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Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 663	Posted - 2016.03.07 11:00:44 - [1] - Quote So tomorrow brings new changes to the watchlist. now being called the buddy list with mutual consent needed to see if the other player is online or not. What are the opinions of these changes with my fellow C&P dwellers? Personally I think the changes will be interesting. not knowing the exact about of enemy players from one Corp/alliance that are currently online plus not being able to spot that log off trap stands out for myself. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Smitty Uitra Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14	Posted - 2016.03.07 11:21:24 - [2] - Quote I just posted on the thread in general discussion. It kind of kills the hunting aspect of the game and pushed mercs to be more like ...fill in the blank... And sit in Jita and Amarr all day or just camp the pipes. Not real happy about it but I guess we will see.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 548	Posted - 2016.03.07 11:51:37 - [3] - Quote I hope we'll see a huge increase in capital &, especially, super-cap engagements with this change. not being able to see that your enemy has logged in their supers means when they land, you're surprised and need to start calling in your own (or run like the wind). I think this is a great change for the better all round. Sure, there'll be some whining and complaining by those who utilised the watchlist heavily. But, given some time, they'll find workarounds (SPAIS!). Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Valkin Mordirc 1929	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:20:58 - [4] - Quote For a hunter who uses the watchlist as a means of finding people and locating them, I find the change to be destructive to a point that I'm actually giving up that style of play. I've been pretty vocal about it in the GD threads. But it seems CCP rather commit a broad stroke to fix some the Nullbloc are whining about, rather than making an intelligent thought out nerf. Which to be fair isn't really their style. I am pretty upset about it, personally. There are some ways to uses the watchlist nerf to your advantage for wardecs, but largely it involves using it against Large merc corps. Which although would be fun. It completely annihilates all other aspects of the game style. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2005	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:26:18 - [5] - Quote First I was like, then I was like, but then we had a sit down with a nice cup of tea and talked it through, and we're all like. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1368	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:36:18 - [6] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: For a hunter who uses the watchlist as a means of finding people and locating them, I find the change to be destructive to a point that I'm actually giving up that style of play. I've been pretty vocal about it in the GD threads. But it seems CCP rather commit a broad stroke to fix some the Nullbloc are whining about, rather than making an intelligent thought out nerf. Which to be fair it's really their style. I am pretty upset about it, personally. There are some ways to uses the watchlist nerf to your advantage for wardecs, but largely it involves using it against Large merc corps. Which although would be fun. It completely annihilates all other aspects of the game style. This I can agree with, if your your in null or low, and wormhole this won't effect you much, but being a highsec merc this effects us a ton, now we can no longer find those targets who people specifically ask us to kill, agents become completely useless and it's back to a guessing game. Thanks for ****ing us, where's the steak dinner.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 169	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:37:58 - [7] - Quote Mortlake wrote: First I was like, then I was like, but then we had a sit down with a nice cup of tea and talked it through, and we're all like. Tea is indeed the answer, I'm sure code will give me mutual consent, lets all give it, why on the subject of change I say keep faction police, if you don't want them to shoot you don't be - 10, run missions or pay the isk A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Chandelin Jovian Vengeance 41	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:38:33 - [8] - Quote I kinda like the idea Only pot luck way around this I can think of now is perma alt flying around space and 2 others sitting in lvl4 agent station spamming locates.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14569	Posted - 2016.03.07 12:44:53 - [9] - Quote Mortlake wrote: First I was like, then I was like, but then we had a sit down with a nice cup of tea and talked it through, and we're all like. agreed, the longer i think about it the more im like Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1679	Posted - 2016.03.07 13:04:09 - [10] - Quote Since I didn't use it much anyway (a lot of wartargets stay logged on all the time......just to fish the watchlist....), I am very gleeful that now wartargets won't be aware of when I am online..... And that should make them...very nervous...;) Also, this opens up new careers in hisec....Professional Scout. Think about it.......for a reasonable fee I, Sam Spade, will fly down those mean stargates and find the scumbag you are looking for. Also also, gives the newbros something to do. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
gnshadowninja Back Passage Explorer's Vendetta Mercenary Group 233	Posted - 2016.03.07 13:24:17 - [11] - Quote As a high sec merc who enjoys gathering intel on targets then watchlisting them to locate when online im beyond pissed off with the introduction of this mechanic. With the amount of inactive characters and alts it would take a silly amount of man hours to locate a 200 man corp, send alts to the systems to see if they even online while during the mean time they could of moved and anyone who knows high sec wars knows targets hide in the most remote locations in high sec. I know alot of mercenary groups including marmite have become hunters nowadays and this has just killed it.
