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Quutar
Caldari
Auraxian Irregulars
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:55:00 -
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with the advent of the new(ish) tier 2 battlecruisers and the new tier 3 battleships, have any of the existing battleships or battlecruisers retired? Or maybe due to a new rebalancing?
Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon)
Ferox is practically unsellable.
Scorps are not selling as much as they used to.
anything else? is there any ship that is now pretty much useless to fly?
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Mr Peanut
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:57:00 -
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Prophecy has no niche that I'm aware of. At least Ferox can be a mean frigate popper at long ranges.
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Abye
Caldari
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:02:00 -
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A huge amount of the Ferox use pre Revelations was with 5 heavy missile launchers. Not because they pwn in damage output but because the ferox had a sick tank compared to a caracal. Drake combines both strengths.
Myrmidon is a one trick pony compared to a Dominix. Looks way more better, tho 
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:04:00 -
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Apoc is even more useless than before.
Anyways, IBTL
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Peanut
Prophecy has no niche that I'm aware of. At least Ferox can be a mean frigate popper at long ranges.
Rather use an Eagle. They cost almost the same to fit and buy anyway.
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Skivr
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:21:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Apoc is even more useless than before.
Then I guess so is the Armageddon
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Ghostshadow
Caldari
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.02.08 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Skivr
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Apoc is even more useless than before.
Then I guess so is the Armageddon
My armageddon makes a good ratter when i'm bored of my raven. Also goon in small gangs.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.08 04:10:00 -
[8]
I haven't seen any Cyclones.
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DunNa
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Posted - 2007.02.08 04:23:00 -
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Scorps (ecm change)
Prophs (harb is just all around better the slight tanking boosts don't do much)
Cyclones (is there anything this can do better than a cane?)
Ferox (drakes are better missle boats and it just doesn't really make that awesome of a rail boat)
Hype and Mael are both very much underused. Hypes don't offer much over a mega and cost more, People would just rather fly pests and maels it seems though I really love the visual style of the ship.
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Kegger McManus
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 04:30:00 -
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Maelstrom would be a halfway decent ship if it went on a huge diet. It's way to fat, it moves like a carrier. As it stands right now it's only good for PvE when you dont want to move anywhere.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 05:28:00 -
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Quote:
Scorps (ecm change)
Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.02.08 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: X99 Z990 on 08/02/2007 05:42:58
Agreed with Apoc being useless now.
Geddon still isnt useless, its 1/3rd the price of an abaddon for starters and has a bigger drone bay.
Edit : Oh and a myrmidon isnt half the threat of a domi. 
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DunNa
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Posted - 2007.02.08 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Quote:
Scorps (ecm change)
Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs.
Works is very personal term I guess you could say. IMO a dedicated ECM ship should be able to use multispecs while non-ecm ships would be forced to have racials as there only option. I don't see racial nosf, racial webs, racial scrams, racial painters, or any other EWAR.
Ok thats sorta an ECM rant but stil the ECM changes have really scared off alot of scorp pilots. I don't fly them any more personnally and instead opt for BBs and recons depending on my mood. Rooks are hands down better jammer than a BB and they both have about the same market value (70-80) a rook can also put out "acceptible" dps for a small gang ship.
Regardless of the reasons, alot of people just don't fly them anywhere near as much as they used to.
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Seine
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.08 06:32:00 -
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I flew a Cyclone untill I recently got my Sleipnir
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.02.08 07:30:00 -
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geddon is still very usable as a cheap and disposible fleet ship that can pack a nasty punch
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.02.08 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: DunNa
Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Quote:
Scorps (ecm change)
Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs.
Works is very personal term I guess you could say. IMO a dedicated ECM ship should be able to use multispecs while non-ecm ships would be forced to have racials as there only option. I don't see racial nosf, racial webs, racial scrams, racial painters, or any other EWAR.
Ok thats sorta an ECM rant but stil the ECM changes have really scared off alot of scorp pilots. I don't fly them any more personnally and instead opt for BBs and recons depending on my mood. Rooks are hands down better jammer than a BB and they both have about the same market value (70-80) a rook can also put out "acceptible" dps for a small gang ship.
Regardless of the reasons, alot of people just don't fly them anywhere near as much as they used to.
what can i say people are upset they can only render two battleships useless or near cripple three.... sure before the ecm nerf they might have been able to render four useless but isnt that a little exsesive?
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.02.08 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10
Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's.
So the minmatar battleships all have 1 thing they can do now
nanophoon, sniperpest, reprocessmaelstrom
tbh, 'phoon can still be a close-up brawler, but no one flies it as that. Bleh.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.08 08:54:00 -
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I don't see Apocs around (however, I do see a large amount of Geddons and Domis).
