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Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:47:00 - [31] Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 11:00:12 Blah, stupid forum ate my post and I can't be bothered to rewrite the huge thing.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.08 11:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Lowanaera Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 11:00:12 Blah, stupid forum ate my post and I can't be bothered to rewrite the huge thing. "Back" button in browser helps a lot in such cases.
Marquis Dean Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 12:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Viktor VonCarstein Maybe I'm going against the grain but I still prefer the Apoc to the Abaddon for mission running, complexes etc. So much so that I now use a Navy Apoc. Normal Apoc has the same slot layout as Abaddon but oodles of cap which means you can have a mean tank. Yes you don't have the resist bonus but you can use the rigs for armour repair amount increase as well as armour hp increase. Also the low slots are not filled with as many cap items. This makes it very easy to run a dual LAR tank with 4 active hardners giving high resists and HP BS level 5 helping immensly. It does take longer to kill stuff but never a worry about tank failing in missions, complexes etc. No worry about lag problems either as cap never runs out. I second this statement. My Apoc could tank for ages in a Lvl4, but my Abaddon barely lasts at all, it's totally unable to tank and fire at the same time. The resist bonuses don't help at all tbh. ------ ------ Originally by: Crag Heyder I'm not talking FPS here, it's SPF.
FreeHansje Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.08 13:16:00 - [34] Quote: Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon) I wonder why then Dominix is more exoensive then 2 months ago? I could buy them for less than 60mil, nowadays I rarely see that price anymore. ----- FreeHansje Yes, I'm a Newby. So sue me!
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.02.08 13:19:00 - [35] Edited by: d026 on 08/02/2007 13:16:30 Quote: Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon) i use domis alot... but i agree with the ferox, its probably the worst bc ingame. Quote: I wonder why then Dominix is more exoensive then 2 months ago? I could buy them for less than 60mil, nowadays I rarely see that price anymore. wot? i just bought 2 domis for 52milions, the last ones i bought cost me 65 milions a couple of weeks ago!
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.08 13:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 13:18:12 Originally by: Marquis Dean I second this statement. My Apoc could tank for ages in a Lvl4, but my Abaddon barely lasts at all, it's totally unable to tank and fire at the same time. The resist bonuses don't help at all tbh. Rigs. 8x Mega Modulated Energy Beam I 4x Cap Recharger II LAR II, DCU II, 3x T2 hardener, 2x Heatsink II 3x cap recharge rigs Runs indefinitely with Xray/Microwave. If you can't live without a dual rep tank (I find it wholly unnecessary with the resist bonus and much higher DPS), swap the megas for DHBs and drop the DCU and one heatsink for the LARII and a Beta CPR and you'll have a dual-LAR setup that runs indefinitely. The Apoc needs a much bigger tank because it takes forever to kill anything. With the Abaddon you can pop BSs fast enough that a single LARII is quite sufficient even on harder missions like Blockade and Enemies Abound.
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 13:45:00 - [37] Originally by: DunNa Edited by: DunNa on 08/02/2007 04:34:54 Scorps (ecm change) Prophs (harb is just all around better the slight tanking boosts don't do much) Cyclones (is there anything this can do better than a cane?) Ferox (drakes are better missle boats and it just doesn't really make that awesome of a rail boat) . Scorp - still serves same duty/role just now need to use racial specific Jammers to be hugely affective(alot of folks already did this to insure the Jam accured) Prophecy - not sure if in any way is better than the tier II counterpart Cyclone - yes, it shield tanks better , but is nothing in comparison to the hurricane and I will never get one again because the cane is just that much better Ferox - good at popping frigs, prolly best to reprocess the ferox to get closer to building that drake
Franconis	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:12:00 - [38] Ferox: dead in the water. It's only advantage atm is price, and even then you're probably better off with something else. Geddon: still a very economical ratting and fleet ship. Mega: Better tracking speed than hyp, some pilots still swear by it. Hyp: Great sniper, but very very expensive. (3 Sensor Booster IIs required). Also has issues with tracking when using blasters Domi: Still a wonderful ship. Brutix: way outdamaged and outtanked by the myrmidon. I personally killed every brutix i've seen since rev. Scorp: still fits a mean tank, therefore still a viable ship. Stealth Bombers: got a boost, but inderectly they were HEAVILY nerfed in revelations. HP boost + warp to zero make solo ganking in a sb chance based at best.
