it. Dust is a natural extension to our space environment and If done right, Dust will add more complexity to war. That is a good thing.

I may not buy a PS3 to play Dust myself, but that doesnt mean I wont enjoy hiring Dust mercs to take out someones PI facilities who are mouthing of in local and getting on my nerves. That right there makes me smile inside.

Now on to the business side of things.

The business people at CCP know that Eve may not last forever. They constantly need to innovate with Eve to keep subscribers paying, but there may come a day when the masses get tired of space MMO's the same way they seem to be getting tired of Kill the Dragon MMO's.

Keeping the changes fresh, bringing in more RL money via Dust, is only going to help the entire Eve community.

So I can only say:

Adapt to the change or Die crying about it.

I don't even have a PS3 but I'll make sure to buy one at a pawn shop just because of how you guys are dumb elitists.

Are you a viral marketer?

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Adapt to the change or Die crying about it.

Anything is better than spending hours firing at stationary structures.

My adaptality is not in question here nor is my mortal excistance thanks. Whether this is really a good move by CCP is..

As for building a playerbase slowly and working from there as you would in an MMO, unfortunatly console based games aren't under financial control the way a subscription game is. CCP have always charged about the same for a subscription and can continue to do so, when a console game tanks it ends up dumped in the bargain bin at the local game shop and retailers don't bulk purchase copies. Income stops dead, theres no half measures. So unfortunatly ( unfortunatly because this is most likely where DUST will fail ) it WILL be in direct competion with big name FPS's, and not just that but any other BIG release for the PS3.

A bold project don't get me wrong but if it really is 18 months away as someone suggest, given the law of the bigger the hype the bigger the flop, I think CCP have bitten of more than they can chew here myself.

No, shooting structures would be vastly preferable to playing competitive multiplayer FPSes on consoles.

I'm sorry, but did I miss the news announcement stating that EVE players had to play DUST? That EVE players can't simply hire DUST players?

What's that? You're wrong?
Ok.

My adaptality is not in question here nor is my mortal excistance thanks. Whether this is really a good move by CCP is..

As for building a playerbase slowly and working from there as you would in an MMO, unfortunatly console based games aren't under financial control the way a subscription game is. CCP have always charged about the same for a subscription and can continue to do so, when a console game tanks it ends up dumped in the bargain bin at the local game shop and retailers don't bulk purchase copies. Income stops dead, theres no half measures. So unfortunatly ( unfortunatly because this is most likely where DUST will fail ) it WILL be in direct competion with big name FPS's, and not just that but any other BIG release for the PS3.

A bold project don't get me wrong but if it really is 18 months away as someone suggest, given the law of the bigger the hype the bigger the flop, I think CCP have bitten of more than they can chew here myself.

Hi. This was me talking about how much I'd slit my wrist rather than play a multiplayer FPS console game.

Greetings Lord Zim,
You need not play DUST.
Your mentally superior friend,
DarkAegix

Hi. This was me talking about how much I'd slit my wrist rather than play a multiplayer FPS console game.

But if we're going to talk about the viability of DUST itself, let's add the fact that at most, DUST is going to be a brief flash of activity, until the next shiny comes along and makes ADD console players go "ooh". And shooting structures'd still be more fun than playing DUST.

considering that millions of people apparently vastly prefer fps game play to sitting static shooting a space house....

.... I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and disagree with your assessment.

So like, check this out: it's going to be downloadable from the PSN (though they are toying with the idea of a retail copy...collector edition only?). They're relying on microtransactions NOT retail sales to make their cash on Dust. From all I've seen, they're on the right track, working closely with Sony and others who know the console FPS market. Dust is going to do just as they predict, you'll see....

And no, it's not 18 months away...summer of 2012, booya!

DarkAegix, missing the point one post at a time.

While there are "millions of people" who vastly prefer FPS games, what makes you think they'll even know what this thing called "eve" is? Or even care, because all their friends are playing MW3 or BF3 so they'll be the uncool kid in the group?

what makes you think they wont?

While there are "millions of people" who vastly prefer FPS games, what makes you think they'll even know what this thing called "eve" is? Or even care, because all their friends are playing MW3 or BF3 so they'll be the uncool kid in the group?

While there are "millions of people" who vastly prefer FPS games, what makes you think they'll even know what this thing called "eve" is? Or even care, because all their friends are playing MW3 or BF3 so they'll be the uncool kid in the group?

Persistent worlds with harsh PVP are awesome.

The development of DUST is causing quite a stir in the console gaming industry, that is always a good thing.
It is causing a stir because it is a revolutionary concept finally seen through to completion, tied to an 8 year old established universe of rich content.

It is being viewed by many as not just the "next new game", but rather the "next step in console games" period. This in an industry where many fans are fading away currently because they are getting tired of the MW3 or BF3 clones that are literally nothing more than the same tired game with a new $60 paint job.

Know of any good ones?

So

1/ CCP are developing in a new genre for them
2/ On a new platform for them
3/ In a new market for them
3/ Using a new business model for that market

Go out on a limb much.....

Don't get me wrong I hope it works out for them, but to me it looks very much like a long odds bet.

LOL. It's an MMOFPS. It may be the first on a console, I don't know, but since console FPSes are by definition terribad knockoffs aimed at casuals and children, who cares anyway?

I very much doubt the whole gaming world is going to become MMOs. Console games are continuing to advance just fine, and whether or not DUST replaces the current FPSes as the casual's tripe of choice is really irrelevant to any actual advances which take place, just as FPSes have been and will continue to be irrelevant to actual console games.

Actually, it's quite a bit more than an MMOFPS. It has other elements including RTS... among others.

Dust isn't aimed at casuals and children.

The console industry has been in decline for the last several years. FPS are far from irrelevant to the console gaming industry.

Your point is that you don't want to play DUST, because you don't like first person shooters.

My point is that you don't need to play DUST.

Fair points, but it still falls basically in the console FPS genre, and so does not represent an interesting advancement IMO.

I actually couldn't have said it better myself. I just moved the statements together for you :D


Good to see you are still around too, yours is one of the few names I actually remember.

I would play Dust on a PC.

Fair points. Whatever our individual preferences and predictions, I think it's safe to say that whether this thing burns like the Hindenburg... or starts a console game revolution... either way it should be interesting to watch (and in some small way been a part of).

They've gotta let us nuke'em from orbit... right?

Of course, but remember you are talking about captial ship guns trying to hit a target orders of magnitude smaller than a frigate. Enjoy missing every time.

They've gotta let us nuke'em from orbit... right?

Ummmm.... "Splash Damage"?

>implying EVE has splash damage

Edit to add: I don't think CCP will allow us to interact with the dust bunnies much...

Yo seriously Zim I like you, but you're not making sense right now.

They don't sit in in your space cloaked up while watching the thunder cats.

How will we talk to the PS3 people?

How will we talk to the PS3 people?