Among Battecruisers, the Ferox is pretty much in a coma and waiting indefinitely for the rescuing turret slot transplantation (Are you a donor? Contact CCP today!).
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.08 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Destr0math
Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10
Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's.
AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D
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The Anointed
Caldari
StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Quutar
Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon)
Erm, have to disagree with that one. The mymidon has a smaller drone bay by far, and less slots for the flavour of the month (nano ships) and in comparison, isnt really that much cheaper in the long run.
The mega might have taken a hit to the number of people using it, as it seemed to be the choice of caldari pilots who wanted a fleet ship, and now we have the rokh.
Scorps probably took a hit as well, especially seeing as caldari recons are really pretty affordable.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Destr0math
So the minmatar battleships all have 1 thing they can do now
nanophoon, sniperpest, reprocessmaelstrom
Rofl, you just made my day :D
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Destr0math
Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10
Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's.
AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D
Seriously, killing blasterthron is easier than killing tempest.
F1,f2,f... wtf where did my cap just go.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Destr0math
Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10
Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's.
AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D
Seriously, killing blasterthron is easier than killing tempest.
F1,f2,f... wtf where did my cap just go.
OMG I AGREE WITH A BOB :D
Anyhow AC pest was as said never that popular, only one who got known for using acs on pest/macha was Ryan Routine, see a lot more Bthron that ac pest, just because of the blasterhype.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:36:00 -
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I retired my rohk before I even bought one to save on isk. Seriously, what a peice of ****.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:44:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Thor Xian
I haven't seen any Cyclones.
I must say.. i saw only 3 figts between Cyclones and hurricanes since kali.. all the 3 the cyclone won.....
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Skivr
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Apoc is even more useless than before.
Then I guess so is the Armageddon
With max skills, a fleet Geddon does only 30 DPS less than an Abaddon, but can shoot for almost twice as long if both have triple cap rigs, more than twice as long if not using rigs. Hardly useless.
The Apoc on the other hand does absolute garbage for DPS and has no other useful function other than as a mining barge or bait ship.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 08/02/2007 09:49:18
The only battleship i can see as totaly useless now is the Apoc. It is just outdone in every way by the Abaddon, since it doesnt use its laser bonus anyway[fits ACs/projectiles] and the Abaddon has a better secondary bonus as well as fitting abilities.
The scorpion still works fine for ECM, the Megathron is still better than the Hyperion at range due to the hyps low locking range and cost. The Maelstrom is an entirely different type of ship that the minmatar just dont apreciate because it isnt a meaner version of the tempest though it still has strong applications in both pve and pvp.
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:53:00 -
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The ferox was never a good ship to begin with. People who flew it usually ended up getting killed in low sec by a frig, brutally raped in the close 0.0 systems, or were never in PVP to begin with, so their opinion is worthless.
It was a half decent anti-frig platform before, but with the eagle/vulture it's not used except in trash fleets anymore.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:53:00 -
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Cyclone is by no means a bad ship...its just not that popular esp for solo work.
I would kill a run-of-the-mill Cyclone in my Hurricane np.
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Viktor VonCarstein
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:31:00 -
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Maybe I'm going against the grain but I still prefer the Apoc to the Abaddon for mission running, complexes etc.
So much so that I now use a Navy Apoc.
Normal Apoc has the same slot layout as Abaddon but oodles of cap which means you can have a mean tank. Yes you don't have the resist bonus but you can use the rigs for armour repair amount increase as well as armour hp increase. Also the low slots are not filled with as many cap items.
This makes it very easy to run a dual LAR tank with 4 active hardners giving high resists and HP BS level 5 helping immensly.
It does take longer to kill stuff but never a worry about tank failing in missions, complexes etc. No worry about lag problems either as cap never runs out.
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 11:00:12
Blah, stupid forum ate my post and I can't be bothered to rewrite the huge thing.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.08 11:44:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Lowanaera
Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 11:00:12
Blah, stupid forum ate my post and I can't be bothered to rewrite the huge thing.
"Back" button in browser helps a lot in such cases.
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Marquis Dean
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.08 12:18:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Viktor VonCarstein
Maybe I'm going against the grain but I still prefer the Apoc to the Abaddon for mission running, complexes etc.
So much so that I now use a Navy Apoc.
Normal Apoc has the same slot layout as Abaddon but oodles of cap which means you can have a mean tank. Yes you don't have the resist bonus but you can use the rigs for armour repair amount increase as well as armour hp increase. Also the low slots are not filled with as many cap items.
This makes it very easy to run a dual LAR tank with 4 active hardners giving high resists and HP BS level 5 helping immensly.
