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Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.09 12:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Nyxsion knowing full well that I probably have estimated 15 days to wait to fly the thing, something in game balance is wrong. A) Do something fun while waiting for a skill to finish. B) 15 days for a mammoth? o.0
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.09 12:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Shevaresh Another *****pot theory of mine is that you are learning the skills through direct connection to the brain; in order to keep your brain from getting fried (see the NPC's on pirate ships) they need to use a relatively slow upload speed... Actually, that's what the tutorial says. Skills are directly uploaded to your brain, and the speed with which this process can happen is directly dependant on your attributes (i.e. how easy you adapt to new knowledge in certain areas). That said, I think EVE's skill system is just brilliant! No powergaming, and the best ever long term motivation! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Natalia Fachiri	Posted - 2007.02.09 14:02:00 - [63] Get a hoarder and not a mammoth. Its minmatar industrial 2 instead of 4 and you should have been able to train this skill in a matter of hours. Yes you will haul a little less, but its still much much much more then a frigate could. There are 3 industrial ships and you shot for the 3rd, hardest to get, one. Go for the middle one instead and buy it (you seem to have the money) and use it while your industrial skill trains higher.
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.09 14:08:00 - [64] I understand where the OP is coming from, but it is just how this game is designed. I restarted this character about 3 weeks ago after about five weeks of playing on my first character. I have yet to actually play this character and probably won't for another month or so until I can fly a Hurricane again with a decent tank and decent gun skills. I guess I rather be actually playing the game, but really absolutely no reason to as I transferred 500 million to my new guy when I made him and I have no need for reptutation or standing as I will be heading straight out to 0.0 once I am a somewhat capable Hurricane pilot again. Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.09 14:19:00 - [65] Dude doesn't get any easier, further on. I've just put my training list together for a Carrier. I have to train a rank 5 skill to level 5 just to train another skill. The skill doesn't even do anything. It's the way EVE is, think ahead and plan your skills and things will get better down the road. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Auren I'del Minmatar Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.09 15:34:00 - [66] If the skill system is changed I would cancelling my account as fast as I could press the buttons. As said earlier this is the game where you dont fall behind in SP if you dont have time to play as much as the hardcore players. I dont have time to play every day. work, family and other comittments takes a lot of time, and because of that it is good to sit down a few times during a week and play with the other guys....without loosing a single SP! This is one of the main reason many adult people play this game. If the skillsystem is changed we would have fallen behind bigtime! Although your questions are reasonable and honest they have been answered. CCP has changed pretty much everything in this game the last two years, but I doubt they ever gonna mess with the skilltraining system. They would loose a lot more players then they would get.
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.09 15:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Nyxsion But Day 2 and currently on 1h 50 minutes training rank 1 industrials and ship ready and waiting in hanger (having all other Req's), knowing full well that I probably have estimated 15 days to wait to fly the thing, something in game balance is wrong. There's nothing wrong with the balance. You bought a ship that took a longer time to train for. You should have just bought a Wreathe and voila, you'd probably be in it after 30minutes or so worth of training. The Mammoth is the best Minmatar T1 industrial. Why should you be able to climb into that immediately? Secondly, the other aspect is having the money, but not the skill. So are you complaining that ships are TOO cheap? Ships are relatively cheap for a reason. Anytime you're in space, which happens to be the ONLY time ships are actually useful, you can be attacked. Being attacked means you either fight back, run, or get destroyed. Newsflash: Ships get destroyed in this game! I just had my T1 indy blown up last night trying to run thru a gate. It was worth roughly 2 million ISK (very cheap actually, which was why I took the risk). If T1 ships were hard to obtain, this game would become a ridiculously hard ISK grind. It's not right now, for those of us satisfied with flying T1 ships. Let's leave T1 ships that way, mkay? If you want "hard to obtain" ships, try shopping for T2 ships. Have fun with that. Those ships are for the folks who have the time to grind ISK. Prediction: If you manage to stay in this game for 8 months, you will end up complaining about the outrageous price of T2 ships/mods, and how you have the skill but not the ISK to fly them. Whiners never stop whining, they just find different things to whine about.
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.09 15:42:00 - [68] People use this excuse all the time and it's baloney. Use a hoarder till you can fly the mammoth.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.09 15:52:00 - [69] The EvE skill system is pure and simple genius. It will take a while for you (or a lot of other people) to figure it out but it is. It dawned on me when i trained up Minmatar Cruiser 5 for HACs. I checked other T2 ships of similiar and nearby categories and what i saw was awesome. You start training for T2 cruisers and suddenly they're all so close! It sucks you in, you want to train for everything! And then if you're bored of that race you just train, for example, Amarr frigate or cruiser 5 and you can fly all of THEIR T2 cruisers and frigs. It's sheer brilliance! Even the Sleipnir doesn't seem so far once you train for HACs. Of course it all takes time, and lots of it, but eventually you grow to love it and see how perfect it is. I tried to play a MMO with levelling after eve and i just can't do it. P.S. Perhaps the genius of the skill tree of eve is due to careful planning. Or pure luck drunk people are so known for. Decide yourselves. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Asinia Au Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Isyel ... Of course it all takes time, and lots of it, but eventually you grow to love it and see how perfect it is. I tried to play a MMO with levelling after eve and i just can't do it. ... QFE! I agree, EVE has spolied me too. I just can't play a grind game anymore!