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:17:00 - [39] Dual LAR II setup is useful for the higher end complexes and you often do need it to last a while even with damage dealers in the group. Maybe I am not using it right but I just can't get on with the Abaddon in those situations. As said before with the Apoc I can have 2 LARs 4 Active hardners DCU II and an Armour repair amount rig, with the rest being cap reahcarger II's and cap rigs. It just seems to tank better and longer than I can get out of the Abaddon http://sprayandpray.xippy.co.uk
Wolf Pershaw	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:36:00 - [40] About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire. The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod.
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:38:00 - [41] Complexes I can see, though I think you'll get more out of 25% extra resists than the armor rep rig, but for L4s there's simply no reason to use an Apoc.
Samirol The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:41:00 - [42] the maelstrom is pretty good for gate bombing I buy insane sigs, mail me ingame.
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:47:00 - [43] Geddon is not a fleet ship, it can't fit tachs for **** and the mega beams doens't cut it. Okish at short range and still my favourite for small gangs. Apoc is imo best fleet choice for Amarr fleet since it can actually fire without running out of cap. Abaddon is meh, ok fleet as long as you know it's gonna be short or sacrifice lows for cprs. Ok at close range too.
Alowishus OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:47:00 - [44] Been awhile since I've seen an Apoc or Scorp.
Countess NotFarOut2	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:51:00 - [45] Quote: wot? i just bought 2 domis for 52milions, the last ones i bought cost me 65 milions a couple of weeks ago! WHERE WAS THAT?! WHERE WAS THAT!?
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.08 14:52:00 - [46] Originally by: The Armin Geddon is not a fleet ship, it can't fit tachs for ** and the mega beams doens't cut it. Okish at short range and still my favourite for small gangs. Apoc is imo best fleet choice for Amarr fleet since it can actually fire without running out of cap. Abaddon is meh, ok fleet as long as you know it's gonna be short or sacrifice lows for cprs. Ok at close range too. Can't fit Tachs? Geddon requires 2x RCU to fit a full rack of Tachyons, but guess what, so does an Apoc. With cap rigs, a Geddon fires for over 5 minutes and does a **-load more damage than an Apoc. With PG rigs, an Abaddon can fit an injector and fire for over 10 minutes (or until you run out of charges), and do slightly more damage than a Geddon and again far far more than an Apoc. The Apoc is garbage for fleets.
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:00:00 - [47] I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho. minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh. DE
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:10:00 - [48] Seen a number of Pests operating around the placid area. http://sprayandpray.xippy.co.uk
Shandling Minmatar cotton buds FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Shandling on 08/02/2007 15:12:31 Originally by: DarkElf minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh. And a little cheaper too. :) However, I do see plenty of pests... I just don't see them get popped often, so there's not a huge market for them. (sniping 150km+ off the gate w/ t1 gear = cheap and effective, as well as safe) Sadly, min ships are also rarer on the markets in 0.0 space. So I have to get them hauled out (very risky), carrier jumped out, or mine my ass off/buy minerals to get them built custom. :P
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:30:00 - [50] Prophecy can still be a useful 'suicide bait' ship, plate it up with some resist modules, then a couple cap rechargers and a cap booster with a hold full of cap charges. Cheaper than an bare abaddon, and can tank like a mofo (not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for) -=^=-
Shandling Minmatar cotton buds FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Billy Sastard (not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for) Ever fly a heavily tanked AC Prophecy? Believe it or not they are somewhat nasty.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Wolf Pershaw About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire. The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod. you can regain what you lost in jamming streaghnth, but you give up any semblance of survivability in doing so.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Wolf Pershaw About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire. The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod. you can regain what you lost in jamming streaghnth, but you give up any semblance of survivability in doing so.
