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ISD Chanisa Nemes ISD Community Communications Liaisons 9	Posted - 2016.03.09 19:50:37 - [61] - Quote I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) ISD Chanisa Nemes Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14640	Posted - 2016.03.09 20:50:47 - [62] - Quote ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online. the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 674	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:08:14 - [63] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online. the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them. Pretty much this If you know your target there are certain players you would watch out for/keep an eye on. If you didn't do this then you could be in for a nasty surprise when you lest expected it. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3659	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:16:53 - [64] - Quote ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 144	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:27:21 - [65] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Pretty much this Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars. But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible. They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise. Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 384	Posted - 2016.03.09 22:18:22 - [66] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Pretty much this Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars. But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible. They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise. However, big alliances don't really care because, lets face it, most catches are made on trade hubs or pipe's gates. If you are an active hunter (as in: Specifically Hunt My Damn Contract Targets) you are kinda screwed. Sneaky bastard.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 175	Posted - 2016.03.09 23:23:20 - [67] - Quote Well my 1st night without my watch list , not to bad, i did miss not seeing the bumpers logging in and any FC log in . Luck would have it we have great intell in AG , just need to use it more now A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Lahnius 78	Posted - 2016.03.10 00:14:37 - [68] - Quote I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 388	Posted - 2016.03.10 02:09:10 - [69] - Quote I wonder if CCP is going to keep track of their Locator Agent's ISK sink dramatic usage drop? Sneaky bastard.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 13:22:36 - [70] - Quote Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.

Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 13:28:20 - [71] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3666	Posted - 2016.03.10 14:09:18 - [72] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Don't feed the troll. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Plook Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:18:16 - [73] - Quote Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1388	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:21:44 - [74] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec
Plook Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:27:37 - [75] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi.
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 678	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:30:03 - [76] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:33:30 - [77] - Quote Fybs wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. I own Super Mario Bros for NES. Does that count? Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1390	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:35:49 - [78] - Quote Plook wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi. I don't use logi's for 1v1's And as fybs said, some of us do own supers and caps.
jack1974 Reikoku Pandemic Legion 79	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:37:56 - [79] - Quote As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey.
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 678	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:51:53 - [80] - Quote jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 225	Posted - 2016.03.10 16:43:43 - [81] - Quote Fybs wrote: jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. For the case of fleet fights and against other mercs, I would agree. But from a business perspective CCP just took away my livelyhood. As a small(ish) highsec merc group that has specialized in hunting their contract target. Some of you will say "Good riddance" but do you really want yet another group in highsec blanket deccing everyone, just to be able to sit on gates and hubs and pick off people who does'nt know better then to stay away from hotspots? Thats the reality of it, we will adapt, dec more and become something we have worked very hard not to become. If we get another reasonable way to differentiate between logged off and online players we might be able to salvage the art of hunting the targets we are paid to kill. Most of Devils employers are/was looking for someone who would actually move out of the hotspots and kill them where they hide. We will still try our best to still be able to hunt our contract targets, but I fear this will burn out my guys rather fast. Empire is kinda big you now.. Oh.. and zues.. finding a Public-enemy pilot in the pipe is not hard
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:10:25 - [82] - Quote Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:35:30 - [83] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Irrelevance level: on par with Nitshe Are you a Nitshe alt? Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Hub Humping Degenerate Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:45:34 - [84] - Quote Shut up holy. You don't qualify for an opinion on this piece.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:50:41 - [85] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Post with your main or gtfo. Adapt or quit the game you dummy. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 390	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:51:03 - [86] - Quote Fybs wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. Vastly mistaken. jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Zeus, c'mon, how hard was it to find him, it's the Jita trade pipe for heaven's sake... Sneaky bastard.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7326	Posted - 2016.03.10 21:46:33 - [87] - Quote Lord Razpataz wrote: Fybs wrote: jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. For the case of fleet fights and against other mercs, I would agree. But from a business perspective CCP just took away my livelyhood. As a small(ish) highsec merc group that has specialized in hunting their contract target. Some of you will say "Good riddance" but do you really want yet another group in highsec blanket deccing everyone, just to be able to sit on gates and hubs and pick off people who does'nt know better then to stay away from hotspots? Thats the reality of it, we will adapt, dec more and become something we have worked very hard not to become. If we get another reasonable way to differentiate between logged off and online players we might be able to salvage the art of hunting the targets we are paid to kill. Most of Devils employers are/was looking for someone who would actually move out of the hotspots and kill them where they hide. We will still try our best to still be able to hunt our contract targets, but I fear this will burn out my guys rather fast. Empire is kinda big you now.. Oh.. and zues.. finding a Public-enemy pilot in the pipe is not hard It would have been at least a mild improvement to be able to watch a target you had killrights on. And transferable KR make that notion even more viable. (and just imagine the "Killright Fu" and the cost involved if everybody who had killrights on a player could watch them) Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 181	Posted - 2016.03.11 00:03:13 - [88] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. What a asshat and sorry who are you again A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 851	Posted - 2016.03.12 10:34:09 - [89] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting I'm getting thirsty. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.


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