gnshadowninja Back Passage Explorer's Vendetta Mercenary Group 233	Posted - 2016.03.07 13:24:42 - [12] - Quote Yay for internet connection losses and double post.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 555	Posted - 2016.03.07 13:55:32 - [13] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: being a highsec merc grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Valkin Mordirc 1933	Posted - 2016.03.07 14:28:44 - [14] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: being a highsec merc grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. Hey I like you, You a cool dude. But don't tell me you're one those "The one true PVP is out Nullsec" Kinda dudes. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Sol epoch Addicted To Chaos Archetype. 246	Posted - 2016.03.07 14:50:26 - [15] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: being a highsec merc grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. Why would he want to become a carebear or cannon fodder? (Sheep spring to mind) You should heed your own words and post on a real char!
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1369	Posted - 2016.03.07 14:57:11 - [16] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: being a highsec merc grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. Get on your knees and show me love, I play the game how I want to.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3624	Posted - 2016.03.07 15:12:15 - [17] - Quote What this means for me: Spies. Spies everywhere. Never not have a spy in the target. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3624	Posted - 2016.03.07 15:13:55 - [18] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. I have a recurring dream that some day people like you will realize that most of the highsec mercs have backgrounds that don't involve highsec. Until then, enjoy your delusions. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 125	Posted - 2016.03.07 15:23:40 - [19] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: being a highsec merc grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. Post on your main or gtfo Ty C&P Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 125	Posted - 2016.03.07 15:30:22 - [20] - Quote I'm kinda pissed to know that if I go back to a small merc corp (where there are only 3-4 active hunters), I'll have to spend more time looking for the guy (if he's online or not). Sure the target doesn't know if you're online either, but most carebears don't know about the watchlist in the first place. Sure it helps for the LS/NS titan pilots, but it leaves smaller mercs in the dust Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7317	Posted - 2016.03.07 17:07:36 - [21] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: grow a pair and discover the wonders of leaving HiSec behind. I have a recurring dream that some day people like you will realize that most of the highsec mercs have backgrounds that don't involve highsec. Until then, enjoy your delusions. Heck even the so-called carebears in highsec have null backgrounds. Much has been done to drive people out of null, but for a while now people are just laying up waiting for the changes to be emplaces (supers, citadels, etc. ) Bring back DEEEEP Space!
tiberiusric Comply Or Die Stella Nova 221	Posted - 2016.03.07 17:14:30 - [22] - Quote we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 664	Posted - 2016.03.07 17:51:35 - [23] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already is there a thread here in C&P about this already? Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Smitty Uitra Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 20	Posted - 2016.03.07 17:58:50 - [24] - Quote Fybs wrote: tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already is there a thread here in C&P about this already? There was one but it was started before they formally announced it in a dev blog
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14575	Posted - 2016.03.07 18:05:03 - [25] - Quote Smitty Uitra wrote: Fybs wrote: tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already is there a thread here in C&P about this already? There was one but it was started before they formally announced it in a dev blog they still haven't announced it in a dev blog, this one went by word of mouth from player gatherings until it showed up in the patch notes. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 210	Posted - 2016.03.07 18:33:21 - [26] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. I'm not sure when you started playing but looking at old vids from WAY back.. they still had the watchlist. (you can see online notifications pop up) If their gonna stick to the buddylist, atleast change the locator mechanic to something useful. As of tomorrow its almost as pointless as putting bounty on someone.
Smitty Uitra Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 20	Posted - 2016.03.07 19:22:50 - [27] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Smitty Uitra wrote: Fybs wrote: tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already is there a thread here in C&P about this already? There was one but it was started before they formally announced it in a dev blog they still haven't announced it in a dev blog, this one went by word of mouth from player gatherings until it showed up in the patch notes. Sorry, it's was announced in the Patchnotes: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-march-2016-release
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 127	Posted - 2016.03.07 20:06:16 - [28] - Quote Smitty Uitra wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Smitty Uitra wrote: Fybs wrote: tiberiusric wrote: we survived quite well before having this. ps dont we have like 100 threads on this open already is there a thread here in C&P about this already? There was one but it was started before they formally announced it in a dev blog they still haven't announced it in a dev blog, this one went by word of mouth from player gatherings until it showed up in the patch notes. Sorry, it's was announced in the Patchnotes: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-march-2016-release It wasn't in a dev blog though Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1371	Posted - 2016.03.07 20:13:27 - [29] - Quote We should rally and blow up another statue in protest or something...