Wulfgard Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:59:00 - [54] Originally by: DarkElf I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho. minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh. DE If you are in a 0.0 alliance, all you hear on defense chat is: nano Domi inc! They are the best and cheapest skirmisher. Perfect for solo work, great flexibility and high survival rate. Ravens are just the best npcing ship, hence the high number. I agree with the minmatars,what happen to them, barely see any except the occasional vagabond/sleipnir...
Wulfgard Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:59:00 - [55] Originally by: DarkElf I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho. minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh. DE If you are in a 0.0 alliance, all you hear on defense chat is: nano Domi inc! They are the best and cheapest skirmisher. Perfect for solo work, great flexibility and high survival rate. Ravens are just the best npcing ship, hence the high number. I agree with the minmatars,what happen to them, barely see any except the occasional vagabond/sleipnir...
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 17:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Shandling Originally by: Billy Sastard (not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for) Ever fly a heavily tanked AC Prophecy? Believe it or not they are somewhat nasty. Yes and you are correct! Actually works pretty well with 650 II's to. No cap usage from guns make for much longer tank, and it's not like you going to get a gun bonus from energy turrets on this ship so why notThe prophecy can be nasty nasty w/ projectile weapons, might as well save cap since you are "supposedly" the best tanker race in the game, you know, as long as you aren't firing energy weapons...sad i know....sry amarrians.
Alowishus OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.08 18:37:00 - [57] People still don't realize Projectiles are balanced by bonus. A laser without a bonus is better than a projectile without a bonus.
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:03:00 - [58] Originally by: Quutar Ferox is practically unsellable. News to me, I sell 15 or so every 3 or 4 days.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:06:00 - [59] Theres usually alwayse a best solo ship because you NEED certain modules to even be able to solo pvp which depends heavily on slot allotment. Its not untill you get into small gang and fleet combat that all of the ships become usefull in specific roles. Just with gallente ships since i dont fly the other races battleships (i'd rather work on carrier skills) Megathron - Best DPS if you forgoe a tank, warp far away from the battle after it starts and snipe relying on your buddies so you dont take damage. Now you can hit any target prety hard without having to worry about tracking. Domi - Multi purpose EW battleship. The domi is realy they most flexable gallente ship and i dont believe for one second that its numbers have dropped since the addition of the Hyperion. You can cram this thing full of all sorts of assistance modules and still not lose out on DPS because its main weapon is drones. And theres no way were losing Domi pilots to the myrm. The Domi outperforms the Myrm in every area, It just looks like a suprise you find in your toilet while the myrm looks great so most people wanted one just to have it. Hyperion - Heavy tanker, this thing can rep and soak up more DPS than any of the others can hope for. Cram it full of blasters and stick it in a position (close up) to get shot at so others dont have to take the damage. If you keep a few close together and give them each 1 remote rep they just arent going to be getting blown up unless your severly outnumbered. IMHO the worst thing a gal pilot can do is set a mega up for Blaster combat. Its true in the past that the mega was realy our only close range battleship but now we have they hyperion that actually has the ability to tank like a close range blaster boat. They all have their uses but i think for solo pvp the Domi will continue to be the "best".
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:10:00 - [60] Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:10:37 Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:08:35 Originally by: Alowishus People still don't realize Projectiles are balanced by bonus. A laser without a bonus is better than a projectile without a bonus. Sorry dude, but give it a try first. Yes, they are balanced by bonus, and yes everyone that uses a projectile kitted Amarr vessel knows this as well, but they still do plenty of damage to get the job done considering the WHOLE cap will be tank focused as an AMARR tanking vessel that uses NO cap to shoot. May take longer to kill the foe, but it will take the foe WAY longer to kill you. Basically, yes less damage, but WAY more tank. Try it try it man. This has been tried and proven to work by many. Also(edit): can't you put projectile weapon rigs on an Amarr ship's rig slots

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