It does take longer to kill stuff but never a worry about tank failing in missions, complexes etc. No worry about lag problems either as cap never runs out.
I second this statement. My Apoc could tank for ages in a Lvl4, but my Abaddon barely lasts at all, it's totally unable to tank and fire at the same time. The resist bonuses don't help at all tbh.
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FreeHansje
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:16:00 -
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Quote:
Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon)
I wonder why then Dominix is more exoensive then 2 months ago? I could buy them for less than 60mil, nowadays I rarely see that price anymore.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 08/02/2007 13:16:30
Quote:
Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon)
i use domis alot... but i agree with the ferox, its probably the worst bc ingame.
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I wonder why then Dominix is more exoensive then 2 months ago? I could buy them for less than 60mil, nowadays I rarely see that price anymore.
wot? i just bought 2 domis for 52milions, the last ones i bought cost me 65 milions a couple of weeks ago!
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lowanaera on 08/02/2007 13:18:12
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I second this statement. My Apoc could tank for ages in a Lvl4, but my Abaddon barely lasts at all, it's totally unable to tank and fire at the same time. The resist bonuses don't help at all tbh.
Rigs.
8x Mega Modulated Energy Beam I
4x Cap Recharger II
LAR II, DCU II, 3x T2 hardener, 2x Heatsink II
3x cap recharge rigs
Runs indefinitely with Xray/Microwave. If you can't live without a dual rep tank (I find it wholly unnecessary with the resist bonus and much higher DPS), swap the megas for DHBs and drop the DCU and one heatsink for the LARII and a Beta CPR and you'll have a dual-LAR setup that runs indefinitely.
The Apoc *needs* a much bigger tank because it takes forever to kill anything. With the Abaddon you can pop BSs fast enough that a single LARII is quite sufficient even on harder missions like Blockade and Enemies Abound.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:45:00 -
[37]
Originally by: DunNa
Edited by: DunNa on 08/02/2007 04:34:54
Scorps (ecm change)
Prophs (harb is just all around better the slight tanking boosts don't do much)
Cyclones (is there anything this can do better than a cane?)
Ferox (drakes are better missle boats and it just doesn't really make that awesome of a rail boat)
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Scorp - still serves same duty/role just now need to use racial specific Jammers to be hugely affective(alot of folks already did this to insure the Jam accured)
Prophecy - not sure if in any way is better than the tier II counterpart
Cyclone - yes, it shield tanks better  , but is nothing in comparison to the hurricane and I will never get one again because the cane is just that much better
Ferox - good at popping frigs , prolly best to reprocess the ferox to get closer to building that drake
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Franconis
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:12:00 -
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Ferox: dead in the water. It's only advantage atm is price, and even then you're probably better off with something else.
Geddon: still a very economical ratting and fleet ship.
Mega: Better tracking speed than hyp, some pilots still swear by it.
Hyp: Great sniper, but very very expensive. (3 Sensor Booster IIs required). Also has issues with tracking when using blasters
Domi: Still a wonderful ship.
Brutix: way outdamaged and outtanked by the myrmidon. I personally killed every brutix i've seen since rev.
Scorp: still fits a mean tank, therefore still a viable ship.
Stealth Bombers: got a boost, but inderectly they were HEAVILY nerfed in revelations. HP boost + warp to zero make solo ganking in a sb chance based at best.
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Viktor VonCarstein
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:17:00 -
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Dual LAR II setup is useful for the higher end complexes and you often do need it to last a while even with damage dealers in the group.
Maybe I am not using it right but I just can't get on with the Abaddon in those situations.
As said before with the Apoc I can have 2 LARs 4 Active hardners DCU II and an Armour repair amount rig, with the rest being cap reahcarger II's and cap rigs.
It just seems to tank better and longer than I can get out of the Abaddon
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Wolf Pershaw
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:36:00 -
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About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire.
The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod.
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:38:00 -
[41]
Complexes I can see, though I think you'll get more out of 25% extra resists than the armor rep rig, but for L4s there's simply no reason to use an Apoc.
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Samirol
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:41:00 -
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the maelstrom is pretty good for gate bombing
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:47:00 -
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Geddon is not a fleet ship, it can't fit tachs for **** and the mega beams doens't cut it. Okish at short range and still my favourite for small gangs.
Apoc is imo best fleet choice for Amarr fleet since it can actually fire without running out of cap.
Abaddon is meh, ok fleet as long as you know it's gonna be short or sacrifice lows for cprs. Ok at close range too.
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Alowishus
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:47:00 -
[44]
Been awhile since I've seen an Apoc or Scorp.