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 845	Posted - 2016.03.07 20:30:01 - [30] - Quote More stupid ideas from the great CCraP. Who comes up with this nonsense? I don't know the details as I'm not playing eve as much, but it sounds like some schmercs are gonna have trouble. Absolutely tantalizing and most hilarious. All "mercs" will be consigned to hub hugging and camping pipes. Wait....nothing has changed. Rofl. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1016	Posted - 2016.03.07 20:42:44 - [31] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: More stupid ideas from the great CCraP. Who comes up with this nonsense? I don't know the details as I'm not playing eve as much, but it sounds like some schmercs are gonna have trouble. Absolutely tantalizing and most hilarious. All "mercs" will be consigned to hub hugging and camping pipes. Wait....nothing has changed. Rofl. Use a locator agent, get an eve mail on where a target is. Use an alt scout to go to the location, see if target is in local. Run locator again if the target isn't in local. If they are listed as in system, you know they are offline. It really isn't much different than if you knew your target but not their location. The only unknown I can think of is what happens to our current list. Will we be spammed with notifications of people who already had us watch listed or will it just be cleared With us starting anew.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 845	Posted - 2016.03.07 22:40:44 - [32] - Quote Never needed a watch list. But I expect a raging torrent of "merc" tears. Carry on. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 129	Posted - 2016.03.07 23:17:14 - [33] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Never needed a watch list. But I expect a raging torrent of "merc" tears. Carry on. Oh look You're being as irrelevant as Anya and Nitshe Gg Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 845	Posted - 2016.03.07 23:41:05 - [34] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Oh look You're being as irrelevant as Anya and Nitshe Gg Here's a tissue. I got plenty. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1371	Posted - 2016.03.07 23:44:40 - [35] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Never needed a watch list. But I expect a raging torrent of "merc" tears. Carry on. Oh look You're being as irrelevant as Anya and Nitshe Gg Here's a tissue. I got plenty. Can't wait to see how much you cry if they ever take sensor boosters away. What will you fit in 3 slots?
Johnny Punisher Paisti Paisti Syndicate 10	Posted - 2016.03.07 23:53:47 - [36] - Quote Just adjust your playstyle like the rest of us will. There are some benefits to removing watchlists, use those to your advantage.
JacenSolo Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.03.08 01:50:46 - [37] - Quote Forgive my ignorance on this matter but its been a number of years since Ive been around and i dont remember how things work. Doesnt this affect your "agents" that you use as well? I mean used to we could use a locator. Is this still in use and are they able to tell you if they are on or only their last known position
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2781	Posted - 2016.03.08 01:54:53 - [38] - Quote Have some mixed feelings about this. It does kind of annoy that the tool that helps to narrow down my list of potential targets to those that are actually online is going away. On the other hand the same tool was super handy for targets to know when the scary people hunting them were online as well. I foresee a new era of neutral scout alts swarming the skies of high sec in search of reds. Well, that and more of the usual from those who predate specific areas for reasons. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Wanda Fayne 145	Posted - 2016.03.08 02:39:48 - [39] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Have some mixed feelings about this. It does kind of annoy that the tool that helps to narrow down my list of potential targets to those that are actually online is going away. On the other hand the same tool was super handy for targets to know when the scary people hunting them were online as well. Now if they want to see if the scary people are online, then they have to reveal that they too are online. This tickles my Lovecraft sense, 'Recognition' is mutual... sometimes it's better to never see that thing that can now see you. I foresee a new era of neutral scout alts swarming the skies of high sec in search of reds. Well, that and more of the usual from those who predate specific areas for reasons. It's like the difference between how dogs and cats hide. A dog hides it's head behind the tree, and thinks it's hidden because it can't see you. A cat hides it's body, and peeks around the tree to see if you are still looking at it.