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:10:00 - [71] I have read all the OP's posts, and to be honest, all I see his argument boiling down to is 'I have the ISK to do such and such, why cant I do it without having to train the skills?' That argument is bull. The items in this game are not the same as in other games. In other mmo's your characters ability to act on his environment is greatly determined by the trained skills that the player has learned by 'leveling up'. In EVE, you are a clone in a pod, the 'gear' you buy determines what means you have to act on your environment. You know, after a little bit of reflection, it is almost as if the OP is mad because he cant twink out his character. There is no twinking in EVE, this is a good thing. Amassing ISK just means you have the capital to keep yourself supplied in ships and modules. Another note here, somewhere in one of the posts, he says somethign about 75m and a hulk. a hulk at a bargain price would be around 450m, that is no small amount for the vast majority of the player base. A basic PvP BS is going to run 200-400m after ship cost and fittings. Again no small amount to the majority of players. One cannot comment on the balance of a game based on ones experience during the earliest moments of the game. -=^=-
Asinia Au Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Nyxsion ... But Day 2 and currently on 1h 50 minutes training rank 1 industrials and ship ready and waiting in hanger ... Wait a minute! Nearly 2 hours to train rank 1 industrial? It just occurred to me, part of your problem is lack of learning skills. Learning rank 1 industrial should take more like 40 minutes if I remember correctly, now close to 2 hours. Train your learning skills, everything else will go much faster after that!
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:20:00 - [73] Breaking news, 2 day old player doesn't like game, posts thread.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:20:00 - [74] Breaking news, 2 day old player doesn't like game, posts thread.
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Isyel The EvE skill system is pure and simple genius. It will take a while for you (or a lot of other people) to figure it out but it is. It dawned on me when i trained up Minmatar Cruiser 5 for HACs. I checked other T2 ships of similiar and nearby categories and what i saw was awesome. You start training for T2 cruisers and suddenly they're all so close! It sucks you in, you want to train for everything! And then if you're bored of that race you just train, for example, Amarr frigate or cruiser 5 and you can fly all of THEIR T2 cruisers and frigs. It's sheer brilliance! Even the Sleipnir doesn't seem so far once you train for HACs. Agree. Most of the skills you need to train to get to T2 ships, you WANT to train-- like Engineering, Mechanics, etc. The same thing also occurs with some ships in the T1 line as well. When the myrmidon came out, I wanted to climb into that sucker so bad. But I wasn't trained in Gallente ships at all. Roughly 4 days of training Gallente frig 4, and Gallente cruiser 3, and now I can climb into one. I already have BC4, so voila! Of course being Minmatar meant I already trained decent drone skills and armor tanking skills, and the myrmidon doesn't have hybrid bonuses, so I can fly that sucker with projectiles almost as well as a gallente pilot.
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.09 16:23:00 - [76] Originally by: Isyel The EvE skill system is pure and simple genius. It will take a while for you (or a lot of other people) to figure it out but it is. It dawned on me when i trained up Minmatar Cruiser 5 for HACs. I checked other T2 ships of similiar and nearby categories and what i saw was awesome. You start training for T2 cruisers and suddenly they're all so close! It sucks you in, you want to train for everything! And then if you're bored of that race you just train, for example, Amarr frigate or cruiser 5 and you can fly all of THEIR T2 cruisers and frigs. It's sheer brilliance! Even the Sleipnir doesn't seem so far once you train for HACs. Agree. Most of the skills you need to train to get to T2 ships, you WANT to train-- like Engineering, Mechanics, etc. The same thing also occurs with some ships in the T1 line as well. When the myrmidon came out, I wanted to climb into that sucker so bad. But I wasn't trained in Gallente ships at all. Roughly 4 days of training Gallente frig 4, and Gallente cruiser 3, and now I can climb into one. I already have BC4, so voila! Of course being Minmatar meant I already trained decent drone skills and armor tanking skills, and the myrmidon doesn't have hybrid bonuses, so I can fly that sucker with projectiles almost as well as a gallente pilot.
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.09 17:35:00 - [77] Originally by: Cipher7 People use this excuse all the time and it's baloney. Use a hoarder till you can fly the mammoth. On that basis the following is also baloney. Fly a frigate before a battleship. Fly a battleship before a Titan. Give up now it isn't going to change and you'll save yourself time you can spend playing an MMORPG you like. If at this low level you're frustrated it'll get much worse and it'll you even more unhappy. Play games for fun not frustration and unhappiness. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.09 18:49:00 - [78] (I think I may be the first to get this one in !) Can I have your stuff?
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.09 19:18:00 - [79] While your skill is training, buy a lesser ship and earn money that way! __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.09 20:20:00 - [80] hey i hear if you fly out in to 0.0 space there is a secret skill book that will speed up your training time. So get a cheap ship and fly all the way out to 0.0 and look at the market. oh yes and please have a good day .
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.09 20:37:00 - [81] Don't know if anyone else has asked this, but why did you spend the best part of 1.5 mill isk on something you can't use? And how did you earn that much in 2 days????
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.02.09 20:42:00 - [82] In eve you grind for isk, not for skills.
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.09 20:43:00 - [83] Originally by: Nyxsion Edited by: Nyxsion on 08/02/2007 23:02:28 I dont want easy street, dont get me wrong. My issue is with you spend time making Isk, yet you can spend it instantly but you cannot use that item you've just brought? Where is the logic in that? Yes you can say well buy a ship at 75mil if you have the Isk but certainly it is my right to buy it and of course loose it just as fast due to inexperience. Maybe all Iam after is yes you can use it straight away, BUT train skills to become more effiecent at it would make more sense. I find it fustrating that I cannot explore other aspects of game example being salvaging without stoping to become effecient at one field of expertise. But atleast I would have option to see if I wanted to be better in a different field. Someone starts playing now. In a week or 2 he manages to hook up with a gallente starship research agent. He suddenly wins a hulk bpo in 3 weeks, sells it for 50+ billion isk. He buys a dreadnought with uber faction gear, and comes on the forums to whine that he can't even fly it yet. Not to insult or anything, but it does put things in perspective (i hope). EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!

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