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Countess NotFarOut2
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:51:00 -
[45]
Quote:
wot? i just bought 2 domis for 52milions, the last ones i bought cost me 65 milions a couple of weeks ago!
WHERE WAS THAT?! WHERE WAS THAT!?
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Lowanaera
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:52:00 -
[46]
Originally by: The Armin
Geddon is not a fleet ship, it can't fit tachs for **** and the mega beams doens't cut it. Okish at short range and still my favourite for small gangs.
Apoc is imo best fleet choice for Amarr fleet since it can actually fire without running out of cap.
Abaddon is meh, ok fleet as long as you know it's gonna be short or sacrifice lows for cprs. Ok at close range too.
Can't fit Tachs? Geddon requires 2x RCU to fit a full rack of Tachyons, but guess what, so does an Apoc.
With cap rigs, a Geddon fires for over 5 minutes and does a ****-load more damage than an Apoc. With PG rigs, an Abaddon can fit an injector and fire for over 10 minutes (or until you run out of charges), and do slightly more damage than a Geddon and again far far more than an Apoc. The Apoc is garbage for fleets.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:00:00 -
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I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho.
minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh.
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Viktor VonCarstein
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:10:00 -
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Seen a number of Pests operating around the placid area.
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Shandling
Minmatar
cotton buds
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:14:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Shandling on 08/02/2007 15:12:31
Originally by: DarkElf
minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh.
And a little cheaper too. :)
However, I do see plenty of pests... I just don't see them get popped often, so there's not a huge market for them. (sniping 150km+ off the gate w/ t1 gear = cheap and effective, as well as safe)
Sadly, min ships are also rarer on the markets in 0.0 space. So I have to get them hauled out (very risky), carrier jumped out, or mine my ass off/buy minerals to get them built custom. :P
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:30:00 -
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Prophecy can still be a useful 'suicide bait' ship, plate it up with some resist modules, then a couple cap rechargers and a cap booster with a hold full of cap charges. Cheaper than an bare abaddon, and can tank like a mofo (not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for)
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Shandling
Minmatar
cotton buds
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 15:33:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Billy Sastard
(not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for)
Ever fly a heavily tanked AC Prophecy?
Believe it or not they are somewhat nasty. 
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:50:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Wolf Pershaw
About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire.
The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod.
you can regain what you lost in jamming streaghnth, but you give up any semblance of survivability in doing so.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Pershaw
About the Ferox; Yeah I agree that the use dropped (but not completely). New players and PVPers who want a cheap sniping ship will still use the Ferox for the shield tank and rail bonuses. Don't get me wrong, but the T2 Heavy missile launchers more than doubled in price and purchasing enough for a Drake is crazy. ~91 million for launchers on a ~50 mil ship? I'll stick w/ my arbalests and add rigs for the faster rate of fire.
The Scorpion has not been selling much either due to the ECM nerf. But if a player does improve their ECM skills and add the distortion amps, they regain what they've lost in their Jamming Strength. Like all battles, pick your fights, and you'll come out victorious. ECM is an offensive and defensive mod.
you can regain what you lost in jamming streaghnth, but you give up any semblance of survivability in doing so.
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Wulfgard
Minmatar
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho.
minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh.
DE
If you are in a 0.0 alliance, all you hear on defense chat is: nano Domi inc! They are the best and cheapest skirmisher. Perfect for solo work, great flexibility and high survival rate.
Ravens are just the best npcing ship, hence the high number.
I agree with the minmatars,what happen to them, barely see any except the occasional vagabond/sleipnir...
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Wulfgard
Minmatar
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
I saw at least 2 ppl saying they don't see many domis about. i find that very surprising tbh, i see a load of them around low sec. still not nearly as many as ravens tho.
minnie ships are getting rarer and rarer. can't remember the last time i saw a pest tbh.
DE
If you are in a 0.0 alliance, all you hear on defense chat is: nano Domi inc! They are the best and cheapest skirmisher. Perfect for solo work, great flexibility and high survival rate.
Ravens are just the best npcing ship, hence the high number.
I agree with the minmatars,what happen to them, barely see any except the occasional vagabond/sleipnir...
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shandling
Originally by: Billy Sastard
(not going to be doing much damage, as theres not much PG left for guns etc after the plates, but hey, its bait, not a killer, thats what the rest of the gang is for)
Ever fly a heavily tanked AC Prophecy?
Believe it or not they are somewhat nasty.
Yes and you are correct! Actually works pretty well with 650 II's to. No cap usage from guns make for much longer tank, and it's not like you going to get a gun bonus from energy turrets on this ship so why not The prophecy can be nasty nasty w/ projectile weapons, might as well save cap since you are "supposedly" the best tanker race in the game, you know, as long as you aren't firing energy weapons...sad i know....sry amarrians .