Dymorian Deile Mercenary Forces. Complaints Department 72	Posted - 2016.03.08 12:44:07 - [40] - Quote I've got mixed thoughts on this. On one hand from a lore perspective you shouldn't know when a character is "online" but this change definitely hurts those of us who want to hunt down certain targets. The high sec merc thing in general needs a good review and making locator agents useful and immersive would be a good change. I'd like the ability to pay for some sort of corporation wide search that gives you a report on last known locations etc.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 846	Posted - 2016.03.08 12:50:37 - [41] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Never needed a watch list. But I expect a raging torrent of "merc" tears. Carry on. Oh look You're being as irrelevant as Anya and Nitshe Gg Here's a tissue. I got plenty. Can't wait to see how much you cry if they ever take sensor boosters away. What will you fit in 3 slots? Uh...your mom? Seriously though, many "merc" groups adopted my doctrine of high scan resolution. I get the ship, and then the pod. Anything less is failure imo. I'm just looking for some appreciation from the noobs I ascended to new heights through my tutelage. My kill record will make me impervious to irrelevance. Veiled jealousy is a constant theme I have to deal with, it entertains me. What I'm doing is something challenging. I am destroying ships of a higher class size and then I take their pod. Anya and nitsche are human failscades and couldn't pvp their way out of wet tissue paper. Truth hurts, I know. Emperor of Amarr King of Jita Scourge of the spaceplanes -Holeysheet1 Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 171	Posted - 2016.03.08 15:35:47 - [42] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: More stupid ideas from the great CCraP. Who comes up with this nonsense? I don't know the details as I'm not playing eve as much, but it sounds like some schmercs are gonna have trouble. Absolutely tantalizing and most hilarious. All "mercs" will be consigned to hub hugging and camping pipes. Wait....nothing has changed. Rofl. Use a locator agent, get an eve mail on where a target is. Use an alt scout to go to the location, see if target is in local. Run locator again if the target isn't in local. If they are listed as in system, you know they are offline. It really isn't much different than if you knew your target but not their location. The only unknown I can think of is what happens to our current list. Will we be spammed with notifications of people who already had us watch listed or will it just be cleared With us starting anew. You are so right , but the word lazy comes to mind , why would they Hub hug in the 1st place. I still think its a crime of some of them to be called Mercs A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Xorphix Addicted To Chaos Archetype. 177	Posted - 2016.03.08 15:54:01 - [43] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Seriously though, many "merc" groups adopted my doctrine of high scan resolution. I get the ship, and then the pod. Now you're just baiting for somebody to start on you. Naughty naughty.
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 211	Posted - 2016.03.08 16:21:42 - [44] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Use a locator agent, get an eve mail on where a target is. Use an alt scout to go to the location, see if target is in local. Run locator again if the target isn't in local. If they are listed as in system, you know they are offline. It really isn't much different than if you knew your target but not their location. The only unknown I can think of is what happens to our current list. Will we be spammed with notifications of people who already had us watch listed or will it just be cleared With us starting anew. You are so right , but the word lazy comes to mind , why would they Hub hug in the 1st place. I still think its a crime of some of them to be called Mercs You have to think bigger.. Lets say as a merc you get a contract against an alliance with 100-200 members spread around in empire. From experience I would say maybe 10% of those members are active during a wardec. To find those guys online using the proposed method from Lady Ayeipsia would be a HUGE task. And ineffective.. A lvl4 locates gives you location of the target when you ran the locate agent You get the answer back 10 min later, so if he was moving he is long gone by the time you get there. Then theres the agent cooldown before you can run another locate. (another 20min on top) Ofc you have multiple agents.. But you also have to move from agent to agent, this takes time. Oh.. and dont forget the cost.. 250k every locate you run. Basicly you will have more chance of finding an online target sitting in a hub or pipe waiting for him to pass you. Its not about beeing lazy (well for some it is) but more using the time more efficient. Both for us and our employers.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 846	Posted - 2016.03.08 16:38:39 - [45] - Quote Xorphix wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Seriously though, many "merc" groups adopted my doctrine of high scan resolution. I get the ship, and then the pod. Now you're just baiting for somebody to start on you. Naughty naughty. Do it to it. YEEHAW Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 132	Posted - 2016.03.08 16:54:16 - [46] - Quote Lord Razpataz wrote: Ozzie Udan wrote: Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Use a locator agent, get an eve mail on where a target is. Use an alt scout to go to the location, see if target is in local. Run locator again if the target isn't in local. If they are listed as in system, you know they are offline. It really isn't much different than if you knew your target but not their location. The only unknown I can think of is what happens to our current list. Will we be spammed with notifications of people who already had us watch listed or will it just be cleared With us starting anew. You are so right , but the word lazy comes to mind , why would they Hub hug in the 1st place. I still think its a crime of some of them to be called Mercs You have to think bigger.. Lets say as a merc you get a contract against an alliance with 100-200 members spread around in empire. From experience I would say maybe 10% of those members are active during a wardec. To find those guys online using the proposed method from Lady Ayeipsia would be a HUGE task. And ineffective.. A lvl4 locates gives you location of the target when you ran the locate agent You get the answer back 10 min later, so if he was moving he is long gone by the time you get there. Then theres the agent cooldown before you can run another locate. (another 20min on top) Ofc you have multiple agents.. But you also have to move from agent to agent, this takes time. Oh.. and dont forget the cost.. 250k every locate you run. Basicly you will have more chance of finding an online target sitting in a hub or pipe waiting for him to pass you. Its not about beeing lazy (well for some it is) but more using the time more efficient. Both for us and our employers. I totally agree. When I was in Black Hydra we used to do two things: 1-run locates and try to snatched targets, and when we were done doing that (with or without a kill), 2-we'd go back to Uedama to catch people on gates, and killing easily 3-4 times more.. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait than to go out and hunt But Ozzie wouldn't know, he never merc'd Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14612	Posted - 2016.03.08 17:25:50 - [47] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Lord Razpataz wrote: Ozzie Udan wrote: Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Use a locator agent, get an eve mail on where a target is. Use an alt scout to go to the location, see if target is in local. Run locator again if the target isn't in local. If they are listed as in system, you know they are offline. It really isn't much different than if you knew your target but not their location. The only unknown I can think of is what happens to our current list. Will we be spammed with notifications of people who already had us watch listed or will it just be cleared With us starting anew. You are so right , but the word lazy comes to mind , why would they Hub hug in the 1st place. I still think its a crime of some of them to be called Mercs You have to think bigger.. Lets say as a merc you get a contract against an alliance with 100-200 members spread around in empire. From experience I would say maybe 10% of those members are active during a wardec. To find those guys online using the proposed method from Lady Ayeipsia would be a HUGE task. And ineffective.. A lvl4 locates gives you location of the target when you ran the locate agent You get the answer back 10 min later, so if he was moving he is long gone by the time you get there. Then theres the agent cooldown before you can run another locate. (another 20min on top) Ofc you have multiple agents.. But you also have to move from agent to agent, this takes time. Oh.. and dont forget the cost.. 250k every locate you run. Basicly you will have more chance of finding an online target sitting in a hub or pipe waiting for him to pass you. Its not about beeing lazy (well for some it is) but more using the time more efficient. Both for us and our employers. I totally agree. When I was in Black Hydra we used to do two things: 1-run locates and try to snatched targets, and when we were done doing that (with or without a kill), 2-we'd go back to Uedama to catch people on gates, and killing easily 3-4 times more.. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait than to go out and hunt But Ozzie wouldn't know, he never merc'd Well yeah, that would have been more efficient use of time for black hydra, the point here though is , now it's going to require a non-reasonable amount of effort to do anything other than go for the low hanging fruit. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 172	Posted - 2016.03.08 17:32:47 - [48] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Lord Razpataz wrote: [quote=Ozzie Udan][quote=Lady Ayeipsia] I totally agree. When I was in Black Hydra we used to do two things: 1-run locates and try to snatched targets, and when we were done doing that (with or without a kill), 2-we'd go back to Uedama to catch people on gates, and killing easily 3-4 times more.. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait than to go out and hunt But Ozzie wouldn't know, he never merc'd How wrong you are but oh i do forget your very new , or is your corp History wrong , can't see it very well using my phone A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 133	Posted - 2016.03.08 17:50:28 - [49] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Lord Razpataz wrote: [quote=Ozzie Udan][quote=Lady Ayeipsia] I totally agree. When I was in Black Hydra we used to do two things: 1-run locates and try to snatched targets, and when we were done doing that (with or without a kill), 2-we'd go back to Uedama to catch people on gates, and killing easily 3-4 times more.. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait than to go out and hunt But Ozzie wouldn't know, he never merc'd How wrong you are but oh i do forget your very new , or is your corp History wrong , can't see it very well using my phone Lol very new Lol please Although you probably spent more time in an npc corp than I spent time in any player corp lmao Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3634	Posted - 2016.03.08 18:54:01 - [50] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Never needed a watch list. All you had to do was watch the undock grid. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14614	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:24:59 - [51] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Never needed a watch list. All you had to do was watch the undock grid. To be fair to him , he does also have to keep an eye on the aggression timer. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Droidster Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 236	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:28:12 - [52] - Quote 1. Go to location agent 2. Order agent to find guy 3. Agent says that "scumbag" is in Hatakani system blah blah blah 4. Go to system 5. He is not there because he is logged off
Johnny Punisher Paisti Paisti Syndicate 10	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:30:18 - [53] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Emperor of Amarr King of Jita Scourge of the spaceplanes -Holeysheet1 Haha are you some highsec baddie? :D