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Alowishus
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.08 18:37:00 -
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People still don't realize Projectiles are balanced by bonus.
A laser without a bonus is better than a projectile without a bonus.
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Mirirar
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Quutar
Ferox is practically unsellable.
News to me, I sell 15 or so every 3 or 4 days.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:06:00 -
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Theres usually alwayse a best solo ship because you NEED certain modules to even be able to solo pvp which depends heavily on slot allotment. Its not untill you get into small gang and fleet combat that all of the ships become usefull in specific roles.
Just with gallente ships since i dont fly the other races battleships (i'd rather work on carrier skills)
Megathron - Best DPS if you forgoe a tank, warp far away from the battle after it starts and snipe relying on your buddies so you dont take damage. Now you can hit any target prety hard without having to worry about tracking.
Domi - Multi purpose EW battleship. The domi is realy they most flexable gallente ship and i dont believe for one second that its numbers have dropped since the addition of the Hyperion. You can cram this thing full of all sorts of assistance modules and still not lose out on DPS because its main weapon is drones. And theres no way were losing Domi pilots to the myrm. The Domi outperforms the Myrm in every area, It just looks like a suprise you find in your toilet while the myrm looks great so most people wanted one just to have it.
Hyperion - Heavy tanker, this thing can rep and soak up more DPS than any of the others can hope for. Cram it full of blasters and stick it in a position (close up) to get shot at so others dont have to take the damage. If you keep a few close together and give them each 1 remote rep they just arent going to be getting blown up unless your severly outnumbered.
IMHO the worst thing a gal pilot can do is set a mega up for Blaster combat. Its true in the past that the mega was realy our only close range battleship but now we have they hyperion that actually has the ability to tank like a close range blaster boat.
They all have their uses but i think for solo pvp the Domi will continue to be the "best".
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:10:37
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:08:35
Originally by: Alowishus
People still don't realize Projectiles are balanced by bonus.
A laser without a bonus is better than a projectile without a bonus.
Sorry dude, but give it a try first. Yes, they are balanced by bonus, and yes everyone that uses a projectile kitted Amarr vessel knows this as well, but they still do plenty of damage to get the job done considering the WHOLE cap will be tank focused as an AMARR tanking vessel that uses NO cap to shoot. May take longer to kill the foe, but it will take the foe WAY longer to kill you. Basically, yes less damage, but WAY more tank. Try it try it man. This has been tried and proven to work by many.
Also(edit): can't you put projectile weapon rigs on an Amarr ship's rig slots
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: FreeHansje
Quote:
Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon)
I wonder why then Dominix is more exoensive then 2 months ago? I could buy them for less than 60mil, nowadays I rarely see that price anymore.
Tbh I think melt value is more than 60m now.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:10:37
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 08/02/2007 19:08:35
Originally by: Alowishus
People still don't realize Projectiles are balanced by bonus.
A laser without a bonus is better than a projectile without a bonus.
Sorry dude, but give it a try first. Yes, they are balanced by bonus, and yes everyone that uses a projectile kitted Amarr vessel knows this as well, but they still do plenty of damage to get the job done considering the WHOLE cap will be tank focused as an AMARR tanking vessel that uses NO cap to shoot. May take longer to kill the foe, but it will take the foe WAY longer to kill you. Basically, yes less damage, but WAY more tank. Try it try it man. This has been tried and proven to work by many.
Also(edit): can't you put projectile weapon rigs on an Amarr ship's rig slots
ACs have superior damage types, superior tracking, and vastly superior fitting reqs. When shooting both pulse laser and AC against the same EANM tanked ship, the AC will usually end up doing MORE damage.
Firing without cap is a godsend for amarrians...usually you fire a heavy nos on an amarr ship and then it just gets to sit there and watch.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Slash Harnet
Minmatar
Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:07:00 -
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The Maelstrom is the only new ship that didn't replace something (either a role or a whole ship).
The only old ship thats completely worthless now is the Ferox.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: X99 Z990 on 08/02/2007 22:09:41
I dunno amarr have 3 gunships.
Apoc doesnt particularly accel at anything.
Edit - Apoc does get too much bad rep though its "alright" though only reason id use it is for missions or fitting big guns. But i like the Abaddon for fitting big guns more.
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Almarez
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Posted - 2007.02.09 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Skivr
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Apoc is even more useless than before.
Then I guess so is the Armageddon
I disagree, the geddon is much better at massive strike because of the ROF bonus. Plus it is much cheaper than the Abaddon so more people will use it.
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