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 133	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:35:32 - [54] - Quote Droidster wrote: 1. Go to location agent 2. Order agent to find guy 3. Agent says that "scumbag" is in Hatakani system blah blah blah 4. Go to system 5. He is not there because he is logged off Or he was moving Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 133	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:36:32 - [55] - Quote Johnny Punisher wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Emperor of Amarr King of Jita Scourge of the spaceplanes -Holeysheet1 Haha are you some highsec baddie? :D Nah just some publord with a big ego Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3269	Posted - 2016.03.09 08:19:31 - [56] - Quote Droidster wrote: 1. Go to location agent 2. Order agent to find guy 3. Agent says that "scumbag" is in Hatakani system blah blah blah 4. Go to system 5. He is not there because he is logged off Or jumped in the system next door. Try doing that with a 100 men target. The removal of watch lists will **** up mercs who hunt, will let the total number of wars increase and will have the targets dock all week, as they cant see when the evil mercs are online. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 666	Posted - 2016.03.09 09:00:04 - [57] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Droidster wrote: 1. Go to location agent 2. Order agent to find guy 3. Agent says that "scumbag" is in Hatakani system blah blah blah 4. Go to system 5. He is not there because he is logged off Or jumped in the system next door. Try doing that with a 100 men target. The removal of watch lists will **** up mercs who hunt, will let the total number of wars increase and will have the targets dock all week, as they cant see when the evil mercs are online. I think it may make eve more dangerous. it will definitely make wars between mercs in HS more interesting. and ofcourse not knowing when enemy supers are logging in will hopefully Spring a few surprises in itself. we will all have to adapt or die Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2024	Posted - 2016.03.09 09:56:00 - [58] - Quote None of this matters. I'm already in your mining fleet calling targets. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 563	Posted - 2016.03.09 12:44:51 - [59] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Hey I like you, You a cool dude. But don't tell me you're one those "The one true PVP is out Nullsec" Kinda dudes. Nope, I PvP mostly in Lowsec. Dom Arkaral wrote: Post on your main or gtfo Ty C&P This is my Forum Main, details of my Combat Alt are in my sig. see also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=467323&find=unread Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2789	Posted - 2016.03.09 14:35:53 - [60] - Quote Mortlake wrote: None of this matters. I'm already in your mining fleet calling targets. Well, I know the Rattlesnake we caught this morning sure as hell didn't see us coming. In the bushes. With an erection. You don't see it coming. But I do... Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
ISD Chanisa Nemes ISD Community Communications Liaisons 9	Posted - 2016.03.09 19:50:37 - [61] - Quote I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) ISD Chanisa Nemes Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14640	Posted - 2016.03.09 20:50:47 - [62] - Quote ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online. the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 674	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:08:14 - [63] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online. the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them. Pretty much this If you know your target there are certain players you would watch out for/keep an eye on. If you didn't do this then you could be in for a nasty surprise when you lest expected it. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3659	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:16:53 - [64] - Quote ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 144	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:27:21 - [65] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Pretty much this Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars. But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible. They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise. Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 384	Posted - 2016.03.09 22:18:22 - [66] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote: I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;) There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations. As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys". Pretty much this Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars. But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible. They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise. However, big alliances don't really care because, lets face it, most catches are made on trade hubs or pipe's gates. If you are an active hunter (as in: Specifically Hunt My Damn Contract Targets) you are kinda screwed. Sneaky bastard.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 175	Posted - 2016.03.09 23:23:20 - [67] - Quote Well my 1st night without my watch list , not to bad, i did miss not seeing the bumpers logging in and any FC log in . Luck would have it we have great intell in AG , just need to use it more now A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Lahnius 78	Posted - 2016.03.10 00:14:37 - [68] - Quote I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 388	Posted - 2016.03.10 02:09:10 - [69] - Quote I wonder if CCP is going to keep track of their Locator Agent's ISK sink dramatic usage drop? Sneaky bastard.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 13:22:36 - [70] - Quote Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 13:28:20 - [71] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3666	Posted - 2016.03.10 14:09:18 - [72] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: HoleySheet1 wrote: Lahnius wrote: I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound. Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game. ... as much as I was like, I am now like ... Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!! I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs. Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Don't feed the troll. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Plook Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:18:16 - [73] - Quote Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1388	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:21:44 - [74] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec
Plook Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:27:37 - [75] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi.
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 678	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:30:03 - [76] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:33:30 - [77] - Quote Fybs wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. I own Super Mario Bros for NES. Does that count? Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow Archetype. 1390	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:35:49 - [78] - Quote Plook wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. Think someone is earning a perma-dec Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi. I don't use logi's for 1v1's And as fybs said, some of us do own supers and caps.
jack1974 Reikoku Pandemic Legion 79	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:37:56 - [79] - Quote As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey.
Fybs Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Devil's Warrior Alliance 678	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:51:53 - [80] - Quote jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. Don't confuse kindness with weakness. Beware the hand of Fybs. Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 225	Posted - 2016.03.10 16:43:43 - [81] - Quote Fybs wrote: jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. For the case of fleet fights and against other mercs, I would agree. But from a business perspective CCP just took away my livelyhood. As a small(ish) highsec merc group that has specialized in hunting their contract target. Some of you will say "Good riddance" but do you really want yet another group in highsec blanket deccing everyone, just to be able to sit on gates and hubs and pick off people who does'nt know better then to stay away from hotspots? Thats the reality of it, we will adapt, dec more and become something we have worked very hard not to become. If we get another reasonable way to differentiate between logged off and online players we might be able to salvage the art of hunting the targets we are paid to kill. Most of Devils employers are/was looking for someone who would actually move out of the hotspots and kill them where they hide. We will still try our best to still be able to hunt our contract targets, but I fear this will burn out my guys rather fast. Empire is kinda big you now.. Oh.. and zues.. finding a Public-enemy pilot in the pipe is not hard
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:10:25 - [82] - Quote Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 147	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:35:30 - [83] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Irrelevance level: on par with Nitshe Are you a Nitshe alt? Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
Hub Humping Degenerate Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:45:34 - [84] - Quote Shut up holy. You don't qualify for an opinion on this piece.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 849	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:50:41 - [85] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting Post with your main or gtfo. Adapt or quit the game you dummy. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 390	Posted - 2016.03.10 18:51:03 - [86] - Quote Fybs wrote: Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken..... Personally I don't mind the changes. P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken. Vastly mistaken. jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Zeus, c'mon, how hard was it to find him, it's the Jita trade pipe for heaven's sake... Sneaky bastard.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7326	Posted - 2016.03.10 21:46:33 - [87] - Quote Lord Razpataz wrote: Fybs wrote: jack1974 wrote: As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk. True hunters always catch their Prey. Well said zues Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers. For the case of fleet fights and against other mercs, I would agree. But from a business perspective CCP just took away my livelyhood. As a small(ish) highsec merc group that has specialized in hunting their contract target. Some of you will say "Good riddance" but do you really want yet another group in highsec blanket deccing everyone, just to be able to sit on gates and hubs and pick off people who does'nt know better then to stay away from hotspots? Thats the reality of it, we will adapt, dec more and become something we have worked very hard not to become. If we get another reasonable way to differentiate between logged off and online players we might be able to salvage the art of hunting the targets we are paid to kill. Most of Devils employers are/was looking for someone who would actually move out of the hotspots and kill them where they hide. We will still try our best to still be able to hunt our contract targets, but I fear this will burn out my guys rather fast. Empire is kinda big you now.. Oh.. and zues.. finding a Public-enemy pilot in the pipe is not hard It would have been at least a mild improvement to be able to watch a target you had killrights on. And transferable KR make that notion even more viable. (and just imagine the "Killright Fu" and the cost involved if everybody who had killrights on a player could watch them) Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 181	Posted - 2016.03.11 00:03:13 - [88] - Quote Plook wrote: Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented? You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives. What a asshat and sorry who are you again A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
HoleySheet1 Renegade Armada. 851	Posted - 2016.03.12 10:34:09 - [89] - Quote HoleySheet1 wrote: Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink (it's all tears) Adapt or be deleted. Happy hunting I'm getting thirsty. Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better. Offering some used toilet paper for bumblefck's corpse.

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